Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

Animal Cuts,

Tried Animal Cuts once about 3 years back when my "cut" phase consisted of a lot of cardio following some weights in the gym. The result was that the diuretic made me appear like skeletor. My face looked gaunt, and the belly fat I had just looked shrivelled, with no real loss of fat. I also noticed a LOT of cramping on week 3, most likely because it was summer and I was getting nowhere near the water I should have been.

I'm now doing a different routine for cutting (I was definitely over training now), and think I want to try animal cuts again... Just a few questions, for the guys that know their ****, please...

1: I'm military now, and I wasn't before- Piss tests are often. Anything strange in Animal Cuts that's going to make me look like I'm doing anything I shouldn't? This is constantly a concern with supplements.

2: Caffeine: As per typical supplements, Animal Cuts doesn't list the amount of ingredient per dosing. I'm extremely sensitive to changes in caffeine. I'm more concerned, however, on the blowback afterwards. I get cripppling headaches if I don't ramp down, and they last a week. Anyone have any better info on the mg per dosage, since you're taking 2 packs a day? I don't want to get up above that 500 mg range/ day if I can help it. Thanks!

[QUOTE=spoonierme;448049071]Could Animal Cut be combined with REDuction PM?[/QUOTE]

sure thing. REDuction PM stack well with almost every fat burner (including REDuction AM ;) ) :)

[QUOTE=Cyrus317;448173881]Animal Cuts,

Tried Animal Cuts once about 3 years back when my "cut" phase consisted of a lot of cardio following some weights in the gym. The result was that the diuretic made me appear like skeletor. My face looked gaunt, and the belly fat I had just looked shrivelled, with no real loss of fat. I also noticed a LOT of cramping on week 3, most likely because it was summer and I was getting nowhere near the water I should have been.

I'm now doing a different routine for cutting (I was definitely over training now), and think I want to try animal cuts again... Just a few questions, for the guys that know their ****, please...

1: I'm military now, and I wasn't before- Piss tests are often. Anything strange in Animal Cuts that's going to make me look like I'm doing anything I shouldn't? This is constantly a concern with supplements.

2: Caffeine: As per typical supplements, Animal Cuts doesn't list the amount of ingredient per dosing. I'm extremely sensitive to changes in caffeine. I'm more concerned, however, on the blowback afterwards. I get cripppling headaches if I don't ramp down, and they last a week. Anyone have any better info on the mg per dosage, since you're taking 2 packs a day? I don't want to get up above that 500 mg range/ day if I can help it. Thanks![/QUOTE]

FYI..........Animal Cuts has been completely reformulated from 3 years ago:

[url]http://www.animalpak.com/html/sections.cfm?ID=10[/url]

There is nothing in Cuts that should be banned by the military although it would behoove you to check with them.

Each pack of Cuts has about 2 cups of coffee worth of caffeine. What is great about the new formula is that you have the option of leaving out the red pill which has the majority of the caffeine if you like. Also the diuretic complex is in the blue pills so you have the option to leave those out as well.

Let me know if you need anything else.

My buddies take it and they love it, but have no idea what it is...not that i do but can anyone tell me something that may be better than that?? I cant take it cause it messes up my stomach big time!!! Like burnin bathroom sessions...no fun! Is that a bad sign by the way??

i want to loose all body fat.. whats then best and fatest that will help me

[QUOTE=ka3s3r;449494091]i want to loose all body fat.. whats then best and fatest that will help me[/QUOTE]

cardio. good diet. lift weights.


pls go

I am very interested in taking a fat burner, I am trying to get in better shape for the summer. I have never taken a fat burner before, and I have been doing some cardio and trying to keep a clean diet. Is there any side effects to fat burners? After reading some reviews I am going to try animal cuts. I also just got about 3/4 of a bottle of mitotropin from a friend. Is there anything to be concerned with, or rules to follow(like drinking alot of water...etc) while taking either of these products. Sorry for all the questions, I have just always been skeptical of products like these affecting my overall health. Thanks in advance for the advice.

