Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

enlighten me on these: black china labs or designer supp.? I need to cut down midsection fat asap, diet is in check.

I just started taking SubQ from Fusion, 3 days ago. I can tell I like it already. My previous experience in fat burners include: redline (liquid), stacker2 w/ & w/o ephedra, xenedrine w/ & w/o ephedra, and now SubQ. I've only been back in the life for 5 months now with a weight loss of only 10 pounds. I thought it was time to get back in the fat burner market. After visiting the supp shop and researching online, I selected SubQ; mainly because of the amino acids that are included. Anyways, I know it has only been 3 days since I've been on the stuff, but I can tell my body is reacting to it. I can't believe I get the same rush almost on the same level as I did with ephedra but without the fuzzy feeling. It does take longer for the rush to kick in though, about 1.5 hour.

I have read from users and mfg that this product should not alter sleeping habits, but it has for me. But take this with a grain of salt. I can stay up all night with no problem with one cup of coffee as well.

best non-caffeine based burner?

I just stop taking V12, prior to that i was taking no-explode but need to loose the belly. anyone have any advice on what burner to take that has the same kind of workout energy as the no explode? or should I take a burner with another supplement?

[QUOTE=Juan+Lujan;108722161]I just stop taking V12, prior to that i was taking no-explode but need to loose the belly. anyone have any advice on what burner to take that has the same kind of workout energy as the no explode? or should I take a burner with another supplement?[/QUOTE]

I take VPX NO Shotgun PWO, and take Stacker3 XPLC(feels like ECA) a few hours post, this has helped with the energy.....also you could try Red-Line, seems to work well too(not a rep, just love their products)
Cheers and Happy Holidays
Kenny

[QUOTE=wit0005;98608621]I am currently taking 'iSatori Lean System 7' and, after 1.5 weeks, I'm VERY happy with the results. The effect that it has on my energy levels and stamina is fantastic and not so noticeable that you are crawling up the walls.
The company is quick to outline possible side effects, but i found that as long as you keep your water intake up, and have good quality proteins throughout the day; the side effects are minimal if any. I can actually see the shape of my body changing- purely because the pills have given me that extra bit of stamina to run and work out for longer....and HARDER!!!

I've only been on it for a little while, but i'll keep everyone updated once i'm done.[/QUOTE]

I have just ordered iSatori MX LS7 - will review once i start taking them.
Have tried Hydroxycut Hardcore - body temp increased, assisted in fat/water loss
Have tried MHP TakeOff - Not as effective (i think i prefer the liquid caps as opposed to the powdered ones)

im either going with nutrex lipo6x or map arson

But the trick is no fat burner will not work unless you eat right. I use allot of around the house burners like pepper and drinking allot of ice water. But I do take CLA.

The supplement shop i go to does not have a great variety of fat burners, and my debit card is messed up at the moment so i cant order online. So i have a choice between Animal Cuts and HOT-ROX Extreme. Which one would you guys suggest....or stack em both lol

rapidcuts

i hear cardio can burn muscle, does this idea hold any water?

Lipo6

on lipo 6 right now it seems 2 be cutting me up quite a bit, i take it in the morning before i run then again in the after noon 2 hours after lunch pretty good energy supplement.

p.s. you still have to eat right!! DUH!

[QUOTE=jaycat40;113265751]on lipo 6 right now it seems 2 be cutting me up quite a bit, i take it in the morning before i run then again in the after noon 2 hours after lunch pretty good energy supplement.

p.s. you still have to eat right!! DUH![/QUOTE

Well Lipo6 did not work for me. I take 2 in the morning when I go to work since I do a lot of walking and running around work. On the way home I take other 2 but by that time I'm so tired that the pills put me to sleep.

I remember taking StimX version 2 .... now that had a big kick when working out and running. I gues lipo6 is not strong for me any more since my body got used to it.

What other brand had a good kick plus also supress your hunger...

[QUOTE=mcpieps;112184491]i hear cardio can burn muscle, does this idea hold any water?[/QUOTE]

yes try to keep your cardio between 20-30 mins and if you have a heart rate monitor keep it in your target TARGET HEART RATE ZONE which i think is like 50%-60% or your maximum heart rate...treadmills usually have that **** right on them...you dont want to kill yourself during cardio..you should be able to talk to someone while doing it

I don't have much bodyfat but I just want to burn some off of my lower abs that I have never been able to get rid of in my whole life. I am very lean everywhere else.

Problem is - I don't want an appetite suppressant and I don't want to lose muscle. Is this possible?

I was considering CE3 Hi-Def because they claim it is the perfect mix of muscle building supps and thermogenic.

