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[QUOTE=bustasinclair;1652587993]One of my co workers is out with Covid for the second time. He had it just before I did last year. He's only 26 years old and unvaccinated (not that it matters). He's working from home with mild symptoms. No idea if he has the new variant or not. I wonder how rare it is to get Covid twice? Think I'll do a quick search..........[/QUOTE]
It's not that uncommon from the few times I have read about it. I guess some people are more susceptible...?
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1652588793]It's not that uncommon from the few times I have read about it. I guess some people are more susceptible...?[/QUOTE]
I've clicked on several links in my quick search. They're all saying it's rare, but it happens. Maybe he is more susceptible, who knows. He contracted it the first time in May 2020; antibodies are likely long gone.
[QUOTE=bustasinclair;1652587993]One of my co workers is out with Covid for the second time. He had it just before I did last year. He's only 26 years old and unvaccinated (not that it matters). He's working from home with mild symptoms. No idea if he has the new variant or not. I wonder how rare it is to get Covid twice? Think I'll do a quick search..........[/QUOTE]
The doc on JRE says it's impossible to get it twice.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652587803]There's a mandate.
Also, I had been to every guitar shop within an hours drive of that one before I bought a(nuther) guitar. They all have mask requirements and that shop, which is quite nice, even had a box of masks sitting by the door with a sign saying feel free to take one.
The guy was just making his and his wife's lives more difficult and limiting his options. They said he was the second person to do that in the past week.
That's the cardiologist who is getting in trouble for continuing to pretend he's affiliated with Baylor but doing quite well for himself by pretending he knows something about COVID and epidemiology. Bayor actually had to get a restraining order against him since he's no longer with them.
I've heard him speak but wasn't even slightly impressed. Being very familiar with his material, it was easy to see that a lot of what he said was laughable. The only question is whether it's intentional misinterpretation of data or he's got something else going on. I'm not going to listen to him again. I'll stick with Joe Rogan for that type scientific data ;)[/QUOTE]
I'd love to hear someone refute what he's saying. IIRC he claimed he authored the most articles.
[QUOTE=bustasinclair;1652589553]I've clicked on several links in my quick search. They're all saying it's rare, but it happens. Maybe he is more susceptible, who knows. He contracted it the first time in May 2020; antibodies are likely long gone.[/QUOTE]
I am sure that is probably accurate. I hope your co-worker comes out of it ok.
[QUOTE=_zman;1652589833]The doc on JRE says it's impossible to get it twice.[/quote]
Hmmm..... well, I guess maybe he has Covid-20 then.
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1652590083]I am sure that is probably accurate. I hope your co-worker comes out of it ok.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, Mark. I'm sure he'll be fine; he's a young pup. :)
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[QUOTE=_zman;1652589833]I'd love to hear someone refute what he's saying. IIRC he claimed he authored the most articles.[/QUOTE]
So a cardiologist getting paid to be on talk shows and who has a restraining order against him related to claiming a current affiliation with Baylor Medical Center, is also claiming he wrote the "most" articles on a viral pandemic. Yeah, that makes sense.
Did he say he wrote the most, or that he published the most, and if it's the second, were any COVID related articles in peer reviewed journals?
Also, it is hard for me to believe he'd say it's impossible to get SARS CoV2 twice. He's obviously not an expert, but that claim would be so far from reality that it seems like saying it would be talk show circuit suicide.
Ontario Canada is reducing the wait time for boosters to 3 months because of the new variant
I can see more following suit on this.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652595133]
Did he say he wrote the most, or that he published the most, and if it's the second, were any COVID related articles in peer reviewed journals?
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Don't recall. There was too much to recall out of 3 hours of content.
Here's a bunch - [url]https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Peter-A-McCullough-38989664[/url]
[QUOTE=_zman;1652601523]Don't recall. There was too much to recall out of 3 hours of content.
Here's a bunch - [url]https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Peter-A-McCullough-38989664[/url][/QUOTE]
That's pretty entertaining if you open the links and look into them. An unblinded trial on Ivermectin with no actual control arm, which is actually just a pre-print that wasn't even reviewed. An abstract with no text that says Favipavir might work, that he typed up a month before it got approved. So he typed a paragraph saying something might work after it had been studied and submitted for approval. Others papers were published in MDPI journals or on web boards.
