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[QUOTE=7Seconds;1648144533]Unions have two main functions: collective bargaining and political advocacy. They try to influence the political process to improve the working conditions of their members. They’re not overstepping their bounds. This is and always has been one of the main things unions do. Just like there are all sorts of groups lobbying for fewer restrictions and no mask mandates.[/QUOTE]
It says a lot that their advocacy for their members involves the imposition on another group.
[QUOTE=TolerantLactose;1648145633]It says a lot that their advocacy for their members involves the imposition on another group.[/QUOTE]
Parents have other choices for their kids education. In fact this seems to be pretty solid reason to advocate for school choice. Personally I have a bigger problem with the idea of public education than I do with schools requiring vaccines.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1648143093]IMO he nails so many things, but, if I had a point of criticism the verbiage surrounding this would all be over right now if everyone had just gotten vaxxed, is a bit too far for me. I am not sure it's fair to assume that. And to assume that is just as dumb as when anti-vax say the vaccines don't work. Both sides can be a bit too passionately one sided.[/QUOTE]
I can't add anything. That is exactly what I thought.
[url]https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/mercks-covid-19-pill-cuts-risk-death-hospitalization-by-50-study-2021-10-01/[/url]
[quote]Oct 1 (Reuters) - An experimental antiviral pill developed by Merck & Co (MRK.N) could halve the chances of dying or being hospitalized for those most at risk of contracting severe COVID-19, according to data that experts hailed as a potential breakthrough in how the virus is treated.
If it gets authorization, molnupiravir, which is designed to introduce errors into the genetic code of the virus, would be the first oral antiviral medication for COVID-19.
Merck and partner Ridgeback Biotherapeutics said they plan to seek U.S. emergency use authorization for the pill as soon as possible and to make regulatory applications worldwide.
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If molnupiravir is as promising as the studies sound, it may be a superior treatment to getting rid of COVID once you actually have it.
Going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1648141923][img]https://i.imgur.com/TNYIkhN.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
So instead of being mad at the government which is the reason why he has to miss going out and seeing faces, he blames the people who don't want to be vaccinated.
He's certainly a special one.
[QUOTE=7Seconds;1648141643]Since the covid vaccine has received FDA approval why wouldn’t a public school be allowed to require it as it does the others?[/QUOTE]
Just because food is FDA approved to eat, doesn't mean it's healthy.
[QUOTE=7Seconds;1648141643]Since the covid vaccine has received FDA approval why wouldn’t a public school be allowed to require it as it does the others?[/QUOTE]
Except we are not receiving the "approved" vaccine. Everyone is being given the EUA vaccine. Why is that?
[QUOTE=_zman;1648167393]Just because food is FDA approved to eat, doesn't mean it's healthy.[/QUOTE]
Are you against vaccine requirements in schools all together or just Covid? This was already litigated when immunization records became a thing forever ago, so if schools can require MMR why can’t they require Covid? What should be the standard?
[QUOTE=Fishman15;1648168963]Except we are not receiving the "approved" vaccine. Everyone is being given the EUA vaccine. Why is that?[/QUOTE]
I don’t really know what you mean.
Stirring the pot
400,000 covid deaths in 11 months under Trump who had about 1 month use of the vaccines.
300,000 covid deaths in 8 months under Biden who had 8 months use of the vaccines.
I thought that boy was gonna fix this pandemic.
[QUOTE=_zman;1648167393]Just because food is FDA approved to eat, doesn't mean it's healthy.[/QUOTE]
Wait you mean pop, chips, and foods loaded with preservatives aren’t healthy for us, despite being FDA approved? Isn’t obesity the main comorbidity for those that have putatively died from Covid, while young, non-obese people easily beat Covid?
Wasn’t the drugs DES, Chantix, and Revulin, also FDA approved? That is until 15 - 40 years later it was found those drugs were causing cancer in the users or their offspring.
Isn’t true that many of those at the FDA are/were executives or board members for the food or drug companies that are supposed to regulate?
Yikes
[QUOTE=7Seconds;1648170133]Are you against vaccine requirements in schools all together or just Covid? This was already litigated when immunization records became a thing forever ago, so if schools can require MMR why can’t they require Covid? What should be the standard?
I don’t really know what you mean.[/QUOTE]
How about 10-15 years of research from human trials first? You know like those other vaccines had.
[QUOTE=deadwoodgregg;1648174183]Stirring the pot
400,000 covid deaths in 11 months under Trump who had about 1 month use of the vaccines.
300,000 covid deaths in 8 months under Biden who had 8 months use of the vaccines.
I thought that boy was gonna fix this pandemic.[/QUOTE]
This is worth reading and explains it all.
