Will you get vaccinated?

[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2.full[/url]

lets discuss this.

[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2.full[/url]

Let's discuss this.

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1640928183][url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2.full[/url]

Let's discuss this.[/QUOTE]

It's exactly what you'd expect given: "SARS-CoV-2 infection was defined as a positive nucleic acid amplification test. The date of infection was taken to be the date of onset of symptoms when available, and the date of specimen collection when not."

People who actually had an infection should be immune. What did you want to discuss?

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1640930433]It's exactly what you'd expect given: "SARS-CoV-2 infection was defined as a positive nucleic acid amplification test. The date of infection was taken to be the date of onset of symptoms when available, and the date of specimen collection when not."

People who actually had an infection should be immune. What did you want to discuss?[/QUOTE]

The media is using it as a way to say that you may not need to be vaccinated based on the number of employees and only some staff getting it. I am sure that you have seen this before, a study is published and journalists attempt to spin the data in the article. The short/quick conclusion was if you had Covid= then no shot.

More evidence suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019


A new analysis of blood samples from 24,000 Americans taken early last year is the latest and largest study to suggest that the new coronavirus popped up in the U.S. in December 2019 — weeks before cases were first recognized by health officials.

The analysis is not definitive, and some experts remain skeptical, but federal health officials are increasingly accepting a timeline in which small numbers of COVID-19 infections may have occurred in the U.S. before the world ever became aware of a dangerous new virus erupting in China.

“The studies are pretty consistent,” said Natalie Thornburg of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


[url]https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/evidence-suggests-covid-19-us-christmas-2019-78288906[/url]

[QUOTE=eomrat;1640911213]"[i]You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to steffo99 again.[/i]"[/QUOTE]

I got this!

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1640934033]The media is using it as a way to say that you may not need to be vaccinated based on the number of employees and only some staff getting it. I am sure that you have seen this before, a study is published and journalists attempt to spin the data in the article. The short/quick conclusion was if you had Covid= then no shot.[/QUOTE]

I didn't know they were already spinning it. Gotta laugh at stuff like that.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1640934333]More evidence suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019
[/QUOTE]

The night before my daughter flew to Ireland for a semester abroad, which was the first or second week of January 2020, I put a bunch of N95 masks in her backpack. I told her the virus was likely already in every developed country with a lot of travelers and she'd want them eventually.
She took them out saying I was being stupid, but I snuck them back in after she went to bed.

On Jan 25th when I flew to Belgium for work. My daughter and some of her friends met me there and we spent a few days as tourists. By then people were beginning to realize things could get bad and her friends took all but one of the N95's I had brought with me. They left me that one in case there was a sick person on one of my flights since I could get called to evaluate them.

Granted I'm in an industry where we pay attention to pandemics, and I did some work related to H5N1 in 2008 which made me a bit of a prepper, but a lot of us knew in January 2020 that we were in trouble. It would have been silly to think it hadn't arrived long before China locked down Wuhan. My colleagues and I had assumed it was already in NYC/SF/Chicago and a few other places when I left for Belgium, and were expecting masking recommendations in February. We were disappointed, but that's pretty typical when politics intersects with science and healthcare. Nice it only took 18 months for the US to get mostly past it.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1640841933]The point is, you didn't want the vaccine, even stated in the initial quote that you werent getting it. In fact you got the vaccine because someone else wanted you to, that is no diferent than someone getting it because their employer wanted them to, their next door neighbor or Fauchi wanting them to. You got something you said you weren't going to.


IMO that makes you a bigger hypocrite than someone who just got the vaccine because it was suggested, at least they didn't have their mind changed by someone else.


So the point is, you aren't any better than anyone else that got the jab, and in some cases worse. So get off your high horse before you fall off and break your neck you little fart.









[img]https://i.imgur.com/izUnXlo.gif[/img]










PS: All of this could have been avoided if you asked your wife about getting vaxxed before you shot your lips of and said you weren't getting it, like some kind of tough guy. :D[/QUOTE]



I told the dr when he was alone with me I didn’t want the shot.