There are actually some that look reasonable, but they're all vascular/cardiac topics unrelated to COVID. I stopped opening stuff when it got to 2019.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652587803]There's a mandate.
Also, I had been to every guitar shop within an hours drive of that one before I bought a(nuther) guitar. They all have mask requirements and that shop, which is quite nice, [b]even had a box of masks sitting by the door with a sign saying feel free to take one. [/b]
The guy was just making his and his wife's lives more difficult and limiting his options. They said he was the second person to do that in the past week.
That's the cardiologist who is getting in trouble for continuing to pretend he's affiliated with Baylor but doing quite well for himself by pretending he knows something about COVID and epidemiology. Bayor actually had to get a restraining order against him since he's no longer with them.
I've heard him speak but wasn't even slightly impressed. Being very familiar with his material, it was easy to see that a lot of what he said was laughable. The only question is whether it's intentional misinterpretation of data or he's got something else going on. I'm not going to listen to him again. I'll stick with Joe Rogan for that type scientific data ;)[/QUOTE]
Do you see any issue with the bolded. I mean I guess if they were individually bagged, but I’m not sure it would be wise to reach into the grab bag of masks that someone else just reached their gubery hand into then put that over my mouth and nose. But new science is unique. Perhaps the mask protects from that eh. Lol
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1652604213]Do you see any issue with the bolded. I mean I guess if they were individually bagged, but I’m not sure it would be wise to reach into the grab bag of masks that someone else just reached their gubery hand into then put that over my mouth and nose. But new science is unique. Perhaps the mask protects from that eh. Lol[/QUOTE]
Nah, it was a box of surgical masks. A, you'd only touch the top mask, so if you were concerned, you could take 2 and toss the first, and B, the face side is down, so the part you put against your face wasn't exposed until you took a mask out of the box. That's good critical thinking though. Like that you thought of the possible risk! I hadn't considered it.
Your question reminds me of something that happened over 20 years ago. One of my ID attendings, really smart guy that I really liked working with, dropped the pen he was chewing on on the floor while we were rounding. He just picked it up and put it right back in his mouth. I asked, "Kemper, given all the antibiotic resistant bugs we have on the unit, isn't sticking that back in your mouth after it was on the floor a bad idea?" He just laughed and told me his immune system was working fine.
He did make us mask up if we had a patient with an unknown respiratory infection and upper lobe findings, and we'd put the patient in a mask too until we could get them to a negative pressure room and obtain sputum for staining.
Unless you think someone is sabotaging their complimentary masks, you're pretty safe taking one (but I don't recommend chewing on items off the floor of the hospital)
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652607273]Nah, it was a box of surgical masks. A, you'd only touch the top mask, so if you were concerned, you could take 2 and toss the first, and B, the face side is down, so the part you put against your face wasn't exposed until you took a mask out of the box. That's good critical thinking though. Like that you thought of the possible risk! I hadn't considered it.
Your question reminds me of something that happened over 20 years ago. One of my ID attendings, really smart guy that I really liked working with, dropped the pen he was chewing on on the floor while we were rounding. He just picked it up and put it right back in his mouth. I asked, "Kemper, given all the antibiotic resistant bugs we have on the unit, isn't sticking that back in your mouth after it was on the floor a bad idea?" He just laughed and told me his immune system was working fine.
He did make us mask up if we had a patient with an unknown respiratory infection and upper lobe findings, and we'd put the patient in a mask too until we could get them to a negative pressure room and obtain sputum for staining.
Unless you think someone is sabotaging their complimentary masks, you're pretty safe taking one (but I don't recommend chewing on items off the floor of the hospital)[/QUOTE]
Way back in March of 2020 I was creating all kinds of plans based on actual pathology and disease prevention. There is an OSHA requirement for what I mentioned under the voluntary respiratory protection program guidelines. In fact, OSHA already had very comprehensive guidelines for respiratory disease prevention from 09 swine. But yeah, grab bag of masks isn’t a very good idea. That said, the virus probably only remains viable on porous material such as masks for minutes to hours as apposed to being on stainless steel or suspended in air. I’d wear a random mask off of the ground if I needed to, because I just am not concerned about it at all. I’ve got kids in school, help coach 150 snotty nose maskless kids in wrestling etc. I’m seemingly still covid proof, nearly two years after having it.
