Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1654913323]I'm not sure how to quantify how much reduction the vaccines are having on sever cases right now though. It is relatively mild for most (more so than original) and we are still seeing record numbers of hospitalizations while having record high vaccination rates... Again this is expected when positivity rates are so high, 25% in some places, which insane when you think about it. 1 in 4 people tested are testing positive. Reductions to lost productivity are also coming from revised guidance for the 5 day quarantine, and likely helping drive herd immunity as I am sure that is putting more people in circulation who are still contagious. Someone who doesn't have paid sick leave isn't going to be honest about being symptom free to RTW.[/QUOTE]

Sucks, only having these antiquated wild type mRNA vaccines with a highly adaptable virus, doesn't it. 1 in 4 is scary given everyone seems to want to get tested. I'm mostly ignoring numbers and just watching how the incidence and mortality are tracking. At some point, we'll have herd immunity to Omicron too. That'll be nice, I hope.

I'm going to test my 10 month old outdated antibody levels at the UNC/Virginia Tech game later. Both my kids' schools, so should be entertaining, and UNC has been playing poorly enough that VT has a chance.

Kind of curious to see how many adults actually show up to watch.

Edit:
Thinking about the additional cellular immunity based on non-spike antigens, if you figure you get 90% of your benefit from the immune response to the spike protein, and then you lose 75% of that due to mutations, even if we pretend that the 10% didn't decrease at all strain to strain, you're still only left with 35% of the effect. 25 vs 35 of our original immunity level does make it 40% better, but it's still going to be a comparison of bad to piss poor at preventing clinical infections. Of course, if that safe 25% from the vaccine still prevents bad outcomes in our at risk patients, it's better than nothing.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1654915493]Sucks, only having these antiquated wild type mRNA vaccines with a highly adaptable virus, doesn't it. 1 in 4 is scary given everyone seems to want to get tested. I'm mostly ignoring numbers and just watching how the incidence and mortality are tracking. At some point, we'll have herd immunity to Omicron too. That'll be nice, I hope.

I'm going to test my 10 month old outdated antibody levels at the UNC/Virginia Tech game later. Both my kids' schools, so should be entertaining, and UNC has been playing poorly enough that VT has a chance.

Kind of curious to see how many adults actually show up to watch.[/QUOTE]

We already peaked here by my evaluation of the numbers trend. That said, the Omicron is still spreading like wildfire, just slowing down a little. As an example of the breadth of cases, my daughters 4th grade class was taught by the District Superintendent one day last week. When the guy who runs the entire District is sitting in for a 4th grade class there are a LOT of teachers and subs out.

Enjoy the game! Even better if the crowds are not insane anyway.

[QUOTE=Tommy W.;1654906003]Nobody can make money off of healthy people[/QUOTE]

Money is in treatment, not healing.

I'll be turning 65 soon, and still no Fauchi-Ouchie for me.

I have zero concerns of dying OF the ShanghaiShivers.

I suppose however if I was run-over by a driver who had it, my death would be added to the tally.

FJB

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1654905573]Thank you for your service in interpreting that, and also, thank you for your service if I haven't already said it seriously :)

His is actually a very good post if you read past the first quoted line. No clue where he's studying, but I've found his posts on evolutionary biology and microbiology to be very good. He's described some complicated theories clearly in short posts. That's not easy to do!



Up here in Orange county NC everything is finally melting, which is a gift since one of my pups thinks snow is meant to be eaten. Every time I let him out to pee he pees a bucket's worth then eats a bunch of snow and ice. Means he may have to go out again in 20 minutes, except sometimes we don't realize that in time.

You guys thawed out down there in Fayetteville yet, or did you actually get to skip the snow and ice entirely?[/QUOTE]

Weather is weird up there. The north-east part of your county can easily be 5 degrees colder than the University. And just when you think you are south of a snow line, the mountains remind you that they are there.

I am no longer a denizen of the Fayetteville area. I am now in the Asheville/Knoxville/Chattanooga area. Or there-abouts.

[QUOTE=BS57;1654924523]Money is in treatment, not healing.

I'll be turning 65 soon, and still no [U]Fauchi-Ouchie[/U] for me.