I am also considering Lipo 6 (or 6x), Amphetalean, and Tetrazene ES-50. I havent seen much discussion about Tetrazene, any thoughts?

I got a question. I heard if you take these fat burning pills, whether they be T3, clen, ECA, or even hydroxycut, that they will permanently affect your metabolism. This is due to the decreased need of naturally produced hormones that regulate metabolism, which then continues in the body long after you stop using the dietary supplement. For example

before pills:
10 cakes = 20000 calories = 20 pounds gained

during pills
10 cakes = 20000 calories -.20(20000) = 16 pounds gained
(Now the body reacts by inhibiting 20 percent of naturally released metabolism regulating hormones)

after pills
10 cakes = 1.2(20000) calories = 24 pounds gained, a permanent effect.

I think it's a load of baloney. But I'm just looking for someone to either give me advice on this or point me in the right direction.

Why not try HIIT?

If you guys don't mind me asking but what pills are good to take before working out to burn bf and have a nice big kick of energy...

al/clen buterol

Hey everyone, Im looking for a good ECA Stack for my girlfriends 2 off weeks from her albuterol/t3 cycle. anyone have any thoughts on "Sports One's Real Deal ECA-Stack" or "Hi-Tech's ECA Xtreme" ?

[QUOTE=AllBuffedOut;4628614]Stacker 2, no doubt in my mind. Take with aspirin, hell, take it with 2 aspirins and you feel like you just smoked crack. Heart races like a mofo, works great!

ABO[/QUOTE]

LMFAO!!

[QUOTE=KeepItSmoothBro;87446783]Venom Hyperdrive 3.0

The first time I took it, I was blown away. Ephedrine HCl just got to the point where you needed to show ID for purchases and I wasn't going to do that. The first day, despite my last dosage being at noon, I was up until 1:30 am. The amazing thing was that I was up at 5:30 am, feeling like I got a full night's rest. This continued for about two weeks until even three doses a day was not enough and finally, my sleep went back to normal.

The appetite suppressant is huge here. You have to force yourself to eat because if you're to rely on your gut, you won't be eating much. It is good if you have a structured day but once I went about 15 hours without food when I was going activities with friends and stuff. Not good.

The downside is that you need to be chugging water. If you don't, you will get excruciating headaches that take days to recover from. So keep a water bottle next to you at all times. Seriously.

This is my favorite.[/QUOTE]


I first started taking hydroxycut hardcore but eventually I felt my body got used to it and I also hated taking 6 pills a day. I then tried Lipo 6 but that only lasted for two weeks because I wasn't feeling as if it was helping. I then talked to the guy behind the juice bar at the gym and he suggested Venom Hyperdrive and what really sold me was you only had to take two pills a day right after you eat breakfast. Just like KeepItSmoothBro has stated, it works very well; I have noticed the best results from it, especially when I felt as if I hit a plateau. Also, when he mentioned being able to go 15 hours without feeling hungry, is not an exaggeration; you have to remember to eat because the appettite surpressant works that well. Lastly the headaches do occur so make sure you drink ALOT of water and don't forget to eat. I am now off hyperdrive and tried stimulant X because I wanted to try something new and test other stuff but it didn't compare at all. The last fat burner I am going to try before going back to hyperdrive is Leviathan Reloaded and once I receive my order and have tried it for a few weeks, I will post how I like it.

[QUOTE=cappym;115082901]I first started taking hydroxycut hardcore but eventually I felt my body got used to it and I also hated taking 6 pills a day. I then tried Lipo 6 but that only lasted for two weeks because I wasn't feeling as if it was helping. I then talked to the guy behind the juice bar at the gym and he suggested Venom Hyperdrive and what really sold me was you only had to take two pills a day right after you eat breakfast. Just like KeepItSmoothBro has stated, it works very well; I have noticed the best results from it, especially when I felt as if I hit a plateau. Also, when he mentioned being able to go 15 hours without feeling hungry, is not an exaggeration; you have to remember to eat because the appettite surpressant works that well. Lastly the headaches do occur so make sure you drink ALOT of water and don't forget to eat. I am now off hyperdrive and tried stimulant X because I wanted to try something new and test other stuff but it didn't compare at all. The last fat burner I am going to try before going back to hyperdrive is Leviathan Reloaded and once I receive my order and have tried it for a few weeks, I will post how I like it.[/QUOTE]


Hey Bro,

I had the same problem with Lipo6 it only worked for me for 2 weeks. My body got use to it.. I would fall asleep after 15 minutes taking it. Since you tried Venom Hyperdrive did that work for you? did you get any side effect from it. I'm looking for a new one. I use to take StimX that was very strong the second version.... I haven't tried the new one yet but I'm interested in Venom Hyperdrive and see if that helps me on my work out.

