Will you get vaccinated?

Thanks for that link, i usually listen to his CIDRAP podcast on the weekends.

Quatar= 947,000 and 18,700 got it
.9% 1 shot =8,203
1.2% 2 shots=10,543
77% Pfizer
385 hospitalized

[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1649843333]

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Shhhhh Homie, I along with many others gave up listening to your regurgitated bullsh!t eons ago

[QUOTE=_zman;1649841663]This article alludes to it: [url]https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/protection-immune-response-fall-after-pfizer-covid-vaccine-data-show[/url]

"In the first 2 weeks after the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine, estimated VE against any SARS-CoV-2 infection was less than 0."
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Estimated efficacy? Does that mean the numbers were too small for them to show any statistical difference but it the people who showed up and stood in line with a bunch of people wanting the vaccine may have had more infections the first week or two? If I have time I'll try to look at the actual study, but that line without any explanation tells me very little.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1649843743]Shhhhh Homie, I along with many others gave up listening to your regurgitated bullsh!t eons ago[/QUOTE]

You take your 4th booster yet?

[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1649850613]You take your 4th booster yet?[/QUOTE]

So just like masking is your suggestion that no one on Earth get the Vaccine, asking for some friends...Earthlings?

[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1649843333]For refusing a jab that has a 99.997% survival rate & has brought us..

818,042 Adverse Events
127,641 Doctor Visits
83,412 Hospitalizations
92,017 Urgent Care
26,199 Disabled
10,179 Bell's Palsy
10,304 Myocarditis
8,408 Heart Attacks
2,631 Miscarriages
17,128 Deaths


[url]https://openvaers.com/covid-data[/url]


Never change that cuck status ya got goin for you..it suits you perfectly[/QUOTE]

I think the survival rate from the jab might be higher than you're suggesting.

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2 decent articles.

[url]www.thestar.com/news/world/2021/11/01/covid-19s-global-death-toll-tops-5-million-in-under-2-years.html[/url]

Novavax

[url]www.thestar.com/business/2021/11/01/biotech-firm-novavax-submits-covid-19-vaccine-for-approval-by-health-canada.html[/url]

Get vaxxed and Stop the spread!

Leading in cases

[img]https://i.imgur.com/QTYe18A.png[/img]

Leading vaccinations

[img]https://i.imgur.com/LclCToW.png[/img]

Seems some of the highest vaccinated countries also have the highest cases. That’s odd…for an effective vaccine (*before the cdc changed the definition of a vaccine).

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1650028983]
Seems some of the highest vaccinated countries also have the highest cases. That’s odd…for an effective vaccine (*before the cdc changed the definition of a vaccine).[/QUOTE]

I remember at one point the CDC only considered a vaccinated person as infected if they were hospitalized (as opposed to simple positive PCR test). Any idea if that is the case in these Johns Hopkins numbers? Is there a similar chart for hospitalizations?

[QUOTE=ectoBgone;1650050993]I remember at one point the CDC only considered a vaccinated person as infected if they were hospitalized (as opposed to simple positive PCR test). Any idea if that is the case in these Johns Hopkins numbers? Is there a similar chart for hospitalizations?[/QUOTE]

I am not sure on that. "Breakthrough" cases only count if they are hospitalized or dead, I would guess that this information is simply based on total test results. For my last test that I got as a requirement to attend a convention I did not have to indicate whether vaccinated or not.

Russia and Romania are getting wrecked right now!
Lots of deaths.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1650059053]I am not sure on that. "Breakthrough" cases only count if they are hospitalized or dead, I would guess that this information is simply based on total test results. For my last test that I got as a requirement to attend a convention I did not have to indicate whether vaccinated or not.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I'd say you're right about that. I'm pretty sure the data is still reasonably strong for showing decrease in hospitalizations, at least for the first 6 months after getting it. ;)

Some evidence that vaccination can benefit those who were previously infected:

"Compared with participants without previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, those with prior infection maintained higher postvaccination adjusted median antibody measurements by an absolute difference of 1.25 (95% CI, 0.86-1.62) (relative difference, 14% [95% CI, 10%-19%]) at 1 month, 1.42 (95% CI, 0.98-1.86) (relative difference, 19% [95% CI, 13%-26%]) at 3 months, and 2.56 (95% CI, 1.66-4.08) (relative difference, 56% [95% CI, 35%-94%]) at 6 months.

