Printable View
[QUOTE=LWW;1624868411]But it’s not selfish to open a gym during this pandemic to allow and show people how to take personal responsibility of thier health. Imo closing the gym is selfish and acts of panic are imo selfish.[/QUOTE]
Wear your mask then, be a part of the solution instead of the problem. It's not going to get any better until the spread slows..
[QUOTE=BiomedDood;1624423641]Are u for real? I never bought Politics into the thread so why are you? This is the reason why USA is in this ****hole cos Covid has become an political affair with nayslayers.
I work in this field and here's a FACT.
SAR virus does not care about how much you squat or bench cos it's a foreign object for the body. When u get exposed, it's up to your immune system as to whether it will reject it or the virus will start metabolizing.
Are you one of those people living in mid West and think face masks violates your civil rights?
I've seen lean people in their 30s on RT machines (got better later but that's not the point). Lifting 300 lbs weights does not enhance your immune system. Your "bull" strength is totally irrelevant to Covid-19 and this is a fact.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://health.usnews.com/wellness/fitness/articles/strategies-for-strengthening-your-immune-system-with-exercise[/url]
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1624870241]Wear your mask then, be a part of the solution instead of the problem. It's not going to get any better until the spread slows..[/QUOTE]
I do wear a face cover even though I don’t agree with it. I typically don’t cover my nose, so I no longer let it slid down anymore.
I don’t and never will wear one outside though, or during a set in a gym.
I won’t get a vaccine.
[QUOTE=LWW;1624875781]I do wear a face cover even though I don’t agree with it. I typically don’t cover my nose, so I no longer let it slid down anymore.
I don’t and never will wear one outside though, or during a set in a gym.
I won’t get a vaccine.[/QUOTE]
Cover the snot locker. It's important.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/V9nYb8B.png?1[/img]
What if you need proof of vaccination to get in the gym?
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1624877891]Cover the snot locker. It's important.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/V9nYb8B.png?1[/img]
What if you need proof of vaccination to get in the gym?[/QUOTE]
Nope, I’m not covering the nose.
I don’t go to one of those gyms that would enforce such a thing. That’s s special gym and before I went there I trained at home.
UK regulators say people with a history of serious allergic reactions shouldn’t get Pfizer’s COVID-19 shot
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/uk-regulators-say-people-with-a-history-of-serious-allergic-reactions-shouldnt-get-pfizers-covid-19-shot/2020/12/09/4487d0b0-3a0e-11eb-aad9-8959227280c4_story.html[/url]
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1624953191]UK regulators say people with a history of serious allergic reactions shouldn’t get Pfizer’s COVID-19 shot
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/uk-regulators-say-people-with-a-history-of-serious-allergic-reactions-shouldnt-get-pfizers-covid-19-shot/2020/12/09/4487d0b0-3a0e-11eb-aad9-8959227280c4_story.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Here in the UK the public vaccination program began yesterday, first to be vaccinated was a 90 year old woman.
My old weightlifting coach died on Monday, his son told me he was still lifting until he caught the virus, he was 81. On a more worrying note, a guy I used to coach when he was a junior lifter, caught covid in May, he went on to develop serous pulmonary issues and then a DVT in one of his legs, apparently this is not uncommon in covid patients.
His long term prognosis is not good, medics predict that he will never be able to lift competitively again, he's 32 and has competed at a high level, 7 months after developing covid he struggles to walk to the end of the street.
[QUOTE=gym62richard;1624956211]Here in the UK the public vaccination program began yesterday, first to be vaccinated was a 90 year old woman.
My old weightlifting coach died on Monday, his son told me he was still lifting until he caught the virus, he was 81. On a more worrying note, a guy I used to coach when he was a junior lifter, caught covid in May, he went on to develop serous pulmonary issues and then a DVT in one of his legs, apparently this is not uncommon in covid patients.
His long term prognosis is not good, medics predict that he will never be able to lift competitively again, he's 32 and has competed at a high level, 7 months after developing covid he struggles to walk to the end of the street.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to hear Richard.
As above, those with serious previous reactions should not have the vaccination, but hopefully 1) the vaccination works and 2) enough people get it to seriously reduce the spread throughout the population.
I had my first inpatient on my unit test positive last night (psych ward) - really challenging! Have to keep it from spreading to the other patients. Had quite a few staff over the past months, but no patients until now.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/Udio9c3.jpg?1[/img]
[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1624975221]Sorry to hear Richard.