How was the enegry on that? Did it last a long time like the hunger.
Let me know that way I could look into it.

Malachai

For all you hardcore guys....this stuff is your ticket. For me, it was a ticket to hell. WAY too strong for me. Seriously...if you want to be JACKED ALL DAY, this would be the product to use. I only took 1 pill, and felt like I had done methamphetamine! And water-- you better drink at least a gallon a day. This stuff had me feeling unquenched with a dry mouth no matter how much I drank.
NOT for the stimulant sensitive....
Proceed with caution!

So far Venom Hyperdrive sounds like my kind of pill. I need something that will keep me pump up at work plus also when I get home I'm able to work out and sweat all this BF away...

So I have never used a fat burner before. What would everyone suggest for me (no hydroxycut hardcore)

Scorch?? Venom??

I would definitly suggest starting with hyperdrive. I found the energy to last for awhile and like I've said before you barely have an appetitte and make sure you drink TONS of water. Hydroxycut Hardcore is alright and not a bad starter but I would just go with venom hyperdrive it works great. Also its not that expensive ($40 a bottle of 90 pills) compared to hydroxycut hardcore ($80 a bottle for 210) however you only take 2 hyperdrive pills a day compared to 6 hardcore pills. Lastly you take the pills after you eat breakfast and once a day.

i just got some trimspa it curbs my appitite good but reviews dont sound good. thginkn bout something else. after i finish ill post a review.

[QUOTE=cappym;116843431]I would definitly suggest starting with hyperdrive. I found the energy to last for awhile and like I've said before you barely have an appetitte and make sure you drink TONS of water. Hydroxycut Hardcore is alright and not a bad starter but I would just go with venom hyperdrive it works great. Also its not that expensive ($40 a bottle of 90 pills) compared to hydroxycut hardcore ($80 a bottle for 210) however you only take 2 hyperdrive pills a day compared to 6 hardcore pills. Lastly you take the pills after you eat breakfast and once a day.[/QUOTE]



I think tomorrow I will see if i could get me a bottle of hyperdrive. Maybe I will read more about it just in case there is any kind of side effect or anything like that...

Thanks for the post.

My favorite is S.A.N. Tight. You only take 1 a day and it gives me bursts of energy all day long. I also don't get that awful jittery feeling which is always a plus.

palo alto leviathan

i saw amazing results with lypo 6

[QUOTE=admin;2805741]If you had to pick just ONE ephedra-free fat burning product, what would be the best one?

Please pick product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take fat burners, if you should take fat burners, or why some fat burners are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite fat burning product and give your detailed reason.)[/QUOTE]

I have tried and used Hydroxycut Hardcore & Lipo6 both with very little success. Plus other worthless crap...

The two I have used that have been the most effective by far are

Fusions Bodybuildings SUB-Q...
[url]http://www.fusionbodybuilding.com/subq/[/url]

AND

Scivations Dialene 4
[url]http://www.scivation.com/scivation_dialene.htm[/url]

A few years back would say Xenadrine & Taraxatone. Anyone Natural who was some one used this stack! Don't know what the hell happened to Xenadrine but Taraxatone still helps for the moment! I currently Cycle Tetrazene Extreme or Cytolean both kick ass! For you girls its important to Cycle a performance thermogenic 5 to 6 weeks with 2 or 3 weeks off! Remember we are what we eat. Spread them calories out ! Thermogenic's just help sharpen the pencil ! Keep up on Glutamine, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Omega 3, Isolate CFM clean protein!. Jack and the Beanstalk magic pill's only exist in a fairy Tail ! Lymbo

[QUOTE=lymbo;117839961]A few years back would say Xenadrine & Taraxatone. Anyone Natural who was some one used this stack! Don't know what the hell happened to Xenadrine but Taraxatone still helps for the moment! I currently Cycle Tetrazene Extreme or Cytolean both kick ass! For you girls its important to Cycle a performance thermogenic 5 to 6 weeks with 2 or 3 weeks off! Remember we are what we eat. Spread them calories out ! Thermogenic's just help sharpen the pencil ! Keep up on Glutamine, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Omega 3, Isolate CFM clean protein!. Jack and the Beanstalk magic pill's only exist in a fairy Tail ! Lymbo[/QUOTE]

Not too long ago the FTC sued Xenadrine, ( and Cytodyne ) along with the makers of TrimSpa for fraudulant claims.
Both claimed that their diet pills would help people lose weight without dieting and exercise.