My wife told him to schedule me, so I did it, I’m against companies and gov forcing it but I’m not afraid of the shot nor getting Covid. I get into fights with my wife every god damn weekend I don’t need another one, usually it’s about going to the gym, I tell her “too bad” and leave if she don’t want me to go, because my gym isn’t open all the time. That’s one battle I won’t stand down on, the shot I will just suck it up.

I never said anything about people who are forced to get the shot by their company, unless they agree with thier company.

I at least told the dr. No as I would tell my company, look I really don’t want to be forced to get this thing.

Btw I called keep it moving last chance for some odd reason.

got the first jab of astrazeneca in april, second set to july 7. so far so good.

Soo..what are the thoughts of the CDC ITT?

Can anyone please explain why they would put this out?
Srs question..

[url]https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/zombie/index.htm[/url]

Question is srs

My employer- you must get the shot in order to work here, unless it’s for religion or health.

Me- it’s against my religion.

My employer- what is your religion?

Me- I’m American!!! What are you?

What is this religion exemption BS? That is totally fuked up, it’s not like your religion won’t spread Covid.

This is all companies acting in fear, the religion thing says it all, god damn pussy millionaires will sell thier soul to make a buck, fuk ‘em all.

[QUOTE=LWW;1640943203]My employer- you must get the shot in order to work here, unless it’s for religion or health.

Me- it’s against my religion.

My employer- what is your religion?

Me- I’m American!!! What are you?

What is this religion exemption BS? That is totally fuked up, it’s not like your religion won’t spread Covid.

This is all companies acting in fear, the religion thing says it all, god damn pussy millionaires will sell thier soul to make a buck, fuk ‘em all.[/QUOTE]


Did this really happen? or are you throwing out hypotheticals.

[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1640942473]Soo..what are the thoughts of the CDC ITT?

Can anyone please explain why they would put this out?
Srs question..

[url]https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/zombie/index.htm[/url]

Question is srs[/QUOTE]

What?? Already? they said July?? Who changed the schedule, was it that damn Bill Gates again.

Better go out and buy a felling axe quick, those suckers are going to sell out faster than toilet paper in the great 2020 Covid scare once the nano vaccine zombie gene therapy is activated by the 5g pulse. Get a chainsaw too if you can

[QUOTE=LWW;1640943203]My employer- you must get the shot in order to work here, unless it’s for religion or health.

Me- it’s against my religion.

My employer- what is your religion?

Me- I’m American!!! What are you?

What is this religion exemption BS? That is totally fuked up, it’s not like your religion won’t spread Covid.

This is all companies acting in fear, the religion thing says it all, god damn pussy millionaires will sell thier soul to make a buck, fuk ‘em all.[/QUOTE]

Your employer doesn’t have a legal right to ask about your religion.

[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1640942473]

Can anyone please explain why they would put this out?


Question is srs[/QUOTE]

It’s been a thing for years, and the guide itself is purposely (and obviously) written with humorous and tongue in cheek language. The CDC is using humor through irony to point out how important it is to plan for every eventuality using a popular but highly unrealistic horror trope.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1640944673]Did this really happen? or are you throwing out hypotheticals.[/QUOTE]

That’s my MEME.

Don’t want your promises no more, cause Rock and Roll is my religion and my law.......

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1640946473]What?? Already? they said July?? Who changed the schedule, was it that damn Bill Gates again.

Better go out and buy a felling axe quick, those suckers are going to sell out faster than toilet paper in the great 2020 Covid scare once the nano vaccine zombie gene therapy is activated by the 5g pulse. Get a chainsaw too if you can[/QUOTE]

Very funny, but seriously, why would they put that out?

[QUOTE=7Seconds;1640949073]It’s been a thing for years, and the guide itself is purposely (and obviously) written with humorous and tongue in cheek language. The CDC is using humor through irony to point out how important it is to plan for every eventuality using a popular but highly unrealistic horror trope.[/QUOTE]

Do you really think it is unrealistic?

Have you ever come across a deer or animal
With Prion disease/zombie disease?

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/zombie-deer-disease-spreading-us/story%3fid=61107970[/url]

[url]https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2015/06/researchers-make-surprising-discovery-about-spread-of-chronic-wasting-disease/[/url]

Prion disease CAN happen in humans, correct?

I did not think the CDC was in the business of being jokesters..

