Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

[QUOTE=digita1dolly]Hi folks

I have just got some ephedrine 45mg tabs. Im unsure of how to take these - Do I need to take anything elese with them???????????????????
HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ADVICE NEEDED!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanking you!
Lv Dollx[/QUOTE]

I'll keep this one much shorter, I promise! First of all, I've never heard of 45 mg tabs. Don't tell me where you got 'em, just tell me there is a label on the bottle. Go to that label and check to make sure that each tab contains 45 mg of Ephedrine. It may be that the tabs are 45 mg, but only a portion of that (usually 25 or 12.5 mg) is the Ephedrine, while the rest is something else.

Now, this is a thread about Ephedra-Free Fat burners. For information on how to best use Ephedrine as a fat-burner, I'd refer you to this thread:

[url]http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=316758[/url]

It's put together by Sawastea, who is probably the most knowledgeable guy I've ever come across in regards to ephedrine usage. He'll do you right, so check it out.

I am liking the Hydroxycut Hardcore but like another poster said they make me sleepy about 4 hrs into them.

For those of you that have tried both.. HOT-ROX or Hydroxycut Hardcore?

I went through a bottle of this. Didn't really like, didn't think it was worth the cost. Gave me moderate amounts of energy. Red poop was kind of weird. Anyway I wouldn't pay $40 for it again. I'm using ephedrine now and it works better

My girlfriend took Zantrax 3 for one day and didnt drink enough water and she ended up in the hospital for a whole day with a iv stuck in her feeding her fluids because she was so dehydrated her body couldent rehydrate itself by drinking, thats what the doctors said anyway. She suffered kidney damage and still has pain in her kidneys when she doesent drink lots of water. This happend last year, she said she was never in so much pain in her life, that it was worse than food poisoning, she felt sick for 2 weeks after being released from the hospital. Moral of the story: Drink lots of water when taking zantrax 3.

[QUOTE=anteyeiabazele]I've read many reviews and they all said that all u do is lose waterweight with this product![/QUOTE]

Once I finish out the bottle I'm using now, I will probably do a full review in the supplements section (possibly tonight), but NxCare Methyl Ripped is a very odd product. The sample and first bottle I bought worked really well. The second bottle (almost gone now) works barely, if at all. I have bumped it up with heavy doses of Vitamin B, but I shouldn't have to be doing that.

So far, the thermos I have liked best have been Thermonex, Speed, Rev XP and Hot Rox.

Also good, though slightly less so, are Redline and GNC's Firestarter (if it is still around).

Everything else I have tested, I have also found to be junk (though I plan on testing Scorch, AMP, and Thermorexin in the near future), particularly Cytodyne's Xenadrine NRG, which I would avoid like the plague and the absurd joke that is Anadrox.

I ended up going with Venom HyperDrive 3. I'll let everyone know how it works out.

I was just wondering something... I am in my cutting cycle and I am taking MAN Scorch (I run at 5 a.m., lift at 1 p.m., and then wrestle at 6), and I am taking MAN Clout before I lift...Do you think that with the creatine product that it is limiting my overall cutting cycle?

[QUOTE=Cyrus317]You're new hear (it seems), so I'll break you in easy. It seems that your technique is in your mind-set. You'll hear it a thousand times. Losing fat comes down to calories in vrs. calories out. Gaining muscle does as well. They aren't entirely mutually exclusive, but pretty damned much so. I tell my younger friends this all the time. The best way to lose weight is to start by bulking (in which you will add weight, but hopefully very little will be fat), and then follow it by a cutting cycle (in which you'll lose a lot of weight, but also possibly a little muscle). What you are trying to do is sometimes refered to as a "clean bulk," and it's simply not effective.

Looking at your situation, here's my advice. If you want to build muscle, go with the protein and the CEE. However, realize that you might gain a little weight. Don't worry, with proper diet, most of it will be muscle anyway. If you want to cut up, then DROP THE CEE. Creatine works by augmenting muscle contraction in place of ATP. It is the process by which the body recruits more ATP when stores are depleted that causes you to burn fat. In other words, if you are using creatine, you are making it so your body doesn't need to make as much ATP, meaning that you will not lose anywhere near as much fat as if you weren't taking it. Regardless of your goal, always keep protein intake high (around 1-1.5g/lb. bodyweight). This will help stem the tide against your hard earned muscle wasting away during a cut, and is essential for any bulk.