I have zero concerns of dying OF the [U]ShanghaiShivers. [/U]

I suppose however if I was run-over by a driver who had it, my death would be added to the tally.

FJB[/QUOTE]

Imagine being 65 and talking like this.

Don't forget to go potty before nighty night and don't forget your binky and your blanky.


(I know EMO I'm feeding the trolls :D )

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1654663483][img]https://i.imgur.com/VaDsKmt.jpg?1[/img][/QUOTE]

That's a strange place for your 3rd nipple...

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[QUOTE=newfaceafter;1654948263]Is not easy to me but this help to back on normal:


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[img]https://i.imgur.com/zSWCTnH.png[/img]

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1654915493]Sucks, only having these antiquated wild type mRNA vaccines with a highly adaptable virus, doesn't it....[/QUOTE]
This is based on patients self reporting so maybe not as accurate as confirmed study. But.. 2/3 with omicron say they have had COVID before

[url]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60132096[/url]

Makes you wonder how effective then vaccination based on original strains will be. (On assumption this is viral adaption not patient immune response waning) Better than nothing... but not so good?

[QUOTE=eomrat;1654928023]I am no longer a denizen of the Fayetteville area. I am now in the Asheville/Knoxville/Chattanooga area. Or there-abouts.[/QUOTE]

Is there an Asheville in Tennessee? Not sure about Knoxville, but Asheville NC to Chattanooga is like driving to Atlanta. Gotta be 3 to 4 hours, right?

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1655032343]Is there an Asheville in Tennessee? Not sure about Knoxville, but Asheville NC to Chattanooga is like driving to Atlanta. Gotta be 3 to 4 hours, right?[/QUOTE]

Yep, It's North of Gatlinburg/Pigeon Forge. I think that was where Smokey Mountain Knifeworks is located. We went there last summer. I liked it, probably going back this year and hopping over the mountains to the Carolinas if we schedule enough time for the trip.

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1655020043]Better than nothing... but not so good?[/QUOTE]

Exactly that.

Pfizer just started testing a newer vaccine. It doesn't sound like it would be a polyvalent type of vaccine. I thought they would include the original mRNA code, but maybe not. I'll ask one of our vaccine people on Friday when we have a conference call. I've never worked on a polyvalent vaccine trial and don't know the regulatory requirements.

[url]https://apnews.com/article/pfizer-covid-vaccine-omicron-study-63cc1e6ee7c9c23e8795ce9bbd448ce9[/url]

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1655033793]Exactly that.

Pfizer just started testing a newer vaccine. It doesn't sound like it would be a polyvalent type of vaccine. I thought they would include the original mRNA code, but maybe not. I'll ask one of our vaccine people on Friday when we have a conference call. I've never worked on a polyvalent vaccine trial and don't know the regulatory requirements.

[url]https://apnews.com/article/pfizer-covid-vaccine-omicron-study-63cc1e6ee7c9c23e8795ce9bbd448ce9[/url][/QUOTE]

It probably be released in time to protect the 3 people who have not had Omicron by then, and mandated for everyone...

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1655034233]It probably be released in time to protect the 3 people who have not had Omicron by then, and mandated for everyone...[/QUOTE] yep. Just starting after Omicron has been around since November

PHAC confirmed that 51 cases of the BA.2 subvariant have been reported in Canada, mainly from international travellers.

BA.2 is a descendant of the highly transmissible Omicron variant and has been found in at least 40 countries as of Wednesday, according to global coronavirus data sharing platform

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1655045653]PHAC confirmed that 51 cases of the BA.2 subvariant have been reported in Canada, mainly from international travellers.

BA.2 is a descendant of the highly transmissible Omicron variant and has been found in at least 40 countries as of Wednesday, according to global coronavirus data sharing platform[/QUOTE]

California reported cases, I'm sure it's everywhere by now.

Hopefully it won't cause issues once everybody has some form of immunity to the wild type and omicron strains. I haven't heard about any Omicron variant causing as much ED post infection as the wild type virus, so nobody here needs to panic yet ;)

This virus kills.