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1640908223]I have none but I do try and keep up with the laws while on sabbatical. ;)



I didn't write the law. Its not a HIPAA nor a ADA violation to ask if someone is vaccinated no matter what scenario you throw at it. You'll also notice I said vaccine and not Covid for a reason. I would NOT ask if a potential new hire or a current employee had had Covid as that is real close to the line of ADA. But vaccines? No issue. You can then take each employee on a case by case basis.

I do not know what every single business is choosing to do with those who are already employed not getting the shot. Sounds like a nightmare and I'm glad not to have to deal with it :D I'm sure that this issue will end up in court too but using it as a screening is NOT a violation of anything unless something has changed in the last 6 months that I've missed.



Each business would need to decide what is reasonable for themselves. Its not a cookie cutter answer. The fact is, business can screen for vaccinated employees/potential employees so long as they are doing it for everyone. Will it be challenged in court? Yup but what KIM said was not factual.

I'd also add that I'd make it clear that all potential employees would be required (if the business leaders dictated) to be vaccinated as a condition of employment. Anyone can choose to apply or not. I would not want it to be a surprise and I would have my recruiters/screeners make it clear as to avoid any confusion. These decisions are typically filtered through counsel because lawyers need to get paid too. Then the free market can decide and the business can adjust, if necessary.[/QUOTE]

You obviously didn’t read my response correctly, and did not quote it in it’s entirety. Employers can ask, but they can also find themselves on the wrong end of a lawsuit if they don’t play their cards right. Also person is under no obligation to provide them the info.

[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1640956373]Do you really think it is unrealistic?

Have you ever come across a deer or animal
With Prion disease/zombie disease?

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/zombie-deer-disease-spreading-us/story%3fid=61107970[/url]

[url]https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2015/06/researchers-make-surprising-discovery-about-spread-of-chronic-wasting-disease/[/url]

Prion disease CAN happen in humans, correct?

I did not think the CDC was in the business of being jokesters..[/QUOTE]

Dude, this has been around for a long time. I hunt and process my own game. Anytime you are processesing any wild game you should use caution. There are a variety of potential pathogens present. Typically, those types of diseases are associated with brain and spinal fluid (CNS tissues). Don’t eat raw deer brains or try to pierce yourself with a dripping fresh vertebrae and you should be okay on zombie deer illnesss. Also not a great idea to process game yourself unless you know what you’re doing.

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1640908223]I have none but I do try and keep up with the laws while on sabbatical. ;)[/QUOTE]

Aren't you still an undergrad? You don't get sabbatical until PhD. lol

[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1640956373]Do you really think it is unrealistic?

Have you ever come across a deer or animal
With Prion disease/zombie disease?

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/zombie-deer-disease-spreading-us/story%3fid=61107970[/url]

[url]https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2015/06/researchers-make-surprising-discovery-about-spread-of-chronic-wasting-disease/[/url]

Prion disease CAN happen in humans, correct?

I did not think the CDC was in the business of being jokesters..[/QUOTE]

Oh hell…

This is UK, not US, but maybe this is a barometer of the future

In England and Wales, the law is passing through that workers in residential care must be vaccinated to work there. Docs here are already required to have hep B vaccination so this isn't breaking new ground, rather than a step further down an existing path

Not sure when the law comes into force, or whether there is a legal clause for people who shouldn't be vaccinated on medical grounds (specific allergy or previous serious reaction for example)

Presumably other healthcare workers to follow in further legislation?

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1640976543]This is UK, not US, but maybe this is a barometer of the future

In England and Wales, the law is passing through that workers in residential care must be vaccinated to work there. Docs here are already required to have hep B vaccination so this isn't breaking new ground, rather than a step further down an existing path

Not sure when the law comes into force, or whether there is a legal clause for people who shouldn't be vaccinated on medical grounds (specific allergy or previous serious reaction for example)

Presumably other healthcare workers to follow in further legislation?[/QUOTE]

A long anticipated “temporary emergency safety regulation” which was recently released by the Department of Labor will only apply to medical workers. I’m not sure what is more ridiculous, that they are releasing a mandatory compliance standard for “protecting” workers at this stage of the game or the fact that it only applies to medical workers. Must be more of dat der science. I’m thrilled it’s not the draconian package that Cal-OSHA put together to basically destroy any business they want, but it’s still pretty silly to create a mandatory compliance safety standard specific for covid when it’s basically over and when it would have been effective in reducing fatalities (patients more than staff) more than a year ago. The entire reg was already made from various flu pandemic scares that never panned out over the years. Just when you thought government couldn’t get more incompetent, they double down on the effort.