As above, those with serious previous reactions should not have the vaccination, but hopefully 1) the vaccination works and 2) enough people get it to seriously reduce the spread throughout the population.
I had my first inpatient on my unit test positive last night (psych ward) - really challenging! Have to keep it from spreading to the other patients. Had quite a few staff over the past months, but no patients until now.[/QUOTE]
I hope the vaccine is a success. Inevitably as with most vaccines there's the potential risk that the vaccine may cause an allergic reaction, of the initial people receiving the vaccine 2 medical workers experienced an allergic reaction, both had a history of anaphylactic problems, thankfully the symptoms were mild and both have now fully recovered.
It's tough on health care workers, in my area 10% of medical staff are currently on sick leave and covid is a real problem amongst staff and patients in the hospital environment.
[youtube]HWWvk9DdD2Y[/youtube]
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1625005153][img]https://i.imgur.com/Udio9c3.jpg?1[/img][/QUOTE]
Funnily enough.. although the queen, to the best of my knowledge has never done anything of that nature, her sister Princess Margaret *did* get caught up in several photo/film incidents. If you watch the excellent film (staring Jason Statham) "The Bank Job", there's a pretty direct reference to one of these as key part of the plot, although even to this day a lot of detail can't be published ;)
Richard. Sorry to hear about your coach.
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1625793383]Richard. Sorry to hear about your coach.[/QUOTE]
Thank's, Jim was responsible for getting me into weightlifting back in the mid 70's. He'd been selected to represent Wales in the 1970 Commonwealth games, but a few weeks before the games in Edinburgh he damaged his ankle ligaments in training and never competed again.
He turned his attention to coaching and had a good track record of bringing through young lifters. Jim was still coaching up until a few years ago.
Some people have been having a bad reaction around the area of the injection.. Looks like permanent damage and they may be scarred for life.
(WARNING VERY GRAPHIC)
[spoiler][img]https://i.imgur.com/og9ENCb.jpg?1[/img][/spoiler]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ZmLXgCR.jpg?1[/img]
This was copied from a blog post from Professor Scott Galloway:
[i]While it is true that these vaccines have been developed in record time, they are hardly untested. The Pfizer vaccine, the first to be approved by the FDA, was tested on 18,198 people; the Moderna vaccine was tested on 15,200 people. Around half of the recipients reported fatigue or chills, and one in seven reported a 24-hour fever. No serious side effects were identified in any recipient, and recipients who felt ill nonetheless said they were glad to have gotten the vaccine. Vaccines are one of humanity’s greatest accomplishments, and they are incredibly safe. Fun fact: you are far more likely to be killed by a dog than by a vaccine. Thanks to vaccines, diseases like measles and smallpox, which once killed hundreds of thousands of Americans per year, are rare or unheard of today.[/i]
[QUOTE=Zjunky;1624413181]Personally, I'm low priority. But as soon as it's my turn, absolutely.
While I am relatively healthy, why push the issue when a vaccine is available? [b]On top of that, my mom is pushing 80 and a cancer survivor and my sister has an immune disorder which makes her especially vulnerable. The last thing I want to do is to be a carrier and give it to one or both of them.[b][/QUOTE]YOU taking the vaccine does NOTHING to protect your mom or sister. Look it up.
If you take the Covid vaccine:
- you still have to wear a mask
- you still have to socially distance
- you still have to avoid travel
- you have to top up 1-2 times per year
- [b]and you may still be able to spread the virus asymptomatically[/b]
[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1624975221]d 2) enough people get it to seriously reduce the spread throughout the population.
[/QUOTE]Wrong thought process. The vaccine does NOT stop you from getting the virus, but negates the effects ON YOU, and ONLY YOU. You can still 'have' Covid and SPREAD it.
If you take the Covid vaccine:
- you still have to wear a mask
- you still have to socially distance
- you still have to avoid travel
- you have to top up 1-2 times per year
- [b]and you may still be able to spread the virus asymptomatically[/b]
[QUOTE=CommitmentRulz;1625973653]Wrong thought process. The vaccine does NOT stop you from getting the virus, but negates the effects ON YOU, and ONLY YOU. You can still 'have' Covid and SPREAD it.
If you take the Covid vaccine:
- you still have to wear a mask
- you still have to socially distance
- you still have to avoid travel
- you have to top up 1-2 times per year
- [b]and you may still be able to spread the virus asymptomatically[/b][/QUOTE]
The way vaccines "get rid" of diseases is by reducing their growth factor.