In other news, Ergopharm recently sent me a sample of AMP. I've taken 2 servings (what they sent me), both times before I worked out. First time it just gave me the jitters, but second time I felt an energy rush and was sweating quite a bit more than normal. I could feel the heat radiating from my arteries, and my heart rate was accelerated. All good signs of thermogenesis. However, when I went to take my body temp, it remained low (typical for me, due to a slow metabolism). Therefore, my support of AMP is inconclusive, despite my extremely positive feeling about my last dose. 2 servings is just no enough to measure fat burning.[/QUOTE]


i went from 140 pounds - 225 pounds in 4 years. im five feet seven inches.now 23 years old.

i just started working out again- in two weeks i THINK i lost at least 3 pounds, i hope to keep this up this week and next week(3rd and 4th week).

just doing mostly cardio - 20 min. threadmill runs a day
20 min. weights a day around 7 pm.
food consumption im going for 5-6 meals a day in small portions. and cutting my old eatling habits in half.

eating healthier food, and no more sodas or fast foods.

i also started taking these this week, before and after workouts.

protein shakes from- GNC pro performance (before/after)
L-glutamine powder- GNC pro performance (before/after)
creatine-bio core ethyl ester superior absorption (before/after)

i came on here looking for fatburners and saw your comment, so is mixxing all these with any fat burners not the way to go???

should i bulk up and keep doing what im doing , and switch it up in 2 months with the fat burners and protein shakes with glutomine.

so i bulk right now, and in two months i start loosing more weight and cutting right?

i am takeing HYDROXYCUT CAFFEINE FREE AND STIMULANT FREE 72 pills
for 20 dollars i have seen good results in 6 days i lost 7 pounds
i am happy it works for me hydroxycut caffeine free stimulant free
really works

i have a bottle of unopened lipo6 in my hand and i was lookinf at this [url]http://www.nutrex.com/images/lipo6liquicap.jpg[/url] , and the ingredients that are in mine are different.

Citrus Aurantium 100mg
Total amines 11.5%
Individual amines
Synephrine 10%
N-Methly Tyramine 0.9-1.6%
Tyramine 0.2-0.4%
Hordenine 0.2-0.4%
Octopamine 0.2-0.4%

Caffeine Anhdrous USP 100mg
Coleus Forskolii (standardized to 20% Forskolin) 50mg
Synthetic Guggulsterones 1:1 10mg
bioperine 2.5mg

DO NOT EXCEED 3 LIQUI-CAPS PER DAY

wtf, how many should i take ? , btw i bought my bottle in australia

What are the negative effects of Hydroxycut Caffeine Free and Stimulent Free?

I am the definition of a noob. Ive been working out for about 2 years, but I had no idea what a supplement was. Im just a tad bit overweight, and would like to get some fat off of my lower abs. I have a good muscle build workout, and just figured out an effective cardio workout.


My 2 questions are:
1. Does hydroxycut do more harm than good?

2. Are there supplements that will haul my ass to the gym like greased lightning?

A little update on the venum hd 3.0:

So, I've been taking it now for 2 weeks. I first started taking 1 pill and it was definitely kicking my ass. You don't get the same jitters as the orginal Xenadrine but you do get a strong sensation from the product. After the first week was done my waist went down by at least an inch and my face definitely looks thinner. I lost ~ 10lbs just by taking these pills and I do realize most of it is water weight. You need to drink a lot of water on this product as it does make you dehydrated and make you go to the restroom a lot. I just upped my daily intake from 1 to 2 since my bidy was used to one pill and bam, back to getting the strong sensations. This product definitely works. I don't know how much actual fat I lost but I know for certain that it does remove at the very least the water weight from your body. I'll post another update after week's end. Also, it does a very good job of suppressing the appetite. It's very easy to go without food for hours so I have to make sure I force myself to eat and get enough calories.

