Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

[QUOTE=DGreekStallion;313842271]I believe it is a T3 uncoupler similar to Mitotropin.[/QUOTE]
Sound about right.. But I am truly asking about this product. I am about to run a log with 2 bottles, and all I got back was...Quote:
[QUOTE=ws26champny;313168761]i would assume no one mentioned it because it's horrible[/QUOTE]

So... Seems as if nobody has anything to say about it?

I've actually heard great things about it...

[QUOTE=DGreekStallion;314106621]I've actually heard great things about it...[/QUOTE]
Sweet! Do tell

[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5075393&highlight=Dicana[/url]

Thank you, but that is the old version.. Its been posted in 2007

[QUOTE=StillWorkin;314120461]Thank you, but that is the old version.. Its been posted in 2007[/QUOTE]

I'd still read it, essential ingredients haven't been changed.

Back in the day I took Lipo 6 with great results.

how does Lipo 6X differ? is it more potent, or something completely different?

so im being lazy and dont want to search, i tried hydrxycut like 9 years ago and probably 5 years ago tried an extreme fat burner from muscle tech,

i have never been big on fat burners but i plauto and am going to start on one to shread up.

i heard mixed things about lipo 6 some say works great some say it contains gogloetrogens or something that can cause gual bladder stones. every one said to just stack an ECA that its much safer b/c doesnt have all the crap in it.... i saw an ad for VPX meltdown which says it gives better results then an EC...whats your thoughts on meltdown also i was reading on hear about the on that there is an AM pill and a PM pill to help you sleep, i am deff very sensitive to stims so would really only take before my morning cardio...any thoughts???

everyone says an ECA stack... but the E part is illegal isnt it?

Hey, first post here. Umm, I was wondering if CL REDuction is good if you just take AM and not PM or if you can buy a regular type because the PM is just to large for me to swallow and I don't want to buy and not be able to take it. And will just AM work. Thanks, hope for a reply.

Ephedrine is no longer a banned substance. look for Vasopro Ephedrine HCL by Mega-Pro.

[QUOTE=Tear;314418521]Hey, first post here. Umm, I was wondering if CL REDuction is good if you just take AM and not PM or if you can buy a regular type because the PM is just to large for me to swallow and I don't want to buy and not be able to take it. And will just AM work. Thanks, hope for a reply.[/QUOTE]

the am pills are the same size as the pm pills

[QUOTE=Johnsonsk;314458821]Ephedrine is no longer a banned substance. look for Vasopro Ephedrine HCL by Mega-Pro.[/QUOTE]


so would this be the best bet for a fat burner???

i checked out meltdown by vpx and some reviews said it sucked cause its just a stim and the side affects do not out weigh the results??

Clinicallix this one got great reviews but hella expensive 60$$

Noxycut this one got great reviews too only 30$

info from this site [url]http://www.weightlossresearch.net/vpx-meltdown.php?gclid=CN2xlsHF5pkCFSMgDQo***eNQw[/url]

I've tried many of the hottest fat burners out there, and Mitotropin by Gaspari Nutrition had the best results (more than Lipo 6x and Hydroxycut Hardcore). I was down to my last 10 pounds, and I tried so many differnt methods. My suggestion is to drink ALOT of water and mantain a Ketogenic diet. I didnt follow the guide book because Keto is so different from the guidelines. They didnt lie when they said I'd look different after just 1 box. I look better than EVER before. Woot! Now i'm wondering about cytolean V2...hm.....

[QUOTE=wytchdoctur;314637151]I've tried many of the hottest fat burners out there, and Mitotropin by Gaspari Nutrition had the best results (more than Lipo 6x and Hydroxycut Hardcore). I was down to my last 10 pounds, and I tried so many differnt methods. My suggestion is to drink ALOT of water and mantain a Ketogenic diet. I didnt follow the guide book because Keto is so different from the guidelines. They didnt lie when they said I'd look different after just 1 box. I look better than EVER before. Woot! Now i'm wondering about cytolean V2...hm.....[/QUOTE]
Your 17.. why are you taking all that stuff

[QUOTE=EatenByAlgae;310812471]I have been on the Reduction+LX stack

so far I have experienced great results... i was between 215-220... im now between 205-210

I started with an intense workout plan... but the last couple weeks... i havent worked out much...

its been all work and school, and i am still reaping these benefits.

