Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

You guys need to check out Thermoloid, I'm currently a tester for the product. I've lost 9 pounds in 8 days: [url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=638159[/url]

It's a 14 day supply, after I'm finished I'll be posting some after pics.

Ya post some before and after pics with dates on them. BTW, what part of Texas do you live?

[QUOTE=HYP3R]Ya post some before and after pics with dates on them. BTW, what part of Texas do you live?[/QUOTE]


Fort Worth, how about you?

[QUOTE=admin]If you had to pick just ONE ephedra-free fat burning product, what would be the best one?
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I would have to say VPX redline. This stuff is comparable to doing lines of crank. Just be careful with it.

Like Marshal. I too take Thermoloid. I love this product! No shakes or jitters and no "crash" when it is done! I was 218lbs and now I am 210lbs. Lost 8 lbs in the same time frame as Marshall. Have a few more Thermoloid pills left so I will post my after pics as soon as I am finished. My Thermoloid log link is in my sig.

Try it, you'll like it!

Biotest MD6 was the best ever.. I still had a few left from the original batch from a few years ago... Took one this morning. Hoooooo SNAP! :D

I have been useing Ephedrine for about 7 years (25mil and 200-400 mil of caffine). I use no more than 100 mil of ephadrine a day and will be useing about 5 days a week. Has anyone herd of any "psychotic episodes" while DRINKING AND USEING EPHADRINE?

"WMore than 60 adverse events — suicide, psychotic episodes, seizure, stroke and cardiovascular events ranging from hypertension to myocardial infarction — have been reported in Canada.2 hen I just "

It depends on your genetic make up. Lipo-6 didn't do much for me, but SAN Tight kicked butt. If you stack CLA with any of those you should see positive results. CLA is the bomb!

I just recently finished a log on Thermoloid. In 15 days on this thermogenic, i lost 3% bodyfat, but i was maintaining a 100% diet and training 4-5 days a week. Check out the log in my signature if you want to see before and after pictures.

Even when i finished the log i was skeptical, but the before and after pictures and the numbers made me a firm believer in the product. I'm definately goin to use it in the future.

Well Gentlemen, I have been fighting this mighty battle pretty much since my birth, so I empathize with ya'll. I've tried just about everything, including exercise til exhaustion, and I'm almost to the point of resigning myself to surgery, but not quite yet. So here is my experiences with exercise and supps:

First, let me state I think my problem is the result of a genetically slow metabolism. My body temp is below normal (by about 3 degrees), my heart beat tends to stay pretty low (take 10 minutes of hard-hard running before it decides to bounce over 128, which is considered to be my fat burning zone), and I'm always tired. Add that to the fact that everyone in my family is fat, and there ya go.

But, all is not lost! In 8th grade, I was 5'4" 190 lbs! That's about the time I took up heavy athletics. Over the course of about 5 months I had dropped to 150 lbs. with no supps. Of course, I was doing wrestling, track, football, and weight training. As anyone will tell you, the key to losing weight is staying physically active, but that is not really what this thread is about.

Now, how to supplement activity to burn weight... That's a little tougher. I started back in the day with the old Hydroxycut. That's BEFORE the ephedra ban. The stuff did wonders to suppress my apetite and even gave me some energy without to many jitters. But, there was a caveat. I didn't understand my body then, so I would simply NOT eat while the hydroxycut suppressed my appetite. BAD IDEA. This slows down your metabolism, as your body (from years of evolution) goes into conservation mode and starts burning unused muscle instead of fat. If if does this, you'll just start to look gaunt and have that those fat deposits bulging from your skin and bones. Do like you've seen on these board and eat somewhere between 4-6 meals a day, small in portion and fat, but high in nutrients. Also, supplement it with a multivitam. Nutrients like Chromium and Iron will help your metabolism function like it should.