Check out this article I found, any truth to it :p
[url]https://babylonbee.com/news/automation-more-doctors-being-replaced-by-kiosks-that-just-play-pfizer-commercials[/url]
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1652608333]Check out this article I found, any truth to it :p
[url]https://babylonbee.com/news/automation-more-doctors-being-replaced-by-kiosks-that-just-play-pfizer-commercials[/url][/QUOTE]
Seems efficient to me and it's a good stepping stone towards AI doctors (who will have less bias and more data than a organic doctor).
It reminds me of that article about how some California Pharma labs are switching from using rats in their early animal testing to using lawyers. It made sense since there were more lawyers around than rats, the lab techs didn't get as attached to the lawyers, and most importantly, because they had figured out that there were some they just couldn't get the rats to do.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1652633943][img]https://i.imgur.com/B7cPTp6.png[/img][/QUOTE]
I would buy one!
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652639053]Seems efficient to me and it's a good stepping stone towards AI doctors (who will have less bias and more data than a organic doctor).
It reminds me of that article about how some California Pharma labs are switching from using rats in their early animal testing to using lawyers. It made sense since there were more lawyers around than rats, the lab techs didn't get as attached to the lawyers, and most importantly, because they had figured out that there were some they just couldn't get the rats to do.
I would buy one![/QUOTE]Using politicians also would be a plus.
[QUOTE=Tommy W.;1652640713]Using politicians also would be a plus.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652595133]So a cardiologist getting paid to be on talk shows and who has a restraining order against him related to claiming a current affiliation with Baylor Medical Center, is also claiming he wrote the "most" articles on a viral pandemic. Yeah, that makes sense.
Did he say he wrote the most, or that he published the most, and if it's the second, were any COVID related articles in peer reviewed journals?
Also, it is hard for me to believe he'd say it's impossible to get SARS CoV2 twice. He's obviously not an expert, but that claim would be so far from reality that it seems like saying it would be talk show circuit suicide.[/QUOTE]
He did claim you can not get SARS CoV2 twice. He claims that there has yet to be a confirmed 2nd infection. He had some parameters for confirmation (I only remember 1. A PCR positive with a low cycle rate less than 28). He claimed that likely 1 or both were false positives if you've think you've had it twice.
The beginning of the interview he was pretty subdued, but by the end, he was very full of himself. I'm not educated enough to refute any of the information he threw out there. I guess I should go back and actually watch it as he was going over some slides with Joe and I was just listening in my car while commuting.
[QUOTE=litljay;1652646163]He did claim you can not get SARS CoV2 twice. He claims that there has yet to be a confirmed 2nd infection. He had some parameters for confirmation (I only remember 1. A PCR positive with a low cycle rate less than 28). He claimed that likely 1 or both were false positives if you've think you've had it twice.
The beginning of the interview he was pretty subdued, but by the end, he was very full of himself. I'm not educated enough to refute any of the information he threw out there. I guess I should go back and actually watch it as he was going over some slides with Joe and I was just listening in my car while commuting.[/QUOTE]
IIRC they didn't show the slides, he just read them off. And yeah, by the end he got a bit over confident, which was a turn off. Not quite Fauci level though.
[QUOTE=litljay;1652646163]He did claim you can not get SARS CoV2 twice. He claims that there has yet to be a confirmed 2nd infection. He had some parameters for confirmation (I only remember 1. A PCR positive with a low cycle rate less than 28). [/QUOTE]
The problem is there's variability in when during a person's infection we test them, in the swabbing procedure, and in the patient. That said, even CT of 28 probably isn't low enough to make him right, especially with various strains, but he is at least hedging. The odds a second infection will be as bad at the first are low since you have (hopefully) some immunity already. If we looked and got good swabs, we could obviously find people who were infected 2 years ago who are now testing positive with under 28 cycles, but again, different strains, different swabs, so I suspect he'll have more criteria. If he specifies enough of them, he probably could make it impossible to meet them all, but does that make it a valid definition of reinfection?
What do you think? I don't have time to listen to him.
Edit to add:
[url]https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0251214[/url]
some cases showed + in less than 25CT. Even so, recurrence at the level they set .04%
Also, google this one: "Reverse-transcribed SARS-CoV-2 RNA can integrate into the genome of cultured human cells and can be expressed in patient-derived tissues."