Thought my diet is pretty strict. I eat high fiber oatmeal in the morning, grilled chicken w/ a banana a few hours later. a sandwhich with high fiber bread a few hours later... then grilled chicken with steamed veggies as my final meal.

and my job requires me to move around quite a bit.

PS. is fiber supposed to make you this gassy? i take in about 30+ grams a day.[/QUOTE]

What is LX?

[QUOTE=drp3;314645651]What is LX?[/QUOTE]

lean xtreme

[QUOTE=EatenByAlgae;314476741]the am pills are the same size as the pm pills[/QUOTE]

Well it says on this site that the Am's are 380 mg while the PM's are 925 or 1300 or am I looking at the wrong ones?

[QUOTE=EatenByAlgae;314719771]lean xtreme[/QUOTE]

Thanks a lot - I'll look it up. I appreciate the quick response as well.

[QUOTE=Tear;314768641]Well it says on this site that the Am's are 380 mg while the PM's are 925 or 1300 or am I looking at the wrong ones?[/QUOTE]


Not sure, probably what they contain but order a sample.

AM Pills Size = PM Pills Size

I've almost finished my first box of REDuction, and although I haven't kept a log (work, school, etc.) My progress pictures are representative of its effects. I think one more box will get me down to my goal.

REDuction gets my vote.

Have you guys tried VPX Liquid Clenbutrx??? Damn, this stuff is AWESOME. I tried it at that Arnold, last month. As soon as, it was out, i snagged me a bottle.

It tastes absolutly horrible though. But it works!!

I recommend starting with a low dose of it. I made the mistake of taking a full serving and let me tell ya...the purple elephant in the corner of the room was speaking spanish. Haha

I just picked up this product today and I was hoping to get some responses as to when the best time to take this product is. I know you should take it twice a day but I was just wondering when the best time to take the pills are. I do cardio in the morning everyday and I lift (switching body groups) in the evenings during the 5 days of the work week. Respond Back Please

I think cellucor products are a waste of money. (Just my opinion)

I would take your pills 30 minutes before cardio, and 30 minutes before you weight train. On non-work out days, just take two in the morning.

Thats how I would take them.


[QUOTE=Jhead710;315029431]I just picked up this product today and I was hoping to get some responses as to when the best time to take this product is. I know you should take it twice a day but I was just wondering when the best time to take the pills are. I do cardio in the morning everyday and I lift (switching body groups) in the evenings during the 5 days of the work week. Respond Back Please[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tear;314418521]Hey, first post here. Umm, I was wondering if CL REDuction is good if you just take AM and not PM or if you can buy a regular type because the PM is just to large for me to swallow and I don't want to buy and not be able to take it. And will just AM work. Thanks, hope for a reply.[/QUOTE]
they are the same size. neither is large
[QUOTE=drp3;315011391]I've almost finished my first box of REDuction, and although I haven't kept a log (work, school, etc.) My progress pictures are representative of its effects. I think one more box will get me down to my goal.

REDuction gets my vote.[/QUOTE]

awesome, post up the pics in here :)

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;315348071]they are the same size. neither is large


awesome, post up the pics in here :)[/QUOTE]

Sorry, should have clarified - They're on my bodyspace! Thanks CL.

[QUOTE=Rockdsn;315031761]I think cellucor products are a waste of money. (Just my opinion)

I would take your pills 30 minutes before cardio, and 30 minutes before you weight train. On non-work out days, just take two in the morning.

Thats how I would take them.[/QUOTE]

I lost SO much weight with Cellucor D4 and T7 (I used to be well above 300 lbs) and then when I started lifting heavy I switched to the P3 and it did wonders for me. I guess everyone just have different results with different stuff.

I have just finished up my REDUCTION + LX stack. I feel great, i feel lighter, i fit into smaller clothes... but comparing my pictures from march 7th(Pre-stack) to my pictures from april 9th(post-stack)... im not seeing any difference...

