Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

[QUOTE=paganman;222065911]
I sleep exceptionally well at night, even taking White Flood at 6:00 pm! I'm not sure if it's because of the PM REDuction pills, or if it's because I wake up at 4:30 am to swim, go to work from 7:00-4:00, come home to an 18 month old daughter, then lift weights from 6:00-7:00 PM. Usually by 9:00 I'm out![/QUOTE]
that is awesome to hear, thanks for the feedback :)
[QUOTE=ltuspe;222327801]
CL has a great reputation so I figured I'd give them a try. A few days on REDuction I can say that I do sleep better at night and feel more focused throughout the day. Now I'll just have to see how I respond to it long term. I'll be sure to post back here with results. : )[/QUOTE]

3 days, you havent seen anything yet, the best results lay ahead my friend :)

lipo 6 safe to use for a 17 year old on roaccutane?

REDuction is by far the best. Maybe not the most intense but over the long haul which is what really matters the one that provides real results with little ill affects. I just ran out of my red pills, I still have like five days worth of black pills, I don't know how the hell this happened. But, I had some yellow Lipodrene left over and just figured I'd finish that bottle before reordering a new set of REDuction and wow the different. Those pills make me feel like ****. I feel like I drank way too much coffee and it's just a gross feeling. The crash too is super retarded. It's like you have to wait to crash to fall asleep. Since I got back into bodybuilding I've tried numerous fat burners to help with dropping fat off my body and I don't think I'll ever use another fat burner again. I'm going to take a chill pill though at least until Monday then start taking REDuction again. A few days break my body good. I'll be placing my order for REDuction today and just start up on them again Monday.

Oh yeah, I started at 367lbs in/around about 12 weeks ago. I'm at 322 last I checked. I'm sure the bulk of it is from working out and having a clean diet but REDuction has definetely helped.

Now if I could only find a way to get like ten little RED pills so I don't have to waste my black ones...lol. I'd even pay a few dollars extra for them.

is this going to effect me if i take ********?

[QUOTE=Chococat;223237191]REDuction is by far the best. Maybe not the most intense but over the long haul which is what really matters the one that provides real results with little ill affects. I just ran out of my red pills, I still have like five days worth of black pills, I don't know how the hell this happened. But, I had some yellow Lipodrene left over and just figured I'd finish that bottle before reordering a new set of REDuction and wow the different. Those pills make me feel like ****. I feel like I drank way too much coffee and it's just a gross feeling. The crash too is super retarded. It's like you have to wait to crash to fall asleep. Since I got back into bodybuilding I've tried numerous fat burners to help with dropping fat off my body and I don't think I'll ever use another fat burner again. I'm going to take a chill pill though at least until Monday then start taking REDuction again. A few days break my body good. I'll be placing my order for REDuction today and just start up on them again Monday.

Oh yeah, I started at 367lbs in/around about 12 weeks ago. I'm at 322 last I checked. I'm sure the bulk of it is from working out and having a clean diet but REDuction has definetely helped.

Now if I could only find a way to get like ten little RED pills so I don't have to waste my black ones...lol. I'd even pay a few dollars extra for them.[/QUOTE]
awesome, thanks for the detailed feedback :)

I used lipo 6 for maybe 3 months and nothing changed, I had a decent diet and kept my carido going and nothing... not even a kick from the caffeine :S so now I'm going to try with atro-phex, does anyone have any feedback on it?

[QUOTE=robinkodial;223675161]I used lipo 6 for maybe 3 months and nothing changed, I had a decent diet and kept my carido going and nothing... not even a kick from the caffeine :S so now I'm going to try with atro-phex, does anyone have any feedback on it?[/QUOTE]

atro-phex is a complete waste of time, didn't notice a thing on it. Im getting good results from REDuction and Lean Xtreme so i would advise you to give those a try. If you cant do both then just take the REDuction ...

[QUOTE=dvshane;223675651]atro-phex is a complete waste of time, didn't notice a thing on it. Im getting good results from REDuction and Lean Xtreme so i would advise you to give those a try. If you cant do both then just take the REDuction ...[/QUOTE]
okay thanks I'll do that next then I have already ordered it so I think I'll try it out and if it doesn't work I'll see if someone else have some use for it

btw for how long did you use it?

