try some meth or Extacy, they seem to work great for fat loss. or tryt what they other guy said coke.
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try some meth or Extacy, they seem to work great for fat loss. or tryt what they other guy said coke.
If you want ephedrien HCL head to ur gas station its sold as a asthma med over the counter
[QUOTE=jasonk67401]Check out [url]www.cellucor.com...[/url] there D4 is really pretty good. Good energy and kills the app. also pulls out water weight.
Also like the Release Program from NDS. [url]www.releasediet.com[/url]
Solid company from Nebraska. Good weight loss products and they also offer a very good line of sports supplements. You will only be able to find their products at a private owned GNC.
Hope this helps somebody.[/QUOTE]
i agree, dude any cellucor product is good, d4 is good, also sci fits thermogen II
ABB speed stack RTD this stuff will hook you faster than anything I have ever used we cant keep it in the fridge at the gym, and if you drink three a day the appitite suppresant qualities are really good.
I'm stacking:
Lipo 6- Liquid Delivery
SAN TIGHT
CLA (now switching to Sesathin)
Dandelion Root (water shedding)
Lipoderm- Y or Ultra (transdermal)
Another good mix is:
Biotest Hot Rox
SAN Tight
I use Taraxotone 10 days before a contest to shed the H2O
I have tried RevXP & Thermoshred in the past.....ok but the above work better.
Happy training!
try coke like the guy said combine it with a fat burner, may work better then Ephedrine.
on the realness go to any gas station they have ephedrine.
well......im from the UK and i was recommended to take thermobol. which is from maximuscle. so i bought it and with strict dieting and cardio i lost amazingly 1 stone= 14 pnds in 2 months, some people lose more but i was overall pleased that i was losing something which made this product effetive on me, but not sure about you lot. ive herd about the fine£$£ that maximuscle were given so i waited until they got the all clear to chnge the ingredients and other stuff.
so i bought this product on 2005 june, and funny enough it says 3 a day. but for any thermogenic its better to start at 1 for the 1st wk then increase each wk until 3 dosages are reached.
well hope that helps!
TIGHT worked pretty well for me. It's a thermogenic fat burner. I lost about 35 pds. in about 2 months on the stuff. Of course I dieted and did a ton of exercise but it really helps for energy.
Ok Ive tried three
(4 weeks) HydroxyCut: it was Ok I lost abou what i was expecting to to
(2 weeks)Zantrax3: Commercial bull**** gave me a **** load of energy but thats it
(6 weeks) LeanFire: Amazing, it was a bit expensive but just alot more than i expected because of it im at the point now where im just needing to maintain which with my schedule and diet should be no problem
[QUOTE=PapaDaca]try coke like the guy said combine it with a fat burner, may work better then Ephedrine.
on the realness go to any gas station they have ephedrine.[/QUOTE]
Just wondering where u were from Papa. I've bought ephedine HCL at gas-stations in Kentucky, but have yet to find the **** here in Indiana (and Kentucky is a 4.5 hour drive from where I'm at. Maybe I'm just looking at the wrong places, or maybe the availability varies from state to state.
~C.G.
Just started taking ripped fuel already seems to be giving me alot of energy, I will report back in a week
Hey what can you guys tell me about animal cuts? A buddy and I both ordered a bottle.
[QUOTE=Tanqueray]Okay, I loved the effects of Ripped Fuel back in the day. Gave me such a good feeling taken prior to working out. Taking the old ECA stack pills really helped.
But ever since it was banned, I never found something I like. I've been SCOURING THESE BOARDS to see who likes what best (ephedra-free crap) But now I see some posts from folks using ephedrine/ma huang.
How do you guys get that? I loved it and had no probs with it. Been looking all over.
Seems the SAN Tight is popular (ephedra free)
thx
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Your best bet is to check out a local discount or smaller supplement place. Alot of times they dont display everything they have, and you could ask them if they have any of these products...worked for me anyways.
Well seeing as how Ive only seen positive things about Animal Cuts Ill tell about Day 1.
I took the pak at 5 and went to the gym and ran for 25 minutes, then I came home at 1 and took another pak and ran harder for another 25 minutes.
The pills make it seem like Im tweaking on Aderol or something, but it is really giving me energy to work, also it seems that I am not very hungry either.
Im only taking the Animal Cuts not stacking with anything but Green Tea. I've had 4 cups of tea and my daily 2 paks of pills.
Im about to go play Tennis, Im assuming I will have an abundance of energy.
Going low-carb (which works great for me) and taking the Animal Cuts, Im at 210 now and am trying to get to 180-185, maybe this 3 week cycle (21 days in a bottle) will get me there. If it does then this is by far one of the best products.