[QUOTE=illriginalized;1640948613]Your employer doesn’t have a legal right to ask about your religion.[/QUOTE]

This is false.

[QUOTE=eomrat;1640982373]This is false.[/QUOTE]

How?

Can an employer ask about your sexual preferences?

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1640965833]You obviously didn’t read my response correctly, and did not quote it in it’s entirety. Employers can ask, but they can also find themselves on the wrong end of a lawsuit if they don’t play their cards right. Also person is under no obligation to provide them the info.[/QUOTE]

No, I quoted your entire post just split and addressed it by splitting the main ideas up. I feel like I read it correctly, maybe I misunderstood, IDK I'm kinda retarded.

As it stands they CAN ask if you've been vaccinated w/o violating ADA or HIPAA. Not sure what the argument is, Tim.

What does "playing their cards right" even mean? If you're going to make your argument based on other variables you can shift any scenario to fit your argument. As the law stands RIGHT NOW asking if one has been vaccinated isn't a violation.

You're right there is no obligation to answer and the employer has no obligation to offer or continue employment. Again what's your argument here, srs?

[QUOTE=Bando;1640971063]Aren't you still an undergrad? You don't get sabbatical until PhD. lol[/QUOTE]

I stopped 1/2 through my Masters so yes just an undergrad. I play by my own rules :D

[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1640982663]How?[/QUOTE]

How is it false?

Well, it is a statement not according with truth or fact; incorrect.

[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1640982663]Can an employer ask about your sexual preferences?[/QUOTE]

You are aware that sexual preference and religion are not the same?

[QUOTE=eomrat;1640983493]How is it false?

Well, it is a statement not according with truth or fact; incorrect.



You are aware that sexual preference and religion are not the same?[/QUOTE]

What if my religion dictates my sexual preference?

[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1640982663]How?

Can an employer ask about your sexual preferences?[/QUOTE]

Like many things its not as simple as "Yes' or "No".

There are exceptions. If its not job related its an issue. If you're applying at a religious organization they are exempt from the Federal Law and can certainly ask and hire based on an applicants religion.

When in doubt (in the US) check with the EEOC.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1640983633]What if my religion dictates my sexual preference?[/QUOTE]

What religion does that?

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1640983863]Like many things its not as simple as "Yes' or "No".

There are exceptions. If its not job related its an issue. [/QUOTE]

The primary time it is a violation of EEOC laws or regulations is during the hiring process. And, even then, there are times when it is acceptable.
It has to be, otherwise an employer would not be able to offer "reasonable accommodations" for religious beliefs.

[QUOTE=eomrat;1640984243]
The primary time it is a violation of EEOC laws or regulations is during the hiring process. And, even then, there are times when it is acceptable.
It has to be, otherwise an employer would not be able to offer "reasonable accommodations" for religious beliefs.[/QUOTE]

Yup, well said. I would not ask about religion*, personally, but I would ask if there were any accommodations needed in order to fulfill the job duties and let that information come from the employee. That way there are no issues.

*Unless I worked for an organization that only wants certain religions and is exempt, of course.

My employer might make it mandatory to get the vaccine if it becomes FDA approved. I'll cite my concerns about the lack of trust I have in the FDA, but will likely have to use the religion out. If neither of those work, I'll be moving to Texas I think. Sucks cuz I just refinanced into 2.25% rate.

Boycott big global business, they are not needed.

Eat, sleep and train local!

Let them defund police too, it’s the best way to defend ones self and legally kill a communist, besides police will become the modern nazi soldier at some point, many are right now anyway.

