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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1649042543]You are spot on Mark, no one cares to address it. I have seen Tater bring it up numerous times and no one seemed to respond much either..
If it were me i'd be sitting on what was left of Trumps wall with a covid dart gun and shooting anything in range.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. The very same people who promote My Choice are the same people stating that you have no choice in the matter of being vaccinated.
Strange, isn’t it?
[QUOTE=Tommy W.;1649050393]Should be but instead are given a place to stay and other perks not even offered to our own citizens[/QUOTE]
What perks are those? Biden’s using title 42 to deny all migrants claiming asylum entry, vaccinated or not.
Federal courts have not allowed asylum seekers already in the country to be expelled without a court date. Executive orders that reach too far will be restrained by court order.
Due process rights adhere to everyone in America, citizen or not. Courts don’t allow immediate deportations, or immediate sentencing of any kind, inside America. You’d have to be at the border, or someplace like Guantanamo.
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Federal courts have not allowed asylum seekers already in the country to be expelled without a court date.
.[/QUOTE] Right and none show up. Give it up 7S. Why people defend the actions of this sorry excuse for an administration on these things is beyond me.
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[QUOTE=Tommy W.;1649057053]Right and none show up. Give it up 7S. Why people defend the actions of this sorry excuse for an administration on these things is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
I’m not defending Biden, I ‘m just not putting all the blame on him. Our immigration system has needed a major overhaul for years. Republicans claim to prioritize immigration control, but they keep cutting budgets for those with the legal right to reject wrongful immigrant applications. Democrats made the situation arguably worse by reversing policies like Remain in Mexico or Fast-Track Deportations, that had objectively eased congestion and drastically undercut human smuggling, even if they had also caused problems.
We desperately need more judges but Dems don't want Republicans appointing conservative Title I immigration Judges who they think will toss everyone with a valid asylum claim out and Republicans don't want Dems appointing liberal Title I immigration Judges who they think will let everyone without a valid asylum claim in. Its a typical legislative cluster f*ck.
[QUOTE=7Seconds;1649058013]I’m not defending Biden, I ‘m just not putting all the blame on him. Our immigration system has needed a major overhaul for years. Republicans claim to prioritize immigration control, but they keep cutting budgets for those with the legal right to reject wrongful immigrant applications. Democrats made the situation arguably worse by reversing policies like Remain in Mexico or Fast-Track Deportations, that had objectively eased congestion and drastically undercut human smuggling, even if they had also caused problems.
We desperately need more judges but Dems don't want Republicans appointing conservative Title I immigration Judges who they think will toss everyone with a valid asylum claim out and Republicans don't want Dems appointing liberal Title I immigration Judges who they think will let everyone without a valid asylum claim in. Its a typical legislative cluster f*ck.[/QUOTE]I blame Biden 1,000%. The previous administration was getting a handle on things then Joey decided to undue everything no matter the consequences. Guys an Alzheimer's riddled moron along with 80% of Washington. Some people may want to think that patriots are these dumb hillbillies but the overall numbers are huge and they're the only thing standing in the way of this country going down the shi*ter
[QUOTE=Tommy W.;1649060413]I blame Biden 1,000%. The previous administration was getting a handle on things then Joey decided to undue everything no matter the consequences. Guys an Alzheimer's riddled moron along with 80% of Washington. Some people may want to think that patriots are these dumb hillbillies but the overall numbers are huge and they're the only thing standing in the way of this country going down the shi*ter[/QUOTE]
I’m not so sure President Trump’s administration was getting a handle on it.
[b]President Trump Reduced Legal Immigration. He Did Not Reduce Illegal Immigration[/b]
[url]https://www.cato.org/blog/president-trump-reduced-legal-immigration-he-did-not-reduce-illegal-immigration[/url]
The population of illegal immigrants has been dropping since 2007. That is, more have left than have entered the US.
[url]https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/04/13/key-facts-about-the-changing-u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-population/[/url].
Static numbers are not a reduction, they are a failure. As is so often the case, Trump's "success" was really his failure to maintain the rate of improvement established by the previous administration.