I had speculated on this way back and kind of dismissed the risk from both the J&J vaccine and the virus, but it's an interesting article. Worth considering when we compare the risks related to aquiring "natural immunity" vs an mRNA vaccine. It's just one article, so don't get worried about a zombie apocalypse or anything ;)
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652650003]The problem is there's variability in when during a person's infection we test them, in the swabbing procedure, and in the patient. That said, even CT of 28 probably isn't low enough to make him right, especially with various strains, but he is at least hedging. The odds a second infection will be as bad at the first are low since you have (hopefully) some immunity already. If we looked and got good swabs, we could obviously find people who were infected 2 years ago who are now testing positive with under 28 cycles, but again, different strains, different swabs, so I suspect he'll have more criteria. If he specifies enough of them, he probably could make it impossible to meet them all, but does that make it a valid definition of reinfection?
What do you think? I don't have time to listen to him.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what to think anymore. There's a ton of questions that have never been answered satisfactorily IMO and they go through some of them in this episode. It is 3 hours long and I was listening in about 30 minute drive sessions.
I'm 2 shot vaxed with Moderna since March '21. I've never had Covid (that I'm aware of). I don't know anybody that has had it twice, but know quite a few that have been vaxed and got it. One was in pretty bad shape and had to have surgery to remove blood clots from his lungs.
He made some VERY valid points with regard to early treatment protocol and the severe lack of pre-hospitalization treatment. If you get Covid, the current message from the medical community is to go home and isolate. If it gets bad, go to the hospital. Well, his point is that we need to lessen the chances of that person getting to the hospital with early intervention protocol as once you progress to the point of hospitalization, the current medication available efficacy dwindles.
I'm guessing that he was 70/30. 70% of the crap out of his mouth was valid and 30% is on shaky ground.
[QUOTE=litljay;1652663173]I don't know what to think anymore. There's a ton of questions that have never been answered satisfactorily IMO and they go through some of them in this episode. It is 3 hours long and I was listening in about 30 minute drive sessions.
I'm 2 shot vaxed with Moderna since March '21. I've never had Covid (that I'm aware of). I don't know anybody that has had it twice, but know quite a few that have been vaxed and got it. One was in pretty bad shape and had to have surgery to remove blood clots from his lungs.
He made some VERY valid points with regard to early treatment protocol and the severe lack of pre-hospitalization treatment. If you get Covid, the current message from the medical community is to go home and isolate. If it gets bad, go to the hospital. Well, his point is that we need to lessen the chances of that person getting to the hospital with early intervention protocol as once you progress to the point of hospitalization, the current medication available efficacy dwindles.
I'm guessing that he was 70/30. 70% of the crap out of his mouth was valid and 30% is on shaky ground.[/QUOTE]
I'd say more like 90/10. I would only say 70/30 because he's going against every narrative that's been put out by the MSM, FDA, CDC, Govt., big tech, Bill Gates, etc.
Not sure when people started trusting those establishments. MSM stopped covering Afghanistan a decade ago, clearly biased on every topic, clearly bought and paid for now by Bill Gates himself with 9 figure donations. FDA led us to a chit diet that causes heart disease and cancer, opioid epidemic...eh I could go on all night...
[QUOTE=_zman;1652680913]I'd say more like 90/10. I would only say 70/30 because he's going against every narrative that's been put out by the MSM, FDA, CDC, Govt., big tech, Bill Gates, etc.
Not sure when people started trusting those establishments. MSM stopped covering Afghanistan a decade ago, clearly biased on every topic, clearly bought and paid for now by Bill Gates himself with 9 figure donations. FDA led us to a chit diet that causes heart disease and cancer, opioid epidemic...eh I could go on all night...[/QUOTE]
Like most things, the answer is somewhere in the middle.
I'm in Cali and they just re-instated the mask mandate. The press release claimed "because of a 47% increase in cases since Thanksgiving". That's pretty misleading as reporting on Thanksgiving was likely stupid low. And, 3 days previous to Thanksgiving cases were exactly what we are seeing today. So, the baseline used is the lowest case rate day since July. Pretty misleading and really poor justification for more mandates.
[QUOTE=litljay;1652704573]Like most things, the answer is somewhere in the middle.