Now, what to do after the ephedra ban? Well, I tried ephedra-free Hydroxycut (it did crap for me), then Xenadrine (which just made me jittery and kept me from sleeping, although it DID keep me from gaining weight), Xenacal (same as Xenedrine in effects), Metabolife (kept me focussed and I lost a few pounds, but that also had ephedra), Lipo-6 (didn't notice much in the way of jitters, but also no real increase in focus, energy, and most importantly, didn't really lose more than 1-2 pounds, which came back afterwards), and Sesathin (just stick with Fish Oil instead unless you need the liver support, which this is pretty good at).

Moral of the story, I found nothing without ephedra which I found to be real helpful. So, the solution: Take ephedra. Recently, I read up on the ECA and ECY stax. Do a quick search on them and you'll get some more info. I've tried both. I prefer ECA, because I get tight in the chest and headaches on ECY. That doesn't mean YOU will, but I DID. They are both excellent at increasing focus, decreaing apetite (making those small meals easier), making you WANT to exercise (drive can sometimes be an obstacle, but not if you try this), and losing weight.

So, if you are trying to lose some weight, there are no miracles, but you will probably find this effective enough. If you take it and exercise, you will feel a little warmer than normal; this is normal. But, you will also lose weight (more than the average supp support, and usually cheaper). If you take this and don't exercise, you will still lose pounds, but if you go off (and you'll have to eventually, cuz your body builds tolerance to caffeine), you'll gain it back quickly.

Happy cardio-ing,

~C.G.

In regards to that ECA/ECY stack. You will notice that you are to stack aspirin in on it. I have yet to read any scientific evidence as to why this is. The best I can figure, it's one of two things:

Possibility #1: ECA/ECY increase internal pressure on the body due to its stimulant effects on the CNS. Therefore, the aspirin part of the stack is merely an attemtp to circumvent any negative effects on blood pressure. (NOTE: I am not sure it has such negative effects. I am only trying to rationalize the use of aspirin in the stack)

Possibility #2: Aspirin is known to thin the blood. This is beneficial in that it reduces blood pressure, but also decreases the volume of nutrients in the blood. This, in turn, leads to a decrease in vasculaization in the low priority regions of the body. Large fat deposits, therefore, receive less nutrient support, and tend to break apart. Fat is KNOWN to become motile in small quantities when the deposits are not receiving adequate support or vascularization. These motile fat deposits may reattach (in a fatty oil rich environment) or are destroyed by the body. Therefore, taking aspirin and exercising causes the breaking loose of excess fat cells, which are then destroyed by the body.

These are both THEORIES! I am actually writing this to ask if anyone knows better than I. I was once told (on another message board) that aspirin has a synnergistic effect with the other two drugs. Again, feel free to verify if you know specifics.

Sincerely,
C.G.

[QUOTE=laxballer]I would go with Nutrex Lipo 6 EF. I have used it and saw incredible results with it. In 3 weeks, i lost about 10 to 12 pounds of fat with no signifant loss in muscle size. I am currently at 17.5% bodyfat and hope to get it down to 10-13%. I weigh at 175 right now and I am 17 years old. I will use Lipo-6 for a month and half and I will stack it with Avant Lab's Lipoderm-Ultra at the start of the 3rd week. I'll let anyone who is interested on my progress. Oh yeah, I will be consuming about 280-300 grams of protein, 200 grams of carb and 20-30 grams of fat. Lift MAX-OT style. Guerilla cardio on Mon., Wed., and Friday morning. and MAX-OT cardio on sat.[/QUOTE]

hey bro... maybe i missed it somewhere in the other replies.. but when you said in 3 weeks you lost 10 to 12 lbs... did you do anything in your actual diet to help it? like eat less calories or did you assume all things constant and lost the weight? i guess im just pretty excited cause mine is on the way just ordered from bb.com, and i was wondering if i should change my diet to help the pills. thanks bro

Well i've tried a lot of different fat burners ( Hydroxycut, Tight, Hot-Rox, and Rev) and the only one that i really saw work (meaning lost weight) was Hydroxycut. The problem i had with it though was that as soon as i stopped taking Hydroxycut i put all the weight i lost right back on. Hot-Rox worked for me too plus i didn't put back the weight i lost. I was 232lbs beginning of 2005 and now i'm 188lbs. I attribute my fat and weight loss to cleaning up my diet and getting more serious in working out but supplements really did push me in the right direction faster. I recommend Hot-Rox for those in for the long run. For those looking to get ripped fast for a comp or something take Hydroxycut. Oh btw, has anyone heard about this Hydroxycut Hardcore? I just heard about it and was wondering what the hype is about.