If anyone has anything to tell me about Animal Cuts Im very interested.
BSN's Creamy Vanilla
Anyone have a good stack they've used with Lipo-6? I'm about to start a cutting phase after an intense bulking month. I'm trying Lipo-6 with sesathin, but I was wondering if there was anything else worth adding to increase efficacy.
Nike running shoes ;-)
I started using Lipo 6 about a month ago but alternated with EC and I'm now able to see a bit more definition all over.
I use Lipo 6 on rest days while I use EC on days I know I'll be working out a bit more intensely.
So not to confuse anybody further I recommend both Nutrex's offering and the stack.
Having read through this entire thread looking for a definitive answer to the question of the best fat burner...I came up with the following supplements as generally agreed upon as the best:
San TIGHT
Lipo-6 (though some seem to think its worthless)
Man SCORCH
ThermoRexin
Sesathin
From those I am having a hard time deciding which to purchase.
I am thinking the Man SCORCH...but its seems to be an appetite supressant more than a fat burner..
I am currently 6' and about 188lbs. I dont know my BF% (ordering a caliper today) but would assume I am around 10% (based off the fact that I have a visible "4-pack" or top abs..but the lower abs arent as visible.) I am attempting to cut myself a little bit just to have slightly more visible muscle definition..
Just looking for a more definitive answer on fat burners....is there no best?
Thanks in advance.
Best fat loss without ephedrine:
Beverly Lean out stacked with 7-Keto Musclean
only problem is that this is f*ckin' expensive as sh!t.
[QUOTE=RogueLift]
Just looking for a more definitive answer on fat burners....is there no best?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
You're exactly right. There is no one best. There are some that are made with good, high-quality ingredients and some that are crap, but the one that's absolutely best for me might not be the one that works best for you.
[QUOTE=Cyrus317]Anyone have a good stack they've used with Lipo-6? I'm about to start a cutting phase after an intense bulking month. I'm trying Lipo-6 with sesathin, but I was wondering if there was anything else worth adding to increase efficacy.[/QUOTE]
Fish oil.
redline
is ther eny mass gainer withe out fat withe goode resulte
chicken
My personal favorite is Animal Cuts by Universal Nutrition. You can get it online at [url]www.animalpak.com[/url] It helped me in my qwest to lose over 110lbs. It is a product that you use in 3week cycles. each container has one to two cycles in it depending on how many packs a day you take.
[QUOTE=Emo Bodybuilder]Nike running shoes ;-)[/QUOTE]
I like that baby!
Xenadrine EFX(ephedra free), only the results matter. See it for yourself.
I just started with Hot-Rox and so far I am very pleased with the results. I get the feel that my energy is way up. On occasion though after workouts I find myself very jittery for a couple hours. Almost like I have ADD. Makes sitting through economics seem like the longest class ever.
THE best fat burner post ephedra is ****'s Venom. UNBELIEVEABLE!! You get the rush you need @ the gym & you NEVER want to eat, the appetite suppressing effects of this product are amazing!!
So far from what I've learned, CLA is not only a fat burner, but a fat blocker, and a muscle builder. I've taken 3000 mgs for the past month and lost 2 inches. I'm upping my dose to 4000 mgs this month......next month I'll try 5 and then 6. Wanna take it slow, but am seeing GREAT results with this thing.
Oh I've had Stacker 2 too..........that stuff gives ya quick "high" feeling. Tastes good......but I gotta wonder about that combination, especially with asprin added.....
USP Labs cAMPIBOLIC and C2 (stack) are great.
Thermorexin is a very close 2nd.
Avant Labs H.E.A.T stack and Phenogen are pretty hardcore fat loss supps
No one has had any experience with Thermo Hydroxadrine? Seems appealing to me. (cheap!) also, im 5ft 7, bout 150lbs. apprently i should only consume 450mg caffeien p/day. should i lesson the dosage of fat burner?i currently take AST Dymetradine Xtreme, 1 tab 3x p/day & take 1 extra before weight training. i sweat like theres no tomorrow pushing hard but i havent noticed many other changes. Occasional jump in the heart
I must agree with cAMPHIBOLIC from ******s. I also take there C2.
Tight!
what about Red Acid by Controlled Labs ??
Wouldn't VasoPro Ephedrine 25 mg (available from the bb store) and Hydroxycut (or any other HCA based/caffeine injected fat burner) stacked together make for an ideal combo?
Also, perhaps not as important a question would be: How about adding synephrine to the mix (if the "fat burner" doesn't already include it)? How about adding Yohimbe?