Is it just me?

BTW, dont laugh... i know im a fat guy

[url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Zoghoffen/3-7Side.jpg]March 7 side view[/url]

[url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Zoghoffen/3-7front.jpg]March 7 front view[/url]

[url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Zoghoffen/4-9Front.jpg]April 9 front view[/url]

[url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Zoghoffen/4-9Side.jpg]April 9 side view[/url]

[QUOTE=EatenByAlgae;315534891]I have just finished up my REDUCTION + LX stack. I feel great, i feel lighter, i fit into smaller clothes... but comparing my pictures from march 7th to my pictures from april 9th... im not seeing any difference...

Is it just me?

BTW, dont laugh... i know im a fat guy

[url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Zoghoffen/3-7Side.jpg]March 7 side view[/url]

[url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Zoghoffen/3-7front.jpg]March 7 front view[/url]

[url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Zoghoffen/4-9Front.jpg]April 9 front view[/url]

[url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Zoghoffen/4-9Side.jpg]April 9 side view[/url][/QUOTE]

You do look slightly slimmer. What does workout and diet consist of? Have you weighed in before and after? I'm using Reduction right now. So far I'm not seeing any difference than what my normal healthy eating habit and exercise routine already does for me.

[QUOTE=EatenByAlgae;315534891]I have just finished up my REDUCTION + LX stack. I feel great, i feel lighter, i fit into smaller clothes... but comparing my pictures from march 7th(Pre-stack) to my pictures from april 9th(post-stack)... im not seeing any difference...

Is it just me?

BTW, dont laugh... i know im a fat guy

[url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Zoghoffen/3-7Side.jpg]March 7 side view[/url]

[url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Zoghoffen/3-7front.jpg]March 7 front view[/url]

[url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Zoghoffen/4-9Front.jpg]April 9 front view[/url]

[url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Zoghoffen/4-9Side.jpg]April 9 side view[/url][/QUOTE]

I do see a difference on both front and side view. You have lost the weight all over, not in just one spot. I understand though when you say you don't see it, cause I don't see my changes as much as others do.

[QUOTE=nitroracer82;315538501]You do look slightly slimmer. What does workout and diet consist of? Have you weighed in before and after? I'm using Reduction right now. So far I'm not seeing any difference than what my normal healthy eating habit and exercise routine already does for me.[/QUOTE]

the part that hurt me was my hectic schedule...

i work graveyard and go to school full time... i get no sleep... and on some days i have no time to work out.

my diet is good though. oatmeal in the morning, sandwhiches with whole grains and lean meats, grilled chicken breast(sometimes marinated with italian dressing) and i eat broccoli, brussel sprouts... and i eat a lot of bananas.

to the above. maybe thats what it is... i look at the gut to gauge size loss...

i started at 215-220... im now 200-205

[QUOTE=EatenByAlgae;315534891]I have just finished up my REDUCTION + LX stack. I feel great, i feel lighter, i fit into smaller clothes... but comparing my pictures from march 7th(Pre-stack) to my pictures from april 9th(post-stack)... im not seeing any difference...

Is it just me?

BTW, dont laugh... i know im a fat guy

[url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Zoghoffen/3-7Side.jpg]March 7 side view[/url]

[url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Zoghoffen/3-7front.jpg]March 7 front view[/url]

[url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Zoghoffen/4-9Front.jpg]April 9 front view[/url]

[url=http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/Zoghoffen/4-9Side.jpg]April 9 side view[/url][/QUOTE]

I see the differences - nice work. Definitely around the sides, and from the two side pics - check out around your chin. It's coming off from all over (although we all wish we could spot target)

Keep it up man!

What about Beast's 2 shredded anyone got any input on this one?

[QUOTE=drp3;315586461]I see the differences - nice work. Definitely around the sides, and from the two side pics - check out around your chin. It's coming off from all over (although we all wish we could spot target)

Keep it up man![/QUOTE]

thanks... i also have a related question... my arms are stronger, seem more defined... but are measuring smaller... they went from being around 17(not as seen in march 7), to between 15 1/2 and 16

what could cause this?