Only 6 months of protection.........
[url]https://news.trust.org/item/20211001194329-xkwip[/url]
[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme;1648174683]How about 10-15 years of research from human trials first? You know like those other vaccines had.[/QUOTE]
Sure we had 12 years to wait and see......
Common sense isn't so common!
Jzus Kryst!
Emergency use authorization = emergency duh!
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1648175503]Sure we had 12 years to wait and see......
Common sense isn't so common!
Jzus Kryst!
Emergency use authorization = emergency duh![/QUOTE]
Got anymore anecdotal evidence to share Benny? I mean you have such a sterling reputation across these forums for your intellectual honesty (lmao), that I’m sure others are dying to hear what you have say (lol).
[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme;1648175763]Got anymore anecdotal evidence to share Benny? I mean you have such a sterling reputation across these forums for your intellectual honesty (lmao), that I’m sure others are dying to hear what you have say (lol).[/QUOTE]
Weak, try religion stalker troll,.
Oh wait you are a* pretend religions person* or you wouldnt act like this the other 6 days of the week!
Just to reiterate, emergency use authorization is for a pandemic emergency.
If you need help I can type slower and break it down further. I know about your mental health challenges and chemical plants in Jersey.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1648176973]Weak, try religion stalker troll,.
Oh wait you are a* pretend religions person* or you wouldnt act like this the other 6 days of the week!
Just to reiterate, emergency use authorization is for a pandemic emergency.
If you need help I can type slower and break it down further. I know about your mental health challenges and chemical plants in Jersey.[/QUOTE]
It’s not only just me that calls you intellectually dishonest. You have earned that reputation due to your postings across the R&P and other forums.
That is a reflection upon you.
You have some thinking to do.
[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme;1648175763] I mean you have such a sterling reputation across these forums for your intellectual honesty (lmao), that I’m sure others are dying to hear what you have say (lol).[/QUOTE]
Ben does have a reputation for intellectual honesty, in fact, I always kinda though it was his thing. And I am generally interested in anything he has to say, even though I don't always agree.
You just seem really angry and bitter. 22,000 posts on a supplement selling site and the vast majority that I have seen are argumentative, trollish, dishonest, and angry. You should try out the "Christ" part of Christianity.
[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme;1648177703]It’s not only just me that calls you intellectually dishonest. You have earned that reputation due to your postings across the R&P and other forums.
That is a reflection upon you.
You have some thinking to do.[/QUOTE]
Try your character assassination techniques elsewhere.
10-15 years wait time and we have 700,000 deaths in 18 months.
That idiotic statement is a reflection on you and your lack of critical thinking. You are not allowed to use the word intellectual after the 10-15 year line.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1648178553]Try your character assassination techniques elsewhere.
10-15 years wait time and we have 700,000 deaths in 18 months.
That idiotic statement is a reflection on you and your lack of critical thinking. You are not allowed to use the word intellectual after the 10-15 year line.[/QUOTE]
Another way to have worded it is: 7 to 10.5 million dead.
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[QUOTE=_zman;1648140413]Don't those vaccines actually work though?[/QUOTE]
[quote]During a mumps outbreak, people who have been vaccinated can still get the disease. This is especially true if you didn’t receive both doses of the vaccine. However, the symptoms and complications are much less severe in people who are vaccinated compared with those who aren’t[/quote]
[url]https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates/blogs/health-and-wellness/2019/may/mumps[/url]
Sounds strangely familiar...
But by your definition of "work" then no.
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1648179153][url]https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates/blogs/health-and-wellness/2019/may/mumps[/url]
Sounds strangely familiar...
But by your definition of "work" then no.[/QUOTE]
Bleach only kills 99.9% of germs. It doesnt work. You people are sheep for cleaning your houses.
[QUOTE=7Seconds;1648170133]Are you against vaccine requirements in schools all together or just Covid?
[/QUOTE]
I'm simply not a fan of [B]mandating [/B]anything that hasn't been properly studied over a long period of time.
For example, look at the research on vaping nicotine. The research of whether some of the materials used cause cancer still isn't 100 percent clear and vaping has been around for many years. You could vape a reasonable amount for years and have no adverse effects whatsoever, but still develop cancer later in life not knowing for sure what was the initial cause.
[QUOTE=eomrat;1648179373]Bleach only kills 99.9% of germs. It doesnt work. You people are sheep for cleaning your houses.[/QUOTE]
Wizzard, how did you know i was cleaning right now?
LMAO
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1648180433]Wizzard, how did you know i was cleaning right now?