That is the first words I utter from my mouth each and every day. I wake up, splash water onto my face and stare directly into my dingy mirror in my bathroom. I look myself directly in the eye and I begin my mantra. "This virus kills", I say. Silence. I then repeat it again, this time louder, "This virus kills!". I begin to shake and tremble. I say it again, louder, "This virus KILLS!". Over and over and over again. I stare unblinking and look myself dead in the eye, by this time I am overcome with fear as I scream at the top of my lungs, "THIS VIRUS KILLS! THIS VIRUS KILLS! THIS VIRUS KILLS!". By the end I am spent, completely drained of all energy both emotionally and physically, I collapse on the floor, openly weeping and retreat into a fetal position as I pass out.

Hours pass, I awake again, it is usually past Noon. I wipe myself with my towel to clean off accumulated sweat, tears and other bodily fluids. I don my masks and then begin my daily routine of hot pockets and watching Netflix but only after I check my calendar and see when I am scheduled to receive my next booster. On that day, I will need to bathe. This is the only time I leave my house. I leave my blinds closed and drawn. I want no infection from the outside world. I live alone with my three cats. They have not been vaccinated. Not yet. I can not keep masks on them, I am growing more and more impatient.

I hear a voice, inside my head. It keeps saying, "two more weeks". Two more weeks, just two more... two more and then I will finally have my life back. Two more weeks...

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1655045653]PHAC confirmed that 51 cases of the BA.2 subvariant have been reported in Canada, mainly from international travellers.

BA.2 is a descendant of the highly transmissible Omicron variant and has been found in at least 40 countries as of Wednesday, according to global coronavirus data sharing platform[/QUOTE]

Oh boy, i better wash the mask, lol.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1655032343]Is there an Asheville in Tennessee? Not sure about Knoxville, but Asheville NC to Chattanooga is like driving to Atlanta. Gotta be 3 to 4 hours, right?[/QUOTE]

4 1/2

I am kind of shiftless now. My daughter is at UTC so I hang out quite a bit with my granddaughter in the area. Western, NC is the closest thing I have to home and I spend as much time there as I can. My family still own property in Cherokee County. I am also in/around Fontana or south of the Rez a couple months a year during the early part of trout season. Only hardly ever go to Asheville for medical care or store bought liquor.

[QUOTE=JUSA;1655048023]This virus kills.

That is the first words I utter from my mouth each and every day. I wake up, splash water onto my face and stare directly into my dingy mirror in my bathroom. I look myself directly in the eye and I begin my mantra. "This virus kills", I say. Silence. I then repeat it again, this time louder, "This virus kills!". I begin to shake and tremble. I say it again, louder, "This virus KILLS!". Over and over and over again. I stare unblinking and look myself dead in the eye, by this time I am overcome with fear as I scream at the top of my lungs, "THIS VIRUS KILLS! THIS VIRUS KILLS! THIS VIRUS KILLS!". By the end I am spent, completely drained of all energy both emotionally and physically, I collapse on the floor, openly weeping and retreat into a fetal position as I pass out.

Hours pass, I awake again, it is usually past Noon. I wipe myself with my towel to clean off accumulated sweat, tears and other bodily fluids. I don my masks and then begin my daily routine of hot pockets and watching Netflix but only after I check my calendar and see when I am scheduled to receive my next booster. On that day, I will need to bathe. This is the only time I leave my house. I leave my blinds closed and drawn. I want no infection from the outside world. I live alone with my three cats. They have not been vaccinated. Not yet. I can not keep masks on them, I am growing more and more impatient.

I hear a voice, inside my head. It keeps saying, "two more weeks". Two more weeks, just two more... two more and then I will finally have my life back. Two more weeks...[/QUOTE]


This was funny!

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1654982283][img]https://i.imgur.com/zSWCTnH.png[/img][/QUOTE]

Whoops...........

Elton John has tested positive for COVID-19, forcing the piano man to reschedule a pair of shows in Dallas. The "Tiny Dancer" singer, 74, announced his diagnosis in an Instagram Story on Tuesday ...

Talking about side effects from the Vaccine.

The first doses back in May and July I felt a little dopy and listless for a day or so, the booster on Dec 26....which was a smaller dose of the same Pfizer, I felt nothing at all...maybe tired that day. I also had the regular seasonal flu shot in early November, no reaction that I noticed.

Does that mean my immune system is screwed or very strong?

