Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme;1647809853]Oh just stop with this faux-ignorance act. If I put some new fuel additive into my car and all of a sudden upon acceleration my RPMs start spiking up past red lining, when previously the RPMs only got up to 6000 RPM upon acceleration, that clearly tells me something is wrong, and severe engine damage can occur.

Are you attempting to say that exceeding ones maximum heart rate through synthetic means is perfectly healthy?[/QUOTE]It's cute watching you argue with a physician with your high-school level analogies.

[QUOTE=z4v4;1647810473]It's cute watching you argue with a physician with your high-school level analogies.[/QUOTE]

But his info came from his neighbor and barber. And the cashier and cashier’s boss at the corner store also agrees with him. He must be right



















(For the record - Not real tea )

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1647811363]But his info came from his neighbor and barber. And the cashier and cashier’s boss at the corner store also agrees with him. He must be right




(For the record - Not real tea )[/QUOTE]




And this folks is the species dickus slobberus.

This animal can be found in the wild, attaching themself near or on the genital region of others they find superior to themself who they believe are an authority and therefore infallible and cannot be questioned.

[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme;1647811963]And this folks is the species dickus slobberus.

This animal can be found in the wild, attaching themself near or on the genital region of others they find superior to themself who they believe are an authority and therefore infallible and cannot be questioned.[/QUOTE]

Go find your next conspiracy theory before this one runs dry. Almost there in a few months

[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme;1647809853]
Are you attempting to say that exceeding ones maximum heart rate through synthetic means is perfectly healthy?[/QUOTE]

You can't exceed your maximum HR. That's why athletes do other things to improve their VO2 max.

I'm replying the way I am because you don't seem to want to actually think about what we can learn from that entry. You want to assume it means something bad.

If you'd actually thought about answering my questions you might have figured out on your own that him having a higher HR while exercising during the week after getting his first shot isn't a sign of a scary heart condition. That he was able to do that is actually very reassuring. There are several reasons for his HR to be higher that week that are far more likely than a "scary heart condition". So I want to know what other symptoms you felt lead to a diagnosis of scary heart condition instead of fatigue, dehydration, discomfort, anxiety, a transient bump in cytokines or interleukins indicating he's mounting a good immune response to the vaccine the way he would to many viruses.

Happy to discuss the HR or other symptoms he had if you also found them to be concerning.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1647813973]You can't exceed your maximum HR. That's why athletes do other things to improve their VO2 max.

I'm replying the way I am because you don't seem to want to actually think about what we can learn from that entry. You want to assume it means something bad.

If you'd actually thought about answering my questions you might have figured out on your own that him having a higher HR while exercising during the week after getting his first shot isn't a sign of a scary heart condition. That he was able to do that is actually very reassuring. There are several reasons for his HR to be higher that week that are far more likely than a "scary heart condition". So I want to know what other symptoms you felt lead to a diagnosis of scary heart condition instead of fatigue, dehydration, discomfort, anxiety, a transient bump in cytokines or interleukins indicating he's mounting a good immune response to the vaccine the way he would to many viruses.

Happy to discuss the HR or other symptoms he had if you also found them to be concerning.[/QUOTE]



Good to know that one can’t exceed their natural heart rate. I guess one could load up on all the clen and pepsi they want, and those drugs won’t artificially increase ones heart rate past their naturally occurring limit. I guess drug induced atrial tachycardia is not a thing now.


There could be numerous pathologies that this individual could have, some of which could have been undiagnosed, and it would be difficult to diagnose outside of conducting medical tests and blood work on the individual, wouldn’t you agree? Or do you want me to just list off various pathologies that have tachycardia as a symptom, as a possible cause for this particular individual?

Don’t you think it would be wise to have a thorough and complete understanding of ones health status and possible repurchasing before taking a foreign substance, especially one that is new in development and has never completed animal studies. Or are you for just blindly injecting individuals without throughly evaluating their health?

You're mixing up your terms and changing from what could be going on to something else. Like how you started saying the vaccine was stupid for your age group and then switched to it being stupid for you because you already had Covid.

This kid described an exercise induced tachycardia that was higher than his normal exercise induced tachycardia. An atrial tachycardia just means your heart's little drummer boy is somewhere in the atrial muscle so it's not sinus. Could have a rate of 101 with no symptoms. Won't exceed your max HR. A paroxysmal atrial tachycardia could exceed your maximum sinus HR but you wouldn't be exercising with it. It's paroxysmal, not exercise induced and most commonly it would be a reentrant loop that short circuits the SA node. So an accessory pathway. It wouldn't act like what he described and cause his exercising HR to be higher. It might have caused him to suddenly have an extremely high HR that caused lightheadedness or syncope, but it doesn't fit here. There are others that could be exercise induced. Google WPW.