I'm in Cali and they just re-instated the mask mandate. The press release claimed "because of a 47% increase in cases since Thanksgiving". That's pretty misleading as reporting on Thanksgiving was likely stupid low. And, 3 days previous to Thanksgiving cases were exactly what we are seeing today. So, the baseline used is the lowest case rate day since July. Pretty misleading and really poor justification for more mandates.[/QUOTE]
The problem with statistics is how they can pick and choose data to fit their fear mongering narrative. My former employer, a giant medical center, became the king of data manipulation to make everything related to covid look worse than it is. Like making it appear people were in the ICU for covid, but w/covid was the accurate statement. Employees would call them out on it, but the mass of people drinking the kool-aid is more than enough to shun alternative views.
According to an insider there, there was a huge increase in people at risk for suicide, so much so that they can't hire enough people to watch them all. I confirmed this by checking their "career openings." When I tried to confront them on this issue, they deleted my comments and concerns so other employees couldn't see what lock downs and isolation was really doing. I know more people that have offed themselves than that have died of covid.
They amputate limbs daily due to obesity and diabetes according to a technician that works in surgery. They send me pictures unfortunately that I can't unsee. They had to expand the heart surgery rooms for everything related to heart disease and obesity as well. It's been a money making machine.
But yeah, Covid is the problem. Not the decisions and lack their of, leading up to this or handling it. Medical Centers and hospitals due far too little in preventative care, just treat the symptoms after it's far too late and profit more that way. It's flat out disgusting what they're doing.
This medical center is supposed to be cutting edge in new forms of treatment and research, but said and did nothing until the outbreak occurred. But they had 4-5 months to prepare for it and develop treatment plans far in advance if they just read international news. And according to the Dr. on the podcast, they're still doing nothing for at home treatment, and why would they if they can't make as much money on that form of care.
I couldn't stand to watch it or have anything to do with anymore and left when the mandate came and missed the bonus for being vaxxed..just lol at the coercion tactics that go against medical ethics. Even confronted the ethics department on the measures they were taking. Got no response or feedback from them other than, "oh, i have not read that." They lost a lot of good employees over it.
Have my Booster scheduled for Dec 27,
also had my seasonal flu shot two weeks ago.
Co-worker: both of his elderly parents have it, thankfully they are only mildly ill, co-worker tests negative
My son who lives with us (ya...still) went out of town to see some friends last weekend, one of those friends called last night to tell him he tested positive (his friend has attended some other parties this week...after that weekend), anyway my son has to isolate and get tested now...no symptoms so far.
good news: gym I go to now has not had any outbreaks, but I heard they may have to reduce capacity to 50%.
This virus is knocking on our door.
[QUOTE=Cantplankwell;1652710143]Have my Booster scheduled for Dec 27,
also had my seasonal flu shot two weeks ago.
Co-worker: both of his elderly parents have it, thankfully they are only mildly ill, co-worker tests negative
My son who lives with us (ya...still) went out of town to see some friends last weekend, one of those friends called last night to tell him he tested positive (his friend has attended some other parties this week...after that weekend), anyway my son has to isolate and get tested now...no symptoms so far.
good news: gym I go to now has not had any outbreaks, but I heard they may have to reduce capacity to 50%.
This virus is knocking on our door.[/QUOTE]
Dang man, that sh!t is all around you, hope your son stays negative, congrats on the booster. Got mine slated for the 21st
So i just spoke to my uncle and cousin and Philly and they know folks from church who are getting it 2 times in that area.
So yes it happens.
In this neck of the woods, you can meet all the health and age requirements, but still not be eligible for the booster if you've had 2 doses of the Pfizer vaccine. They're only giving the booster to people who've had 2 doses of AstraZeneca or Covishield.
I need to rep more people before hitting JustDad again. Love reading his insights ITT.
Dad. Your thoughts on boosters for middle aged healthy folks change at all with all this new Omicron info coming out? I think before all this you were kinda saying no rush now my wife is urging me to not let another day go by, lol.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1652717923]I need to rep more people before hitting JustDad again. Love reading his insights ITT.
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Ditto, tried to rep him earlier, still on spread with him.. JTD is a valued contributor, his knowledge is greatly appreciated and it's generous of him to take the time to share his expertise.
Thanks JTD