SAN TIGHT, at least for me. I have NOT used this. After reading page 1 through 12 i found the best things that meet my needs were in SAN Tight, Lipo 6 and MAN Scorch. But then I ruled out the ones that lean too much on appetite suppresant (Scorch and Lipo 6) and I was left with SAN Tight, since it claims to remove fat cells to "better burning ratio areas"...all in all it makes some miracle like claims, but I will give it a try. I took 6 months off any supplement to start clean and see if something like this really improves results.
I am doing cardio every other day for an hour and eating 4 times a day. Once I start on the SAN Tight I plan to change to 6 smaller meals, and keep the cardio. I lift weights everyday, but have not been achieving the ripped look I want. To keep it short I will give this one a try and post results on Dec 5th.
Starting at 252#, and 23%BF. I am 6'1 and trying to get to 220# with around 15% BF in three months.
Keep motivated, NOTHING comes easy, but if no partial results in 3 weeks, F*** IT, I'll save my liver for bourbon'! Damn right I don't mean the street in New Orleans!
[QUOTE=Husky2Hunky]SAN TIGHT, at least for me. I have NOT used this. After reading page 1 through 12 i found the best things that meet my needs were in SAN Tight, Lipo 6 and MAN Scorch. But then I ruled out the ones that lean too much on appetite suppresant (Scorch and Lipo 6) and I was left with SAN Tight, since it claims to remove fat cells to "better burning ratio areas"...all in all it makes some miracle like claims, but I will give it a try. I took 6 months off any supplement to start clean and see if something like this really improves results.
I am doing cardio every other day for an hour and eating 4 times a day. Once I start on the SAN Tight I plan to change to 6 smaller meals, and keep the cardio. I lift weights everyday, but have not been achieving the ripped look I want. To keep it short I will give this one a try and post results on Dec 5th.
Starting at 252#, and 23%BF. I am 6'1 and trying to get to 220# with around 15% BF in three months.
Keep motivated, NOTHING comes easy, but if no partial results in 3 weeks, F*** IT, I'll save my liver for bourbon'! Damn right I don't mean the street in New Orleans![/QUOTE]
Looks good, but I'm going to try Thermoloid fat burner because it does a lot of stuff like Tight! does but its almost 4 times the serving size. It burns fat, and blocks carbs/fat too, plus has the appetite suppressant. Will update. Thermonex is ok too, but maybe the serving size is a bit small.
san tight didnt do **** for me
yeah San Tight didnt do anything for me either. Didnt do anything different with how I worked out or ate. The results I got were just the same as not taking it.
I'd say Lipo-6 is good for not having ephedra, although everything out there is absolute crap next to the weakest ephedra pill.
Where do I get some????????????
what does everyone think of VPX redline???
Anyway I can see the results of this thread?? For example, can an admin post like a bar graph or just the ratings for all the different products that were listed here? Which was best, which was worse. I really don't want to sift through page after page, cuz it really gets confusing after 10 people suggest a product, only to have that same product being called sucky by the next 10 people.
red acid
scorch
[QUOTE=HYP3R]Anyway I can see the results of this thread?? For example, can an admin post like a bar graph or just the ratings for all the different products that were listed here? Which was best, which was worse. I really don't want to sift through page after page, cuz it really gets confusing after 10 people suggest a product, only to have that same product being called sucky by the next 10 people.[/QUOTE]
I dont know if retroactive polls are even possible on vbulletin. However, even if it were it would:
A) take awhile for 1 admin to pool all the data together
B) would as you mention, have 10 positive reviews for a product negated by the next 10 people claiming it sucked, etc.
I read all the reviews and narrowed it down to Redline, Scorch, Lipo-6 (kind of iffy according to the reviews here), ThermoRexin, Tight!
I ended up choosing Redline, and feel that it is a pretty solid product, more based upon my results with it giving me crazy sweats while I am working out, with a solid jolt of energy. Having said that, I am not stuck to it. Next time I think I want to try Scorch or Tight, if not an E/C stack. (this is not to say I wouldnt buy Redline again, but I also like to know that Im not missing out on other positive products)
Hope this helps, and unfortunatley, as you have figured out, there isnt going to be 1 resounding "product x is the best" on this board, different products work for different folks. Also some people are, believe it or not, paid/supplied with product for their positive public statements.
Almost all of these products have the same or similer ingrediants, lets take a look:
Synephrine HCL: (basically speed) gets your HR up, your BP up, your CNS going. This is what companies are using in place of ephedrine for the "speedy" effect, of course this chemical also reduces your appetite as anything with a "speedy" effect will. If you like jitters and high bp, youll love this...
Caffeine (anhydrous usp): its caffene, its in coffee, HR up, BP up, CNS up, appetite down. Too much and stacked with synephrine and you WILL start to jitter.
