Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

[QUOTE=nintendodude;213258031]The only reason I won't try this product is because of the guggulsterone content. I avoid all products that contain this ingredient. The debate about its safety is well documented, but I prefer to err on the side of caution.[/QUOTE]

Guggle won't kill you, but I understand your point.

My next thermo won't contain such supplement.

I'm going to stack a green tea, 7-keto and ???? Not sure what to make the thermo...

I think I've narrowed it down. Xenadrine RFA-X looks interesting to stack with 7-KETO and Green tea.

[QUOTE=nintendodude;213255821]I like a lot of universal products, but animal cuts just did not do anything for me. That's like saying BMW is a fantastic car, but I felt like a Benz is more my taste. I've been using MAN scorch for a while, and it is one of the few "fat burners/energy products" I can feel working. I have a lot more energy and my appetite stays quite controlled while using it, effects I felt void while using animal cuts.[/QUOTE]

What would u say about Zero-G. Tell me some more about what u felt about MAN Scorch.

The ones that have done great for me are

MHP DREN

Controlled Labs REDuction

and the Tri Stack from ALR

liquid L-Carnitine - period.

[QUOTE=CraigK;213494421]liquid L-Carnitine - period.[/QUOTE]

Lol. I use to take 4-5g of that a day, plus my thermo, plus green tea, plus 7-Keto. I love L-carnitine.

[QUOTE=seanf76;213351631]The ones that have done great for me are

MHP DREN

Controlled Labs REDuction

and the Tri Stack from ALR[/QUOTE]

glad you like REDuction, how does it compare to the other one you like ?

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;213790741]glad you like REDuction, how does it compare to the other one you like ?[/QUOTE]

HULK SMASH!

Yesterday i started my Anabolic pump, Lean Xtreme, and REDuction stack. My training went really well, but i must admit my sleeping pattern was less than adequate. I woke up like 4 times during the night having has F*cked up dreams and didn't get all that much sleep. I took a lean Xtreme and REDuction PM pill on an empty stomach before i went to bed. Was that a bad idea ?

[QUOTE=Djin;213805341]HULK SMASH![/QUOTE]
awesome :D
[QUOTE=dvshane;214149061]Yesterday i started my Anabolic pump, Lean Xtreme, and REDuction stack. My training went really well, but i must admit my sleeping pattern was less than adequate. I woke up like 4 times during the night having has F*cked up dreams and didn't get all that much sleep. I took a lean Xtreme and REDuction PM pill on an empty stomach before i went to bed. Was that a bad idea ?[/QUOTE]

dont go to bed on an empty stomach

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;214268501]awesome :D

Damn right!

dont go to bed on an empty stomach[/QUOTE]

I've eaten a whole jar of peanut butter and like 500+ calories before bed and still lost weight... lol

Do not skip meals. I use to think 1,500 was good... but now I'm eating well over 3,000 and killing the gym and looking great... plus still losing weight.

Xenadrine RFA-X is Hydroxycut is Arson?!?!

If you look closely at Arson, it is the same company that makes Hydroxycut and now this news about Muscletech buying Xenadrine and making their "HC" with a twist... interesting. So they have three products that are very similar to each other...

Xenadrine was fined millions of dollars by the FTC for false advertising. They had good products so I am not too sure why they decided to do this.

Xenadrine was recently bought by Muscletech. Actually, Muscletech just bought the name Xenadrine. Muscletech is the maker of popular fat burners like Hydroxycut Max and Hydroxycut Hardcore.

Muscletech is a good company. I thought it was interesting that they pay people for their testimonials. I am not too sure how unbiased a testimony can be if it is paid for, but what can you do . . . . . .

Anyways back to Xenadrine RFA-X.

Xenadrine RFA-X is eerily similar to Hydroxycut Hardcore. There are some slight differences - mainly DMAE and Coleus forskholii. So it is more like Hydroxycut with a twist of lime.