[QUOTE=brandon12345;449628241]I am very interested in taking a fat burner, I am trying to get in better shape for the summer. I have never taken a fat burner before, and I have been doing some cardio and trying to keep a clean diet. Is there any side effects to fat burners? After reading some reviews I am going to try animal cuts. I also just got about 3/4 of a bottle of mitotropin from a friend. Is there anything to be concerned with, or rules to follow(like drinking alot of water...etc) while taking either of these products. Sorry for all the questions, I have just always been skeptical of products like these affecting my overall health. Thanks in advance for the advice.[/QUOTE]
I think the most important thing is to be sure to follow the dosing instructions as listed on the packaging. There seem to be an inordinate amount of questions in this thread and others that ask "how/when/how much of" with regards to various supplements when most of those questions can be answered by reading the box/bottle. It's good that you asked about water. I think with many supps, some of the negative side effects are definitely caused or worsened by not drinking enough. This can be especially true of products with stimulants (like a lot of fat burners). Definitely drink AT LEAST a gallon a day. Other than that, just be smart (don't overdo stims, etc.), remember that training and diet do most of the work (it seems like you're already working on that), and don't forget to listen to YOUR body - everybody reacts differently to supplements. What worked for someone else may not work for you, and vice versa.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=spoonierme;448049071]Could Animal Cut be combined with REDuction PM?[/QUOTE]

i actually just ordered both, and they'll be the only thing i'm taking (besides protein) during a cut. might post a supplement log when i get them.

[QUOTE=psyvision;449712021]i actually just ordered both, and they'll be the only thing i'm taking (besides protein) during a cut. might post a supplement log when i get them.[/QUOTE]

If you do let me know, I will follow

[QUOTE=psyvision;449712021]i actually just ordered both, and they'll be the only thing i'm taking (besides protein) during a cut. might post a supplement log when i get them.[/QUOTE]

a log would be awesome

Anybody try John Scott's Nitro fat burning supplements?

I'm about 225, down from 248 a few months ago. I've lost 10 pounds in the last 3 weeks from working out and dieting, but was thinking of incorporating these pills to keep me motivated and looking better. I currently start with a meal replacement shake in the morning with L-Glutamine; a granola bar or something as a snack, a couple sandwiches for lunch, a whey protein shake before my workout, a protein shake with l-glutamine after my workout, dinner, and casein/l-gutamine before I go to bed. Does this sound pretty good? It seems to be working so far.

Also, are any of these supplements bad for the stomach? I don't see anything that warns against it but thought maybe you guys had some good answers. Thanks!

One more thing; I have difficulty swallowing pills due to a small eso****us, is it okay to take apart the capsules? I dont' see anything saying not to, and I also don't see anything saying it's a time-release system.

[QUOTE=AlphaBrass01;449698741]I think the most important thing is to be sure to follow the dosing instructions as listed on the packaging. There seem to be an inordinate amount of questions in this thread and others that ask "how/when/how much of" with regards to various supplements when most of those questions can be answered by reading the box/bottle. It's good that you asked about water. I think with many supps, some of the negative side effects are definitely caused or worsened by not drinking enough. This can be especially true of products with stimulants (like a lot of fat burners). Definitely drink AT LEAST a gallon a day. Other than that, just be smart (don't overdo stims, etc.), remember that training and diet do most of the work (it seems like you're already working on that), and don't forget to listen to YOUR body - everybody reacts differently to supplements. What worked for someone else may not work for you, and vice versa.

Good luck![/QUOTE]

thanks and repped.

So I've been reading up on these forums as well as using my own experience with products as a tool and I think I'm going to try this build:

-Animal Cuts
-NO Xplode / Apex Max Protein / Pain Killers(before workout)
-CL Green Mag (after workout/before bed)

I was reading on this forum about people stacking hydroxycut and REDuction PM.

Would it be smart to stack Animal Cuts and REDuction PM or just use Animal Cuts?

Fat loss is my primary concern. Muscle gain is secondary. I workout 6 days a week and have a 4-day cycle and do 2-2.5 miles of cardio except on leg days.

I've taken NO Xplode and Apex for awhile and have had a great experience with them so I'm definitely sticking with those products. I also took ephedra when it was legal and lost 26lbs. Since that is no longer an option I need a good substitute. I've taken CellMass in the past and didn't enjoy it at all.

Any thoughts/concerns/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

if i take the animal cuts and romove the pills that contain caffeine, will that affect my weight loss significantly.

[QUOTE=Defenbach;450412751]So I've been reading up on these forums as well as using my own experience with products as a tool and I think I'm going to try this build:

-Animal Cuts
-NO Xplode / Apex Max Protein / Pain Killers(before workout)
-CL Green Mag (after workout/before bed)

I was reading on this forum about people stacking hydroxycut and REDuction PM.