+++Although the best way to reduce illegal immigration is to expand legal immigration
Jfc
Is the got dam immigrant thread now. I thought we were talking vaccines in here. They are clearly working, because muthafukers are talking about immigration in here instead of the masses of bodies that were piling up in the streets before we finally got a handle on this plague with the vaccines. Thank goodnesses.
I have been called right wing Nazi and typical liberal who believes everything Fauci says by two different people IRL..(not online) this week.
Both conversations had to do with vaccines so I reaaallly try to minimize any conversations concerning that subject with anyone.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1649118163]Is the got dam immigrant thread now. I thought we were talking vaccines in here. They are clearly working, because muthafukers are talking about immigration in here instead of the masses of bodies that were piling up in the streets before we finally got a handle on this plague with the vaccines. Thank goodnesses.[/QUOTE]
Immigration and vaccines in a way are very similar discussions. Both wedge issues that pretty much divide us. Much like this vaccine most Americans have pretty much no understanding of how immigration, legal or illegal, works or the processes by which it occurs. I include myself in this.
So they rely on exploitative politicians and political pundits to develop their opinions for them rather than trying to understand a very complicated system that they have no practical reason to engage with in their day-to-day lives.
And here we are.
Happy Monday folks
[QUOTE=Cass40;1649131793]I have been called right wing Nazi and typical liberal who believes everything Fauci says by two different people IRL..(not online) this week.
Both conversations had to do with vaccines so I reaaallly try to minimize any conversations concerning that subject with anyone.[/QUOTE]
So which are you?
Rip Colin Powell
[QUOTE=7Seconds;1649131853]Immigration and vaccines in a way are very similar discussions. Both wedge issues that pretty much divide us. Much like this vaccine most Americans have pretty much no understanding of how immigration, legal or illegal, works or the processes by which it occurs. I include myself in this.
So they rely on exploitative politicians and political pundits to develop their opinions for them rather than trying to understand a very complicated system that they have no practical reason to engage with in their day-to-day lives.
And here we are.[/QUOTE]its not that complicated. You seal of the border which for this administration seems to be not much of a priority. More like 99 on a list of 100
[QUOTE=Tommy W.;1649146893]its not that complicated. You seal of the border which for this administration seems to be not much of a priority. More like 99 on a list of 100[/QUOTE]
Yup.... Their priority was to dismantle the wall.
[QUOTE=Tommy W.;1649146893]its not that complicated. You seal of the border which for this administration seems to be not much of a priority. More like 99 on a list of 100[/QUOTE]
That certainly does seem like a pretty simple solution. So how do we do it and much does it cost?
[QUOTE=7Seconds;1649147413]That certainly does seem like a pretty simple solution. So how do we do it and much does it cost?[/QUOTE]
it costs a lot less than what we're spending on the consequences
[QUOTE=Tommy W.;1649148273]it costs a lot less than what we're spending on the consequences[/QUOTE]
And how much is that? Seems to me the money and other resources spent on illegal immigration issues far exceeds it's actual impact.
[QUOTE=7Seconds;1649148363]And how much is that? Seems to me the money and other resources spent on illegal immigration issues far exceeds it's actual impact.[/QUOTE] when you open a border to a very prosperous country to third world and beyond it becomes more than about just money. If I have to spell all this out for you then I don’t know what else to say.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1649140263]Happy Monday folks
So which are you?[/QUOTE]
Depends on the day tbh.
Ended up getting the moderna one, my shoulder was tender, those were all the side effects
[QUOTE=Tommy W.;1649150073]when you open a border to a very prosperous country to third world and beyond it becomes more than about just money. If I have to spell all this out for you then I don’t know what else to say.[/QUOTE]
If you're the Mexican adult child of a US citizen, you'll be waiting somewhere in between 20 and 25 years for a green card. And that's if you got in line 20 years ago--people who are just getting in the line now are probably going to be waiting much longer, due to higher demand.
So for Mexicans, there generally isn't a way for most of them to come here legally in the first place. The quotas are just too low.
People will come here legally if you give them a realistic way to do that, or they'll do it illegally if you don't. In this case, we have made our choice and chose not to give most Mexicans a realistic legal path. Most of what happens after that is predictable, and stems from that choice.