[QUOTE=Cantplankwell;1655096783]Talking about side effects from the Vaccine.

The first doses back in May and July I felt a little dopy and listless for a day or so, the booster on Dec 26....which was a smaller dose of the same Pfizer, I felt nothing at all...maybe tired that day. I also had the regular seasonal flu shot in early November, no reaction that I noticed.

Does that mean my immune system is screwed or very strong?[/QUOTE]

Actually the Pfizer booster is supposed to be the same volume as the initial doses

Moderna booster is a smaller dose that initials


I had 3 x pfizer, 1st two felt nothing, booster side effects were was chills, aches, slight headache that started 4 hours post shot and was finished 12 hours later..

This is a troubling article.... Soon there may be nothing to do except to just catch it.

[url]https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-694475[/url]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Mu6vKfB.png[/img]

I still have dizziness from the booster shot 4.5 weeks later.

You better believe that I'm pissed. And of course you can't sue big pharma for any injuries from the vaccines. Who designed this system?

I then posted my story on ********/Meta and they censored me. I'm a peon?! It's not like I'm President Trump!

[QUOTE=DustinTheHuss;1655152393]I still have dizziness from the booster shot 4.5 weeks later.

You better believe that I'm pissed. And of course you can't sue big pharma for any injuries from the vaccines. Who designed this system?

I then posted my story on ********/Meta and they censored me. I'm a peon?! It's not like I'm President Trump![/QUOTE]

Our local cbs channel does fact check segments daily due to misinformation and they just did a segment on suing big pharma with 2 law professors.

Yes you can sue them if certain criteria are met.

Go 49ers

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1655101303]This is a troubling article.... Soon there may be nothing to do except to just catch it.

[url]https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-694475[/url][/QUOTE] Some of us have been saying that from the start. Vaccinate or isolate the elderly and people at risk, the rest of us - live our lives. Get it, achieve herd immunity, move on with our lives.

Catching it for almost everyone who gets it - it's not the end of the world. Some people have a rough time, most do not.

[QUOTE=JUSA;1655164673]Some of us have been saying that from the start. Vaccinate or isolate the elderly and people at risk, the rest of us - live our lives. Get it, achieve herd immunity, move on with our lives.

Catching it for almost everyone who gets it - it's not the end of the world. Some people have a rough time, most do not.[/QUOTE]

I would never pretend to be an expert from the start on something new, that I know nothing about from a lab in China, but that is just me......
We are as good as our information and rational decision making.

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1655167933]and rational decision making.[/QUOTE]And in the end this is what it comes down to. Digest all the info and go with your gut feeling

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1655167933]I would never pretend to be an expert from the start on something new, that I know nothing about from a lab in China, but that is just me......
We are as good as our information and rational decision making.[/QUOTE]

So you only hold convictions about things on which you are an expert?

[QUOTE=ectoBgone;1655170053]So you only hold convictions about things on which you are an expert?[/QUOTE]

Said no one, especially me.
He and i have a long history, so there was some of that in the post. :)

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1655170353]Said no one, especially me.
He and i have a long history, so there was some of that in the post. :)[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. It just seemed arbitrarily dismissive especially when it was a very rational decision from the start based on what we already knew about coronaviruses.

[QUOTE=JUSA;1655164673]Some of us have been saying that from the start. Vaccinate or isolate the elderly and people at risk, the rest of us - live our lives. Get it, achieve herd immunity, move on with our lives.

Catching it for almost everyone who gets it - it's not the end of the world. Some people have a rough time, most do not.[/QUOTE]
That's roughly speaking the original public health position that we had in the UK Q1 2020, but it was politically unacceptable and at that point vaccination was unavailable, so they stopped saying it for a while and came back to that public-opinion recently.

The political problem is when you say the majority of people are OK, say for sh!ts and giggles during 2020 that's 95% or whatever of people catching it, you still have 1/20 people getting scr3wed over especially if they are elderly or vulnerable.

Any public policy that pivots on accepting the most vulnerable members of society are getting scr3wed isn't seen as some kind of moral gold-standard. The most successful political approach has been "look busy" whether or not it's fair or helpful activity they were busy doing.

