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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1641490903]The FDA will add a warning to Pfizer and Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccines after government scientists found a likely connection between the shots and rare types of heart inflammation in about 1,200 young people[/QUOTE]
What is considered young? I had some chest pain today.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1641491923]What is considered young? I had some chest pain today.[/QUOTE]
I believe this was referring to 16-26 year olds, probably happens in older adults too, just less likely to be attributed to the vaccine since the incidence rate would be higher in older adults in general so harder to determine a correlation to the vaccine. I had chest pains during and after covid for a bit, so for older people I wouldn’t be surprised if the infection had a greater potential for this than vaccine.
Personally I am very much against vaccinating kids for this. It is an unnecessary risk for them since their potential for a bad outcome from covid is so low. Let it burn through them naturally, while vaccinating the higher risk would be a logical risk based approach.
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The guy is right in that vaccination should be individual choice not coercion and it shouldn't have been emergency approved rather than following usual process (albeit accelerated) as that just opens doubts
Just got back from getting my first vaccine shot. Second shot July 22.
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1641536063]Just got back from getting my first vaccine shot. Second shot July 22.[/QUOTE]
Congrats, Pfizer or Moderna?
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1641519003]The guy is right in that vaccination should be individual choice not coercion and it shouldn't have been emergency approved rather than following usual process (albeit accelerated) as that just opens doubts[/QUOTE]
As someone in the wait-and-see camp for the vaccine, I actually disagree. What we needed in order to return to normal was decoupling infections from hospitilizations and deaths so as not to overwhelm our systems. Authorizing the vaccine for emergency use made perfect sense for administering it to people for whom covid is an emergency (elderly, comorbidities, etc.). Unfortunately, they have pushed way, way beyond that.
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Executives at local hospital are clearly getting frustrated.
Entire state is only 50% vaccinated and the trend of newly vaccinated are clearly trending to 0%.
Nice to know I live in a state that isn't completely brainwashed.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1641536413]Congrats, Pfizer or Moderna?[/QUOTE]
Pfizer. Second is July 22. After a few hours, my upper arm is sore around the shot area. Hopefully it stays there. I’ll let you know if I die ;)
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1641519003]The guy is right in that vaccination should be individual choice not coercion and it shouldn't have been emergency approved rather than following usual process (albeit accelerated) as that just opens doubts[/QUOTE]
I’m fine with emergency use, it was the only way to get it out soon enough to matter. However, that application should be reserved for the high risk groups, and those who willingly accept the possible risk of vaccination over the risk of the disease. The coercive methods of sticking a needle in anything that moves with an emergency use vaccine is nonsensical. It’s an individual choice based on personal health conditions/ concerns.
Wife and I received our 2nd Pfizer Tuesday. Had our name on a standby list, initially was supposed to wait till mid September. I felt worse after the first dose...which gave me mild side effects. This time only a little tired yesterday. Still got my workouts Wednesday and Today in. Starting next weekend allowing my two boys to have their friends over. Wife returns to work (hairstylist) next week, just in time for that.
How do these vaccines work against the Delta variant?
[QUOTE=_zman;1641589883]How do these vaccines work against the Delta variant?[/QUOTE]
Read an article from the uk saying the Pfizer was effective against it. Haven't heard anything about the others
[QUOTE=_zman;1641589883]How do these vaccines work against the Delta variant?[/QUOTE]
Not great but generally speaking, you won't end up on a ventilator. At least that is what is being said.
Guessing this stuff is like sports betting to a degree. How will the Dallas cowboys and Washington red..... play this season.
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COVID-19 vaccines made by AstraZeneca and the Pfizer-BioNTech alliance remain broadly effective against Delta and Kappa variants of the COVID-19 causing virus, which were first identified in India, according to a scientific study, underpinning a continued push to deliver the shots.
Today Veteran's Affairs (my employer) announced that they will be giving 4 hours of admin leave/paid time off for folks that are fully vaccinated. Ambivalent about that.
Almost everyone in my family is fully vaccinated - and I'll be happy to take the time off. Just not sure how ethical it is to bribe people regarding their health decisions.
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[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1641595173]Today Veteran's Affairs (my employer) announced that they will be giving 4 hours of admin leave/paid time off for folks that are fully vaccinated. Ambivalent about that.