[QUOTE=EatenByAlgae;315684741]thanks... i also have a related question... my arms are stronger, seem more defined... but are measuring smaller... they went from being around 17(not as seen in march 7), to between 15 1/2 and 16

what could cause this?[/QUOTE]Your arms were mostly fat probably.

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;312893111]WOW, spectacular results on REDuction for sure. are you trying a second box?[/QUOTE]

Well, I am happy with the results, but trying a cycle of Universal Cut this time around. If it doesnt work out, I know REDuction is a strong relief.

[QUOTE=EatenByAlgae;315684741]thanks... i also have a related question... my arms are stronger, seem more defined... but are measuring smaller... they went from being around 17(not as seen in march 7), to between 15 1/2 and 16

what could cause this?[/QUOTE]

I agree with the above. The fat that was surrounding your muscles in your arms is starting to deplete revealing a smaller, more defined bicep. Keep lifting and eating right, you'll gain the size and definition you're looking for.

alright so im on LX and DCP right now and its doing great,
but its gonna be finished within the next week or so.
i have AP and Recreate laying around, and a pretty much full container
of animal cuts.
should i wait a little after LX and DCP before starting either one of those
products or can i gradually start introducing it now?

[QUOTE=ridemx445;315952631]Well, I am happy with the results, but trying a cycle of Universal Cut this time around. If it doesnt work out, I know REDuction is a strong relief.[/QUOTE]

glad to hear it, i have a feeling you will be back ;)

[QUOTE=BMA17;315958931]alright so im on LX and DCP right now and its doing great,
but its gonna be finished within the next week or so.
i have AP and Recreate laying around, and a pretty much full container
of animal cuts.
should i wait a little after LX and DCP before starting either one of those
products or can i gradually start introducing it now?[/QUOTE]

I am on AP/Recreate right now and have seen some serious fat loss though the muscle gains have kept me with 10 pounds of my starting weight. I am going to do the recommended 90 days on Recreate and then probably take a break and give Mitotropin or Animal Cuts a shot... I need to get rid of the last 10 pounds and they are stubborn around the midsection!!!!

I know this is a stupid question but can anyone compare the REDuction AM/PM pill size to any other common pill like Tylenol or just give me the exact size in mg's. I have finally learned how to take medium sized pills but I don't think I'm ready to take a gigantic one just yet.

animal cuts with a clean diet and working out will do justice!

is ANIMAL CUTS only meant for people close to their goals, or would it be suitable for someone like me... who is about 30 pounds from their goal?

also... how long after finishing REDUCTION should i wait before starting another cycle?

[QUOTE=kevsworld;316663721]I wouldn't choose any "ephedra free" fat burner. I only use the ECA stack. I don't think anything else is worth the money.[/QUOTE]

But how can you get it (legally)?

I started taking D4 Thermal Shock, i have seen amazing results from it, i take it at 8 am and 1 pm. It doesnt give you that cracked out feeling that Hydroxycut does but you do feel hot flashes and sweat alot more in the gym, hope that helps


[QUOTE=Rockdsn;315031761]I think cellucor products are a waste of money. (Just my opinion)

I would take your pills 30 minutes before cardio, and 30 minutes before you weight train. On non-work out days, just take two in the morning.

Thats how I would take them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Brooklyn77;316666761]animal cuts with a clean diet and working out will do justice![/QUOTE]

Agreed.

[QUOTE=EatenByAlgae;316696301]is ANIMAL CUTS only meant for people close to their goals, or would it be suitable for someone like me... who is about 30 pounds from their goal?

also... how long after finishing REDUCTION should i wait before starting another cycle?[/QUOTE]

Animal Cuts is perfect for those who have been dieting and are close to or have hit a fat loss plateau. It will get your metabolism fired up and get you back on track to losing bodyfat. It will help people that are close to a competition and also those looking to lose a lot of fat.

Can women take Animal Cuts?

[QUOTE=pbuza;316935661]Can women take Animal Cuts?[/QUOTE]

Yes

I just started Ripped Fuel by Twin Labs. Haven't noticed any issues as of yet. Has anyone tried this one?

can you take EC with Animal Cuts?