[QUOTE=Chococat;223237191]REDuction is by far the best. Maybe not the most intense but over the long haul which is what really matters the one that provides real results with little ill affects. I just ran out of my red pills, I still have like five days worth of black pills, I don't know how the hell this happened. But, I had some yellow Lipodrene left over and just figured I'd finish that bottle before reordering a new set of REDuction and wow the different. Those pills make me feel like ****. I feel like I drank way too much coffee and it's just a gross feeling. The crash too is super retarded. It's like you have to wait to crash to fall asleep. Since I got back into bodybuilding I've tried numerous fat burners to help with dropping fat off my body and I don't think I'll ever use another fat burner again. I'm going to take a chill pill though at least until Monday then start taking REDuction again. A few days break my body good. I'll be placing my order for REDuction today and just start up on them again Monday.

Oh yeah, I started at 367lbs in/around about 12 weeks ago. I'm at 322 last I checked. I'm sure the bulk of it is from working out and having a clean diet but REDuction has definetely helped.

Now if I could only find a way to get like ten little RED pills so I don't have to waste my black ones...lol. I'd even pay a few dollars extra for them.[/QUOTE]

True. The nice thing about REDuction it doesn't give you any side effects, and it really does give you quality sleep, all the while you are leaning out. great product ...

[QUOTE=dvshane;223675651]atro-phex is a complete waste of time, didn't notice a thing on it. Im getting good results from REDuction and Lean Xtreme so i would advise you to give those a try. If you cant do both then just take the REDuction ...[/QUOTE]while REDuction is perfect on its own, its a good stack.

[QUOTE=dvshane;223676111]True. The nice thing about REDuction it doesn't give you any side effects, and it really does give you quality sleep, all the while you are leaning out. great product ...[/QUOTE]

for sure, no need for sleeping pills. also, without good qaulity sleep fat loss will suffer.

I used ECA stack, it was good for getting ripped but made my skin on my face horrible ( rashes / acne etc ) so stopped it.. Been using lipo 6x, It sucks because I kept it outside for a while and most of the pills have melted. What do u guys suggest?

The shop here has only hydroxy cut hardcore, lipo 6 and Animal cuts i think.

im going to take green mag, what should i take with it :

Cytolean
Adrenalean
sub-q
scortch

Im about to finish reduction and im happy with the results but im keen to try something new. Im not keen on recreate cause of its test boosting, what other options are there for me that anyone can recommend ?

[QUOTE=dvshane;224606451]im going to take green mag, what should i take with it :

Cytolean
Adrenalean
sub-q
scortch

Im about to finish reduction and im happy with the results but im keen to try something new. Im not keen on recreate cause of its test boosting, what other options are there for me that anyone can recommend ?[/QUOTE]

what are the thoughts of taking anything with yohimbe in the morning , like dren, meltdown, xenadrine and then white flood/ green mag in the afternoon, cause i know you not supposed to take yohimbe with green mag ....

I have been on the forums for a while now and just keep reading and using it for motivation. Finally have a question....

I eat pretty clean, and use the following supplements: fish oil, protien and sizeOn...

I want to get the last little bit of bf off and have read TONS of good things on REDuction... Do i need to change anything up when i take REDuction? Should i drop the SizeOn while taking REDuction? Have always been nervous about taking supplements, so don't want to mix too many things.

Thanks for the advice in advance.

I've done the following:

HydroxyCut Hardcore: 3 Cycles .. Worked pretty well, hit a plateau though, and about half way through the third bottle, it just didn't work.

Lipo-6 X: One cycle .. lost 7 pounds in the first three days and not a single pound after that, same diet, same exercise.

iSatori MX-LS7: 2 Cycles .. best product I've ever used in my life. I can't rave enough, works AWESOME! I took a break after the second cycle, and I'm trying ADIPO-X, I'll be back to MX-LS7 after this ADIPO bottle is empty.

Ryan

[QUOTE=dvshane;224606451]im going to take green mag, what should i take with it :

Cytolean
Adrenalean
sub-q
scortch

Im about to finish reduction and im happy with the results but im keen to try something new. Im not keen on recreate cause of its test boosting, what other options are there for me that anyone can recommend ?[/QUOTE]
why switch if having good results? you are setting yourself up for dissapointment ;)
[QUOTE=bkvette98;224749281]I have been on the forums for a while now and just keep reading and using it for motivation. Finally have a question....

