Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;482565211]ephedra is a drug and can be dangerous, which is why many avoid it. also hard to come by unless you go to a drug store and show your license.


we dont suggest using any of our products with 1,3 dimeth. in general you wouldn't want to stack two stim based fat burners anyway[/QUOTE]

thanks for the quick response, what about the pm pills i see alot of people using it with other burners can i use only the night time pill with oxyelite pro? i tried it, i had great sleep and good results in the gym, lots of energy considering im so out of shape...doing intervals for a half hour...

Neogenix velocity xt!!!!

[QUOTE=david8613;482852211]thanks for the quick response, what about the pm pills i see alot of people using it with other burners can i use only the night time pill with oxyelite pro? i tried it, i had great sleep and good results in the gym, lots of energy considering im so out of shape...doing intervals for a half hour...[/QUOTE]

with other stim burners its fine. we just dont recommend using our products with those that contain 1,3 dimeth in any case

has anybody used USP labs Oxy ELite Pro?

Forgive if this has been answered, but I have looked everywhere. I am almost 40 and looking to lose about 20lbs to get back to what I consider my healthy weight (175lb). 12 years ago I used Hydroxycut (with ephedra) with an andro boost (another banned supp) with good effect. Since then I have developed a blood pressure and thyroid problem, but they are controlled by meds (fairly low doses comparitively speaking) with multiple yearly physicals. My wieght has been basically stagnant for the past 4 years despite a change in diet and exercise and looking for a jumpstart to rekick things into gear.

I have tried Xanthrax 3 (sp?) and didn't like it too much. Tried the newer Hyrdoxycut (did nothing). Currently taking NOXplode, plus a multi-vitamin, fish oil, and Triflex (none of which are wieght loss related) and sometimes Gakic if I will be doing short burst intensity type training (like plyo or heavy bag).

I normally get up between 5 and 5:30 and will either exercise at 10:00 or right when I wake up.

Looking at ReDuction, Animal Cuts or this newer QNT product but have been confused by some of the posts as to which would work best (or combination like AC and RedPM) but are also safe for those with controlled medical issues. I should mention that caffiene is not a problem for me as I daily take far more caffiene than what is in any of them. Also, the NOXplode and others has had no negative effect on any of my blood tests or BP tests.

Ok... Over the years I've tried A LOT of different diet pills. Right now I'm on Meltdown. So far I like it! I can't tolerate too much stimulant so this works and doesn't make me shaky! I'm trying to figure out if this is the best thing I can be on or if there is something out there that is going to help me burn fat faster without getting shaky?

[QUOTE=djon2;483994471]Forgive if this has been answered, but I have looked everywhere. I am almost 40 and looking to lose about 20lbs to get back to what I consider my healthy weight (175lb). 12 years ago I used Hydroxycut (with ephedra) with an andro boost (another banned supp) with good effect. Since then I have developed a blood pressure and thyroid problem, but they are controlled by meds (fairly low doses comparitively speaking) with multiple yearly physicals. My wieght has been basically stagnant for the past 4 years despite a change in diet and exercise and looking for a jumpstart to rekick things into gear.

I have tried Xanthrax 3 (sp?) and didn't like it too much. Tried the newer Hyrdoxycut (did nothing). Currently taking NOXplode, plus a multi-vitamin, fish oil, and Triflex (none of which are wieght loss related) and sometimes Gakic if I will be doing short burst intensity type training (like plyo or heavy bag).

I normally get up between 5 and 5:30 and will either exercise at 10:00 or right when I wake up.

Looking at ReDuction, Animal Cuts or this newer QNT product but have been confused by some of the posts as to which would work best (or combination like AC and RedPM) but are also safe for those with controlled medical issues. I should mention that caffiene is not a problem for me as I daily take far more caffiene than what is in any of them. Also, the NOXplode and others has had no negative effect on any of my blood tests or BP tests.[/QUOTE]

if you are looking into taking REDuction am/pm, contact your doctor first :)

Erogoburn by ergogenix. I'm just about done with my log on it and loved it. This combined with a high protein diet and working out has made my six pack stick out.

coffee will work fine.... 2 cups b4 you run... Thats all you need people... and some heart and drive perhaps

Hi all and please forgive me if this has been asked.

I am currently a week into my first ever experience with Animal Cuts. Just wondering from those who have taken it before:

Did you notice extreme appetite suppressant while taking? I know this varies person to person, but I am normally hungry all the time but since taking this stuff for a week I don't feel hungry hardly AT ALL!!!

Other than a slight hungar when first waking, I have to force myself to eat the rest of the day.

Just curious about others' experiences.

Thanks

Been taking Animal cuts for a few months now (with the 1 week rest period) and I have lost a few pounds. However, ive also ate a lot cleaner and worked out more with focus on cardio and weight loss then muscle gain (a notiecable loss in muscle size). So I may have gotten the same results without the supp.

Before buying another 2 month supply I wanted to see if anyone has taken animal cuts and another stack and if they experienced better results with the other supplement.