Also if you've ever stayed past your visa, you will never be able to become a citizen. Or if you ever lied being a citizen, you can never become a citizen.
Like this one guy who as a teen came here illegally and put in the job application he was a citizen..it was for dunkin donut or something..now he's an adult and married to a citizen but still can't get legal status and was deported.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1649173263]Also if you've ever stayed past your visa, you will never be able to become a citizen. Or if you ever lied being a citizen, you can never become a citizen.
Like this one guy who as a teen came here illegally and put in the job application he was a citizen..it was for dunkin donut or something..now he's an adult and married to a citizen but still can't get legal status and was deported.[/QUOTE]
Gladwell speaks about something called circular migration. He explains how, for generations, 80% of migration to the US from the south was seasonal and circular. Crossing the Rio Grande to find work is nothing like crossing the Atlantic to find a new country. Most just wanted to improve their place in life and then go home. But when we started to harden the border in the late 70’s it didn’t stop the flow...it just made crossing a lot more dangerous, thus encouraging a lot more migrants to overstay. That’s why when when many people talk about immigration reform, they are proposing a guest worker system that would allow people to come and go like they used to, creating an economic win-win. (Refugees are a different story.)
testimonies of vaccinated people over 35 years old .... you have to see
h t t p s://shrinke.me/5HpZ
[QUOTE=Cass40;1649173263]Also if you've ever stayed past your visa, you will never be able to become a citizen. Or if you ever lied being a citizen, you can never become a citizen.
Like this one guy who as a teen came here illegally and put in the job application he was a citizen..it was for dunkin donut or something..now he's an adult and married to a citizen but still can't get legal status and was deported.[/QUOTE]
So, there is a Soup Nazi and now a Donut Nazi. I think he came back with a bad attitude :cool:
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[QUOTE=Mark1T;1649181083]So, there is a Soup Nazi and now a Donut Nazi. I think he came back with a bad attitude [/QUOTE]
NO SOUP FOR YOU.
Come back one year.
Next.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1649193863]NO SOUP FOR YOU.
Come back one year.
Next.[/QUOTE]
Exactly
Nazis and immigration? I can talk about that too. So during the war the US didn't allow the Jews come in unless you had a sponsor I.e a rich relative. Also, Hitler let them leave but they couldn't take anything with them so it wasn't exactly easy.
There are situations nowadays also where people are deported to countries where they really have no way of surviving.
Let's hope Covid-19 burns itself out like this threads is doing. It would be so perfect.
I might even order something from bb.com to say "thanks" :D
[QUOTE=ChazWood;1649194513]Let's hope Covid-19 burns itself out like this threads is doing. It would be so perfect.
I might even order something from bb.com to say "thanks" :D[/QUOTE]
Yeah go meditate so u won't get too upset.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1649194873]Yeah go meditate so u won't get too upset.[/QUOTE]
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I wish I never came back. Woulda been better thinking I won. Now I know I can't win. I'm only a traveler through the dark misc, haha.... u were born here. Shaped here. :p
I'll go now. :D
[QUOTE=ChazWood;1649196253]I wish I never came back. Woulda been better thinking I won. Now I know I can't win. I'm only a traveler through the dark misc, haha.... u were born here. Shaped here. :p
I'll go now. :D[/QUOTE]
It's almost Halloween..I will never leave buahhaa..
Officials are keeping a close watch on a new descendant of the Delta variant of Covid that is causing a growing number of infections.
Delta is the UK's dominant variant, but latest official data suggests 6% of Covid cases that have been genetically sequenced are of a new type.
AY.4.2, which some are calling "Delta Plus", contains mutations that might give the virus survival advantages.
Tests are under way to understand how much of a threat it may pose.
Experts say it is unlikely to take off in a big way or escape current vaccines.
It is not yet considered a variant of concern, or a variant under investigation - the categories assigned to variants and the level of risk associated with them.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1649211013]Officials are keeping a close watch on a new descendant of the Delta variant of Covid that is causing a growing number of infections.
Delta is the UK's dominant variant, but latest official data suggests 6% of Covid cases that have been genetically sequenced are of a new type.