The complaint names Robert Chinery, Jr., Tracy Chinery, and their company, RTC Research & Development, LLC, alleging that the New Jersey-based Chinery defendants made false and unsubstantiated claims for Xenadrine EFX, including that it was clinically proven to cause rapid and substantial weight loss and clinically proven to be more effective than leading ephedrine-based diet products.

According to the complaint, Robert Chinery commissioned several studies of Xenadrine EFX, none of which showed substantial weight loss. The complaint alleges that in one of these studies, subjects taking Xenadrine EFX lost an average of only 1.5 pounds over the 10-week study, while a control group taking a placebo lost an average of 2.5 pounds over the same period.

For awhile I think both pills were off the shelf, but may be back on now since they've made certain restitutions and changed their advertising claims...

Interesting! I doubt any one on here could comprehend that any way or even know who or what the FTC is! Lets not forget they think taking 75 grams of sugar out of a 100gr serving (CELL TECH) they will gain 40 lbs in a month and that's not false or an unsubstantiated claim? But thanks for the clarification. AND know one today makes outlandish wt lose & size gain claims? In fact its more absurd today then it was then ! Cytodyne's law suits ! Lawyers don't eat at soup kitchens. They wouldn't even blink at most supplement companies today! What would they get! Most wells are dry my friend! Open any top fitness mag! These guy's spend all there money erecting a condos at the Arnold with 45 undressed circus clowns! Lets not compare most of this industries tract record to the likes of Mr. Chinery! Not to for get his Brother started Cybergenics in the late 80's which was 20 years ahead of its time..Most of today's bath tub formulators make supplement moon shine with Jack and the Beanstalk fantasy claim's. I know I'm a girl but Iv been around this industry for long time. I'm very well read . I'm here to give a girls point of view on a male dominate forum. I hope you girls understood my first post! Eat good Try Cytolean or Tetrazene for added help!
I'm done with this matter. If you have a supplement question I'd love to help you if I can!

Hello all,

I was thinking of taking Venom 3.0... I wanted to get some feedback on what you guys thought about it. Here's the one I was thinking about.

[url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/****/hyper.html[/url]

What I need is a pill that will give me a good kick of engery, plus also supress my hunger... Let me know what you guys think about it ok.

[QUOTE=Malachai;118088781]Hello all,

I was thinking of taking Venom 3.0... I wanted to get some feedback on what you guys thought about it. Here's the one I was thinking about.

[url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/****/hyper.html[/url]

What I need is a pill that will give me a good kick of engery, plus also supress my hunger... Let me know what you guys think about it ok.[/QUOTE]

Why not try Venom 3.0 ? It got your attention some how! you said suppress your hunger ? You need to eat! If you can discipline your self to eat small meals like 5 to 6 a day you will see in time your so sick of eating by 6 /7pm you won't be hungry at night. ...Lymbo

I've been on the Meltdown and Vaporize for about a week and thus far I'm a fan!

A chance to experience the future:

[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=6673411[/url]

[QUOTE=Trapper;2904869]Actually, I bought a bottle of ephadra pills a few weeks back because it was all hyped up about them being banned on April 12.

What I found was that the fat-burners I had been taking before that - Stacker 2 - worked much more effectively. You can feel these working within 15 minutes of taking them.

Definitely when I finish this Ephedra bottle off, I am going straight back to the Stacker 2s.[/QUOTE]

I used to get what many call false energy from the ephedra that I used to take. Does this Stacker 2s give you the same energy?

EAS thermo dynamax. It is fairly natural compared to others too.

[QUOTE=russell70;61901001]I am trying Musclewerks DFine 8. So far this is very good at helping me lean up and control my hunger. This product seems to be doing what they say it will do.
Its hard to find and I have not heard any one talking about it.[/QUOTE]


I've started using DFINE8 as well and it seems to be the most effective fat burner that I have tried so far. It also has a good energy kick! It is pretty hard to find though, but I ended up calling their 800 number (18007307703) and they located a store near me within minutes. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=wakeboarder11;105575541]Ok guys I know this is my first post but im ready to give my personal review on 2 products.

First, lets start off with describing me before I say what worked the best. I wrestled for 4 years in highschool and graduated in 07. I did fairly well and made it to state even though i didnt end up placing here in california. Im 6'2, fairly built, and weighed 220 lbs as of 2 weeks ago.

I read through pretty much half of this thread to decide what fat burner to buy and i decided that most of everybody likes either Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 or Hydroxycut Hardcore. Lucky for you, ive now tried both of them and am ready to give my review on them.

