Will you get vaccinated?

Sept 14 (Reuters) - The world has never been in a better position to end the COVID-19 pandemic, the head of the World Health Organization said on Wednesday, his most optimistic outlook yet on the years-long health crisis which has killed over six million people.

"We are not there yet. But the end is in sight," WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporters at a virtual press conference.

That was the most upbeat assessment from the UN agency since it declared an international emergency in January 2020 and started describing COVID-19 as a pandemic three months



[url]https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-chief-says-end-sight-covid-19-pandemic-2022-09-14/?taid=63220c1a9052e70001233ab7&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter[/url]

^^^^ Rest of the article in the link above if anyone gives a sh!t

[QUOTE=Reliance012;1667760183]Just the Dad can jump in, but that is an absolutely mindless post written by someone who has done nothing but sew together skeptic buzzwords and talking points into an incoherent mess of a paragraph.

The vaccines do not cause ADE. The vaccines do not cause cytokine storms. (It reads to me like the poster doesn’t even understand these are separate although interconnected concepts, but that’s another point).

Th2 skewed responses are not observed with any of the sarscov2 vaccines that came to market. He’s talking about several previous coronavirus vaccines that did not make it through animal trials, because the trials did their job. He mentions IL12, but probably doesn’t understand it’s relevance so he just casually tosses the name out there. IL12’s absence would draw concern because without it, a th2 type response comes to dominate which is potentially deleterious (cell mediated responses are curtailed). Potential issues like these are why animal testing is important. Mice and macaques provide a great immune model and we can see if a vaccine elicits these types of red flags. The poster is ironically making an argument for the safety of the vaccines, because what he’s referring to are examples where animal trials have prevented harmful vaccines from making it to humans.

In just the early clinical trials th1 immune responses were exceptionally well characterized. Now, at this point, we have the largest medical data set in history. ADE (and CS) unequivocally do not occur in vaccinated subjects at any biological or statistically significantly degree. They are acute affects that would have manifested early on. In vitro, in vivo, epidemiological, ADE and CS are simply not present. The exact opposite is true. Vaccinated subjects have significantly reduced risks of severe C19 outcomes.

I won’t even bother with his other bull****.[/QUOTE]

thanks for the detailed explanation, very helpful

My family keeps ending up in the hospital but they won't let you in without being vaccinated and boosted. I got really sick from the second shot and booster--high fever and chills for days--so I don't want to take another booster. That may result in my family being unable to have someone visit or be an advocate.

This sucks.

[QUOTE=DustinTheHuss;1667895263]My family keeps ending up in the hospital but they won't let you in without being vaccinated and boosted. I got really sick from the second shot and booster--high fever and chills for days--so I don't want to take another booster. That may result in my family being unable to have someone visit or be an advocate.

This sucks.[/QUOTE]

What if you got Covid? Are you not convinced that the booster would help with symptoms that you are clearly not a fan of?

fell ill with omicron, except for a sore throat, there are no other symptoms

[QUOTE=merlen90;1667898633]fell ill with omicron, except for a sore throat, there are no other symptoms[/QUOTE]

I am glad that YOU PERSONALLY had such a mild reaction.

The guys from high school got together Tuesday night for dinner and one friend told us his wife's mom just died from covid + her other conditions.
He said it tipped the scales.

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[QUOTE=KeepItMoving;1668776773][url]https://twitter.com/PowerOurPeople_/status/1575565134118154240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1575565134118154240%7Ctwgr%5E39f366eb8fef044649b25414baf82306aa39a7c5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F100percentfedup.com%2Fcanadian-actress-develops-facial-paralysis-from-covid-vaccine-posts-shocking-video-revealing-her-condition-video%2F[/url][/QUOTE]
So brave.
God bless her as she continues to experiment on herself. What doesn't kill you makes you need a booster or makes you stronger, something like that.

[QUOTE=KeepItMoving;1668776773][url]https://twitter.com/PowerOurPeople_/status/1575565134118154240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1575565134118154240%7Ctwgr%5E39f366eb8fef044649b25414baf82306aa39a7c5%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F100percentfedup.com%2Fcanadian-actress-develops-facial-paralysis-from-covid-vaccine-posts-shocking-video-revealing-her-condition-video%2F[/url][/QUOTE]

I'll never understand how people can be this brainwashed.