Guggulesterones: there soppose help burn fat, makes you sweat and feel warm when ingested, there are some interesting reports on this stuff if you search for it. Might work, might just be some crap that makes you warm.. lol
Yohimbine HCL: not a fat loss agent, makes me horny tho, i like it
Bioperine: not a fat loss agent, this increases the ability of your body to absorb nutrients, sounds good, i like it
NONE of these ingredients are direct fat burners except for maybe the guggulesterone stuff. They work SYNERGISTLY to HELP you loose weight.
Synephrine/Caffeine/any other speed = More energy, More likely to work out, do cardio, sweat, higher HR, therefore - higher metabolism - less weight.
mix that with Guggels to make you sweat more (you feel like your losing weight), yohimbine to make you horny (nice), and bioperine to help you absorb more vits/minerals (this is good for you) and you have a pretty decent SUPPLEMENT (i guess), But this stuff should SUPPLEMENT you woking out, and eating correctly.
THOSE ARE THE TWO FOUNDATIONS OF FAT LOSS:
1>Cardio AND Resistance training (cardio to increase your metabolism to burn fat) and resistance training to enlarge your muscles so they burn more calories.
2>Your diet. 6 SMALL meals PER DAY. 1 portion carbs, 1 protein.
YOUR SUPPLEMENT SHOULD NEVER BE YOUR FOUNDATION FOR FAT LOSS!
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ever!
(thats why its called a supplement)!!!!!!!!!
You absolutly, WILL loose weight if you eat like this and train like this.
The SUPPLEMENTS you take will HELP you along but your body needs to be put in the right "mode" to reduce your fat stores and increase muscle.
You could take all these supps stacked together (lipo-6, hot rox, surge, shoot, spit , fire, volacano) and it wouldnt do **** except kill you from an OD of synephrine/caffeine. and if you eat 3 meals of FAT and High Fructose Corn Syrup and sit on your ass all day, even if you only consume 1500 calories, you will get fat as hell. You would probably get fatter even if you ate 1 TIME a day, and all you ate was a couple bottles of soda and bige fries.
Learn how and why your body stores fat and sugar in fat and you will learn what NOT to do (which is what ANYONE who is fat is doing, by the way).
Try this: do the above cardo/training/diet. Take a supplement (fat loss) whatever one has the prettiest label (it doesnt matter)
and:
Remove simple sugars from your diet (including any white bread or cake or doughnut, or sugar in coffee/tea.
Get rid of anything that has High Fructose Corn Syryup in it, especially those damned workout drinks that have it (what a joke)
Drink more water (its not hard, just do it)
Do NOT eat ANYTHING fried damn it. Fish/Shrinp/Chicken Nuggets veggies, ARE NOT good for you after they have been cooked that way. If they were, we would all be eating fried protein shakes and loosing weight!!!!
DO NOT drink tons of OJ or MILK (way too much simple sugar)
Do, drink protein shakes 2 or 3 a day, do eat breakfast EVERYDAY, use splenda in your coffee instead of sugar or nutrasweet/whatever(they are neurotoxins), eat veggies EVERY DAY , baked fish/chicken/turkey/beef/ whatever, i would skip ham and no prime rib for gods sake. Eat oatmeal, or wheat bread, wheat pasta, baked potatoes, and other good carbs.
If a "fat" person where to follow just ONE suggestion above, they probably would loose a little weight
"(ive seen dramatic weight loss just by people switching from light and sweat coffees to skim milk with splenda)".
But if your serious, and you follow most of the suggestions, you will feel better, shed fat lbs like crazy, sleep better, have better sex, more energy, more focus, less stress. Anyone who begins doing all of the above and doesnt get results, email me, and ill come over and kick yur ass because you would be full of crap. peace
DB
I just joined this site, and i have a lot of questions. I lift a little, but not much since i graduated last year. I ended that school year with this:
Squat: 600lb
Bench: 360
Clean:225
I am looking to lose some fat, i am a big guy. I am taking HydroxyCut, the new formula, but i need a steady diet, and the what not to eat and what to eat guide. does anybidy have any advice?
does ephedra ever go bad? a buddy of mine has a bottle from awhiles who only used 2 pills... those 2 pills gave him the jitters so he let it collect dust... now im takin the bottle from him for $20... does it ever go bad?
xenadrine... right now im using an old bottle of stacker 3 w/ ephedra
Take a capsule, open it up. If the stuff inside is dark brown and hard, its stale, but it might still work. Take one and see what happens. If the stuff inside is light to medium brown and flaky or dusty its like new and should work fine. If its black, throw it away.
Take one to start off with and see what happens. The usual dose is 2 caps, 2-3 times a day. But start with 1x 2-3 to see how ya handle it. I could never take 2caps 3x a day, I would freak and doing that can not be good for your cns.
DB