On a side note, water consumption is very important specifically when taking cuts. Is this strictly to ensure your kidney isnt being adversely affected? I know water helps reduce appetite but if that were the reason for the suggestion then it wouldnt pertain specifically to Cuts. I remember someone saying that the large ammount of water consumed would "carry the fat away" than would remain if not washed out by the water but that just sounds rediculous.

Arson is pretty good...by Muscle Asylum Project

[QUOTE=truckertim;483235601]has anybody used USP labs Oxy ELite Pro?[/QUOTE]

Yup i just finished taking it and really enjoyed it. I have taking a fair share of fat burners in the passed. I felt like this one had a noticeable appetite suppression...the rest really never did that to me. But it seemed to go away after the first couple weeks. But as long as you have a proper diet and exercise i feel Oxy Elite Pro worked very good. I stacked it with Lean Xtreme and Reduction PM. Lean Xtreme has always seemed to work great when i stack it with a stim fat burner.

I had 2 bottles of each...so it would have been an 8 week cut with it. But i beleive i stopped somewhere around 6 weeks. Reason being is cause i was already very happy with how much i lost and i wanted to get my 4 weeks off so i could start what i wanted to do next sooner. I dropped from around 200lb to around 185lb.

REDuction AM/PM was also something else i was pleased with when i took it last year.

[QUOTE=EvolutionIX;486707751]Yup i just finished taking it and really enjoyed it. I have taking a fair share of fat burners in the passed. I felt like this one had a noticeable appetite suppression...the rest really never did that to me. But it seemed to go away after the first couple weeks. But as long as you have a proper diet and exercise i feel Oxy Elite Pro worked very good. I stacked it with Lean Xtreme and Reduction PM. Lean Xtreme has always seemed to work great when i stack it with a stim fat burner.

I had 2 bottles of each...so it would have been an 8 week cut with it. But i beleive i stopped somewhere around 6 weeks. Reason being is cause i was already very happy with how much i lost and i wanted to get my 4 weeks off so i could start what i wanted to do next sooner. I dropped from around 200lb to around 185lb.

REDuction AM/PM was also something else i was pleased with when i took it last year.[/QUOTE]



Out of the two stacks 1.oxy elite pro/lean extreme/reduction pm or the simeple reduction am/pm which did you see the best results from?

[QUOTE=bly3;486746641]Out of the two stacks 1.oxy elite pro/lean extreme/reduction pm or the simeple reduction am/pm which did you see the best results from?[/QUOTE]

Well i took the REDuction AM/PM last year...and i believe i also stacked that with Lean Xtreme. So the major difference between the 2 cuts would have been using Reduction AM for my stim last time around, and using Oxy Elite Pro as my stim this time around...as both times Lean Xtreme and Reduction PM where included.

Both worked well. I know last year i cut down from mid 190's to mid 170's. But this was also using 11-oxo after my reduction am/pm. Used that to try and get the last bit off. So a loss of about 20lb. Now im already 15lb if not more down from my starting weight which was around 200, and all i used was oxy elite pro with lean xtreme and reduction pm for about 6 weeks. Im taking 4 weeks off and gonna do a 40 day cycle of 11-oxo. I weight more than i did last year but at 185ish now i look almost the same as i did last year at 175ish (body fat wise). Strength is up and i have more muscle this time around.

I say try either one. Both worked well. I felt Oxy Elite/Lean Xtreme/Reduction PM worked very well though. But remember the fat loss supps won't do crap if you don't diet and exercise properly. Those are more important than supps.

[QUOTE=EvolutionIX;486754451]Well i took the REDuction AM/PM last year...and i believe i also stacked that with Lean Xtreme. So the major difference between the 2 cuts would have been using Reduction AM for my stim last time around, and using Oxy Elite Pro as my stim this time around...as both times Lean Xtreme and Reduction PM where included.

Both worked well. I know last year i cut down from mid 190's to mid 170's. But this was also using 11-oxo after my reduction am/pm. Used that to try and get the last bit off. So a loss of about 20lb. Now im already 15lb if not more down from my starting weight which was around 200, and all i used was oxy elite pro with lean xtreme and reduction pm for about 6 weeks. Im taking 4 weeks off and gonna do a 40 day cycle of 11-oxo. I weight more than i did last year but at 185ish now i look almost the same as i did last year at 175ish (body fat wise). Strength is up and i have more muscle this time around.

I say try either one. Both worked well. I felt Oxy Elite/Lean Xtreme/Reduction PM worked very well though. But remember the fat loss supps won't do crap if you don't diet and exercise properly. Those are more important than supps.[/QUOTE]



Thanks, appreciate the input. My routine is pretty solid right now (Lift 45 mins and boxing training for an hr right after.. 3 days a week and lift 45/run 30 2 days a week). Diet is clean but gotta eliminate some of the laziness of not cooking full meals and having to rely on the **** around work..

would animal cuts stacked with REDuction pm and man vaporize for some good fatty acids be a good stack?