Has anyone tried MuscleTech ThermoGain at all? im just wondering if it gives the results it boasts. I'd like to give it a try but does anyone have any first hand knowledge of this product?

I'm interested in this "phenomenon" called hotrox. I just started taking it, and can already feel gains in energy and drive/intensity when at the gym.
Also I find myself with hunger pains, but when I try to eat some say, oatmeal, I find myself gagging. I cram it down anyways(no pain no gain!). If anyone has experiences with this product please post them! Im eager to hear!! Also, the NEW hydroxycut HARDCORE claims to raise norepinephrine levels upto 40% and body fat loss of 4%!!!! Thats insane!! Has anyone tried this hydroxycut hardcore? And is muscletech supplements(fat loss mainly, im happy with EAS MRP's) worth the steep cost?

avoid any supplement (which includes hot-rox) with guggulsterones
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=466547[/url]

as far as ephedra free and stimulant based
Thermorexin
Cardio breeze
plain ol' caffeine

well everyone, i cant speak for all yall americans out there but for any aussies out there, i have found that aussie fatburners suck quite frankly, i cancualted it and you get about 37 extra caories burnt per serve and youre meant to take just one serve. that was the best result i got and that was dymetadrine extreme, but thermogen by bodyripped was another fairly good one. but avoid the liquid crap, stick to tabs

[QUOTE=OldskoolBULK]I'm interested in this "phenomenon" called hotrox. I just started taking it, and can already feel gains in energy and drive/intensity when at the gym.
Also I find myself with hunger pains, but when I try to eat some say, oatmeal, I find myself gagging. I cram it down anyways(no pain no gain!). If anyone has experiences with this product please post them! Im eager to hear!! Also, the NEW hydroxycut HARDCORE claims to raise norepinephrine levels upto 40% and body fat loss of 4%!!!! Thats insane!! Has anyone tried this hydroxycut hardcore? And is muscletech supplements(fat loss mainly, im happy with EAS MRP's) worth the steep cost?[/QUOTE]

hydroxycut hardcore...i saw this over at the GNC corperate store in the mall and i've seen the claims Muscle T has made in the past with their products,Some of their products is worth a shot so go for it

I am not too sure about these fat burners at all, but....

I started out just taking green tea extract 400mg x3 aday with CLA(Conjugated Linoleic Acid ) it SEEMED to work for about 4 weeks, my weight lose around my stomach was dropping a bit faster then i deserved based on my work outs. When that petered out I switched to product called "Rev". The first few days of taking this product gave me the sweats and a bit of anxiety.Now it makes me slightly euphoric and gives me a boost in energy...I do not know if it is working as a fat burner yet, as I am only 1/2 though the first bottle.

When i first took Zantrex-3 I lost 17 pounds in the first 10 days but after that i didnt notice any more loss in weight

[QUOTE=racinghart]hey bro... maybe i missed it somewhere in the other replies.. but when you said in 3 weeks you lost 10 to 12 lbs... did you do anything in your actual diet to help it? like eat less calories or did you assume all things constant and lost the weight? i guess im just pretty excited cause mine is on the way just ordered from bb.com, and i was wondering if i should change my diet to help the pills. thanks bro[/QUOTE]

Yea I'm pretty curious too. I got my Lipo on the way too man. I'm trying to figure out how I'm gonna cut this weight quick while being in college it's tough to have a good meal in a dorm room. Let me know if he replies to you in an email or anything. I'd like to get more info. too.

Thanks man

What's up everyone?!?!?!