Individuals with PCR-confirmed infection more than 90 days before vaccination had higher postvaccination adjusted antibody measurements, compared with those with PCR-confirmed infection less than or equal to 90 days before vaccination, of 10.52 (95% CI, 10.13-11.00) (absolute difference, 0.86 [95% CI, 0.28-1.48]; relative difference, 9% (95% CI, 3%-16%]) at 1 month and 9.31 (95% CI, 8.47-9.98) (absolute difference, 1.09 [95% CI, 0.17-1.92]; relative difference, 13% [95% CI, 2%-24%]) at 3 months."


[url]https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2785919[/url]


"Conflict of Interest Disclosures: Dr Milstone reported receiving grant support from Merck outside the submitted work. No other disclosures were reported.

Funding/Support: Research reported in this publication was supported in part by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases of the National Institutes of Health under awards T32AI007291 (Dr Zhong) and K24AI141580 (Dr Milstone) and the generosity of the collective community of donors to the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and the Johns Hopkins Health System for COVID-19 research.

Role of the Funder/Sponsor: The funders had no role in the design and conduct of the study; collection, management, analysis, and interpretation of the data; preparation, review, or approval of the manuscript; and decision to submit the manuscript for publication."

I still refuse to get infected for more antibodies.....unless she is really cute and curvy^^^^^^^ :)

[QUOTE=J.L.C.;1650069113]Some evidence that vaccination can benefit those who were previously infected:

"Compared with participants without previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, those with prior infection maintained higher postvaccination adjusted median antibody measurements by an absolute difference of 1.25 (95% CI, 0.86-1.62) (relative difference, 14% [95% CI, 10%-19%]) at 1 month, 1.42 (95% CI, 0.98-1.86) (relative difference, 19% [95% CI, 13%-26%]) at 3 months, and 2.56 (95% CI, 1.66-4.08) (relative difference, 56% [95% CI, 35%-94%]) at 6 months.

Individuals with PCR-confirmed infection more than 90 days before vaccination had higher postvaccination adjusted antibody measurements, compared with those with PCR-confirmed infection less than or equal to 90 days before vaccination, of 10.52 (95% CI, 10.13-11.00) (absolute difference, 0.86 [95% CI, 0.28-1.48]; relative difference, 9% (95% CI, 3%-16%]) at 1 month and 9.31 (95% CI, 8.47-9.98) (absolute difference, 1.09 [95% CI, 0.17-1.92]; relative difference, 13% [95% CI, 2%-24%]) at 3 months."


[url]https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2785919[/url]


"Conflict of Interest Disclosures: Dr Milstone reported receiving grant support from Merck outside the submitted work. No other disclosures were reported.

Funding/Support: Research reported in this publication was supported in part by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases of the National Institutes of Health under awards T32AI007291 (Dr Zhong) and K24AI141580 (Dr Milstone) and the generosity of the collective community of donors to the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and the Johns Hopkins Health System for COVID-19 research.

Role of the Funder/Sponsor: The funders had no role in the design and conduct of the study; collection, management, analysis, and interpretation of the data; preparation, review, or approval of the manuscript; and decision to submit the manuscript for publication."[/QUOTE]

I’m shocked that a study funded by pharmaceutical companies says pharmaceutical companies products are good. That’s pretty ground breaking research that getting a vaccine will increase antibodies. It would be hard to design a study to determine efficacy on the ever growing group of people with post-infection immunity. Reinfection is still not very common outside of specific demographics.

I just gotta say.

This thread his been, and continues to be a valuable resource to me since this covid bullchit started. Sorry, batchit.

Anyways, I want to thank all u curious, conscious, well-intending dudes who have contributed ITT. It's really been a big help to me.