Would it be smart to stack Animal Cuts and REDuction PM or just use Animal Cuts?

Fat loss is my primary concern. Muscle gain is secondary. I workout 6 days a week and have a 4-day cycle and do 2-2.5 miles of cardio except on leg days.

I've taken NO Xplode and Apex for awhile and have had a great experience with them so I'm definitely sticking with those products. I also took ephedra when it was legal and lost 26lbs. Since that is no longer an option I need a good substitute. I've taken CellMass in the past and didn't enjoy it at all.

Any thoughts/concerns/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

yes, REDuction PM will stack well with either of them

I've been very interested in taking a fat burner more lately. I have a "pretty good" diet, drink 1+ gallon of water per day and take a great CL stack (ot,gm,gg,pw,bg,protein,fish oil). I'm around 5'8 and fluctuate between 155-160lbs lately. I want to shed off some fat around my lower abdomen region which i've been having trouble doing with diet, weights/cardio without losing muscle. Any recommendations on a fat burner that will help me lose some fat without making me lose a ton of weight or lose any muscle?

Ripped fuel. Not quite to hardcore but will help you shed 5 lbs for defenition

Hi, I have my first competition for best body in April and I 'm really confused and would like to maximize my workouts and build lean muscle and burn fat.

I was told to take Jack3d before my workout...this is very strong. Then I was advised Prototype 216 for amino acids and bcaa's. Are these ok to take together with a fat burner for a woman? There is so much information and supplements and it's very confusing.

Pre Workout:
Jack3d
Prototype 216
Ripped Freak - fat burner - is this good or hydroxy cut?
Glutamine

Post Workout:
Sytha 6
Vitamin E
Glutamine

I would love some advice!

[QUOTE=98zman;451225941]I've been very interested in taking a fat burner more lately. I have a "pretty good" diet, drink 1+ gallon of water per day and take a great CL stack (ot,gm,gg,pw,bg,protein,fish oil). I'm around 5'8 and fluctuate between 155-160lbs lately. I want to shed off some fat around my lower abdomen region which i've been having trouble doing with diet, weights/cardio without losing muscle. Any recommendations on a fat burner that will help me lose some fat without making me lose a ton of weight or lose any muscle?[/QUOTE]

REDuction will go very nicely with that stack you have above :)

[QUOTE=psyvision;449712021]i actually just ordered both, and they'll be the only thing i'm taking (besides protein) during a cut. might post a supplement log when i get them.[/QUOTE]

my package came (Fast!) edit: check the supplement logs section!

I've been using Animal Cuts for a few weeks now. The only other "fat burner" I've ever taken was the ECA stack, and I have a lot of experience with that, so I'll compare the two. Also, I only take 1 packet of pills a day instead of 2. I take all the pills, no separating them.

- Animal Cuts stimulant effect is awesome. I can feel it kick in and it gives me a boost without overwhelming me. It's like a Goldilocks thing - not too powerful, not too weak. Much better than ECA. With ECA it was like jitter overload and I felt like a wreck ALL day. It also made it IMPOSSIBLE for me to sleep, even when my body became more "used" to the ECA near the end of a cycle. When I take Animal Cuts I can still get a night's sleep. I suspect that I would have more trouble with it if I took two packets a day, but I only ever took ECA in the mornings and NEVER twice a day either, so one batch of Animal Cuts in the morning is still a superior effect to one batch of ECA in the morning.

- Animal Cuts' appetite reduction is negligent. This is in direct contrast to ECA, which reduced my appetite to 0. That's okay, though, because I don't have a big problem with overeating.

- Animal Cuts has a laxative effect on me. Does anyone else experience that? Shortly after I take it I have to "go" badly. I don't mind, I just don't want to overstimulate that particular system of my body.

- Not sure if it is actually burning any fat, but as a supplement (not the pillar of your fat burning, but a SUPPORT for your diet/exercise routine) it's excellent. I'd definitely repurchase just for the nice, balancing energy boost.

[QUOTE=kathelle;451398771]Hi, I have my first competition for best body in April and I 'm really confused and would like to maximize my workouts and build lean muscle and burn fat.

I was told to take Jack3d before my workout...this is very strong. Then I was advised Prototype 216 for amino acids and bcaa's. Are these ok to take together with a fat burner for a woman? There is so much information and supplements and it's very confusing.