I actually like Xenadrine RFA-X better then it cousin/brother, Hyrdroxycut because of these two ingredients. They are awesome fat burners that promote long term fat loss. Unfortunately the amount of these two awesome ingredients is 'unkonwn' because they are masked in a propriety blend. There are some other product with these two ingredients, the best being Leptitrex.

Overall, Xenadrine RFA-X looks like a good fat burner. We will learn more once this diet supplement is "officially released". Then we will get a better understanding of how much of these ingredients are in there. It will retail for $60. Will you "slash 37 pounds"? With a lot of hard work and proper diet - anything is possible.

/discuss please.

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With a few things of my own in there.

[QUOTE=asalways;213350381]What would u say about Zero-G. Tell me some more about what u felt about MAN Scorch.[/QUOTE]

Can't say anything about Zero-G.

Scorch immediately goes to work for me-15 minutes after taking it my hunger is almost gone, and I feel like I am "heating up" inside. This is no placebo effect, either-the ingredients, including the caffeine, give me slight jitters which is great going into a workout. This is a product I would say "try it for yourself." I would be very hard-pressed to try another energy product after this one, as I have tried numerous brands/products before with little to no results. Animal Cuts was the product I'd rank before this one, but only as "okay." But everybody's body is different, and its very popular as well, so obviously it works for some people.

I am a fan of Controlled Labs' products, but I must confess, their "Red Acid" fat burner (discontinued now?) was very weak. I think I finished the bottle just to feel like I didn't waste my money. But my Scorch is sold out at the place I normally buy from, so I am considering the REDuction AM/PM formula. CL gets a pass from me simply because of Green Mag, probably the best creatine formula I've tried. Anyway, enough rambling, definitely try out Scorch-I am sure you will not regret it.

[QUOTE=nintendodude;214629811]
I am a fan of Controlled Labs' products, but I must confess, their "Red Acid" fat burner (discontinued now?) was very weak. I think I finished the bottle just to feel like I didn't waste my money. But my Scorch is sold out at the place I normally buy from, so I am considering the REDuction AM/PM formula. CL gets a pass from me simply because of Green Mag, probably the best creatine formula I've tried. Anyway, enough rambling, definitely try out Scorch-I am sure you will not regret it.[/QUOTE]

yes, REDuction is amazing and we have free samples, give it a shot, it blows away red acid of the past :)

I am 4 days in takin REDuction and I have had to stop as my spine has decided it hates me and wants to cause as much pain as posible.

I started a new diet cutting down but not ignoring carbs taking reduction and training 4-5 times a week 3 days weights 2 HIIT cardio. I did nothing to 'jar' my spine but all of a sudden all my joints have gone 'creaky'.

Has anyone else had this after taking REDuction.... I am not blaming it, I just want to try and rule it out as it is the only new addition to my diet!

Additional info. FYI. I went to the hospital and had tests on my heart, lungs and bloodpressure... all fine. I know its only 4 days into it but i'm pretty sure that it it was an ephidra based product they would have pulled me on blood pressure atleast. They did however crack my spine back into place which didnt help, which is why I am thinking its a joint swelling inflamed thing linked to something.

[QUOTE=toast.tm;214684371]I am 4 days in takin REDuction and I have had to stop as my spine has decided it hates me and wants to cause as much pain as posible.

I started a new diet cutting down but not ignoring carbs taking reduction and training 4-5 times a week 3 days weights 2 HIIT cardio. I did nothing to 'jar' my spine but all of a sudden all my joints have gone 'creaky'.

Has anyone else had this after taking REDuction.... I am not blaming it, I just want to try and rule it out as it is the only new addition to my diet!

Additional info. FYI. I went to the hospital and had tests on my heart, lungs and bloodpressure... all fine. I know its only 4 days into it but i'm pretty sure that it it was an ephidra based product they would have pulled me on blood pressure atleast. They did however crack my spine back into place which didnt help, which is why I am thinking its a joint swelling inflamed thing linked to something.[/QUOTE]

I took it for 60-daus straight... no problems here.

I wouldn't rule REDuction, does your spine hurt when eating raspberries? Pretty much the same thing in REDuction... keytones.