[QUOTE=EvolutionIX;486754451]Well i took the REDuction AM/PM last year...and i believe i also stacked that with Lean Xtreme. So the major difference between the 2 cuts would have been using Reduction AM for my stim last time around, and using Oxy Elite Pro as my stim this time around...as both times Lean Xtreme and Reduction PM where included.

Both worked well. I know last year i cut down from mid 190's to mid 170's. But this was also using 11-oxo after my reduction am/pm. Used that to try and get the last bit off. So a loss of about 20lb. Now im already 15lb if not more down from my starting weight which was around 200, and all i used was oxy elite pro with lean xtreme and reduction pm for about 6 weeks. Im taking 4 weeks off and gonna do a 40 day cycle of 11-oxo. I weight more than i did last year but at 185ish now i look almost the same as i did last year at 175ish (body fat wise). Strength is up and i have more muscle this time around.

I say try either one. Both worked well. I felt Oxy Elite/Lean Xtreme/Reduction PM worked very well though. But remember the fat loss supps won't do crap if you don't diet and exercise properly. Those are more important than supps.[/QUOTE]
awesome, glad you enjoyed REDuction am/pm so much :)
[QUOTE=robertmm94;487202251]would animal cuts stacked with REDuction pm and man vaporize for some good fatty acids be a good stack?[/QUOTE]
sure, but for only 10 bucks more you can get the full REDuction am/pm stack ;)

Would reduction am/pm be comparable to animal cuts? Then you add the lean xtreme to either or does the animal cuts eliminate the need for lean extreme?

Also, does reduction am/pm have a diuretic in it like animal cuts?

Controlled Labs, does your REDuction AM/PM stack sold in Europe have exactly the same amount of ingredients as the US version?

Unfortunately Animal Cuts in EU is pretty far away from Cuts you guys have in US.

Just google thermalene and look at some reviews...

Thermalene is by Syn-Tec Sports Nutrition and can be found on the SynTecOnline website..

[QUOTE=bly3;487583161]Would reduction am/pm be comparable to animal cuts? Then you add the lean xtreme to either or does the animal cuts eliminate the need for lean extreme?

Also, does reduction am/pm have a diuretic in it like animal cuts?[/QUOTE]
we cant compare products, its against board rules.

REDuction does have a light diuretic in it
[QUOTE=spartamuscle;488050521]Controlled Labs, does your REDuction AM/PM stack sold in Europe have exactly the same amount of ingredients as the US version?

Unfortunately Animal Cuts in EU is pretty far away from Cuts you guys have in US.[/QUOTE]
yes, REDuction only has one formula if you find it in tablets. Australia has a different formula and is in powder

Finally got my Reduction am/pm. I just take 2 AM's before working out and 2 PM's before going to bed, right?

Testing OxyELITE Pro (oep) atm (2nd day), results are very promising :D

[QUOTE=bly3;487583161]Would reduction am/pm be comparable to animal cuts? Then you add the lean xtreme to either or does the animal cuts eliminate the need for lean extreme?

Also, does reduction am/pm have a diuretic in it like animal cuts?[/QUOTE]

They are very different products. There is nothing really like Animal Cuts on the market. In my opinion it's the most complete and flexible fat burner available.

Lean Xtreme is a different type product and stacks very well with Animal Cuts.

[QUOTE=Fait;489296921]Finally got my Reduction am/pm. I just take 2 AM's before working out and 2 PM's before going to bed, right?[/QUOTE]

2 AM before breakfast or lunch. 2 PM before dinner or before bed.

The Lean Xtreme says 1 tablet 2-4 times daily which obviously is quite a difference. What do you guys recommend dosage wise stacking with OEP/Reduction PM. I was thinking taking 3 a day since I would be taking 3 OEP a day as well. 90 caps in both bottles leaving aneven 30 day dosage (plus a few days to make up for taking only 2 to test the tolerance).

Tried Animal Cuts without much success. I work out 5 days a week. Going back to the EC stack.

Thanks CL! I started taking the PM last night and the AM this morning, ill be posting my weight loss results soon as i finish the supplements.

[QUOTE=bly3;489539181]The Lean Xtreme says 1 tablet 2-4 times daily which obviously is quite a difference. What do you guys recommend dosage wise stacking with OEP/Reduction PM. I was thinking taking 3 a day since I would be taking 3 OEP a day as well. 90 caps in both bottles leaving aneven 30 day dosage (plus a few days to make up for taking only 2 to test the tolerance).[/QUOTE]

Dude, you should really take a break! Taking 3 OEP's a day + another 2-4 weight loss pills? Thats like suicide!

Lol and I was thinking about 1 Oep for 2 days because of its power!


I have to say I'm really impressed with OEP. I was gonna wait to take them untill my crosstrainer was fixed. But I'm just starting my 3rd day and I already lost 2.1kg (1.4kg+0.7kg) weight without even training. It's almost as good as slimxtreme, maybe its as good I'll have to wait and see.