ThermoShred rocks!

I started using it 4 weeks out from my competition to get those last few stubborn pounds off...and ended up losing 12. A few pounds of it was water weight that I put back on immediately after the show, but it definitely served its intended purpose for me. By the day of my show, I found cuts I didn't know I was capable of getting! The best part was the effect it had on my workouts. I HATE cardio, and this helped me tough out those long sessions on the treadmill.

I followed the directions on the package as far as working up to the maximum dose, so I didn't suffer any major side effects. I didn't get jittery, no sweating, shakiness, diarrhea or lightheadedness. The only concern I had was twice over the course of the month, I got flushed after I took it...but it was mild and went away within a few minutes (and was probably related to the fact that I had a sunburn on both occasions).

I'd only recommend using it for a short time and only for competition prep because of the intense diuretic effect.

[QUOTE=Vaper]i have a bottle of unopened lipo6 in my hand and i was lookinf at this [url]http://www.nutrex.com/images/lipo6liquicap.jpg[/url] , and the ingredients that are in mine are different.

Citrus Aurantium 100mg
Total amines 11.5%
Individual amines
Synephrine 10%
N-Methly Tyramine 0.9-1.6%
Tyramine 0.2-0.4%
Hordenine 0.2-0.4%
Octopamine 0.2-0.4%

Caffeine Anhdrous USP 100mg
Coleus Forskolii (standardized to 20% Forskolin) 50mg
Synthetic Guggulsterones 1:1 10mg
bioperine 2.5mg

DO NOT EXCEED 3 LIQUI-CAPS PER DAY

wtf, how many should i take ? , btw i bought my bottle in australia[/QUOTE]

Hey Vaper, great to see a fellow melbournian on the forums. I have the exact same Lipo 6 as you. Basically, in Australia they are much stricter on these kinds of supplements than in America so they advise us to take much less. If you compare the ingredients from the Lipo 6 you buy from bb.com and our bottles you will see they are identical if you take the same ammount of capsules except for 1 ingredient, Yohimbine HCL, which is banned in Australia. However, it is only 3mg per 2 capsules so you don't miss out on too much.

I have been on it for a few days now according to the American dosage (2 caps, 3 times a day) and so far so good. Quick question, where do you buy your Lipo 6 from and how much? I'm forced to buy it from my gym for $95 a bottle coz I can't get it from bb.com due to it's Yohimbine content. However I saw it at vitaminking.com.au for $72 so I will be ordering from there from now on.

Good luck mate.

[QUOTE=NEXTLEVEL]A little update on the venum hd 3.0:

So, I've been taking it now for 2 weeks. I first started taking 1 pill and it was definitely kicking my ass. You don't get the same jitters as the orginal Xenadrine but you do get a strong sensation from the product. After the first week was done my waist went down by at least an inch and my face definitely looks thinner. I lost ~ 10lbs just by taking these pills and I do realize most of it is water weight. You need to drink a lot of water on this product as it does make you dehydrated and make you go to the restroom a lot. I just upped my daily intake from 1 to 2 since my bidy was used to one pill and bam, back to getting the strong sensations. This product definitely works. I don't know how much actual fat I lost but I know for certain that it does remove at the very least the water weight from your body. I'll post another update after week's end. Also, it does a very good job of suppressing the appetite. It's very easy to go without food for hours so I have to make sure I force myself to eat and get enough calories.[/QUOTE]
Glad to hear that. Just got a bottle and I'm starting a cut stack using it and Dicana (for which reason I'll probably just keep it to the 1 cap), and I'm expecting good things.

i have tried nutrex lipo 6 and had some amazing results with it. i have herd though that it can give people some shocking side effects, such as the jitters hyperactivity and even someitmes more shocking side effects. Just be carefull when taking this make sure you build up ur tolorance to the product and follow the dosage instructions properly. Also remember to drink plenty of water all the time :D

[QUOTE=BadWog]Hey Vaper, great to see a fellow melbournian on the forums. I have the exact same Lipo 6 as you. Basically, in Australia they are much stricter on these kinds of supplements than in America so they advise us to take much less. If you compare the ingredients from the Lipo 6 you buy from bb.com and our bottles you will see they are identical if you take the same ammount of capsules except for 1 ingredient, Yohimbine HCL, which is banned in Australia. However, it is only 3mg per 2 capsules so you don't miss out on too much.