I eat pretty clean, and use the following supplements: fish oil, protien and sizeOn...

I want to get the last little bit of bf off and have read TONS of good things on REDuction... Do i need to change anything up when i take REDuction? Should i drop the SizeOn while taking REDuction? Have always been nervous about taking supplements, so don't want to mix too many things.

Thanks for the advice in advance.[/QUOTE]
its fine to take REDuction with size on. have you tried a green mag sample? its calorie free and great for cutting

[QUOTE=bkvette98;224749281]I have been on the forums for a while now and just keep reading and using it for motivation. Finally have a question....

I eat pretty clean, and use the following supplements: fish oil, protien and sizeOn...

I want to get the last little bit of bf off and have read TONS of good things on REDuction... Do i need to change anything up when i take REDuction? Should i drop the SizeOn while taking REDuction? Have always been nervous about taking supplements, so don't want to mix too many things.

Thanks for the advice in advance.[/QUOTE]

U dont have to drop the sizeon IF you Fit it in your macros, i don't use Creatine like Sizeon in my Cuts Because i Follow a low Carb Diet and i prefer getting them from whole food instead of a Creatine.. thats my point of view, any1 could see it different

[QUOTE=no1stumper;223302741]is this going to effect me if i take ********?[/QUOTE]

Do you take ******** prescribed or not?? if youre taking it recreationally, like as a way to study or stay up for work, I would say NO NO NO!!

-being that the main compound in Addy is meth-amphetamine, it will do nothing for your muscle, other than break it down completely.

So be careful!! just make sure you eat enough if you are going to combine the two, although your heart and blood pressure will suffer nonetheless

can i take REDuction with any NO products? i like to use black powder or supercharge wen lifting? Is my heart gunna explode haha?

[QUOTE=lalakers87;225472121]can i take REDuction with any NO products? i like to use black powder or supercharge wen lifting? Is my heart gunna explode haha?[/QUOTE]


I'd space them out by at least 6 hours. I take REDuction am at 6:30 am, and White Flood preworkout at 6:00 PM, and I've had no problems. Even more, taking White Flood so late at night doesn't effect my sleep (the REDuction pm tabs must be working!).

I just started yesterday Sunday 9/28 to make my push to get under 300lbs. I took a few days of a break physically and mentally. I tend to obsess over bodybuilding way too much and after a while it drains me mentally. Even moreso than physically. This is part of the reason I left bodybuilding at 23 years old. I've been off REDuction for about a week and will be placing an order today. I weighed myself Saturday and I was at 323.2 which is about a pound up before I took my week long break. I'm sure alot of is water and carbs since I've been eating alot more carbs. Yesterday I started back up. I plan on being under 300 by the end of the month. My goal is October 31st >300lbs. I'll keep you guys posted.

Thanks CL and Stathis for getting back with me, just wanted to make sure it was safe before ordering. Put my order in here at BB and its already on its way! can't wait!

[QUOTE=RNRW;212326621]I know what I'm talking about. It is very possible, ON FOOD ALONE, to get absolutely ripped to shreds. Fat burners, have a large placebo effect, when the user is on them, they feel that they have an edge. Fact is, many of these products are rather useless for fat loss, and some are actually dangerous. Apparently, you can't even read someone's post correctly, you feel the need to retort to information that isn't even there.[/QUOTE]

Now this could be a generalization, but...too many guys are putting too much emphasis on all these different supps; which ones there's going to stack with what and what they're going to order next and yada-yada-ya...when they should probably be focusing on using whole foods which is what it really comes down to in the LONG RUN. I've noticed that guys who rely heavily on thermos never make the neccessary lifestyle changes to get/stay in good condition. All the guys I know that stay in that 4-8% range do so by soley using whole foods; no supps (except for the norm's like protien, glutamine, creatine, EFA's, ect.) And like I said that could be a generalization and that's not to to say I wouldn't ever use a fat burner again (as I've used them in the past {meltdown/ECA}) but nowadays I invest more at the grocery store than ever before. It just had me cracking up that this guy on here said that "until tommorrow at 4:00pm" all he had to eat was oatmeal & peanut butter but by the way he was talking he had a cabinet full of supplements. **** had me laughing, really. BB.com's always good for a few laughs!