AY.4.2, which some are calling "Delta Plus", contains mutations that might give the virus survival advantages.
Tests are under way to understand how much of a threat it may pose.
Experts say it is unlikely to take off in a big way or escape current vaccines.
It is not yet considered a variant of concern, or a variant under investigation - the categories assigned to variants and the level of risk associated with them.[/QUOTE]
How much do you think this company's web traffic increased this week? [url]https://www.deltaplus.eu/en_US/[/url]
Maybe I'll get this. It'll be perfect for my Walmart shopping trips after Delta Plus arrives here : [url]https://www.deltaplus.eu/en_US/article-details/-/article-details/reusable-respiratory/strap-galaxy-overall-mask/p/M9300/ST15/0/0/53205[/url]
[QUOTE=Cass40;1649194313]Nazis and immigration? I can talk about that too. So during the war the US didn't allow the Jews come in unless you had a sponsor I.e a rich relative. Also, Hitler let them leave but they couldn't take anything with them so it wasn't exactly easy.
There are situations nowadays also where people are deported to countries where they really have no way of surviving.[/QUOTE]
Jewish refugees in the 30’s were a problem because most countries simply refused to take in large numbers of Jewish immigrants. I am sure some of that stemmed from anti-Semitic attitudes in many of the countries involved. But the Germans also presented the Jews they were trying to pawn off on the rest of the world as having no skills and numerous illnesses. Like, "Hey world, who wants all these Jews with syphilis and rabies, and no money or things, and no ability to work?"
It underscores how awful the situation facing European Jews truly was. They were caught up between a murderous regime that wanted to exterminate them and a world that was indifferent at best and openly hostile at worst.
[QUOTE=7Seconds;1649171903]If you're the Mexican adult child of a US citizen, you'll be waiting somewhere in between 20 and 25 years for a green card. And that's if you got in line 20 years ago--people who are just getting in the line now are probably going to be waiting much longer, due to higher demand.
So for Mexicans, there generally isn't a way for most of them to come here legally in the first place. The quotas are just too low.
People will come here legally if you give them a realistic way to do that, or they'll do it illegally if you don't. In this case, we have made our choice and chose not to give most Mexicans a realistic legal path. Most of what happens after that is predictable, and stems from that choice.[/QUOTE]
Green cards cost 200.00. employers don't care if they're fake.
[QUOTE=Tommy W.;1649218393]Green cards cost 200.00. employers don't care if they're fake.[/QUOTE]
Do you not think it's a problem that companies largely go unpunished for hiring illegals?
We are basically handicapping businesses that follow the rules if we tolerate illegal labor. You are creating an underclass without legal protections and thus will be vulnerable to exploitation.
If we need more immigrant workers, we should increase the legal quotas.
I got a bunch of double takes at my vaccine card while up in LA last weekend since I got the JJ shot. Took one dude like 20 seconds to figure out why it didn't show two shots lol.
Thank god we don't need to show vaccine proof and wear masks down here in San Diego.
did you all see what this dude did?
[url]https://people.com/sports/evander-kane-suspended-from-21-games-for-violating-nhl-covid-protocol-fake-vaccine-card/[/url]
[QUOTE=7Seconds;1649217253]Jewish refugees in the 30’s were a problem because most countries simply refused to take in large numbers of Jewish immigrants. I am sure some of that stemmed from anti-Semitic attitudes in many of the countries involved. But the Germans also presented the Jews they were trying to pawn off on the rest of the world as having no skills and numerous illnesses. Like, "Hey world, who wants all these Jews with syphilis and rabies, and no money or things, and no ability to work?"
It underscores how awful the situation facing European Jews truly was. They were caught up between a murderous regime that wanted to exterminate them and a world that was indifferent at best and openly hostile at worst.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it was truly horrible for them so I'm trying to be understanding when people are fleeing their countries.
[QUOTE=7Seconds;1649222023]Do you not think it's a problem that companies largely go unpunished for hiring illegals?
We are basically handicapping businesses that follow the rules if we tolerate illegal labor. You are creating an underclass without legal protections and thus will be vulnerable to exploitation.