I have been on it for a few days now according to the American dosage (2 caps, 3 times a day) and so far so good. Quick question, where do you buy your Lipo 6 from and how much? I'm forced to buy it from my gym for $95 a bottle coz I can't get it from bb.com due to it's Yohimbine content. However I saw it at vitaminking.com.au for $72 so I will be ordering from there from now on.

Good luck mate.[/QUOTE]

yea i guess we will have to double up on the doses since we only have half of the potency i bought mine for $95 at broadmeadows shopping centre but im probly not gonna buy it again ill probly go for man scorch for $92.50 from here [url]http://www.ultimatephysique.com.au/MAN-Scorch-168-capsules-pr-16167.html[/url]

It seems everyday there is a new product coming out saying its the most powerful fat burner yet...

Im not fat or really even overweight i'd say i just have a good bit of excess body fat that im having trouble gettin rid of. I eat pretty well and consistently. Im trying to find a fat loss management supplement that will help me along with my cardio.

Ive taken lipo 6 and Ripped before it seemed that i gained back most of the weight as soon as i stopped the product.

Im thinking about trying Hydroxycut HARDCORE has anyone had good results with this product? Or are there any other new products that seem to work good?

Thanks,
Ryan

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i dont know if anyone mentioned **** Hyperdrive 3.0 yet, but I havent felt anything close to those effects in anyother fatburner.

I think the appetite suppression excedes ephedrine. Who knows what they put in that!

I just started taking methyl ripped by NxCare.

I'll post how it worked for me in like a month.

care to hear another Lipo 6 story? Good...

I'm on my third cycle of Lipo6...my first I lost 30lbs in 12 weeks.

Then my weight was creeping back up...argh...

2nd cycle, I lost another 25 lbs, and again, my weight crept back up...what the heck?

Then it hit me, my weight was going up, but my pants and shirts were falling off...duh! Muscle. I don't stress over it anymore. I'm on my third cycle now since saturday and have shed some water weight, but nothing substantial.

I've tried Xenadrine, Stacker, Redline(what a beast...I took a can of redline before my brown belt test and flew through it...felt like I could verticle leap through the roof...grappled for an hour afterward, couldn't even stand, and my arms were heavy, but I was flying!), Xyience Xlerate and Xenergy, Hydroxycut, and a couple others that don't even deserve mention. Stacker put me in the ER for heart irregularities and the doctor asked if I abuse *******(of course totally off the record...record or not, I won't touch that crap), and I told him of course I don't...he said my heart was doing what ******* abuser's hearts do...stopped all that jazz.

Anyway, Lipo6 is my weapon of choice.

Just like in the movies "TRANSPORTER" The use of one product to dealiver the other ones into the system proper The ABB "ADENALYN" GRAPPLE 18 oz of grape mixed with gatorade and take two "HYDROXYCUT! Done. Your burning thermo-goodness and don't slam the drink! Half fast then sip the rest. I am a GRAPE APE! When it comes to flavor.

I've had increadbile results with **** lean system. Hyperdrive 3.0, Lean dreams and special tactics.. I have never experienced anything like that before. IMO, it's even better than EC.

I've also had great results with Scorch stacked with sesamin.

I didn't like the way lipo6 made me feel, and Hydroxycut hardcore- was only hardcore for the first 2 weeks on- and then i guess my body got too used to it, because all the appetite supression and energy was no longer present. I actually started feeling lethargic on it. (and with lipo6 too)

I'm going to be using Red Acid gen2 for my next cut... I'll let you know how it goes.

NXcare's Ripped System is the best ive tried

Another vote for Lipo-6 here. Lost an inch around my waist in a month.
Switched to Animal Cuts and lost another inch.

Both quality products. But I was also doing cardio daily AND eating good!