What a big steaming turd COVID has been for everyone (except the very few individuals and corporations who have richly capitalised on this).

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1655186253]What a big steaming turd COVID has been for everyone (except the very few individuals and corporations who have richly capitalised on this).[/QUOTE]

I work for a CPA firm and it's been sickening to see how much money the Gov has tossed around carelessly to people/businesses who didn't even need it.

This is not conjecture: We have witnessed over a dozen of our clients who have become millionaires from the handouts. Literally has made me nauseous.

[QUOTE=bustasinclair;1655188333]I work for a CPA firm and it's been sickening to see how much money the Gov has tossed around carelessly to people/businesses who didn't even need it.

This is not conjecture: We have witnessed over a dozen of our clients who have become millionaires from the handouts. Literally has made me nauseous.[/QUOTE]And that money does nothing for the economy most of the time. It just sits in a bank account for those companies. Even worse, it made a lot of people not want to work.

[QUOTE=bustasinclair;1655188333]I work for a CPA firm and it's been sickening to see how much money the Gov has tossed around carelessly to people/businesses who didn't even need it.

This is not conjecture: We have witnessed over a dozen of our clients who have become millionaires from the handouts. Literally has made me nauseous.[/QUOTE]

Well here in DC it is all about contracts contracts and more contracts, even if you don't produce much.

Who you know, not what you do.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/1dPsUYO.jpg?1[/img]

Flying to Florida tomorrow. Going to see a lot of people and go to Disney World with my wife's family, so got a booster yesterday.

Easy enough and I figure there's less chance of me getting sick down there and having to pay for a hotel room and flight changes to stay longer. Probably should have gotten it last week, but I was too lazy.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1655411713]Flying to Florida tomorrow. Going to see a lot of people and go to Disney World with my wife's family, so got a booster yesterday.

Easy enough and I figure there's less chance of me getting sick down there and having to pay for a hotel room and flight changes to stay longer. Probably should have gotten it last week, but I was too lazy.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the Master Race.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1655411903]Welcome to the Master Race.[/QUOTE]

Still not having luck connecting my brain to wi-fi and I haven't notice a Wolverine like healing factor. I'm thinking maybe they gave me the cheap stuff. Again ... .

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1655423353]Still not having luck connecting my brain to wi-fi and I haven't notice a Wolverine like healing factor. I'm thinking maybe they gave me the cheap stuff. Again ... .[/QUOTE]

Are you magnetic?
You may be a mutant and a potential X-man?

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1655423353]Still not having luck connecting my brain to wi-fi and I haven't notice a Wolverine like healing factor. I'm thinking maybe they gave me the cheap stuff. Again ... .[/QUOTE]

So you are not getting any of the sought after side effects, and it gives you zero protection from Omicron? :p

Seriously though, there was a week when 90% of our cases were vaccinated and boosted. Our numbers are absolutely nose diving now, hospitalizations getting cleared out at 60/day new cases and positivity rate dropping precipitously. These retards here (politicians mostly and their political medical science experts with years of science school) are still touting the vaccines and masks lol….I mean they weren’t working for a couple months, but they must be working again now since post-infection immunity surely isn’t real…:D

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1655431713]So you are not getting any of the sought after side effects, and it gives you zero protection from Omicron? :p
[/QUOTE]

Zero?
I've probably got a good 3 months protection against a symptomatic case of the little o, maybe more, and lifetime against delta and wt, which are still more virulent. Probably against any of the unidentified close variants of those 2 old timers as well. ;)

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/us/lockdowns-reduced-covid-19-mortality-by-2-study-finds-lockdowns-should-be-rejected-out-of-hand[/url]

[QUOTE=muchacho1asdf;1655523993]^
social sciences meta analysis
yawn[/QUOTE]

I know this is [>35] MISC section, and I have the worlds most DYEL physique and no big numbers so I'm not exactly Mr Lifting. [i]But even I hit the gym (when not currently isolating) and sometimes post about training[/i].

Feel free to post on weights too ;)

[img]https://i.imgur.com/gcTzbKQ.png[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ZYY8WDd.png[/img]

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1655614013][img]https://i.imgur.com/ZYY8WDd.png[/img][/QUOTE]lol classic. You come up with the best memes where do you find these??