LMAO[/QUOTE]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/SNe8RIc.jpg?1[/img]
[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme;1648177703]It’s not only just me that calls you intellectually dishonest. You have earned that reputation due to your postings across the R&P and other forums.
That is a reflection upon you.
You have some thinking to do.[/QUOTE]
To be honest most of the people who call Ben intellectually dishonest simply disagree with him and don't have the intellectual capacity to explain why or to offer a legitimate counter argument. They just resort to insults or to "shoot the messenger" types of responses.
[QUOTE=eomrat;1648178023]Ben does have a reputation for intellectual honesty, in fact, I always kinda though it was his thing. And I am generally interested in anything he has to say, even though I don't always agree.
You just seem really angry and bitter. 22,000 posts on a supplement selling site and the vast majority that I have seen are argumentative, trollish, dishonest, and angry. You should try out the "Christ" part of Christianity.
More dishonesty from Mr Christian.[/QUOTE]
No, he clearly does not. He’s notorious for masking the facts and posting half truths. He actually used to be a decent poster, but over the last 5 years or so, he’s changed.
Looks like you’re one that has been duped by him, or a follower. Either way it’s not a good look on your critical thinking skills - or should I say, a lack of your critical thinking skills.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/bKIwoDo.jpg?1[/img]
[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme;1648182403]No, he clearly does not. He’s notorious for masking the facts and posting half truths. He actually used to be a decent poster, but over the last 5 years or so, he’s changed.
Looks like you’re one that has been duped by him, or a follower. Either way it’s not a good look on your critical thinking skills - or should I say, a lack of your critical thinking skills.[/QUOTE]
This guy!
He needs Jesus in his life, "Lord hear our prayers"
LMAO
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[QUOTE=LtGoose;1648223543][img]https://images7.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED414/6156f762cba59.jpeg[/img][/QUOTE]
lol rep on spread
Still waiting for those side effects to kick in from April, I hear that they are bad so I am bracing myself this month.
Spiked proteinz are scary......
six out of every million will develop heart inflammation within ten days of the second dose.
But unvaccinated people are still at a much higher risk.
The team found that 47.5 out of every one million people who had not had their shots and underwent health screenings had the condition.
6<47
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1648282023] six out of every million will develop heart inflammation within ten days of the second dose.
But unvaccinated people are still at a much higher risk.
The team found that 47.5 out of every one million people who had not had their shots and underwent health screenings had the condition.
6<47[/QUOTE]
That meme is a straw man :)
They know the risk of getting infected is higher and the risk of dying or having any bad outcome is also higher, for anyone who declines the vaccine and hasn't already had the virus.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648296963]That meme is a straw man :)
They know the risk of getting infected is higher and the risk of dying or having any bad outcome is also higher, for anyone who declines the vaccine and hasn't already had the virus.[/QUOTE]
Well you may or may not know this but reporters report on newly released data, and then we as consumers consume the articles.
Finding good, reliable, accurate info on this topic is next to impossible( any suggestions) so we do the best we can.
So, if you have any non "medicalese" publications that you want to point us towards, it would be quite helpful to add to the discussions.
ex 1
[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10057351/Just-SIX-1-million-develop-rare-heart-inflammation-second-dose-vaccine.html[/url]
I am leaning more towards getting a booster after talking to a doctor friend of mine this morning. Where are the rest of you healthy middle aged men on boosters?
[QUOTE=LtGoose;1648223543][img]https://images7.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED414/6156f762cba59.jpeg[/img][/QUOTE]
I saw a similar graphic about riding a motorcycle without a helmet and how you can still die from an accident while wearing one. Really made me see the light. Stupid helmetcels.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1648298973]I am leaning more towards getting a booster after talking to a doctor friend of mine this morning. Where are the rest of you healthy middle aged men on boosters?
I saw a similar graphic about riding a motorcycle without a helmet and how you can still die from an accident while wearing one. Really made me see the light. Stupid helmetcels.[/QUOTE]
That one is tricky, Biden says everyone should get boosters, the CDC and the FDA can't agree on the topic. If you don't get your boosters you are an antivaxxer. If you get a booster, at your age, you are not following the science. So which are you antivax or anti science?
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1648299533]That one is tricky, Biden says everyone should get boosters, the CDC and the FDA can't agree on the topic. If you don't get your boosters you are an antivaxxer. If you get a booster, at your age, you are not following the science. So which are you antivax or anti science?[/QUOTE]
Why do you say not following the science if science seems to be split? I believe those organizations and those in medicine are simply saying they aren't necessary. Is there data the potential for AEs out weights the potential for benefit? Because there are many days I probably don't need to supplement more protein with a shake but I do so anyway.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/FnFo1nW.png[/img]
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1648297403]Well you may or may not know this but reporters report on newly released data, and then we as consumers consume the articles.
