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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1636151073]This makes perfect cents :confused:[/QUOTE]
He's our special boy. :D
[QUOTE=ChazWood;1636152343]He's our special boy. :D[/QUOTE]
Should be simple enough, maybe he the stupid one?
I'll repeat, If I got a headache that's so bad I want to die, I'll take a chance on an asprin.
I'm not taking a vax while feeling good to make someone else feel good, then get sick from vax, or some other risk.
[QUOTE=LWW;1636152633]Should be simple enough, maybe he the stupid one?
I'll repeat, If I got a headache that's so bad I want to die, I'll take a chance on an asprin.
I'm not taking a vax while feeling good to make someone else feel good, then get sick from vax, or some other risk.[/QUOTE]
But dude, if you croak then they'll mount a plaque on the wall of your gym with yur ugly mug and the caption "He was a dipchit but he gave his life for others so it wasn't a complete waste." :p
[QUOTE=ChazWood;1636153013]But dude, if you croak then they'll mount a plaque on the wall of your gym with yur ugly mug and the caption "He was a dipchit but he gave his life for others so it wasn't a complete waste." :p[/QUOTE]
What is this "give your life for others" nonsense? I've never had Rona, if I suspect I could, I'll stay home, simple enough. Oh no that ain't good enough for the authority clowns. Fuk 'em.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1636149463]
I hear that IEDs can increase the risk of blood loss....[/QUOTE]
If that’s the case, the Taliban are in big trouble.
[QUOTE=Karl_Hungus;1636149743]It does seem odd that they are pausing the vaccine for 6 cases out of 7 million. The risks of a serious adverse event from Tylenol, Advil, or aspirin is considerably higher than this. I would guess that this would be well within the acceptable range for adverse events.[/QUOTE]
One death out of 6.8 million doses so far, and the other 5 clot victims is that outside the statistical norm for 7 million people? Something doesn't seem right here?
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1636149463]I hear that IEDs can increase the risk of blood loss....[/QUOTE]
I think you meant IUDs.
But you are also right. Improvised Explosive Devices can cause blood loss.
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[url]https://www.cityam.com/almost-half-of-us-marines-have-declined-covid-vaccine-data-shows/[/url]
[quote]Around 40 per cent of US Marines have chosen not to receive a Covid-19 vaccination, according to new data.
Data provided by the service shows that as of last week, 75,500 Marines have received a vaccination, while 48,000 have declined the jab.
The declination rate at the Camp Lejeune facility in North Carolina was even higher, at 57 per cent.
At the camp, of the 26,400 Marines who were offered vaccines, more than 15,000 chose not to receive them.
“We fully understand that widespread acceptance of the Covid-19 vaccine provides us with the best means to defeat the pandemic. The key to addressing the pandemic is building vaccine confidence,” Marine Corps spokeswoman Col. Kelly Frushour told CNN in a statement.
Frushour said there are several potential reasons why Marines are choosing not to have the jab, such as allowing others to receive it first or waiting until it becomes mandatory.
“Service members who decline one day can change their mind and become vaccinated when next the opportunity presents itself,” she said.
Officials say most of the vaccine hesitancy comes from concerns about the speed at which they were developed and fears over long-term effects.
Last month, a group of Democratic lawmakers called on Joe Biden to issue a “wavier of informed consent” to make vaccinations mandatory for US military service members.[/quote]
Jarheads are tired of being guinea pigs, that's why. And so naturally the USG doesn't want to give them a choice.
[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1636161643]I think you meant IUDs.
But you are also right. Improvised Explosive Devices can cause blood loss.
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Ooh..that was the joke I think.
I was trying to figure out what he's talking about. :o
[QUOTE=Cass40;1636161973]Ooh..that was the joke I think.
I was trying to figure out what he's talking about. :o[/QUOTE]
It was a joke, but not a very good joke....
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1636170843]It was a joke, but not a very good joke....[/QUOTE]
I thought it was funny!
Hi. not yet. hope to be get in next season
COPENHAGEN (Reuters) -Denmark on Wednesday will become the first country to entirely cease administering AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine following its possible link to very rare cases of blood clots, several Danish media outlets reported on Wednesday, citing unnamed sources.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1636135433]If I was not nearly 100% sure that I already had covid, and therefore have post infection immunity, I would get the vaccine...[/QUOTE]
Isn't that going back well over a year now? For how long do you expect your first exposure to provide sufficient immunity, particularly in light of mutations?
I'm in a similar boat as you of high certainty for having caught it early but that's going on 15 months ago now and I'm thinking that immunity is probably not that great anymore, particularly in light of likely mutations.