Cheers Dudes! Carry on. :)


EDIT: and yes, even Paul_K in his unique way. :D

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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1650102093]I’m shocked that a study funded by pharmaceutical companies says pharmaceutical companies products are good. That’s pretty ground breaking research that getting a vaccine will increase antibodies. It would be hard to design a study to determine efficacy on the ever growing group of people with post-infection immunity. Reinfection is still not very common outside of specific demographics.[/QUOTE]

It looks like one of the investigators received funding from Merck (who makes ivermectin) for separate and unrelated work. This study wasn't sponsored by any pharmaceutical companies.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1649848263]Estimated efficacy? Does that mean the numbers were too small for them to show any statistical difference but it the people who showed up and stood in line with a bunch of people wanting the vaccine may have had more infections the first week or two? If I have time I'll try to look at the actual study, but that line without any explanation tells me very little.[/QUOTE]

Sister states that everyone on her surgery team is fully vaxxed and they all got it again after the booster. Anecdotal, but fits my narrative.

Looks like I might actually be able to get the Novavax soon tho.

[QUOTE=J.L.C.;1650121563]It looks like one of the investigators received funding from Merck (who makes ivermectin) for separate and unrelated work. This study wasn't sponsored by any pharmaceutical companies.[/QUOTE]

You obviously don't understand how funded research works....Universities, and other paid research is paid by "donors" who essentially pass funds from affected companies. It is a shell game. The study itself is pointless per my previous response. Demonstrating an increase of specific antibodies does not mean anything in real-world efficacy. The pool of control groups is ever shrinking to even create a solid study at this point. It would be hard to identify with certainty groups who have not (yet) been infected but have been vaccinated. They are out there, but it is an ever shrinking demographic.

[QUOTE=_zman;1650124913]Sister states that everyone on her surgery team is fully vaxxed and they all got it again after the booster. Anecdotal, but fits my narrative.

Looks like I might actually be able to get the Novavax soon tho.[/QUOTE]

Are you in the US? I haven't been checking up on it, but that is the one I'd get when I have to. The OSHA temporary emergency standard will likely be released soon. Then again the federal mandates for employees and cotractors are already being modified so they don't further negatively impact national security, the supply chain, and economy.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1650125013]You obviously don't understand how funded research works....Universities, and other paid research is paid by "donors" who essentially pass funds from affected companies. It is a shell game. The study itself is pointless per my previous response. Demonstrating an increase of specific antibodies does not mean anything in real-world efficacy. The pool of control groups is ever shrinking to even create a solid study at this point. It would be hard to identify with certainty groups who have not (yet) been infected but have been vaccinated. They are out there, but it is an ever shrinking demographic.[/QUOTE]

I'm quite familiar with research funding. While a small subset of research is conducted with support from "angel donors", grant funding is highly competitive with low success rates. The study I shared was funded through a combination of NIH grants and Johns Hopkins donations. It's not clear whether or not the donations were general donations to the school of medicine or directed specifically toward the project. I suspect the former.

Regarding the vaccine clinical trials, as far as I have seen, participants in the control arm were offered the vaccine after the trial concluded and the vaccine was approved, which is standard practice.

I interpret the findings as evidence of vaccination benefit for previously infected individuals.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1650125013]You obviously don't understand how funded research works....Universities, and other paid research is paid by "donors" who essentially pass funds from affected companies. It is a shell game. The study itself is pointless per my previous response. Demonstrating an increase of specific antibodies does not mean anything in real-world efficacy. The pool of control groups is ever shrinking to even create a solid study at this point.[B] It would be hard to identify with certainty groups who have not (yet) been infected but have been vaccinated[/B]. They are out there, but it is an ever shrinking demographic.[/QUOTE]

Wouldn't those people have anti-s antibodies but not anti-n antibodies?

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1650125133]Are you in the US? I haven't been checking up on it, but that is the one I'd get when I have to. The OSHA temporary emergency standard will likely be released soon. Then again the federal mandates for employees and cotractors are already being modified so they don't further negatively impact national security, the supply chain, and economy.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I'm in the US.