[QUOTE=yuriy;3161305]What about T2?
I've just got sample 2 pills from the Bodybuiling.com.[/QUOTE]

same

i cant order free fat burners..like samples...seem like a waste for one days samples lol

[QUOTE=sensei101;225825921]i cant order free fat burners..like samples...seem like a waste for one days samples lol[/QUOTE]


You won't see any results by taking a one day sample, but you can determine if your body reacts well to it, or if you have any immediate side effects.

I can tell you that after taking a single dose of Hydroxycut, I felt terrible.

[QUOTE=dvshane;224606451]im going to take green mag, what should i take with it :

Cytolean
Adrenalean
*sub-q*
scortch

Im about to finish reduction and im happy with the results but im keen to try something new. Im not keen on recreate cause of its test boosting, what other options are there for me that anyone can recommend ?[/QUOTE]

... like Controlled Labs, if it's working for you - stick with it.

Should you still feel the need to try something new such as SUB-Q. Send me a PM and I'll send you some samples to make sure the product agrees with you.

CONTROLLED LABS

as you know my wrath mag flood cycle was fantastic and im currently cycling of flood with glycer. in about a month i plan to start cutting with reduction. what else should i take while cutting?

Ok so I'm 26 with a BMI of 29.2(215LBS) according to my last pt test. I've been taking Lipo 6x with limited results, I lost about 8 lBS. From what I've read REDuction sounds like one of the most popular fat burners. But how is the energy level on it? I work graves and rarely get enough sleep, on a avg. I get 6 hours of sleep and with lipo 6x I'm getting a nice boost of energy with out any problem sleeping as long as I take it befor midnight. I must get down to either a BMI of 23 or 201 LBS so that I can join active duty navy! I would appreciate any and all help.

So i just bought the 42 pack of animal cuts E/C/A stacks and i was wondering if there is any bad side effects, or long term heath effects that i should know about before taking them?

I also do 1hr 1/2 of cardio a day keeping a heart rate of 145 and i weight 180 so that is the right heart rate to run at for me i'm pretty sure.

i also take NO xpload, cellmass, and optimum whey protein, and universal animal pack(44 pack)

[QUOTE=chronkituss;226724561]So i just bought the 42 pack of animal cuts E/C/A stacks and i was wondering if there is any bad side effects, or long term heath effects that i should know about before taking them?

I also do 1hr 1/2 of cardio a day keeping a heart rate of 145 and i weight 180 so that is the right heart rate to run at for me i'm pretty sure.

i also take NO xpload, cellmass, and optimum whey protein, and universal animal pack(44 pack)[/QUOTE]

1.5h of cardio is too long IMO, you going into a catabolic state and breaking your muscles down for energy. Bring it down to 30min a day and take BCAA's before your cardio to preserve your muscle ...

Alright guys...

It's 2008 - Depression EXISTS..so i'm after a bit advice based on this if anyone can help...I started on an anti-depressant that really DOES work...although it has raised my 30" ripped waist to 32" and i can pinch those 2" of surface fat. And i'm HATING it!

Since then i started takin Thermonex by BSN - OK so it's a thermogenic and my body temp has definitely increased, however I have noticed no fat reductions what so ever.

My diet is generally good, enough protein for muscle repair from food and from supplements - BSN Syntha-6. And enough carbs for energy but not too much.

I've been increasing my cardio gradually as the depression tablets completely destroyed my stamina.

Anyone know of any safe and effective fat loss supplementation that won't clash with Paroxetine Hydrochloride?

Oh yeah...and has anyone tried drinking green tea...and does it really work?

Thanks. K

I've tried all of the major brands with little results. Hardcore, Lipo 6, you name it. A friend told me about this stack to try. These are by far the best weight loss pills I've ever taken. It's not loaded with just stimulants like most others. It helped me burn fat, curb my appetite get rid of excess water. I would recommend this to all! [url]www.getmaxxed.com[/url].