[QUOTE=elcelicagts]i went from 140 pounds - 225 pounds in 4 years. im five feet seven inches.now 23 years old.

i just started working out again- in two weeks i THINK i lost at least 3 pounds, i hope to keep this up this week and next week(3rd and 4th week).

just doing mostly cardio - 20 min. threadmill runs a day
20 min. weights a day around 7 pm.
food consumption im going for 5-6 meals a day in small portions. and cutting my old eatling habits in half.

eating healthier food, and no more sodas or fast foods.

i also started taking these this week, before and after workouts.

protein shakes from- GNC pro performance (before/after)
L-glutamine powder- GNC pro performance (before/after)
creatine-bio core ethyl ester superior absorption (before/after)

i came on here looking for fatburners and saw your comment, so is mixxing all these with any fat burners not the way to go???

should i bulk up and keep doing what im doing , and switch it up in 2 months with the fat burners and protein shakes with glutomine.

so i bulk right now, and in two months i start loosing more weight and cutting right?[/QUOTE]

I've been away for what seems like years, so it's likely you're not even reading anymore. Sorry it took me so long to get back. In answer to your questions:

1) Yes, I'd start with a bulk, then move to a cut, then back to a bulk. Generally, cuts are less long than the bulks, but if your primary goal is weight loss, you can probably keep them even. The bulk is very important, and I recommend it first because it will build up muscle tissue, and your body requires excess cals to power and maintain this muscle. In other words, if you build the muscle, then keep the protein high and workouts intense during the cut, you'll shed much more fat than you would without the bulk. You'll also look better;)

2) Keep tracking your weight, but don't get discouraged if it doesn't drop a bunch during the cut, and don't freak out if it goes up during the bulk. That's normal for a bulk, and if you are running a good cut, your weight should stay near the same towards the end, cuz you'll be adding a little muscle while removing the fat. Not a LOT of muscle, but enough to counterbalance the weight lost in fat. Remember, muscle weighs more, because it's more dense. For truly precise measurements of fat loss, you'd need body fat calipers, and I doubt you'll get them (most ppl don't).

3) Good start with the diet. Keep it in check. The occasional cheat is good; I'd even encourage it... but don't go overboard. Keep it strict most of the time.
Exercise-wise, keep it up. Make sure your cardio is INTENSE cardio. Almost every day they have a new study showing that cardio that is not truly intense (step programs don't make the grade) have little to no health benefits compared to true workouts. I'd prefer to see you working out for at least 1 hour a day (you listed 40 mins) 6-7 days a week, but life can get hectic. It's just important you get something in for a workout each day.

4) I don't know what you mean by "stacking" fat-burners. While I advocate the ECA stack, I certainly don't recommend it for beginners. I'd take only 1 fat burner at a time, cuz more is likely superfluous (spelling?): you won't know what is really working. For true weight loss, however, I'd recommend an appetite suppresent with a thermo sup. Some things, like Hydroxycut, seem to do this all in one. Others do not, and so you'll need to try something like Hoodia with it (never tried it myself though). Green tea works great for me.

5) Lastly, unless you have some special discount, I'd stay away from GNC stuff. I bought stuff from there for years. Some is good, but a lot is junk. It tends to be underdosed severely for whatever you are trying to do, and it costs more than most internet sites (like this one;)). I suppose their protein is fine, if you like the taste and have cash to burn.
L-Glutamine has been shown by some studies to be orally inactive. It's not my area of expertise, though, so that's your call.
Creatine is a great supp. for a bulk, and an AWFUL supp for you cut. It causes bloat due to water retention in the muscles, and it pulls water away from vital organs like the liver and kidneys. Since these are important in waste processing, and during your cut you will be excreting a lot of waste (through sweat and urine, mostly), I'd stay away from it when doing heavy cardio. No real advantages.
Lastly, just my advice... During a bulk, supp protein before AND after workouts. BUT, During a cut, supp it ONLY post workout, and make sure it's a low carb shake. This will keep insulin levels lower prior to workout (so more fat is burned for energy), but will still keep you muscles from experiencing too much "wasting"

...
Oh, and add some fish oil! It's called an ESSENTIAL FAT for a good reason;)

EST makes a very good lean and trim stack . I tried it for 30 days to be fair and I liked it . It is 2 different products the Thermostat and Suppressor . They work great together. I did not try them by themselves but I got a good deal for both . Bodybuilding.com carries it . Worth trying if you are looking for something new . Here is the link to the main site
[url]http://www.estnutrition.com[/url]

[QUOTE=Vaper]i have a bottle of unopened lipo6 in my hand and i was lookinf at this [url]http://www.nutrex.com/images/lipo6liquicap.jpg[/url] , and the ingredients that are in mine are different.