But we're looking at the write up you provided and exploring the possible etiologies of that kid's symptoms, right? If you want to talk about other symptoms and heart conditions that he might have had but not reported symptoms of, we could I guess. Doesn't seem relevant though.

Also, they did do the animal testing on the vaccines They just did it in parallel, not before the human testing. It's been discussed here before. It was a calculated risk based on the amount of prior data they had and us being in a pandemic. Luckily, it paid off. The animal testing didn't show anything alarming.

As to the health assessment before putting something in your body, we do that. There are screening tests, inclusion, and exclusion criteria on any study. Also, didn't you catch my gentle dig at the "democrats" who lined up for the vaccine studies because CNN told them the world was ending?

I help run clinical trials and I'm familiar with the risks. I'm also aware of the studies and data on the vaccines. I even know what's in them. Been doing it for a long time and I personally hate taking medication. But I wasn't even a little nervous getting Pfizer's vaccine, and I let my family get it too. Well, my son got the Moderna version.

Being swole could save you three days in the hospital if succumbing to moderate to severe COVID-19 symptoms

[url=https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34523262]Muscle strength and muscle mass as predictors of hospital length of stay in patients with moderate to severe COVID-19: a prospective observational study[/url]

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1647821183]You're mixing up your terms and changing from what could be going on to something else. Like how you started saying the vaccine was stupid for your age group and then switched to it being stupid for you because you already had Covid.

This kid described an exercise induced tachycardia that was higher than his normal exercise induced tachycardia. An atrial tachycardia just means your heart's little drummer boy is somewhere in the atrial muscle so it's not sinus. Could have a rate of 101 with no symptoms. Won't exceed your max HR. A paroxysmal atrial tachycardia could exceed your maximum sinus HR but you wouldn't be exercising with it. It's paroxysmal, not exercise induced and most commonly it would be a reentrant loop that short circuits the SA node. So an accessory pathway. It wouldn't act like what he described and cause his exercising HR to be higher. It might have caused him to suddenly have an extremely high HR that caused lightheadedness or syncope, but it doesn't fit here. There are others that could be exercise induced. Google WPW.

But we're looking at the write up you provided and exploring the possible etiologies of that kid's symptoms, right? If you want to talk about other symptoms and heart conditions that he might have had but not reported symptoms of, we could I guess. Doesn't seem relevant though.

Also, they did do the animal testing on the vaccines They just did it in parallel, not before the human testing. It's been discussed here before. It was a calculated risk based on the amount of prior data they had and us being in a pandemic. Luckily, it paid off. The animal testing didn't show anything alarming.

As to the health assessment before putting something in your body, we do that. There are screening tests, inclusion, and exclusion criteria on any study. Also, didn't you catch my gentle dig at the "democrats" who lined up for the vaccine studies because CNN told them the world was ending?

I help run clinical trials and I'm familiar with the risks. I'm also aware of the studies and data on the vaccines. I even know what's in them. Been doing it for a long time and I personally hate taking medication. But I wasn't even a little nervous getting Pfizer's vaccine, and I let my family get it too. Well, [b]my son got the Moderna version.[/b][/QUOTE]

Child abuse

[QUOTE=mgftp;1647856553]Child abuse[/QUOTE]

Just this morning, I read that the Moderna vaccine gives longer lasting protection than the Pfizer vaccine.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/OSEIVLD.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=mgftp;1647856553]Child abuse[/QUOTE]
I warned him the dose seems to be higher so he could have more side effects, but he didn't care. They had a left over dose at Publix when we were visiting Marathon Key, so he took it. Didn't get any side effects I can recall. Maybe a sore deltoid..

The manufacturers of Betadine have issued a statement online stating that the solution should only be used externally and cannot treat COVID-19.

"Betadine Antiseptic products have not been demonstrated to be effective for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19 or any other viruses."

When Kenneth Weinberg, an emergency room physician in New York City, was told in an interview with Rolling Stone that anti-vaxxers are gargling with Iodine, he - unimpressed - said: "**** me! Of course, they are."

"There's no evidence that povidone-iodine [Betadine] has any impact on COVID-19," Amesh A. Adalja, MD, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, told Health.