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1636130753]
Well that was working out real well.
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It's working out pretty well for me.
What do you mean when the next one hits? These viruses come and go every few years. This isn't even a serious one. Yet, for whatever reason this one is lockdown worthy.
[QUOTE=_zman;1636177073]It's working out pretty well for me.
What do you mean when the next one hits? These viruses come and go every few years. This isn't even a serious one. Yet, for whatever reason this one is lockdown worthy.[/QUOTE]
Let's discuss the word that you selected serious.
"This isn't even a serious one."
Serious depends on how your particular body reacts to the particular strain or variant of covid which you are exposed to. It also depends on your overall health and what pre existing conditions you have. I know some "healthy on the outside" folks with some autoimmune diseases that consider this virus serious to them.
Please try to expand your critical thinking to outside.....n=1, kthanks!
[QUOTE=ectoBgone;1636172883]Isn't that going back well over a year now? For how long do you expect your first exposure to provide sufficient immunity, particularly in light of mutations?
I'm in a similar boat as you of high certainty for having caught it early but that's going on 15 months ago now and I'm thinking that immunity is probably not that great anymore, particularly in light of likely mutations.[/QUOTE]
I had a long response typed out out it keeps giving me an error message. I'd expect cellular mediated immunity (t-cells) to be measured in years or decades rather than months. Unless there is a major genetic shift in the virus which hasn't happened yet.
The virus would have been having mutations from the start. Nothing new there, that's what happens (transcription errors/genetic drift). If it mutates enough that vaccine generated or post infection immunity is no longer effective cases will skyrocket again, big time.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1636180623]Let's discuss the word that you selected serious.
"This isn't even a serious one."
Serious depends on how your particular body reacts to the particular strain or variant of covid which you are exposed to. It also depends on your overall health and what pre existing conditions you have. I know some "healthy on the outside" folks with some autoimmune diseases that consider this virus serious to them.
Please try to expand your critical thinking to outside.....n=1, kthanks![/QUOTE]
If it doesn't affect the avg person with a risk of death or long term disability then it's not something I'd consider serious, personally. Definitely not something serious enough to shut down the economy or change our way of life. I'd say ebola was pretty serious.
Out of the few people I know that have had c-19, it was not an enjoyable time, but none of them died or have had long term effects. For context, I'd say my social circle is rather large and spreads throughout the world.
I just wish this sort of community effort would go into things we can control, like diet, like our health and fitness to combat things like heart disease and obesity, which are almost completely preventable. These are things that affect the average person and what health care professionals face all day, every day. Obesity is the real problem in society. My circle of health care professionals' day to day is treating symptoms of obesity the majority of the day. Covid is a blip in the radar compared to the issues of obesity.
[QUOTE=_zman;1636183493]If it doesn't affect the avg person with a risk of death or long term disability then it's not something I'd consider serious, personally. Definitely not something serious enough to shut down the economy or change our way of life. I'd say ebola was pretty serious.
Out of the few people I know that have had c-19, it was not an enjoyable time, but none of them died or have had long term effects. For context, I'd say my social circle is rather large and spreads throughout the world.
I just wish this sort of community effort would go into things we can control, like diet, like our health and fitness to combat things like heart disease and obesity, which are almost completely preventable. These are things that affect the average person and what health care professionals face all day, every day. Obesity is the real problem in society. My circle of health care professionals' day to day is treating symptoms of obesity the majority of the day. Covid is a blip in the radar compared to the issues of obesity.[/QUOTE]
There's no money in prevention ;)
Plus people are lazy and would rather take a script than put in the effort required for healthy lifestyle choices to have a measurable effect on overall health.
[QUOTE=_zman;1636183493]If it doesn't affect the avg person with a risk of death or long term disability then it's not something I'd consider serious, personally. Definitely not something serious enough to shut down the economy or change our way of life. I'd say ebola was pretty serious.
Out of the few people I know that have had c-19, it was not an enjoyable time, but none of them died or have had long term effects. For context, I'd say my social circle is rather large and spreads throughout the world.
I just wish this sort of community effort would go into things we can control, like diet, like our health and fitness to combat things like heart disease and obesity, which are almost completely preventable. These are things that affect the average person and what health care professionals face all day, every day. Obesity is the real problem in society. My circle of health care professionals' day to day is treating symptoms of obesity the majority of the day. Covid is a blip in the radar compared to the issues of obesity.[/QUOTE]
We have common ground on the obesity part, which is a years long effort for most people or we wouldn't have a diet industry that lasts for decades. A diet is supposed to be a temporary fix for a weight problem, not a lifelong struggle for millions. So there are larger factors at play regarding the obesity epidemic.