I work shift work and im wondering when i should take the reduction am/pm formula when my sleep patterns get all mangled. i work 8am-4pm, 4-12pm and Midnights to 8am what is the best way to work around this ignorant shift work. thx in advance

I just finished my Animal Cuts today, here is my very detailed review for those who wish to read more about it.

[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=110345851[/url]

Enjoy. It is very unbiased.

[QUOTE=jrstronge;214721871]I work shift work and im wondering when i should take the reduction am/pm formula when my sleep patterns get all mangled. i work 8am-4pm, 4-12pm and Midnights to 8am what is the best way to work around this ignorant shift work. thx in advance[/QUOTE]

Take REDuction AM before you go to work, take REDuction PM when you want to go to sleep.

Problem solved. ;P

Going to try REDuction soon. Price is unbeatable, CL as one of the only companies on bb.com has remained true to its mission IMO.

[QUOTE=Djin;214701341]I took it for 60-daus straight... no problems here.

I wouldn't rule REDuction, does your spine hurt when eating raspberries? Pretty much the same thing in REDuction... keytones.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough but rasberries dont cost $50

[QUOTE=toast.tm;214773321]Fair enough but rasberries dont cost $50[/QUOTE]

Understood. I was just saying do raspberries cause any issues?

It's strange to have something like that happen. Is it your back or the lower part of your bank? Around your kidneys?

u should not care that much about the price of a fat burner.. it is not a Whey.. ull not use it for a whole season.. Better Sup u buy.. less need of in the future

No they don't cause any issues. Its not my lowerback its the middle below my shoulder blades and above my lower back.

I am going to keep taking the REDuction as I dont want a break and have to start all over again although I did want to combine it with a better diet and training and the training can't happen now.

What would be good th help my joints stop clicking? Cod Liver oil?

[QUOTE=toast.tm;214684371]I am 4 days in takin REDuction and I have had to stop as my spine has decided it hates me and wants to cause as much pain as posible.

I started a new diet cutting down but not ignoring carbs taking reduction and training 4-5 times a week 3 days weights 2 HIIT cardio. I did nothing to 'jar' my spine but all of a sudden all my joints have gone 'creaky'.

Has anyone else had this after taking REDuction.... I am not blaming it, I just want to try and rule it out as it is the only new addition to my diet!

Additional info. FYI. I went to the hospital and had tests on my heart, lungs and bloodpressure... all fine. I know its only 4 days into it but i'm pretty sure that it it was an ephidra based product they would have pulled me on blood pressure atleast. They did however crack my spine back into place which didnt help, which is why I am thinking its a joint swelling inflamed thing linked to something.[/QUOTE]
that is very strange, never heard of it before and nothing in REDuction should cause that. are you taking any other supplements?
[QUOTE=jrstronge;214721871]I work shift work and im wondering when i should take the reduction am/pm formula when my sleep patterns get all mangled. i work 8am-4pm, 4-12pm and Midnights to 8am what is the best way to work around this ignorant shift work. thx in advance[/QUOTE]
am ones before breakfast, no matter when and pm ones before bed, no matter when.
[QUOTE=Bernardo;214725631]Going to try REDuction soon. Price is unbeatable, CL as one of the only companies on bb.com has remained true to its mission IMO.[/QUOTE]
thanks very much, looking forward to your feedback :)
[QUOTE=toast.tm;214773321]Fair enough but rasberries dont cost $50[/QUOTE]
neither does REDuction, its only 28 bucks on bb.com and only 25 bucks after the coupon code. :)
[QUOTE=toast.tm;214995571]No they don't cause any issues. Its not my lowerback its the middle below my shoulder blades and above my lower back.

I am going to keep taking the REDuction as I dont want a break and have to start all over again although I did want to combine it with a better diet and training and the training can't happen now.