Citrus Aurantium 100mg
Total amines 11.5%
Individual amines
Synephrine 10%
N-Methly Tyramine 0.9-1.6%
Tyramine 0.2-0.4%
Hordenine 0.2-0.4%
Octopamine 0.2-0.4%

Caffeine Anhdrous USP 100mg
Coleus Forskolii (standardized to 20% Forskolin) 50mg
Synthetic Guggulsterones 1:1 10mg
bioperine 2.5mg

DO NOT EXCEED 3 LIQUI-CAPS PER DAY

wtf, how many should i take ? , btw i bought my bottle in australia[/QUOTE]
hi there
I live in new zealand howz it going!!
I got a bottle of lipo 6 here in new zealand
and it has the same ingredients as the one you
have, according to the describtion on bodybuilding
shop ,our formula is missing the gugglestones ,i have
emailed bodybuilding.com to ask which is better because
I want to use the formula than has been wining the awards
and making the top 10 selling product ,they say there is
an american formula and a international formula!! I feel
a bit ripped of from nutrex who dont inform as of this!!!
nothing on package to tell us this !!! I hope it works o.k
i have had more kick from other products than this formula!!
how have you guys found it??? I realise diet and cardio are the
base!!I have a nutritionalist and trainer.

i took hydroxycut caffeine free and stimulant free and lost 9 pounds in 6 days
since then i gained 2 pounds any one that has tried hydroxycut please comment if it worked or if did not or the side effects i want something with not too much caffeine what do you recommend

[QUOTE=MoreMuscle06]i took hydroxycut caffeine free and stimulant free and lost 9 pounds in 6 days
since then i gained 2 pounds any one that has tried hydroxycut please comment if it worked or if did not or the side effects i want something with not too much caffeine what do you recommend[/QUOTE]

I am guessing that the 9 pounds you lost was nearly all water weight. Because it is extremely unhealthy and nearly impossible (without the use of lipsuction) to lose that much fat in that short amount of time.

^^i agree.

Hello All I am currently in the AirForce and I need help deciding what is the best fat burner. I have lost a great oppertunity to enter the Special Ops world due to my run times I am looking for something that will get me through those long workout sessions. I have tried about everything from Hydroxycut to Venom I just cant find one that works for me Here are my stats

178lbs
5'9"
35" waist
11:00 min 1.5 mi
12 ruck march 4hrs with 55lbs
60 push
60 situps
6 pullups

If anyone can help with a supplement choice and/or different training ideas let me know please Thanks All

I used to use EC Stack of Vasopro,MAN Scorch and Vaporize and Caffeine and L-Carnitine worked great! I now use Gaspari Nutrition Thyrotabs,LG-Speed and Transform and Scivation Sesamin and L-Carnitine and I think its working even better!!! And Speed has less caffeine and Im on no Ephedra! I suggest this stack to anyone who wants to drop wight quickly!

ephedrine will boost your run-time like you are some racing horse... trust me! Of course, it's what the air force calls a "vaso-active" (or something very similar) substance, and so is on the list of banned substances, right under steroids actually. Sorry bro. In fact, anything that's really gonna help your run is going to be banned by the Force for one reason or another. I was going to suggest Yohimbine, but the same deal is there as well. If you need to go faster for short bursts (like the 1.5 mile) then run farlicks (not sure on the spelling). That's like a 30 second balls-to-the-walls sprint, followed by a 30 second jog; repeated over and over again for a long ass time. Don't stop in between each time interval; just go one speed right into the other. If you are needing to increase time on a distance run, grow longer legs:D . But seriously dude, I think most supps that will
make a real difference are banned.
[QUOTE=smithjustin]Hello All I am currently in the AirForce and I need help deciding what is the best fat burner. I have lost a great oppertunity to enter the Special Ops world due to my run times I am looking for something that will get me through those long workout sessions. I have tried about everything from Hydroxycut to Venom I just cant find one that works for me Here are my stats