Peace

[QUOTE=lalakers87;225472121]can i take REDuction with any NO products? i like to use black powder or supercharge wen lifting? Is my heart gunna explode haha?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=paganman;225477881]I'd space them out by at least 6 hours. I take REDuction am at 6:30 am, and White Flood preworkout at 6:00 PM, and I've had no problems. Even more, taking White Flood so late at night doesn't effect my sleep (the REDuction pm tabs must be working!).[/QUOTE]
exactly. I usually suggest 4-5 hours at least between AM reduction and a stim preworkout product.
[QUOTE=Chococat;225481911]I just started yesterday Sunday 9/28 to make my push to get under 300lbs. I took a few days of a break physically and mentally. I tend to obsess over bodybuilding way too much and after a while it drains me mentally. Even moreso than physically. This is part of the reason I left bodybuilding at 23 years old. I've been off REDuction for about a week and will be placing an order today. I weighed myself Saturday and I was at 323.2 which is about a pound up before I took my week long break. I'm sure alot of is water and carbs since I've been eating alot more carbs. Yesterday I started back up. I plan on being under 300 by the end of the month. My goal is October 31st >300lbs. I'll keep you guys posted.[/QUOTE]
that is awesome and I think your goal is attainable if you work at it really hard. keep us updated. we are always interested in feedback :)
[QUOTE=briankoke;225931781]CONTROLLED LABS

as you know my wrath mag flood cycle was fantastic and im currently cycling of flood with glycer. in about a month i plan to start cutting with reduction. what else should i take while cutting?[/QUOTE]
what your taking now is perfect to combine with REDuction. also, make sure you have a quality foundational supp like orange triad that includes a multi and joint aids.
[QUOTE=fatflyboy;226117631]Ok so I'm 26 with a BMI of 29.2(215LBS) according to my last pt test. I've been taking Lipo 6x with limited results, I lost about 8 lBS. From what I've read REDuction sounds like one of the most popular fat burners. But how is the energy level on it? I work graves and rarely get enough sleep, on a avg. I get 6 hours of sleep and with lipo 6x I'm getting a nice boost of energy with out any problem sleeping as long as I take it befor midnight. I must get down to either a BMI of 23 or 201 LBS so that I can join active duty navy! I would appreciate any and all help.[/QUOTE]energy is good and smooth and lasts throughout the day. you dont get the cracked out jittery feeling you get with most fat burners :)

[QUOTE=fatflyboy;226117631]Ok so I'm 26 with a BMI of 29.2(215LBS) according to my last pt test. I've been taking Lipo 6x with limited results, I lost about 8 lBS. From what I've read REDuction sounds like one of the most popular fat burners. But how is the energy level on it? I work graves and rarely get enough sleep, on a avg. I get 6 hours of sleep and with lipo 6x I'm getting a nice boost of energy with out any problem sleeping as long as I take it befor midnight. I must get down to either a BMI of 23 or 201 LBS so that I can join active duty navy! I would appreciate any and all help.[/QUOTE]

i took REDuction, and the energy was great in the AM and throughout the day. but after about 2 weeks, it lost it's effect on me. weight loss, i didn't notice much, but i blame my diet, not the supplement. i've been good with my diet except for the last few weeks. i'd definitely try REDuction again. and sleep was great with the PM pill. but i'm also thinking about giving Meltdown a shot or going back to Recreate.

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;226890341]

what your taking now is perfect to combine with REDuction. also, make sure you have a quality foundational supp like orange triad that includes a multi and joint aids.

already take triad just forgot to list. thanx!!

[QUOTE=TxTreb88;226899291]i took REDuction, and the energy was great in the AM and throughout the day. but after about 2 weeks, it lost it's effect on me. weight loss, i didn't notice much, but i blame my diet, not the supplement. i've been good with my diet except for the last few weeks. i'd definitely try REDuction again. and sleep was great with the PM pill. but i'm also thinking about giving Meltdown a shot or going back to Recreate.[/QUOTE]
if you have taken stims for a long time, the effects wear off more easily. cycle off stims every 30-60 days for at least a week.
[QUOTE=briankoke;226902241][QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;226890341]

what your taking now is perfect to combine with REDuction. also, make sure you have a quality foundational supp like orange triad that includes a multi and joint aids.

already take triad just forgot to list. thanx!![/QUOTE]

awesome, your good to go then :)

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;226906301]if you have taken stims for a long time, the effects wear off more easily. cycle off stims every 30-60 days for at least a week.
[/QUOTE]
after each bottle, i'd normally try to go off for about a week. i'll probably get REDuction again, just to keep up with the other CL products i stack. i will admit, it's by far the best stim i've used for a fat burner. i have two more days left of it to use, and i'll order more next week. now i just gotta find it in the budget to try some Orange TRIad. :D

[QUOTE=toast.tm;214684371]I am 4 days in takin REDuction and I have had to stop as my spine has decided it hates me and wants to cause as much pain as posible.