What would be good th help my joints stop clicking? Cod Liver oil?[/QUOTE]
orange triad would be good for joints

After 4 days of the previously mentioned stack this is what i've noticed:

- Your body adjusts to the REDuction PM pill and you actually need less sleep, cause i now wake up 0.5h before my alarm goes off wide awake.
- Good energy through out the day, dont need coffee but still drink some cause i like it.
- Haven't noticed much diff in %BF but have put on over a kg of lean mass in 4 days ...

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;215099431]
neither does REDuction, its only 28 bucks on bb.com and only 25 bucks after the coupon code. :)
[/QUOTE]

I am really considering REDuction because I love WF and GM. So, what is this coupon code you speak of?

is it normal at all to feel a bit bloated from REDuction , LX , and Anabolic pump ?

[QUOTE=Rob Awesome;193006071]... Sub Q by Fusion Bodybuilding.
[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the positive feedback Rob! For more information on SUB-Q - check out:[url]www.beyondripped.com[/url].

[QUOTE=dvshane;215488721]is it normal at all to feel a bit bloated from REDuction , LX , and Anabolic pump ?[/QUOTE]

Hmmm... why take all three? REDuction has a diuretic, so you shouldn't be feeling bloated... Maybe it's the Anabolic Pump?

[QUOTE=Gym God;215587521]Thanks for the positive feedback Rob! For more information on SUB-Q - check out:[url]www.beyondripped.com[/url].[/QUOTE]

SUB-Q Rocks!

[QUOTE=dvshane;215419701]After 4 days of the previously mentioned stack this is what i've noticed:

- Your body adjusts to the REDuction PM pill and you actually need less sleep, cause i now wake up 0.5h before my alarm goes off wide awake.
- Good energy through out the day, dont need coffee but still drink some cause i like it.
- Haven't noticed much diff in %BF but have put on over a kg of lean mass in 4 days ...[/QUOTE]
REDuction PM is probably allowing you to sleep better throughout the night so you need fewer total hours.
[QUOTE=gatorman2k6;215463741]I am really considering REDuction because I love WF and GM. So, what is this coupon code you speak of?[/QUOTE]
its on the main forum
[QUOTE=dvshane;215488721]is it normal at all to feel a bit bloated from REDuction , LX , and Anabolic pump ?[/QUOTE]

nope

last year I used lipo-6 and it worked great for me , lost 20 pounds in 4 months, with a lot of cardio and a great diet. I went from 190 to 170 with 8 % fat. Then I made 1 year of lean mass, I mean big workout, lot of proteins, good supplements for mass, but still I kept a pretty stric diet to stay kind of ripped. So for the supplements I've taken ( in no particular order) . Animal Pack, Animal Stak, Animal M-Stak, Animal PUmp, Animal Nitro, Optimum Nutrition 100Whey, Animal Omega, Ascenta omega3, Muscletech Nano-VApor, BSN NO-Xplode, Gaspari PLasma Jet, GAspari Size on, Gaspari Novedex Xt, Vyo-Tech 17-HD, Universal Uni-LIver, and I think thats it lol. SO I went from 170 to 190 but only with 9-10% of fat. Now I'M starting my diet to be in contest shape So I'll take Animal Cuts, Gaspari Cytolean and Animal Omegas and my goal is to be 5% in a month.

[QUOTE=300zxttrider;216235161]last year I used lipo-6 and it worked great for me , lost 20 pounds in 4 months, with a lot of cardio and a great diet. I went from 190 to 170 with 8 % fat. Then I made 1 year of lean mass, I mean big workout, lot of proteins, good supplements for mass, but still I kept a pretty stric diet to stay kind of ripped. So for the supplements I've taken ( in no particular order) . Animal Pack, Animal Stak, Animal M-Stak, Animal PUmp, Animal Nitro, Optimum Nutrition 100Whey, Animal Omega, Ascenta omega3, Muscletech Nano-VApor, BSN NO-Xplode, Gaspari PLasma Jet, GAspari Size on, Gaspari Novedex Xt, Vyo-Tech 17-HD, Universal Uni-LIver, and I think thats it lol. SO I went from 170 to 190 but only with 9-10% of fat. Now I'M starting my diet to be in contest shape So I'll take Animal Cuts, Gaspari Cytolean and Animal Omegas and my goal is to be 5% in a month.[/QUOTE]

You love pills eh? All those Universal products, jeez.