Where are you getting your ephedra nowadays? I just ran out of the "pre-ban" stash that I had. Short of an ephedra stack, nothing compares (in my opinion), but then again I am a bit bias (look at the name). :-)

Stacker 2's with ephedra + cup of black coffee, on an empty stomach are without a doubt the best way to go. I have not even attempted the most recent stuff on the market. It has been working for me since I was 21!!

Now I add 2-3 CLA a day (one when I am doing the stack) and CLA seems to help target the stomach area.

I am curious though about AMP, etc...IF....they are somewhat as powerful and minimize some of the side-effects, which can sometimes be a bit annoying (lack of sleep, jitters, etc).

Your thoughts?

[QUOTE=Kraftydog]avoid any supplement (which includes hot-rox) with guggulsterones
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=466547[/url]

as far as ephedra free and stimulant based
Thermorexin
Cardio breeze
plain ol' caffeine[/QUOTE]


guggulsterones are a plague

I decided that it is a BAD idea to keep taking products with guggel anything in it. You can do a search and read all the news but in short, it blocks up testosterone receivers on cells so that the test cant get in, Does NOTHING to T3/T4 levels, the data was F-d up (on purpose), it wipes out STATINS and alot of other prescription drugs by causing the liver to secrete more enzymes that break those products down (IE if it can cause your body to eliminate a statin to the point of making it completely innefective, imagine what else its doing). DOnt imagine it, just stop taking this crap. ECA stack is the way to go. BTW, VPX redline is like doing crank and coke mixed together but its GOT TO beat the **** out of your CNS

what about Hoodia to supress hunger?

I have to give sad news to the men here at least, I found Lipo-6 to not stimulate myself or my brother in any way -- though -- it did give my sister moderate energy but she didn't experience any weight loss (we all stayed essentially stable for a month run).

On the other hand, the EC/Y stack has been working phenomally on myself (and my brother) in junction with Sesamin (from Scivation), Flexseed Oil, and Fish Oil supplementation.

If anyone is having problems responding to these pre-made stacks, I really recommend you just order some Ephedrine HCL and Caffeine and take that (EC), also DO read sawatea's thread on the EC/Y stack -- it's very informative -- [url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=316758[/url]

Regarding Sesamin: [url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/beast21.htm[/url] a great article!

Good luck and DO eat right (as that is one of the biggest contributors) and work out routinely for results :)

[QUOTE=freak aleak]red acid
scorch[/QUOTE]

Yep

i am currently using Hot Rox and its a ok product does a good job but u have to take it as directed exactly on the bottle or it doesn't work. does a good job of curbing my hunger but i don't get a energy boost like i did from stacker or xenadrine. but a good product.

How do you guys feel about Dymetadrine Xtreme EF from AST-SS?

13 pages is a lot, includes a lot of info! My supplements are whey protein and creatine. Will the Dymetadrine work well with these? I see a good review about them a few posts above me, but is it suitable for the supplements I am taking currently? Any info will help!

[QUOTE=blind0527]How do you guys feel about Dymetadrine Xtreme EF from AST-SS?

13 pages is a lot, includes a lot of info! My supplements are whey protein and creatine. Will the Dymetadrine work well with these? I see a good review about them a few posts above me, but is it suitable for the supplements I am taking currently? Any info will help![/QUOTE]
Lemme get this straight b4 I answer your question. you are taking JUST protein and creatine? That's all your products contain? It's not protein with ______ in it or creatine with _____ in it? And what type of creatine is it? You need to be as specific as possible. Just like pharmacists and doctors need to know if you are taking any other medications for reaction purposes, so do we if we are going to try to assess any problems you may run into

[QUOTE=Cyrus317]Lemme get this straight b4 I answer your question. you are taking JUST protein and creatine? That's all your products contain? It's not protein with ______ in it or creatine with _____ in it? And what type of creatine is it? You need to be as specific as possible. Just like pharmacists and doctors need to know if you are taking any other medications for reaction purposes, so do we if we are going to try to assess any problems you may run into[/QUOTE]

I take AST Micronized creatine, with Body Fortress 100% Whey protein, which I may be changing to ON 5 lb. Gold Whey protein. My budget is about 65 dollars right now, so I would like to keep it in the 55-60 dollar range for these products. I've heard some pretty good things about the Dymetadrine. If not that product, can anyone help me decide a good fat burner, in the 18-22 dollar range that is the best bang for the buck with the supplements I am currently taking? I have been looking at AMP as well. Maybe someone will recommend against me getting a "fat" burner, maybe Red Bull is just an option for pre workout energy?