Here is someone that has the side effects most people were afraid of and they still think in the end this was a good decision. Propaganda may have never been stronger.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/MOzfhlz.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=DustinTheHuss;1667895263]I got really sick from the second shot and booster--high fever and chills for days--so I don't want to take another booster.[/QUOTE]

Same here. It was like having the flu.

To top it off for me was my sense of smell went crazy, clean plates smelled like a wet dog.

My mom had a stroke 10+ years ago and has been on a lot of meds. Over the years, she recovered well, but never 100%. She had her shots and got a booster early summer. Things really started going downhill after the booster. By downhill, I mean now basically a vegetable.

Maybe it's just a coincidence, but the timing is suspect.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1668818843]zfhlz.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

was unaware masks were still a thing

[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme;1667363503]Just came in to laugh at the vaxcels in this thread.

Imagine thinking it was smart to take an untested experimental shot for a virus slightly stronger than the common cold.

Imagine thinking it was a good idea to try and force people to take an ineffective shot or lose their livelihoods.

Dumb branch Covidian fools

Oh and for good measure - I was right and you were wrong, wrong, wrong




















Wrong[/QUOTE]

Fellow pure blood checking in. When gubmint tells you that you need it, avoid it. When gubmint tells you that you not to get it, get it.

Global death rate. What pandemic? More like plandemic scam. Real pandemics will have spikes.



Year Death Rate Growth Rate
2022 7.678 0.430%
2021 7.645 0.430%
2020 7.612 0.440%
2019 7.579 0.440%
2018 7.546 -0.320%
2017 7.570 -0.320%
2016 7.594 -0.330%
2015 7.619 -0.310%
2014 7.643 -0.310%
2013 7.667 -0.980%
2012 7.743 -0.960%
2011 7.818 -0.960%
2010 7.894 -0.940%

Got vaccinated last Friday. 1st Shingles vaccine. Ain't messing with that.

[QUOTE=AlBHappy;1668869423]Got vaccinated last Friday. 1st Shingles vaccine. Ain't messing with that.[/QUOTE]


Congrats my friend, I got mine this summer, had the last one in August.

Did you have any side effects from it?

The first one knocked me on my ass, second was nothing, not even a sore arm..

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1668870093]Congrats my friend, I got mine this summer, had the last one in August.

Did you have any side effects from it?

The first one knocked me on my ass, second was nothing, not even a sore arm..[/QUOTE]

Just a sore arm, didn't really notice. I'm not getting that nightmare affliction.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/OGkYiZg.png[/img]

[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1668854673].... What pandemic? More like plandemic scam. Real pandemics will have spikes. [/QUOTE]
The (thankfully) small number of people I knew who died from COVID and could have otherwise expected to live some more years were clearly my just imagination?

But your statistics don't account for the people who were fairly ill but didn't die but their health is *still* ruined with tiredness, muscle pains, digestive issues, difficulty concentrating, shortness of breath. My wife knows 3 people like that

Could it be possible to have a pandemic that ruins health that is not always fatal? Or is it a case that medicine and illness is only 100% healthy or dead and nothing in-between exists or matters?

If you feel that COVID was exaggerated, that's an opinion... but to persuade others you'll need to produce some stats not just relating to excess deaths but also some measure of general health. To categorise the effects of disease in only terms of dead/not dead would mean polio (which kills very few) is probably fake too... actually Polio is topical where I live, maybe that's a thread in itself?

One thing for sure, COVID is definitely a political football that gets kicked around the field in every direction

Oh.. got a flu vaccine last week, I did the trick of totally relaxing triceps and even gentle pummeling it to relax even more, arm really floppy dangling down. Barely even felt the injection and turned to watch but she'd already done it! had to look at syringe to check it was done I was that unsure. Definitely 100% relaxed arm works! 3rd time I tried it, 3rd time it worked

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1669125483]The (thankfully) small number of people I knew who died from COVID and could have otherwise expected to live some more years were clearly my just imagination?[/QUOTE]

My dad and two of my colleagues were in good health, albeit old, when they died of COVID and would very very likely still be alive today otherwise. One of my colleagues led 250 kayak trips the year before he died and was one of the most physically active people I knew of any age.