Almost everyone in my family is fully vaccinated - and I'll be happy to take the time off. Just not sure how ethical it is to bribe people regarding their health decisions.[/QUOTE]
FFS....lol
[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1641595173]Today Veteran's Affairs (my employer) announced that they will be giving 4 hours of admin leave/paid time off for folks that are fully vaccinated. Ambivalent about that.
Almost everyone in my family is fully vaccinated - and I'll be happy to take the time off. Just not sure how ethical it is to bribe people regarding their health decisions.[/QUOTE]
The bribe is pretty low, and 4 hours? That’s not even close to the time the shot can put someone down in bed.
My 90 year old grandmom isn’t getting vaxxed and that this point, there’s no reason for her to anyway.
The politics made this out of control, that’s how much politics can really control anything. And my grand mom at 90 is smarter than today’s generations.
[QUOTE=LWW;1641597753]The bribe is pretty low, and 4 hours? That’s not even close to the time the shot can put someone down in bed.
My 90 year old grandmom isn’t getting vaxxed and that this point, there’s no reason for her to anyway.
The politics made this out of control, that’s how much politics can really control anything. And my grand mom at 90 is smarter than today’s generations.[/QUOTE]
True, the side effects can sideline folks for a bit - in VA there is up to 3 days' COVID leave that doesn't affect someone's sick leave balance and if truly ill can use worker's comp.
Four hours isn't much, but across hundreds of thousands of workers that's a lot of time and money.
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COVID-19 vaccines made by AstraZeneca and the Pfizer-BioNTech alliance remain broadly effective against Delta and Kappa variants of the COVID-19 causing virus, which were first identified in India, according to a scientific study, underpinning a continued push to deliver the shots.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for that info.
I am not overly fond of the kind of bribery thing, but it is being done to entice people to get the jab. with that being said, I wonder what is being offered to the less fortunate, disabled, homeless etc... They are the ones that really need a break, not those of us with a good income.
4hours? If it was to people to get vaccinated it'd make sense but already vaccinated people?
I wonder what the effect would be if they gave 1/2 day's pay to homeless or at high risk of becoming homeless veterans instead
Imagine the outrage if stores and workplaces gave out the same kind of bribes based on not being fat. SMDH
That is the first study that I have read that showed that those particular vaccinations worked against delta,which is very good news.
[QUOTE=ectoBgone;1641602533]Imagine the outrage if stores and workplaces gave out the same kind of bribes based on not being fat. SMDH[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1641595173] Just not sure how ethical it is to bribe people regarding their health decisions.[/QUOTE]
It's been done for 100 years. Some employers will pay for gym memberships, give time off for exercise, offer free flu shots, free health screenings... lots of different incentives (bribes). Decreasing sick days and health care costs pays off. I've gotten lots of trinkets for being enrolled in the employee fitness program or something.
One of the free health screenings I did at work, and I think you got entered into a chance to win a gift card or something, the person asked me "how much exercise do you get?". I said "I run almost every day, about 30 miles per week, and lift weights three times a week". She said "well, you should start doing something, it doesn't take much, maybe park a bit farther away or take the stairs instead of the elevators". I guess she had her speech she gave no matter what you said.
[QUOTE=Gabbar99;1641603573]It's been done for 100 years. Some employers will pay for gym memberships, give time off for exercise, offer free flu shots, free health screenings... lots of different incentives (bribes). Decreasing sick days and health care costs pays off. I've gotten lots of trinkets for being enrolled in the employee fitness program or something.
One of the free health screenings I did at work, and I think you got entered into a chance to win a gift card or something, the person asked me "how much exercise do you get?". I said "I run almost every day, about 30 miles per week, and lift weights three times a week". She said "well, you should start doing something, it doesn't take much, maybe park a bit farther away or take the stairs instead of the elevators". I guess she had her speech she gave no matter what you said.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately ignorance is ignorance, no matter overweight someone may appear, the ignorant are clueless to the physical benefits of dead lifting 100+ plus over bw for a good 10 reps without a belt or straps week after week.
[QUOTE=LWW;1641604773]Unfortunately ignorance is ignorance, no matter overweight someone may appear, the ignorant are clueless to the physical benefits of dead lifting 100+ plus over bw for a good 10 reps without a belt or straps week after week.[/QUOTE]
Overweight people are still at an increased health risk regardless of their deadlift numbers, straps or no straps.