I started a new diet cutting down but not ignoring carbs taking reduction and training 4-5 times a week 3 days weights 2 HIIT cardio. I did nothing to 'jar' my spine but all of a sudden all my joints have gone 'creaky'.

Has anyone else had this after taking REDuction.... I am not blaming it, I just want to try and rule it out as it is the only new addition to my diet!

Additional info. FYI. I went to the hospital and had tests on my heart, lungs and bloodpressure... all fine. I know its only 4 days into it but i'm pretty sure that it it was an ephidra based product they would have pulled me on blood pressure atleast. They did however crack my spine back into place which didnt help, which is why I am thinking its a joint swelling inflamed thing linked to something.[/QUOTE]

Same thing happened to me. I started on Sat. and took my last my pill last night. Taking REDuction was the only thing I changed and now that I stopped my back isn't killing me as much as it was before. It's only been about 15 hours since my last pill but I can definitely feel the difference. Sucks cuz I just bought two month supply.

[QUOTE=dvshane;226804221]1.5h of cardio is too long IMO, you going into a catabolic state and breaking your muscles down for energy. Bring it down to 30min a day and take BCAA's before your cardio to preserve your muscle ...[/QUOTE]

So are u saying that i should take my creatine, protein , or E/C/A stacks before cardio?

[QUOTE=chronkituss;227191291]So are u saying that i should take my creatine, protein , or E/C/A stacks before cardio?[/QUOTE]

I have never used ECA stack so I wouldn't be able to help you with that. I'd take the creatine about half an hour before your cardio and protein straight afterwards ...

[QUOTE=TxTreb88;226908161]after each bottle, i'd normally try to go off for about a week. i'll probably get REDuction again, just to keep up with the other CL products i stack. i will admit, it's by far the best stim i've used for a fat burner. i have two more days left of it to use, and i'll order more next week. now i just gotta find it in the budget to try some Orange TRIad. :D[/QUOTE]

awesome, which products are you using? orange triad would be an excellent addition. :)

howsafe is phetermine? and could i stack it with reduction? I SURE ITS DANGEROUS

Im far from an expert on any of this stuff. But Ive tried Hc, HC hardcore, green tea, and a few others I cant remember (No results, so I forget their name). I found what worked best for me was obviously diet, but I really liekd the EAS Thermo-dynamix teamed up with liquid carnitine. I went on a not so strict diet, basically just avoided fried stuff, and I lost 10 lbs in a month. I took the team for 3 months, and lost a good 25 lbs. I was very impressed. Just my experience though....

[QUOTE=ATLYROC;227486641]howsafe is phetermine? and could i stack it with reduction? I SURE ITS DANGEROUS[/QUOTE]

REDuction is perfect on its own, no need to add anything else :)

yeah i understand that but i have both and was wondering if it was safe.

yes ...no?

I have worked with BioQuest on their newest (soon to be released) fat burner called BetaStax...I must say that it is the best thing since the legal days of ECA and ephedra based supplements.
[url]http://www.betastax.com/testimonials.php[/url]

Has anyone tried Lipo 6 or Lipo 6x?

My brother (25% BF), who is about 220 lbs and wants to go down to 200 lbs plans on using one of them for about 3 months with about 45 minutes of cardio per day. Would it be a wise choice?

Or is REDuction better?

He is also 17.5 years old, are there any risks taking one of those three?

I just got done useing Lipo-6x. I did loose a few pound's with it, around 8 pounds. I had also changed my diet and am working out 5 days a week. I think that if he changes his diet and is working out along with 6x he'll start loosing some weight. But don't leave the 6x any where HOT couse the capsule's will start leaking! GNC had to give me a free bottle couse of this! O and I'm a noob at this working out stuff so I'm by far no expert.