178lbs
5'9"
35" waist
11:00 min 1.5 mi
12 ruck march 4hrs with 55lbs
60 push
60 situps
6 pullups

If anyone can help with a supplement choice and/or different training ideas let me know please Thanks All[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info... i have not found really anything that talks about different supplement like hydroxycut. Im going to talk to the med techs to see what they think. Im thinking about trying Hydroxycut Hardcore any pros/cons with this supplement

yeah, it turns your poop red!!!
that doesn't seem that bad. but, believe me it just aint right seeing that in the toilet!!!
I will NEVER do hydroxycut Hardcore again. Lipo 6 is good!

BTW, you can get a free sample of our stim X and try that:
[url]http://www.stimulantx.com/freesingnup.php[/url]

that really dosent bother me if its going to work i also looked into the Stimulant X but it seems pretty cashy! What are the differences between Hydroxycut Hardcore and Stimulant X ?

you only need 1 pill.
so it is a 90 day supply for the money.
if 1 isn't enough for you, you can go to 2 and it will still last you 45 days!!

You take 1 or 2 in the morning and it gives you continuous energy for 12 hours!!

There are a few products that I think I already mentioned earlier, but chromium picolinate in general is great for weight loss and speeding up the matabolism. For more information this site is helpful:
[url]http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/chromiumpicolinate.htm[/url]

hey all. I'm a noob when it comes to fat burners. I've been on hydroxycut hardcore for about 3 weeks and have seen very little results. What a waste of $45! All it seems to do is give me red ****s. It seems that Lipo-6 works great, but I realize that different supps work differently for each person. I'm 6'2" and weigh 210 lbs, with approximately 15% body fat. 95% of my fat is on my chest, lower stomach, and love handles. I wish to have around 6 or 7% body fat by next summer, or at least have a cut chest and abs. I lift 4 days a week (split routine) doing about 20-30 min of cardio every time. Would you recommend Lipo-6?

lipo-6 worked for me....
animal cuts is another good one if you can stomach all the pills.
i lost an inch with each one.
but i was also doing 45 mins of cardio every morning on an empty stomach.

Biotest Hot-Rox.

so NxCare ripped system is worth a try?

im taking N.O. Shotgun and Controlled Labs Red Acid gen 2

energy is insane i feel like i wanna kick someone's ass every time I take them...

im going to post a journal once I have some more results from them

Emagrece Sim is a brasilian product. But it is now banned for some reason. I took it for one month and lost 25 pounds. It was such a great product! The woman who formulated it is now in prison for some odd reason.. lol. I went from 145lbs to 117lbs in a month.

[QUOTE=*Zeus*]There are a few products that I think I already mentioned earlier, but chromium picolinate in general is great for weight loss and speeding up the matabolism. For more information this site is helpful:
[url]http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/chromiumpicolinate.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
Did you even read the article?
[QUOTE=article in link]Despite rampant claims that chromium picolinate is a weight loss miracle that will melt fat, improve metabolism, and increase muscle mass, scientific evidence overwhelmingly indicates that the supplement does nothing of the kind. When combined with exercise, chromium supplementation does nothing to enhance weight loss as compared to exercise alone, in study after study. The case of chromium picolinate should caution consumers against believing miracle weight loss claims. When advertised on the internet, chromium picolinate is presented as a reliable, safe, and fast way to reduce body fat: actual evidence presents a very different picture of this supplement. Taking a daily dose of chromium picolinate will not likely produce any drastic results, and certainly will not produce effects that could not be achieved with exercise alone. Consumers should always be wary of dietary supplements touted as “miracles,” and investigate the truth behind flashy claims before deciding to take any nutritional aid. [/quote]

animal cuts is definitely my favorite...

has anyone heard of cheaters you take one before and after every meal