Did you have any time to eat? hehehe. Are you professional or just crazy? I can't find time to work out with my 12 hour work days and sleep... I mean, I do it, but I'm always exhausted. Sometimes I wonder if I'm doing more harm then good at times.

But to take THAT many supplements... That's just crazy.

I started out at about 200 and am now about 185 and seem to have hit a wall. I'm currently taking creatine, and whey mainly but I also take fish oil and a multi everyday. I'm looking for a good fat burner to help me get past this point. I'm eating pretty clean, could always eat a little better, and I workout 4 days a week (M-Legs, T-Chest/triceps, TH-Back,bis F-Shoulders/traps). I've read that Lipo 6X is a pretty good product but I've seen on this thread that there are others as well. I was wondering what you guys would recommend. Thanks for the help.

[QUOTE=Djin;213266061]Guggle won't kill you, but I understand your point.

[/QUOTE]

does lipo 6x have that ingredient?

is lipo 6x good?

I just started REDuction 3 days ago, haven't really noticed anything yet but i'm sure i will. I was a firm believer/user of red acid for a year, been on green mag/bulge for 2 years, pw for a few months...i don't think CL could make a ****ty product if they tried.

Hopefully have results soon...only thing i have a question for CL. I've been on the palumbo diet for 3 weeks, been off of a fat burner for the first 2 weeks and just started reduction...supposedly stim fat burners raise the cortisol levels in the body which would not go well with the diet i am on...truth to this? i have lean extreme which id be willing to take until im done this diet and take reduction when i go back on a keto diet.

Thanks

[QUOTE=sirbobmontgomery;216968741]I just started REDuction 3 days ago, haven't really noticed anything yet but i'm sure i will. I was a firm believer/user of red acid for a year, been on green mag/bulge for 2 years, pw for a few months...i don't think CL could make a ****ty product if they tried.

Hopefully have results soon...only thing i have a question for CL. I've been on the palumbo diet for 3 weeks, been off of a fat burner for the first 2 weeks and just started reduction...supposedly stim fat burners raise the cortisol levels in the body which would not go well with the diet i am on...truth to this? i have lean extreme which id be willing to take until im done this diet and take reduction when i go back on a keto diet.

Thanks[/QUOTE]
if you liked red acid then you will love REDuction. it is a much better formula and more effective overall.

i wouldnt worry about REDuction effecting cortisol levels. living life and going to work effects cortisol levels too, but you do it because it helps you out and REDuction will cause more good than harm to your diet. :)

I've lost about 15 lbs. with cytolean in 3 weeks

I just ordered some Xenadrine RFA-X. I know I talked **** about Muscletech buying the company, but the ingredients looked good and I wanted to try it.

I'm going to stack it with Controlled Labs Blue Gene, Dandelion Root, Vitamin C, ON Pro Complex and a good multivitamin.

I would say 8 dollar viverin is as good as anything out there, I also like the Stizm but I have not used enough of it yet.

[QUOTE=Djin;216238511]You love pills eh? All those Universal products, jeez.

Did you have any time to eat? hehehe. Are you professional or just crazy? I can't find time to work out with my 12 hour work days and sleep... I mean, I do it, but I'm always exhausted. Sometimes I wonder if I'm doing more harm then good at times.

But to take THAT many supplements... That's just crazy.[/QUOTE]

Did you do any dead lifts or real back lifts while on REDuction?? My back still isnt right andI'm still creaking since taking it!!!

[QUOTE=toast.tm;217621621]Did you do any dead lifts or real back lifts while on REDuction?? My back still isnt right andI'm still creaking since taking it!!![/QUOTE]

While taking it for 60-days, I did a lot of back exercising, never had an issue...

hey i dunno where 2 post this, but hopefully the controlled labs rep or some1 knows. Just got in reduction few days ago, im taking the black pills 30 mins prior 2 bed with 10 ounces of water. First night i had 1 tablet and slept awesome. but i increased the dose to 2 tablets last night and had the worst sleep... I woke up sooo many times, didnt even feel like i slept properly.