[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/anti-vaxxers-are-gargling-iodine-in-the-latest-ill-advised-attempt-at-diy-anti-covid-care-say-reports/ar-AAOPKC1?ocid=msedgntp[/url]

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1647953083]The manufacturers of Betadine have issued a statement online stating that the solution should only be used externally and cannot treat COVID-19.

"Betadine Antiseptic products have not been demonstrated to be effective for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19 or any other viruses."

When Kenneth Weinberg, an emergency room physician in New York City, was told in an interview with Rolling Stone that anti-vaxxers are gargling with Iodine, he - unimpressed - said: "**** me! Of course, they are."

"There's no evidence that povidone-iodine [Betadine] has any impact on COVID-19," Amesh A. Adalja, MD, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, told Health.


[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/anti-vaxxers-are-gargling-iodine-in-the-latest-ill-advised-attempt-at-diy-anti-covid-care-say-reports/ar-AAOPKC1?ocid=msedgntp[/url][/QUOTE]

I gargle with salt water daily, you can also add a little pineapple juice for authenticity if you like.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1647873273]I warned him the dose seems to be higher so he could have more side effects, but he didn't care. They had a left over dose at Publix when we were visiting Marathon Key, so he took it. Didn't get any side effects I can recall. Maybe a sore deltoid..[/QUOTE]

What about J&J? So far the side effects have been: costochondritis, sciatica, and weight gain, and increased sassiness on Saturdays.
Am I gon make it doc?

On the local evening news last night they warned against hydrogen peroxide in a nebulizer.

I mean seriously, who thinks up this chit

Three nuns went to confession...

1st nun said I looked at a dick; priest says wash your eyes in holy water.
2nd nun said I touched a dick; priest says wash your hands in holy water
4th nun busts in and says says "Aw, hell no, I am next, I am not going to gargle that water after she washes her ass in it"

[QUOTE=Cass40;1647953953]What about J&J? So far the side effects have been: costochondritis, sciatica, and weight gain, and increased sassiness on Saturdays.
Am I gon make it doc?[/QUOTE]

I'm usually hesitant to answer important questions without doing a bit of research, Cass. However, since neither you nor my wife is going to let me do the required research, I'll go out on a limb here and say that based on the reported increased Saturday sass, I'm pretty sure you will.

Also, didn't you say you were feeling better and doing dead lifts again?

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1647955213]On the local evening news last night they warned against hydrogen peroxide in a nebulizer.

I mean seriously, who thinks up this chit[/QUOTE]

I wonder how fast it breaks down into water and O2 if you do that. Has to happen pretty quickly, right?

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1647956353]
I wonder how fast it breaks down into water and O2 if you do that. Has to happen pretty quickly, right?[/QUOTE]

Doesn’t exactly work that way. While at concentrations of 1% or whatever, it shouldn’t cause any issues, and is a good mouthwash for killing some bacteria associated with gum disease. At higher concentrations, it is an extreme oxidizer and will basically have a runaway exothermic reaction and ignite anything organic; leather, people, etc. Pretty dangerous stuff at high concentrations. Probably not particularly good for lungs either, just guessing.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1647965613]Doesn’t exactly work that way. While at concentrations of 1% or whatever, it shouldn’t cause any issues, and is a good mouthwash for killing some bacteria associated with gum disease. At higher concentrations, it is an extreme oxidizer and will basically have a runaway exothermic reaction and ignite anything organic; leather, people, etc. Pretty dangerous stuff at high concentrations. Probably not particularly good for lungs either, just guessing.[/QUOTE]So what's the half-life of H2O2 in water?

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1647965613]Doesn’t exactly work that way. While at concentrations of 1% or whatever, it shouldn’t cause any issues, and is a good mouthwash for killing some bacteria associated with gum disease. At higher concentrations, it is an extreme oxidizer and will basically have a runaway exothermic reaction and ignite anything organic; leather, people, etc. Pretty dangerous stuff at high concentrations. Probably not particularly good for lungs either, just guessing.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, it may not be the best idea, but still.
Clever!
I don't know if there's any real risk or benefit. In theory, it could reduce the viral load in the air if you had a family member with COVID at home, and if you were trying to avoid getting infected by aerosolized droplets.