I try to stay out of these conversations, but I'm grieved and ashamed of my people. I'm a right-wing, conservative, church-going Republican and it's mostly my people who are spreading the vaccine misinformation. When Trump was president and the vaccines were being developed, preachers were publicly praying and declaring that a vaccine would come soon. After a Democrat was elected, those same people opposed vaccines and spread wacky conspiracies. That's even though Trump still promotes the vaccines and takes credit for them.

It has deadly consequences.

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[QUOTE=Gabbar99;1669131403] When Trump was president and the vaccines were being developed, preachers were publicly praying and declaring that a vaccine would come soon. After a Democrat was elected, those same people opposed vaccines and spread wacky conspiracies. That's even though Trump still promotes the vaccines and takes credit for them.

It has deadly consequences.

][/QUOTE]
Timeline:
Trump is responsible for the virus getting here
Trump stops flights from China
Trump is a Racist
Trump makes vaccines happen
Dems "We don't trust Trumps vaccines
Biden is installed " the vaccines are amazing, thank you Joe"
The vaccines are causing issues
It's Trumps fault

[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1668854673]Fellow pure blood checking in. When gubmint tells you that you need it, avoid it. When gubmint tells you that you not to get it, get it.
[/QUOTE]

The U.S Army pumped you with enough stuff to make this not true. :D

I'm not getting boosted nor have I or will I get my 11 and 10 year old vaxxed unless I see people dropping dead in the streets from it. We are done. I do need to get the shingles vax but with the sides I'm dragging my feet doing it.

[QUOTE=Gabbar99;1669131403]it's mostly my people who are spreading the vaccine misinformation. has deadly consequences.

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Here’s some misinformation that I hear all the time, which is people publicly saying that they will get vaccinated to protect someone else. That is 100 percent crock of ****!

Now for some facts, I know people with covid right now, with symptoms who have had 3 or more boosters.

If you wanna get vaccinated, that’s your choice and it may ease symptoms or may not but it’s not going to protect someone else.

Distrust in the government is why many minorities have low vaccination rates. I can't blame them after the CDC used them as guinea pigs.

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[QUOTE=LWW;1669324913]

Now for some facts, I know people with covid right now, with symptoms who have had[b] 3 or more boosters.[/b]

[/QUOTE]

Really?

A booster was given after the original series of shot or shots..

in the case of Moderna or Pfizer the 1st booster would have been the 3rd shot.

For those who took a single shot dose (astrazeneca) their 2nd shot

So what you are saying is that you know people who had 6 shots or more?

From everything I have read is that the bivalent dose which just became available would be a person's 4th shot.

I haven't read anything on people getting more than one booster.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1669341873]Really?

I haven't read anything on people getting more than one booster.[/QUOTE]

Biden is double boosted.

Also the CDC says to get the latest booster, so if you got the first booster but not the latest, they say get the latest. If you skipped the old booster, you get less shots.

[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1669333683]Distrust in the government is why many minorities have low vaccination rates. I can't blame them after the CDC used them as guinea pigs.

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Precisely.

I have never met an unjabbed dood who regrets NOT taking that poison.

[b]A Pfizer executive just admitted the company didn't even test the Covid vaccine to see if it prevented transmission of the virus.[/b]

Watch this video: see for yourself. Don't tell me "follow the science". There was no science.
[url]https://lynnwoodtimes.com/2022/10/11/covid-transmission-221011/[/url]

Just read gabarr's response, then please mods close this sorry thread.

Why don't we collectively just say "FK COVID" for all the harm (or not if that's your opinion) and just let's talk about workouts instead, you know: like the old days...

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1669365893]Just read gabarr's response, then please mods close this sorry thread.

Why don't we collectively just say "FK COVID" for all the harm (or not if that's your opinion) and just let's talk about workouts instead, you know: like the old days...[/QUOTE]

Plenty of room for talking about training, in fact there is a complete OV35 forum just for that


[url]https://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11[/url]


This is a sub forum of that section for Miscellaneous Topics.

You can always scroll on by the threads you don't like though.

Or better still start some threads about Workouts :D

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1669365893]Just read gabarr's response, then please mods close this sorry thread.