Rev XP worked pretty well for me...and yes xenadrine does absolutely nothing...i tried stacker 3 xplc but my body couldn't handle it...but it gives you a real kick

[QUOTE=Yorkshirelad]I come off my ECA stack and started on LIPO 6, ephadra free. would definately recommend them. Have you thought about the fat loss cream by NUTRASPORT? This is also a top choice in my book![/QUOTE]

I have heard by pro's that the main ingredient in Nutrasports Cutting Gel is actually a chemical found in radiator fluid. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Im currently using Lipo -6 early days still but looks promising. Also as many people do say it doesnt matter what you take if you still intake alot of food. Controlled dieat + suppliments has helped me loose 40kg

I know the radiator contains coolant...
The most common coolant base is ethylene glycol. The other glycol is propylene glycol. The main difference between the two is that propylene glycol is less toxic..
Coolants have a variety of additives, usually the additive package is made up of:
-borax (asorbs acid)
-phosphate (buffer of acid and retards cavitation)
-water
-sodium silicate (for aluminum protection)
-trizoles (forgot, all i know is that it forms a film over metal ions or something)
-phosphorescent dye
-sodium molybdate (an expensive corrosion inhibitior for heat rejecting aluminum)
and a bunch of other additives..
This list ^ goes for conventional coolant and I'm thinking propylene glycol contains organic acid additives.. not sure

I looked at Nutrasports cutting gel and i found that one of the ingredients is propylene glycol though.

btw I like san tight and scivation sesamin!

There are no good Ephedrine free fat burners. Ephedrine all the way. But if I had to choose one it would be the VPX Redline

Guys i have tried almost all the products out there. Sure they all work but barely.... I have tried lipo 6, Hydroxcut( all of there products) T-burn and many many others..... I recently stareted taking HOT ROX and all i can say is wow! This is the only product i have ever taken where i dont feel jittery, i feel ocmletly normal , until i hit the weight- then all of this energy comes out of nowhere! Thanks to this product i have finally gotten over my plateu and started dropping pounds again. Guys I swear buy trhis stuff, its a little more expensive, but well, well worth it!!!

Hey, my friend gave me a few samples of hot rox to try and I had the same experience :D. I would feel normal until I hit the weights or something..
So far I like it better than lipo-6..

I've used Ripped Fuel in the past and it worked well for me. But, I also watched my diet and upped my cardio quite a bit as well

Hey all,
My girl is looking to give her workouts, largely cardio a little boost. Looking for something relatively natural and not too hardcore, green tea based ect. I've heard a fwe negative things about guggle. Can anyone provide me with a recommendation for her. As noted she's a novice for the most part, her program is:

Day 1 Full Body weights
Day 3, 4, 5 cardio

Real simple

Any help on something that's not going to really mess with her would be much appriciated.

[url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/nx/rev.html[/url]

Tell her if she gets anxious or starts to sweat alot when first taking it to lower dosage. I personally just take 2 right before i work out. She's going to have to clean-up her diet though if she hasn't already, regardless of what supplement she takes.

[QUOTE=sk1tz][url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/nx/rev.html[/url]

Tell her if she gets anxious or starts to sweat alot when first taking it to lower dosage. I personally just take 2 right before i work out. She's going to have to clean-up her diet though if she hasn't already, regardless of what supplement she takes.[/QUOTE]

Thanks alot man, looks largely natural as far as ingredients, I'll order them for her and see what she thinks, I really appriciate the assistance.