Pre Workout:
Jack3d
Prototype 216
Ripped Freak - fat burner - is this good or hydroxy cut?
Glutamine

Post Workout:
Sytha 6
Vitamin E
Glutamine

I would love some advice![/QUOTE]

Not sure you want to be taking Jack3d and Ripped Freak together (I'm going to go out on a limb and assume there are stims in the Ripped Freak). Also, not a huge fan of Proto 216 for your BCAA's...Xtend or Purple Wraath is probably a better choice. Animal Nitro if you prefer to get your amino's in pill form (I don't).

What exactly are you looking for in a burner (since this is the burner thread)? Energy? Non-stim burning? Advice would depend a lot on what you would prefer.

On a side note: The Syntha 6 and Jack3d are pretty decent products.

Another of the former Slim Xtreme fanatics here.. I've heard about a new Stimulant X coming out and thinking about giving it a shot when I find it. Anyone tried it with opinions on how it compares to Slim Xtreme? Thinking about giving it a run with Green Bulge Blue Up and Reduction PM. Any ideas if it's recommended to stack Lean FX with this new Stimulant X like it was before?

[QUOTE=dlv92;400171781]I don't know much about it but I'v heard that "recreate" by usp labs is really good and safe its average price is 60 but you can get it at the vittamine shoppe for 40
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I've had decent results with this actually, i was sort of surprised. I didn't expect much results wise from it. Not the best product on the market for fat burning, but isn't bad for the price.

Hey all I've also asked this question in the "Overall NO Product" topic...but I was wondering if it would be ok to take White Flood along with Animal Cuts?...or is there too much stimulant between both supplements? Would like the Flood to help with my lifting while the Cuts benefits my cardio. Or is this just out of the question....I do my cardio right after lifting...so my plan was to down the Cuts with my flood shake. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Kurt Hustle;454306691]Hey all I've also asked this question in the "Overall NO Product" topic...but I was wondering if it would be ok to take White Flood along with Animal Cuts?...or is there too much stimulant between both supplements? Would like the Flood to help with my lifting while the Cuts benefits my cardio. Or is this just out of the question....I do my cardio right after lifting...so my plan was to down the Cuts with my flood shake. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]

A-Cuts stacks with A-Pump so I'd assume it would be fine with any other pre-workout supplement. If anything, I'd just be careful to space them out so that you're not taking your fat burner and pre-WO supp too close together..

On my first bottle of OxyElite Pro

Great energy so far with no jitters at all

Also stacking with REDuction PM, will post results after cycle

[QUOTE=Colossal Spoons;454444751]A-Cuts stacks with A-Pump so I'd assume it would be fine with any other pre-workout supplement. If anything, I'd just be careful to space them out so that you're not taking your fat burner and pre-WO supp too close together..[/QUOTE]

Thats what I'm concerned with ....I was going to take my Animal Cuts along WITH the White Flood before going to the gym as I do my lifting then immead. followed by cardio. So taking the White Flood along with my first pack of Cuts probably wouldn't be a good idea?

[QUOTE=onestyles;454168691]Another of the former Slim Xtreme fanatics here.. I've heard about a new Stimulant X coming out and thinking about giving it a shot when I find it. Anyone tried it with opinions on how it compares to Slim Xtreme? Thinking about giving it a run with Green Bulge Blue Up and Reduction PM. Any ideas if it's recommended to stack Lean FX with this new Stimulant X like it was before?[/QUOTE]
just make sure to get the blue up stim free
[QUOTE=Kurt Hustle;454306691]Hey all I've also asked this question in the "Overall NO Product" topic...but I was wondering if it would be ok to take White Flood along with Animal Cuts?...or is there too much stimulant between both supplements? Would like the Flood to help with my lifting while the Cuts benefits my cardio. Or is this just out of the question....I do my cardio right after lifting...so my plan was to down the Cuts with my flood shake. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]
sure, just take the stims out of the cuts pack you use close to white flood.
[QUOTE=MikeDC82;454497891]On my first bottle of OxyElite Pro

Great energy so far with no jitters at all

Also stacking with REDuction PM, will post results after cycle[/QUOTE]
awesome, REDuction PM stacks well with almost every other fat loss product on the market
[QUOTE=Kurt Hustle;454503091]Thats what I'm concerned with ....I was going to take my Animal Cuts along WITH the White Flood before going to the gym as I do my lifting then immead. followed by cardio. So taking the White Flood along with my first pack of Cuts probably wouldn't be a good idea?[/QUOTE]

see above