Why don't we collectively just say "FK COVID" for all the harm (or not if that's your opinion) and just let's talk about workouts instead, you know: like the old days...[/QUOTE]



I still believe strength training is the best way to combat Rona.

I said Strength training which doesn’t always mean being the leanest dude with ab separation or being just physically active playing volley ball, hiking and Kayaking. Just my OP.

[QUOTE=LWW;1669368623]I still believe strength training is the best way to combat Rona.

I said Strength training which doesn’t always mean being the leanest dude with ab separation or being just physically active playing volley ball, hiking and Kayaking. Just my OP.[/QUOTE]

If you aren't a fat lazy fuk you can combine many cardio vascular activities in conjunction with strength training and get even more benefits from health and fitness. Not just my opinion, it's a fact baby :D

[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1669357413]Precisely.

I have never met an unjabbed dood who regrets NOT taking that poison.[/QUOTE]

I have. Neighbor who didn't do well with COVID but is still working as much as he can. Harsh not having his old cardiac and pulmonary capacity since he's a farmer and does hard physical work at times.
The only other person I knew who might say they regret not getting was my conspiracy theorist cousin who it didn't survive it.
Our anecdotal data doesn't add much.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1669369353]I have. Neighbor who didn't do well with COVID but is still working as much as he can. Harsh not having his old cardiac and pulmonary capacity since he's a farmer and does hard physical work at times.
The only other person I knew who might say they regret not getting was my conspiracy theorist cousin who it didn't survive it.
Our anecdotal data doesn't add much.[/QUOTE]


I found out last week that covid went through the house of a friend of mine, the entire family of 5 got it, 1 died, another still on a vent, they were the only 2 that weren't vaccinated. The other 3 had a hard time with it but never had to go to the hospital. I bet the other two would regret not getting vaccinated.

There are plenty of stories like that but you can't expect too much out of the tin foil hat crew.

i just read about another set of experiments 50's -70's

[url]https://www.witf.org/2022/10/07/philadelphia-apologizes-for-experiments-on-black-inmates-from-the-1950s-through-the-1970s/[/url]

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1669368973]If you aren't a fat lazy fuk you can combine many cardio vascular activities in conjunction with strength training and get even more benefits from health and fitness. Not just my opinion, it's a fact baby :D[/QUOTE]


Being fat and strong wasn’t the point pancake, although there are exceptions, fat Olympic lifters are probably better off than fat bench pressers or fat power lifters eg half squatters.

You can use strength training for both cardio vascular benefits AND getting stronger and use that to gain better health than the non-lifter active person. Running and playing a game does very little to treat bone loss, which is part of the problem in aging.

[QUOTE=LWW;1669376163] Running and playing a game does very little to treat bone loss, which is part of the problem in aging.[/QUOTE]

I assume you mean "ageing"

Actually you are very wrong, sports do help with bone loss



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I don't know if anyone ever told you this, but you appear to be a lot brighter before you start flapping your gums about things you know nothing about. You have a lot to learn there dumpling. You can start by listening more, the ears don't work when your tongue is wagging.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1669377153]I assume you mean "ageing"

Actually you are very wrong, sports do help with bone loss



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I don't know if anyone ever told you this, but you appear to be a lot brighter before you start flapping your gums about things you know nothing about. You have a lot to learn there dumpling. You can start by listening more, the ears don't work when your tongue is wagging.[/QUOTE]




I said they do very little, not zero, but little, little, little.

Take any of those activities and as people age, they will not progress, give them some weights and they will get bigger stronger faster. Bodyweight exercise also counts as weights.

My point AGAIN is running is not strength training. Strength training is best for immunity and healing. Strong people recover faster. Looks aren’t the key eg six packs aren’t a sign of health but not having a abs doesn’t make one fat eithier.

[QUOTE=LWW;1669378273]I said they do very little, not zero, but little, little, little.

Take any of those activities and as people age, they will not progress, give them some weights and they will get bigger stronger faster. Bodyweight exercise also counts as weights.

My point AGAIN is running is not strength training. Strength training is best for immunity and healing. Strong people recover faster.[/QUOTE]

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You're an idiot.

You think lifting weights is the answer to everything and you're not even that knowledgeable about it or good at it.

Here. I told you so.