[QUOTE=7Seconds;1640949073]It’s been a thing for years, and the guide itself is purposely (and obviously) written with humorous and tongue in cheek language. The CDC is using humor through irony to point out how important it is to plan for every eventuality using a popular but highly unrealistic horror trope.[/QUOTE]

7Seconds, you said Biden was not stupid? I guess you are missing his talking points right now on his meeting with Putin, the man is a fuking fool, his response to Putin on the cyber attacks are fuking retarded, wow dude, no stupid? Really? You sad if you think not.........

[QUOTE=LWW;1641000413]Boycott big global business, they are not needed.

Eat, sleep and train local!

Let them defund police too, it’s the best way to defend ones self and legally kill a communist, besides police will become the modern nazi soldier at some point, many are right now anyway.[/QUOTE]

As you post this from your Android/Apple device using Verizon/T-Mobile.

Good work boycotting :)

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1640983353]No, I quoted your entire post just split and addressed it by splitting the main ideas up. I feel like I read it correctly, maybe I misunderstood, IDK I'm kinda retarded.

As it stands they CAN ask if you've been vaccinated w/o violating ADA or HIPAA. Not sure what the argument is, Tim.

What does "playing their cards right" even mean? If you're going to make your argument based on other variables you can shift any scenario to fit your argument. As the law stands RIGHT NOW asking if one has been vaccinated isn't a violation.

You're right there is no obligation to answer and the employer has no obligation to offer or continue employment. Again what's your argument here, srs?

I stopped 1/2 through my Masters so yes just an undergrad. I play by my own rules :D[/QUOTE]

I agree there is no issue asking employees, and they can volunteer that information if they so choose, but are not required to provide the information. It would be a HIPPA violation for your primary care physician to relay that info to an employer w/out your consent. The problem employers will face, is if someone was not eligible for vaccination due to a health issue allergic for example or even pregnancy if that is still in the "not recommended" list, and was terminated for not being vaccinated. Now the company has just terminated someone for a minor health issue that could have been easily "accommodated" (maybe?). I've already been involved in several ADA matters in regard to covid that might end up in litigation, its a fuking mine field right now. Very unpleasant. I've had many conversations and attended many meetings with expert legal counsel on the subject and they can't even agree on this $hit :D

[QUOTE=LWW;1641000413]Boycott big global business, they are not needed.

Eat, sleep and train local!

Let them defund police too, it’s the best way to defend ones self and legally kill a communist, besides police will become the modern nazi soldier at some point, many are right now anyway.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LWW;1641004453]7Seconds, you said Biden was not stupid? I guess you are missing his talking points right now on his meeting with Putin, the man is a fuking fool, his response to Putin on the cyber attacks are fuking retarded, wow dude, no stupid? Really? You sad if you think not.........[/QUOTE]


Sounding a little hostile towards the president there Tater. You getting enough Fibre?

Conspiracy time - imagine this was purposely released to lower the population numbers and to become beta testing lab rats for their new vaccine technology.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1641013863]Sounding a little hostile towards the president there Tater. You getting enough Fibre?[/QUOTE]

"Tater" doesn't need more fiber, like most of us on this site, he's putting out plenty of BS already.

Our 78 year old president's staff on the other hand should definitely be working hard to maintain a high fiber diet! And that applies to his entire staff, not just the culinary team. Good BS'ing skills are critical for any modern president.

Think about it. Regan and Clinton were among the greats when it came to BS. They had conviction, charisma, and could think on their feet. GW Bush and Obama weren't even close, but their handicaps were on the opposite ends of the spectrum. Bush wasn't clever, and Obama was preachy. Trump was truly awful. He couldn't comprehend when what he was hearing was BS, and because of that he didn't seem to understand when he was trying to sell BS. It was pretty sad.

Biden is also very weak. Not stupid, but far from brilliant. On the plus side, he's not nearly as psychologically handicapped as Trump. I think in many ways he's similar to G.W.Bush.