As for covid, I know people that have been wrecked and still have issues and for some it was less severe than a flu from the prior year; I just don't want to sweep them all into 1 basket. In one family all 3 members responded differently so who can predict that!?
In the most extreme case she has heart damage from her battle last year.
As for the economy, it sucks, but the world took the medical advice regarding hospitals and ran with it.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1636184833]There's no money in prevention ;)
Plus people are lazy and would rather take a script than put in the effort required for healthy lifestyle choices to have a measurable effect on overall health.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, i knew this about the healthcare industry before becoming a part of it, but seeing it first hand with all the details has been tough for me to accept. The money making machine aspect...
Yeah, I was just discussing this with my chiro after I exhausted all options and he told me the same exact thing. People want to do the bare minimum and expect him to fix their bad habits without doing anything on their end.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1636185903]We have common ground on the obesity part, which is a years long effort for most people or we wouldn't have a diet industry that lasts for decades. A diet is supposed to be a temporary fix for a weight problem, not a lifelong struggle for millions. So there are larger factors at play regarding the obesity epidemic.
As for covid, I know people that have been wrecked and still have issues and for some it was less severe than a flu from the prior year; I just don't want to sweep them all into 1 basket. In one family all 3 members responded differently so who can predict that!?
In the most extreme case she has heart damage from her battle last year.
As for the economy, it sucks, but the world took the medical advice regarding hospitals and ran with it.[/QUOTE]
I don't think a diet is a temporary fix. After helping my friend lose 250+lbs, at some point you have to accept this has no good ending and you have to change everything in your life or live in misery and shame. And I'd say the FDA and it's lack of regulation on the food industry is partly to blame here. But at some point we all have to take personal responsibility for ourselves and determine our own level of risk regarding diet or covid. The govt isn't going to fix our diets or eliminate covid-19. But some basic regulatory measures, I encourage that. EUA of a vaccine and shoving it down our throats, closing down business, no concerts, no visiting loved ones, lockdowns, I don't accept any of that. This isn't the black plague. It's not going to eliminate life on this planet. We're all individuals that have our own level of risk parameters and tolerance.
_zman, I am curious if you would disclose the type of position you hold within the healthcare indistry
[QUOTE=_zman;1636187833] But some basic regulatory measures, I encourage that. [/QUOTE]
Such as?
One in a million chance of getting blood clots from the vaccine vs. 17 out of million from covid. Or something like that. And was it up to half covid survivors get fatigue that lasts up to ten weeks? Some have lingering symptoms for years. Let's not undermine the covid. Although I think we all end up getting it sooner or later and that's why I agree that we all need to get healthy in the meanwhile.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1636188513]_zman, I am curious if you would disclose the type of position you hold within the healthcare indistry[/QUOTE]
I work closely with every department and component. My title isn't of much use to the internet or anyone I know frankly, since it's hard to explain to anyone in person. And I prefer anonymity. Honestly, I don't know one person that knows or understands what I do other than my boss.
[QUOTE=eomrat;1636188993]Such as?[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to play a Fauci role in this. I have an individualistic type approach to most issues.
[QUOTE=_zman;1636193213]... I don't know one person that knows or understands what I do other than my boss...[/QUOTE] You have much to learn.
It's essential in any job, that your boss doesn't understand exactly what you do but believes it's something very important whatever it is.
[QUOTE=_zman;1636193213]
I'm not going to play a Fauci role in this. I have an individualistic type approach to most issues.[/QUOTE]
Regulations are not individualistic.
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1636195803]You have much to learn.
It's essential in any job, that your boss doesn't understand exactly what you do but believes it's something very important whatever it is.[/QUOTE]
I do have a lot to learn. He's been here for like 30 years, me only a few. We teach each other a lot of things. Best boss I've had so far.
[QUOTE=eomrat;1636197173]Regulations are not individualistic.[/QUOTE]
Sure they are, I speed every time I drive. Unreasonable regulations aren't followed, prime example c-19 regulations.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1636192163]One in a million chance of getting blood clots from the vaccine vs. 17 out of million from covid. [/QUOTE]
I've seen between 100,000 and 300,000 out of a million for blood clot risk for severe covid, depending on how you define severe.
In any case, the risk of blood clots from the vaccine is orders of magnitude lower than the blood clot risk from the disease or from many other common things.
Anyone who is choosing to not get the vaccine is not making that choice based on the risk of blood clots.