I've been wanting the Novavax for like 8 months now.

The OSHA standard will either force vaccination or revert to weekly testing at my employer. I'll have to pay for the testing, which is fine with me. I have a good relationship with a vendor so it should be $4-8 dollars a test, depending on the test. Plenty of them are inaccurate, which I'll inform HR about. Should be interesting to see how they react and how they'll handle testing with WFH culture.

Also, my sister got the virus Friday. Got the Ivermectin Sunday IIRC. Symptoms immediately subsided. She said you take 7 pills a day and she felt better after every pill and beat it in a day.

[QUOTE=J.L.C.;1650127763]Wouldn't those people have anti-s antibodies but not anti-n antibodies?[/QUOTE]

No idea, I have not dived that deep into specific antibodies stimulated by the spike protein vaccines and a lot is unknown scientifically about cell-mediated long term immunity. The more cutting edge stuff that I recall reading about was the incorporation of gene sequences of viruses into the human genome in people who have contracted a virus. Our so called "junk" DNA that "takes up spaces" is primarily genetic sequences from previous viral infections that assist the body in recognizing and fighting that specific disease in the future.

[QUOTE=_zman;1650133583]Yes, I'm in the US.

I've been wanting the Novavax for like 8 months now.

The OSHA standard will either force vaccination or revert to weekly testing at my employer. I'll have to pay for the testing, which is fine with me. I have a good relationship with a vendor so it should be $4-8 dollars a test, depending on the test. Plenty of them are inaccurate, which I'll inform HR about. Should be interesting to see how they react and how they'll handle testing with WFH culture.

Also, my sister got the virus Friday. Got the Ivermectin Sunday IIRC. Symptoms immediately subsided. She said you take 7 pills a day and she felt better after every pill and beat it in a day.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I was following the Novavax developments for awhile, but they seemed to be stalling on the production / distribution side of things. They might have some institutional hurdles too since it seems the existing mRNA manufactures have already greased the wheels that need greased to facilitate their objective of generating as much profit as possible. There is a COVID outbreak in deer in Iowa, those fukers not "trusting the science" I guess. I wonder when the park rangers are going to get with the program and get the deer and bunnies vaccinated to stop the spread.

[QUOTE=_zman;1650133583]Yes, I'm in the US.

I've been wanting the Novavax for like 8 months now.

The OSHA standard will either force vaccination or revert to weekly testing at my employer. I'll have to pay for the testing, which is fine with me. I have a good relationship with a vendor so it should be $4-8 dollars a test, depending on the test. Plenty of them are inaccurate, which I'll inform HR about. Should be interesting to see how they react and how they'll handle testing with WFH culture.

Also, my sister got the virus Friday. Got the Ivermectin Sunday IIRC. Symptoms immediately subsided. She said you take 7 pills a day and she felt better after every pill and beat it in a day.[/QUOTE]

I thought you quit your job with vaccine requirements?

Did the ivermectin also clear up your sister's worms?

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1650138553]No idea, I have not dived that deep into specific antibodies stimulated by the spike protein vaccines and a lot is unknown scientifically about cell-mediated long term immunity. The more cutting edge stuff that I recall reading about was the incorporation of gene sequences of viruses into the human genome in people who have contracted a virus. Our so called "junk" DNA that "takes up spaces" is primarily genetic sequences from previous viral infections that assist the body in recognizing and fighting that specific disease in the future. [/QUOTE]

Vaccination will give you anti-s; infection will give you anti-n and anti-s. We have serological assays (from Roche and Abbott) to detect both.

Both vaccination and infection will lead to long-term immunity.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1650139303]I thought you quit your job with vaccine requirements?

Did the ivermectin also clear up your sister's worms?[/QUOTE]


LMAO, the worm thing caught me by surprise.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1650139303]I thought you quit your job with vaccine requirements?

Did the ivermectin also clear up your sister's worms?[/QUOTE]

I did, but new employer will have to adhere to OSHA mandate if/when it comes.

Yep, virus cleared right up. Amazing how well it works. And her antibodies will be better than the vaccine and last longer.