Finding good, reliable, accurate info on this topic is next to impossible( any suggestions) so we do the best we can.
So, if you have any non "medicalese" publications that you want to point us towards, it would be quite helpful to add to the discussions.
[/QUOTE]
Something like this?
[url]https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-how-well-covid-19-vaccines-work-against-the-delta-variant#Key-takeaways[/url]
It's important to realize that % protection is compared to the incidence of those outcomes in an unvaccinated population. So if 1 in 100 people without the vaccine get infected and the vaccine is 35% effective at preventing infection, then you get .65 infected people in 100 (so either very short people/manlets, or 1 in 153 people *short guy ducking now*).
I think people don't understand what % effective means. We would have accepted 50% effective at the start, and we got 95%. Pretty amazing.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/uEsprRh.jpg?1[/img]
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[QUOTE=mgftp;1648307733]Why do you say not following the science if science seems to be split? I believe those organizations and those in medicine are simply saying they aren't necessary. Is there data the potential for AEs out weights the potential for benefit? Because there are many days I probably don't need to supplement more protein with a shake but I do so anyway.[/QUOTE]
Because the “science” is what the politicians say it is, not what we have accepted based on actual scientific studies. Where have you been lol.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1648307843][img]https://i.imgur.com/FnFo1nW.png[/img][/QUOTE]
No you didn’t just bring one of my favorite artists into this BS! And he’s dead. Leave him alone!!
Lmfao
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1648317523]Because the “science” is what the politicians say it is, not what we have accepted based on actual scientific studies. Where have you been lol.[/QUOTE]
Oh, that's not my science.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648311313]Something like this?
[url]https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-how-well-covid-19-vaccines-work-against-the-delta-variant#Key-takeaways[/url]
It's important to realize that % protection is compared to the incidence of those outcomes in an unvaccinated population. So if 1 in 100 people without the vaccine get infected and the vaccine is 35% effective at preventing infection, then you get .65 infected people in 100 (so either very short people/manlets, or 1 in 153 people *short guy ducking now*).
I think people don't understand what % effective means. We would have accepted 50% effective at the start, and we got 95%. Pretty amazing.[/QUOTE]
Yes thanks, great read!
[QUOTE=mgftp;1648298973]I am leaning more towards getting a booster after talking to a doctor friend of mine this morning. Where are the rest of you healthy middle aged men on boosters?
[/QUOTE]
I'm not far enough out from my last shot to get one, but I don't see much downside to it. 3 of the 4 people in my house have had a booster shot since my parents are visiting and my wife got one. If your job requires you get exposed or if you just want the peace of mind, it seems reasonable to me. I'm fairly well protected I think given everyone here had one. I'll probably get one soon unless a delta specific shot comes out.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1648298973]I am leaning more towards getting a booster after talking to a doctor friend of mine this morning. Where are the rest of you healthy middle aged men on boosters?
I saw a similar graphic about riding a motorcycle without a helmet and how you can still die from an accident while wearing one. Really made me see the light. Stupid helmetcels.[/QUOTE]
Woman here, but got my booster and doing good. Here is positive news from Israel on boosters:
[url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-05/covid-booster-shots-bring-tel-aviv-back-to-life?utm_source=********&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm&fbclid=IwAR3L73TDZY9YeAUYJDygBo5ceIXviATO-6iagI3obg9oThvCdUpl1yH6M98[/url]
[QUOTE=lotusdeva;1648410403]Woman here, but got my booster and doing good. Here is positive news from Israel on boosters:
[url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-05/covid-booster-shots-bring-tel-aviv-back-to-life?utm_source=********&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm&fbclid=IwAR3L73TDZY9YeAUYJDygBo5ceIXviATO-6iagI3obg9oThvCdUpl1yH6M98[/url][/QUOTE]
Hi Ms. Deva. Pfizer or Moderna? Why did you get the booster? How did you get it since you are so young? Just ask for it? :) (I got Moderna)
[b]Question for anyone:[/b] Why is the government pushing and demanding vaccines, but with the open border, no one is tested much less given vaccines when let them through and then ship them all over the US?
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1648412283]Hi Ms. Deva. Pfizer or Moderna? Why did you get the booster? How did you get it since you are so young? Just ask for it? :) (I got Moderna)
[b]Question for anyone:[/b] Why is the government pushing and demanding vaccines, but with the open border, no one is tested much less given vaccines when let them through and then ship them all over the US?[/QUOTE]
As of Oct. 1 green card applicants are required to get vaccinated.