[QUOTE=LWW;1641004453]... his response to Putin on the cyber attacks are fuking retarded, wow dude, no stupid? Really? You sad if you think not.........[/QUOTE] I'm not a US citizen so leave it up to you guys who you pick as your president, but it is true he's appearing weak in front of Putin

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1641012513]I agree there is no issue asking employees, and they can volunteer that information if they so choose, but are not required to provide the information. It would be a HIPPA violation for your primary care physician to relay that info to an employer w/out your consent. The problem employers will face, is if someone was not eligible for vaccination due to a health issue allergic for example or even pregnancy if that is still in the "not recommended" list, and was terminated for not being vaccinated. Now the company has just terminated someone for a minor health issue that could have been easily "accommodated" (maybe?). I've already been involved in several ADA matters in regard to covid that might end up in litigation, its a fuking mine field right now. Very unpleasant. I've had many conversations and attended many meetings with expert legal counsel on the subject and they can't even agree on this $hit :D[/QUOTE]

Oh I bet. I've been keeping up on the subject and read what I can when SHRM sends out their info. Was thinking of getting back to work in September but will likely hold off for a while longer :D

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1641025363]Oh I bet. I've been keeping up on the subject and read what I can when SHRM sends out their info. Was thinking of getting back to work in September but will likely hold off for a while longer :D[/QUOTE]

I’ve been to few SHRM conferences, HR matters are not my primary job function but they are always closely connected. Always learn new stuff at them. Yeah I’d wait lol it’s a mess. Our HR people are out of their minds, they have it worse than me. At least I had bull$hit “guidance” to follow. The strictly HR side is like the Wild West right now, everyone is just burnt out. People abusing stuff, making excuses to not come back to office settings etc. Hard to force them, god forbid one of them comes back and ends up being a covid death, although that chance is pretty slim for working age people, it does happen.

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1641006693]As you post this from your Android/Apple device using Verizon/T-Mobile.

Good work boycotting :)[/QUOTE]

my device is from 2014. I don't keep up on newer versions.

Also I don't support the cloud BS, I would host any server on my own, in fact I'm all for building my own Internet empire, I'm very IT savy too.

fuk Google, fuk AWS!!!! I block most AWS thit anyway, they are in bed with Chyna.

Those who believe they need these clowns are clowns themselves!

And before you say I use youtube for my training vids, that is only temporary, youtube used to cool, Ill even take my vids down at some point sooner than later.

Oh yeah, and I use Linux too, no problem, I don't still believe in free products so I use Fedora RedHat Operating System commercial.

[QUOTE=LWW;1641034283]my device is from 2014. I don't keep up on newer versions.

Also I don't support the cloud BS, I would host any server on my own, in fact I'm all for building my own Internet empire, I'm very IT savy too.

fuk Google, fuk AWS!!!! I block most AWS thit anyway, they are in bed with Chyna.

Those who believe they need these clowns are clowns themselves!

And before you say I use youtube for my training vids, that is only temporary, youtube used to cool, Ill even take my vids down at some point sooner than later.

Oh yeah, and I use Linux too, no problem, I don't still believe in free products so I use Fedora RedHat Operating System commercial.[/QUOTE]

Have fun living that way. Me, I like the convenience.

I own a few vehicles - 2 from the 70's, a 2010, and my current daily - a 2019 F150 which is basically a Raptor but not badged. I love taking my 70's cars out - very fun for short drives and to cruise- easy to maintain. The 2010 will be my daily next year but it's a Honda Element and doesn't have much tech at all besides sat radio. My 2019 parks itself. While its fun to relive the past I'm always reminded how awesome my F150 is after driving one of the other cars. I sure as shti would pick the F150 for any road trips.

The point being big tech doesn't bother me. If they want my info to sell me more awesome products IDGAF. I've made more money in 18 months using my IPhone than my first years salary at my first job working fulltime. In the 90's if you told the kid me what it would be like today I'd say [I]sign me up[/I]. I'll wear that sell out badge proudly.

But you do you :)

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1641055933]Have fun living that way. Me, I like the convenience.

I own a few vehicles - 2 from the 70's, a 2010, and my current daily - a 2019 F150 which is basically a Raptor but not badged. I love taking my 70's cars out - very fun for short drives and to cruise- easy to maintain. The 2010 will be my daily next year but it's a Honda Element and doesn't have much tech at all besides sat radio. My 2019 parks itself. While its fun to relive the past I'm always reminded how awesome my F150 is after driving one of the other cars. I sure as shti would pick the F150 for any road trips.