About exactly a year ago i had to loose weight before wrestling season so that i could make my weight class. This was the first diet pill i used and it was Hydroxycut hardcore. Now, when i started taking it, even for my big size it gave me the jitters and i felt sick to my stomach the first week i used it. For me, the large dose of caffiene didnt really seem to give me energy but deplete my body of it. Its hard to describe, but i felt tired all day probably because my body was in overdrive trying to burn fat or something but i cant really explain it. When wrestling season started, i found that i had to stop taking it due to the high intensity practices my body couldnt handle the stress from the pill and the workouts and i was very tired in practice. It was very hard for me to stick to the diet and the pill and practice before season started, but if you have will power you can do it. Also, my bench did go up about 20 lbs while i was taking it and other excersizes did go up as well so i definatly wasnt loosing muscle while i was dieting. Despite this review, i must say that hydroxycut did design an excellent product. When i stopped taking it, i finished the bottle and lost approximately 20 lbs in a little over a month which is great. I ended up weighing about 195lbs at the end.

Now for my Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 review. I decided that i would try out venom hyperdrive this time around. I weighed 220 lbs as of 2 weeks ago and now I weigh about 212 lbs. I have to say that I absolutely LOVE this pill. Theres something about it to where i dont feel hungry AT ALL during the day, so i basically tell my self when to eat. I dont feel drained at all and i started out with the full dose on the first day and while i dont feel "wired" i do feel A BIT energized despite my decreased calorie intake. I dont get jitters at all and i really do think that this is how a diet pill should be. Its had amazing results in these 1 and a half to 2 weeks and i am definatly gonna stay on this untill i finish the bottle. I am working out about 4 times a week and am coaching my old highschool in wrestling so that makes up for my cardio. One thing with this though, be sure to drink alot of water because i dont feel as thirsty either for some reason so i am forcing myself to drink water whenever i can.

Overall, I would reccommend the Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 over the Hydroxycut Hardcore for the reasons listed above. I hope some of you could find this review useful.

-Tyler[/QUOTE]



Thank you for posting this. Tonight I'm going to order my Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 . it took me a least 1 week to really think about it. Hopefully this helps me out on my goal that I have for myself.

Good post!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I have tried a few fat burners, hydroxycut hardcore, cytolean, redline, and somethin that was in a green n black capsule lyposomethin that had 300 mgs of caffeine. Cyotlean made me feel the best, and was the best at reducing cravings, but in my opinion, caffeine sucks, cuz eventually you have to stop taking it, and those first 2 weeks cold turkey are a b*tch. the best results i have seen thus far have been from Tonalin CLA, as with all "supplements" you need to have your diet in check, and a proper exercise regimen, which i did, and i had lost weight, but i had kinda stalled in my fat loss progress, i was down to 210, and could start to see my upper abdominals, i know i was using creatine at the time so there was some water retention, but i didnt wnt sacrifice muscle gain by eating less, so i tried CLA, and i felt it worked great. i lost more fat and was still gaining muscle, i dropped down to 200 and could see most of my abs, for the first time in my life. in the time i was using CLA i went back up to 205 and still had the same amount of definition in my abs, and was starting to see more defintion elsewhere, such as striations in my shoulders, visible back muscles. i have since ran out of CLA and noticed my progress stopped likewise, so im on my way to buy another bottle, I think any CLA should work good, but FYI in used vitamin shoppe brand, as its the cheapest there and i get 25% off cuz i work there.

Anybody guys try topical fat loss products for hard to get spots like the stomach?

[QUOTE=surferbuild;122329151]Anybody guys try topical fat loss products for hard to get spots like the stomach?[/QUOTE]
I have always been under the impression that you could not spot treat fat but have heard some people give great reviews for Napalm.

Spot reduction doesn't work. period. Well, spot reduction does spot reduce money from your wallet.

What works is, cutting crap our of your diet. Reduce the calories you eat and increase the calories you burn.

I lost 75 pounds in 6 months. I have tried tons of supplements. I would recommend the following 2 in the order that I think they work:

1. Lipo 6
2. Sans Tight

You can't live on these things. They will loose the effectiveness.

[QUOTE=packetman;122967331]Spot reduction doesn't work. period. Well, spot reduction does spot reduce money from your wallet.

What works is, cutting crap our of your diet. Reduce the calories you eat and increase the calories you burn.

I lost 75 pounds in 6 months. I have tried tons of supplements. I would recommend the following 2 in the order that I think they work:

1. Lipo 6
2. Sans Tight

You can't live on these things. They will loose the effectiveness.[/QUOTE]

You're wrong 200%.