When my son got exposed at work a few days before my parents were coming to visit, pre vaccines, he quarantined in his room and I bought a HEPA filter for his room and theirs. They also delayed the trip. Even so, not everyone can go drop a few hundred dollars for an almost no benefit thing like that. I honestly think you have to admire the ingenuity of whoever thought of repurposing their nebulizer as an anti viral device with a $0.97 bottle of hydogen peroxide. I'm not claiming it would work, but I do think the idea is very clever.

[QUOTE=z4v4;1647977583]So what's the half-life of H2O2 in water?[/QUOTE]

A few years in a dark bottle with no air around. I think the bottles at the drugstore are 4% H2O2 and 96% water.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1647979833]


A few years in a dark bottle with no air around. I think the bottles at the drugstore are 4% H2O2 and 96% water.[/QUOTE]That's not the half-life once opened and added to water, and pharmaceutical grade H2O2 contains stabilizers, no?

[QUOTE=z4v4;1647977583]So what's the half-life of H2O2 in water?[/QUOTE]

No idea, adding to water would dilute the concentration, so half life wouldn't matter.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1647979833]Agreed, it may not be the best idea, but still.
Clever!
I don't know if there's any real risk or benefit. In theory, it could reduce the viral load in the air if you had a family member with COVID at home, and if you were trying to avoid getting infected by aerosolized droplets.

When my son got exposed at work a few days before my parents were coming to visit, pre vaccines, he quarantined in his room and I bought a HEPA filter for his room and theirs. They also delayed the trip. Even so, not everyone can go drop a few hundred dollars for an almost no benefit thing like that. I honestly think you have to admire the ingenuity of whoever thought of repurposing their nebulizer as an anti viral device with a $0.97 bottle of hydogen peroxide. I'm not claiming it would work, but I do think the idea is very clever.



A few years in a dark bottle with no air around. I think the bottles at the drugstore are 4% H2O2 and 96% water.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I had to do a review on the effectiveness of "air purifiers" way back in 2020. The info at the time showed some minimal benefit as source control if basically right next to a sick person, otherwise better off just increasing dilution ventilation / air balancing and filtration with the HVAC system. Agree "Novel" delivery approach. Good thing they didn't use bleach or Lysol, although nebulized alcohol might accomplish a few things :D

YouTube will block all anti-vaccine content, moving beyond its ban on false information about the COVID vaccines to include content that contains misinformation about other approved vaccines, it said in a blog post on Wednesday.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1647998313]YouTube will block all anti-vaccine content, moving beyond its ban on false information about the COVID vaccines to include content that contains misinformation about other approved vaccines, it said in a blog post on Wednesday.[/QUOTE]

wow that is huge!

Sounds illegal too. Violation of 1st amendment and all.

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1647999393]wow that is huge![/QUOTE]




[img]https://i.imgur.com/I2V0NQn.jpg?1[/img]

Kyrie Irving and Andrew Wiggins will each lose more than $15 MILLION if they refuse to get the jab ... because the NBA just announced it will NOT pay players who miss games for not having the COVID-19 vaccine.

The Association has not made it mandatory for players to be vaxxed, but local mandates in San Francisco and New York City will keep guys like Wiggins and Irving -- who have reportedly elected against the vaccine -- from being able to play home games for the Warriors and Nets, respectively.

Considering NBA teams play half of their games at home, this would keep the 2 stars from playing in at least 41 games this season ... which will put a serious hurt on their bank accounts.

Wiggins -- who is in a 5-year, $147,710,050 deal -- will reportedly pass up on $15.8 million this season ... while Irving -- 4-year, $136,490,600 contract -- will forfeit $17.5 million.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648002763]Sounds illegal too. Violation of 1st amendment and all.[/QUOTE]

You tube removing content is a violation of the 1A??? How so???

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648002763]Sounds illegal too. Violation of 1st amendment and all.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PlanoLifter;1648011123]You tube removing content is a violation of the 1A??? How so???[/QUOTE]



[b]YouTube 'not a public forum' with guaranteed free speech[/b]




YouTube is not a "public forum" that must guarantee users' rights to free speech, a US court has ruled.

The case involved right-wing channel PragerU, which argued YouTube was infringing its rights by "censoring" its conservative views.

But judges decided that the US constitution's First Amendment did not apply to YouTube, a private company.

The landmark ruling by US judges could affect future cases involving freedom of speech online.

The decision, by San Francisco's Ninth Circuit appeals court, rejected the conservative news outlet's claims that YouTube had breached the First Amendment by censoring its content.

PragerU said it was still "not done fighting for free speech" and the appeals court "got this one wrong".


[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51658341[/url]