The point being big tech doesn't bother me. If they want my info to sell me more awesome products IDGAF. I've made more money in 18 months using my IPhone than my first years salary at my first job working fulltime. In the 90's if you told the kid me what it would be like today I'd say [I]sign me up[/I]. I'll wear that sell out badge proudly.

But you do you :)[/QUOTE]

You don’t get it. Google isn’t the Only search engine plus they and any search engine manipulates the algorithm to suit them not you,in the end, you loose out on real information.

I have an old Vista system, all it needs is new hard drive and memory, easy enough, I don’t need Googles bs manipulated bs.

I think I am going to look for another job.

Part of an email I received from my job this morning

"After careful consideration, we have decided that we are going to stick with our original decision that the MSG family of companies will be a vaccinated-only employer. Given the nature of our business and the change in the Governor’s regulations, there may be unvaccinated guests in our venues. We believe the safest course of action for all employees is to be vaccinated. Furthermore, given how easily and rapidly COVID-19 can spread, we are concerned about maintaining our staffing levels and schedules with unvaccinated employees. Lastly, we do not plan to continue our MSG testing program after August, so in order to provide the safest possible experience, vaccinations will be required. If you have not yet gotten the vaccine, please remember that you must have at least one does of your vaccine by July 12 and that your documentation needs to be uploaded into our employee vaccine portal. If you have a medical concern or a sincerely held religious belief that impacts your ability to be vaccinated, please contact your People Practices partner to discuss our process for requesting a potential accommodation"

[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1641071153]I think I am going to look for another job.

Part of an email I received from my job this morning

"After careful consideration, we have decided that we are going to stick with our original decision that the MSG family of companies will be a vaccinated-only employer. Given the nature of our business and the change in the Governor’s regulations, there may be unvaccinated guests in our venues. We believe the safest course of action for all employees is to be vaccinated. Furthermore, given how easily and rapidly COVID-19 can spread, we are concerned about maintaining our staffing levels and schedules with unvaccinated employees. Lastly, we do not plan to continue our MSG testing program after August, so in order to provide the safest possible experience, vaccinations will be required. If you have not yet gotten the vaccine, please remember that you must have at least one does of your vaccine by July 12 and that your documentation needs to be uploaded into our employee vaccine portal. If you have a medical concern or a sincerely held religious belief that impacts your ability to be vaccinated, please contact your People Practices partner to discuss our process for requesting a potential accommodation"[/QUOTE]

did you see this?
it ain't over!
[url]www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9697115/Bidens-former-coronavirus-adviser-says-Indian-Delta-variant-like-Covid-steroids.html[/url]

[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1641071153]I think I am going to look for another job.

Part of an email I received from my job this morning

"After careful consideration, we have decided that we are going to stick with our original decision that the MSG family of companies will be a vaccinated-only employer. Given the nature of our business and the change in the Governor’s regulations, there may be unvaccinated guests in our venues. We believe the safest course of action for all employees is to be vaccinated. Furthermore, given how easily and rapidly COVID-19 can spread, we are concerned about maintaining our staffing levels and schedules with unvaccinated employees. Lastly, we do not plan to continue our MSG testing program after August, so in order to provide the safest possible experience, vaccinations will be required. If you have not yet gotten the vaccine, please remember that you must have at least one does of your vaccine by July 12 and that your documentation needs to be uploaded into our employee vaccine portal. If you have a medical concern or a sincerely held religious belief that impacts your ability to be vaccinated, please contact your People Practices partner to discuss our process for requesting a potential accommodation"[/QUOTE]

Just use the religion excuse. That's my plan. Let me know how it pans out.

[url]https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/religious-objections-to-mandated-covid-3391001/[/url]

Here's another good article. Cliffs: chances are employers will have to accommodate your request to not vaccinate based on religion under Title VII [url]https://theconversation.com/can-an-employee-object-to-mandatory-covid-19-vaccines-on-religious-grounds-153058[/url]

[QUOTE=_zman;1641073633]Just use the religion excuse. That's my plan. Let me know how it plans out.[/QUOTE]

It looks like I am running out options and i will have to to succumb to big government. And even f I were to go on the ground of religious rights, I feel they would make my life miserable or ostracized me. Serious.

Those who have vaccinated, what's the safest vaccine to take or with the least side effects? Maybe the one that won't turned me gay..