Any suggestions? lol... mayb drop the dose back 2 1 tablet for a few days or a week then go from there? Im not 100% sure if its actually the reduction but its the only thing ive changed in my diet, apart from swapping from animal pack to orange triad...

edit: also i woke up like 50 minutes be4 my alarm even goes off both days... i set it for 6:50 and im up and pretty much wide awake at 6... and i also had some whacked out dreams lol...... like real weird?

[QUOTE=dvshane;214149061]Yesterday i started my Anabolic pump, Lean Xtreme, and REDuction stack. My training went really well, but i must admit my sleeping pattern was less than adequate. I woke up like 4 times during the night having has F*cked up dreams and didn't get all that much sleep. I took a lean Xtreme and REDuction PM pill on an empty stomach before i went to bed. Was that a bad idea ?[/QUOTE]

lol exactly the same as me... mayb i should hav some peanut butter with it??

[QUOTE=adam200;217726681]lol exactly the same as me... mayb i should hav some peanut butter with it??[/QUOTE]

That only lasted for 2 days, now i sleep fine and wake up even before my alarm goes off so im definately getting better quality sleep. I'm 1.5 weeks through my stack and im leaning out a bit on my abs and my pumps during training are still insane. I wouldn't want to get any more pumped or i wouldn't be able to hold any weights !

So i've been on REDuction for 6 days now..and I gotta say. Weight is staying down, getting stronger and shredding...BUT the best part is, holy ****! I'm sleeping like a baby every night. I usually have trouble sleeping. I wake up, then fall back asleep again for 2 hours!!!!

Loving it!

Has anyone stacked reduction and LX?

[QUOTE=adam200;217723801]hey i dunno where 2 post this, but hopefully the controlled labs rep or some1 knows. Just got in reduction few days ago, im taking the black pills 30 mins prior 2 bed with 10 ounces of water. First night i had 1 tablet and slept awesome. but i increased the dose to 2 tablets last night and had the worst sleep... I woke up sooo many times, didnt even feel like i slept properly.

Any suggestions? lol... mayb drop the dose back 2 1 tablet for a few days or a week then go from there? Im not 100% sure if its actually the reduction but its the only thing ive changed in my diet, apart from swapping from animal pack to orange triad...

edit: also i woke up like 50 minutes be4 my alarm even goes off both days... i set it for 6:50 and im up and pretty much wide awake at 6... and i also had some whacked out dreams lol...... like real weird?[/QUOTE]
keep it at the full dose, I dont think it was REDuction related
[QUOTE=dvshane;217841041]That only lasted for 2 days, now i sleep fine and wake up even before my alarm goes off so im definately getting better quality sleep. I'm 1.5 weeks through my stack and im leaning out a bit on my abs and my pumps during training are still insane. I wouldn't want to get any more pumped or i wouldn't be able to hold any weights ![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=sirbobmontgomery;217980481]So i've been on REDuction for 6 days now..and I gotta say. Weight is staying down, getting stronger and shredding...BUT the best part is, holy ****! I'm sleeping like a baby every night. I usually have trouble sleeping. I wake up, then fall back asleep again for 2 hours!!!!

Loving it!

Has anyone stacked reduction and LX?[/QUOTE]

awesome for both of you, the amazing REDuction feedback just keeps rolling in :)

viveran

[QUOTE=sirbobmontgomery;217980481]So i've been on REDuction for 6 days now..and I gotta say. Weight is staying down, getting stronger and shredding...BUT the best part is, holy ****! I'm sleeping like a baby every night. I usually have trouble sleeping. I wake up, then fall back asleep again for 2 hours!!!!

Loving it!

Has anyone stacked reduction and LX?[/QUOTE]

I've been running it for almost 2 weeks, its working well, im leaning out nicely ..

I too will say I have been on ReDuction for about 2 weeks, I feel great and I am down 2.5 lbs in two weeks.