[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-fG2IbP_Cj8[/url]

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1669378773][img]https://i.imgur.com/2rmVGH9.jpg[/img]


You're an idiot.

You think lifting weights is the answer to everything and you're not even that knowledgeable about it or good at it.[/QUOTE]




What do you mean good at it? If you mean record lifting numbers, that has very little to do with being good at strength training. Strength training is relative, and yes strength training is the answer to many people’s conditions.

I lift weights every single day now, I’m good enough at it to do it with more intensity than the average joe and listen to my body to know what to do and what not to do. I’m 100 percent healed from my self diagnosed disk problem I suffered about 2 years ago deadlifting too heavy, too frequent. Lifting everyday, I’ve had zero back inflammation for about a good 2-3 months now.

Show me a senior runner who still runs like they did in their 40s and only runs, and still has bone and muscle density, I’ll wait.............

[QUOTE=LWW;1669383973][img]https://i.imgur.com/zLlklDx.gif[/img][/QUOTE]




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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1669378773][
you're not even that knowledgeable about it or good at it.[/QUOTE]


Says the guy who claims he doesn’t watch any of my vids.


I knew you couldn’t show me the 80 year old lifetime runner only with bone and muscle density along with not looking like he/she is limping as they run........

Enjoy your day pancake!

[QUOTE=LWW;1669405143]


I knew you couldn’t show me the 80 year old lifetime runner only with bone and muscle density along with not looking like he/she is limping as they run........
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[QUOTE=LWW;1669378273]My point AGAIN is running is not strength training. Strength training is best for immunity and healing. Strong people recover faster. Looks aren’t the key eg six packs aren’t a sign of health but not having a abs doesn’t make one fat eithier.[/QUOTE]

Um, no. No evidence for this. You are welcome to believe it, but actual data points towards cardiovascular and mental health having a large roll in immunity. Logic would have led you to believe that anyway. Getting enough sleep is good too. No exercise is likely to decrease your immunity to something unless you push too far.

MT, "ageing"? You British? I've always spelled it aging. But I love that donkey! I want the tee shirt.


[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1669381043]Here. I told you so.

[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-fG2IbP_Cj8[/url][/QUOTE]

What's that supposed to prove? Clinical trials weren't testing the vaccines for prevention of transmission. We studying them for safety and efficacy. The viral load someone else is exposed to does affect transmission, but clinical trials don't study R0 and Re. They can't, but we know vaccines affect R0 and Re from population studies, but drug companies don't run those studies. That statement is wasn't news to anyone.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1669481013]Um, no. No evidence for this. You are welcome to believe it, but actual data points towards cardiovascular and mental health having a large roll in immunity.
[/QUOTE]


I said cardio using weights, you guys just can’t seem to grasp that one.

Look here, the reason why the old time bodybuilders were in better health was because high rep work like high rep squats were a common staple. These days they only do 20 reppers for a few weeks out the year. Steve Reeves did breathing squats all year around.

That’s also why the 1950s bbers had the best build rib cages.

We see evidence right now of cardio people dying from the Rona but not strength people the exception is steroids users. At my gym the strength people recovered fastest from Rona.

Keep reading your data, I’ll go by the real world, daddy.......

[QUOTE=LWW;1669368623]I still believe strength training is the best way to combat Rona.

I said Strength training which doesn’t always mean being the leanest dude with ab separation or being just physically active playing volley ball, hiking and Kayaking. Just my OP.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LWW;1669378273]My point AGAIN is running is not strength training. Strength training is best for immunity and healing. Strong people recover faster. Looks aren’t the key eg six packs aren’t a sign of health but not having a abs doesn’t make one fat eithier.[/QUOTE]

All good LWW.
I may have missed something and was responding to the idea that strength training is better for immunity than other forms of exercise. The relative benefit of cardiovascular training to strength training would favor cardio based on most of the data I've seen. There's likely an inherent bias in any study of that since we tend to look at outcomes, and people don't die of infections because they can't move the kitchen table, or even because they couldn't get out of bed. Does happen, you know, DVTs and all, but with infections, not having enough CV reserve is a bigger issue, especially if you get to the point where you need support. I thought your posts were implying the strength training aspect was the more important one. Sorry if I read it wrong.

I have nothing to add.

I just wanted to point out that this is post number 7000.