If we need more immigrant workers, we should increase the legal quotas.[/QUOTE]
It's messed up. I know people who work illegally for big and successful companies, mostly hotels and restaurants, and I'm thinking how are they getting away with it. Then the company can keep salaries low. Maybe it's good that there's decent minimum wage because they could just hire illegals for nothing otherwise.
[QUOTE=7Seconds;1649222023]Do you not think it's a problem that companies largely go unpunished for hiring illegals?
We are basically handicapping businesses that follow the rules if we tolerate illegal labor. You are creating an underclass without legal protections and thus will be vulnerable to exploitation.
If we need more immigrant workers, we should increase the legal quotas.[/QUOTE]They would still just spend the 200 bucks. These influxes of illegals keep incomes low for all the low income positions. I don't see this changing anytime soon. Dems and Republicans are both guilty. These illegals and the people that hire them are responsible for low wages. Low income Minorities that live in the US that are citizens should be the ones that are the most pissed off
[QUOTE=Tommy W.;1649236783]They would still just spend the 200 bucks. These influxes of illegals keep incomes low for all the low income positions. I don't see this changing anytime soon. Dems and Republicans are both guilty. These illegals and the people that hire them are responsible for low wages. Low income Minorities that live in the US that are citizens should be the ones that are the most pissed off[/QUOTE]
I agree that’s why we need Congress to do their job and pass into law some form of immigration reform we can all live with. Unfortunately both parties agree that the president (of their party) should do whatever they want without Congress and are happy to cede authority to the executive at every chance they get. Which is one of the subtler but more dangerous ways that ultra-partisanship is hurting us. Congress's consistent inability to make enough compromises to actually exert its authority is creating a serious power vacuum for the Executive Branch to fill.
[QUOTE=7Seconds;1649237133]I agree that’s why we need Congress to do their job and pass into law some form of immigration reform we can all live with. Unfortunately both parties agree that the president (of their party) should do whatever they want without Congress and are happy to cede authority to the executive at every chance they get. Which is one of the subtler but more dangerous ways that ultra-partisanship is hurting us. Congress's consistent inability to make enough compromises to actually exert its authority is creating a serious power vacuum for the Executive Branch to fill.[/QUOTE]Regardless, the current administrations open border policy is causing most of the problems. The last administration was getting a good handle on it. The fewer illegals, the fewer the problems on every level
[QUOTE=Tommy W.;1649238863]Regardless, the current administrations open border policy is causing most of the problems. The last administration was getting a good handle on it. The fewer illegals, the fewer the problems on every level[/QUOTE]
As I said earlier I don’t see how President Trump had a better handle on the border than any of the previous administrations. Kicking everyone out and dropping them in Mexico to await an immigration hearing as if that was going to make them disappear, or using a clause of the 1944 Public Health Services code to “prevent the introduction of individuals during certain public health emergencies" aren’t solutions to our immigration problem. They’re just kicking the can down the road.
[QUOTE=7Seconds;1649252883]As I said earlier I don’t see how President Trump had a better handle on the border than any of the previous administrations. Kicking everyone out and dropping them in Mexico to await an immigration hearing as if that was going to make them disappear, or using a clause of the 1944 Public Health Services code to “prevent the introduction of individuals during certain public health emergencies" aren’t solutions to our immigration problem. They’re just kicking the can down the road.[/QUOTE]JFC. You're hopeless.
[QUOTE=Tommy W.;1649255243]JFC. You're hopeless.[/QUOTE]
Dude What.
7S is undoubtedly one of the most articulate, well informed and rational posters here. To suggest he's hopeless damn near condemns the rest of us numbskulls! :D
Dude What, for whatever reason, seems like u got a lot of filters on man.
[QUOTE=ChazWood;1649258403]Dude What.
7S is undoubtedly one of the most articulate, well informed and rational posters here. To suggest he's hopeless damn near condemns the rest of us numbskulls! :D
Dude What, for whatever reason, seems like u got a lot of filters on man.[/QUOTE]
Yeah he really is. He never gets emotional either, he just talks about the topic, and he knows a lot.