Sure bro let me know what she thinks of it.

can someone please tell me what the fuss is all about for this "Red Acid" and other color named products...!?

any good or just another market scam?

thanks

Hey guys,

I've been reading these threads for awhile but couldnt post since my account had issues. But now everything is good, and after reading this section, i have a few questions. First off, what is this ECY and the other E...somthing that people stack? And can i get it from anywhere near me ( I live in Morris Plains, NJ). I hear that Ephedra works really well, and was interested in it, but there is no place to find it which sucks. And has anyone tried the new Hydroxycut Advanced Formula? And if yes, is it any good because i've tried Hydroxycut before with no success. THanks guys, any help is truly appreciated.

Pete

You can get Ephedra in most gas stations on the counter

Best Stack nowadays is
Tonalin CLA. 2 pills, 3 times a day. Or 1 pill - 6 times

Studies show CLA blocking Lipase, an enzyme in you stomach that stores fat.

Methyl Ripped (NxCare), Hydroxycut Hardcore(Muscletech), or Lipo 6(Nutrex...I think)

and a Hoodia product.

Vitamin Shoppe has one thats 500mg per pill and Lean XP (NxCare) are both good. Lean is nice because it has diuretics in it as well...

All in all....its like 18 pills, but its the best (in my opinion)

ECY is Ephedra - Caffeine - Yohimbe...I think

Yohimbe is an herb that increases blood flow and libido

I dont think the gas stations near where i live have ephedra. Is there an alternative?


edit: is there any places in NJ that has ephedra still?, or on a canadian site?

[QUOTE=slickb0i]I dont think the gas stations near where i live have ephedra. Is there an alternative?


edit: is there any places in NJ that has ephedra still?, or on a canadian site?[/QUOTE]

While I have heard Bolt Ephedrine is by far and away the best stuff out there (b/c it doesn't contain Guaifenesin, unlike the ephedrine HCl that is out there), I have yet to find it. However, I have used Vasopro, and it seems to do the job pretty well for me. Here's the link:

[url]http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mp/vaso.html[/url]

If you can't order this, then I don't know why (it must be your state's law. I have no problems with ordering it here.

Thanks man, Im most likely going to order it. But I skimmed through the description and it was mainly for helping people to breathe better. So Im guessing that I just take this and work-out regularly, and it will have similar effects as Ephedra? Sounds good.

P.S Is this the same Bolt Epehdrine your mentioned in your response?

[url]http://secure.mycart.net/catalogs/catalog.asp?prodid=3527717&showprevnext=1[/url]

[QUOTE=slickb0i]Thanks man, Im most likely going to order it. But I skimmed through the description and it was mainly for helping people to breathe better. So Im guessing that I just take this and work-out regularly, and it will have similar effects as Ephedra? Sounds good.

P.S Is this the same Bolt Epehdrine your mentioned in your response?

[url]http://secure.mycart.net/catalogs/catalog.asp?prodid=3527717&showprevnext=1[/url][/QUOTE]


While I could take the time to explain all of these, it will suffice to tell you a few basic facts. First of all, ephedra is an herbal supplement. In ephedra is the active substance ephedrine, which is what is contained in ephedrine HCl products. So not only will products like VasoPro have similar effects as ephedra, they will have the SAME effects (in fact, I find them to be more active than their herbal counterparts). Second, although it is listed as an asthma medication, the straight and simple truth is that that is only one of its uses. In the same way and anti-histimine helps combat certain allergies when an allergic reaction occurs, ephedrine will help combat the symptoms of asthma (especially athletic induced asthma). While it really DOES do this, most companies are simply using that as a legally defensible position for selling the product that many are using as a diet pill. If you recall the ephedra ban, this was one of the only reasons the drug was later reinstated.

For more info, look here:
[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=316758[/url]

Good luck, but please check out the entire thread I just posted before you start playing with the ECY stack and exercising. I, myself, would not recommend that particular stack, but I have found ECA (which you can also read about in the link) to be very effective.