Just as an example, if a person on average spreads a virus to 2 other people, you can model its spread with 2n. If 100 people start off infected that looks like 100->200->400->800->1600->3200->6400... with each infection cycle.
If everyone has a vaccine that's say 75% effective then the same virus as above will spread to 0.5 people on average, which would give you 0.5n so 100->50->25->13->6->3->2->1->0. Even though 25% of people are vulnerable, that's not enough to sustain the virus.
The effectiveness of most vaccines really relies on the vast majority of people you interact with being vaccinated.
ETA: Definitely don’t agree with government forced vaccinations however if enough businesses, schools, etc. require it then the end result is that it becomes effectively mandatory for most people who want to participate in society.
ETA2: After reading your post again (sorry, it’s been a bit of a whiskey night) you are right in that the trials did not look at transmission. And if the vaccine does not prevent you from contracting the virus ( the difference between infection and disease), it stands to reason that if you were to get the virus, you could still be infectious and can spread it. So yes, vaccinated individuals would need to continue to wear masks and social distance to avoid further spread to populations with whom the vaccine has not yet reached or is not effective for until enough people get vaccinated or we confirm that it stops transmission.
[QUOTE=CommitmentRulz;1625973653]Wrong thought process. The vaccine does NOT stop you from getting the virus, but negates the effects ON YOU, and ONLY YOU. You can still 'have' Covid and SPREAD it.
If you take the Covid vaccine:
- you still have to wear a mask
- you still have to socially distance
- you still have to avoid travel
- you have to top up 1-2 times per year
- [b]and you may still be able to spread the virus asymptomatically[/b][/QUOTE]
This is exactly how the fuking government wants it, mutherFukers!!!!!!
until you fuking punks show some fuking ballz, you all (and me too) are FUKED!!!!!!!!!!!!
This fuking virus does not spread by local business bars and restaurants, yeah, fuking ******* Air Force Guy wants to think that, because that fuking twearp has a little pig mind!!!!!!!!
Fuk NO!!!! this chit spreads by staying at home, and keeping Muther fukers at your home!!!!, FUK U, IF U DON't THINK, BUT I'VE SEEN IT, I'VE SEEEN IT, FUK MT POCKETS, FUK THAT GUY, FUKKKKK HIMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!! HE could be a FUKING SPY for all we now with his BS?????????????
TRUST ME, the real AMERICAN, shop and go to bars, this thing does NOT spread like flu, yu gotta be very close for HOURS, IVE SEEN IT!!!!!!!!
Don't lose your American freedom, MARKET FREEDOM for this!!!!!!
In 100 years you will thank ME!!!! Not the fuking governors!!!!
[img]https://i.imgur.com/OPgSCLG.jpg?1[/img]
[QUOTE=Payton1221;1625972243]This was copied from a blog post from Professor Scott Galloway:
[i]While it is true that these vaccines have been developed in record time, they are hardly untested. The Pfizer vaccine, the first to be approved by the FDA, was tested on 18,198 people; the Moderna vaccine was tested on 15,200 people. Around half of the recipients reported fatigue or chills, and one in seven reported a 24-hour fever. No serious side effects were identified in any recipient, and recipients who felt ill nonetheless said they were glad to have gotten the vaccine. Vaccines are one of humanity’s greatest accomplishments, and they are incredibly safe. Fun fact: you are far more likely to be killed by a dog than by a vaccine. Thanks to vaccines, diseases like measles and smallpox, which once killed hundreds of thousands of Americans per year, are rare or unheard of today.[/i][/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone here is saying it's untested. But I do have several friends in the medical business and have followed their many year tribulations to get their stuff through the FDA, so when I see something go through in a few weeks I can't help but wonder a few things.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/WAhyfR2.jpg?1[/img]
I have been feeling fine since my Shot, they told me to put my feet up and relax
[spoiler][img]https://i.imgur.com/PFs9wv6.jpg?1[/img][/spoiler]
The Rock famous hip sack pic with Michelle's face, aww dam.
[QUOTE=CommitmentRulz;1625973653]Wrong thought process. The vaccine does NOT stop you from getting the virus, but negates the effects ON YOU, and ONLY YOU. You can still 'have' Covid and SPREAD it.
If you take the Covid vaccine:
- you still have to wear a mask
- you still have to socially distance
- you still have to avoid travel
- you have to top up 1-2 times per year
- [b]and you may still be able to spread the virus asymptomatically[/b][/QUOTE]
I missed this one. Commitment is correct. And incorrect.
I guess I've written it enough times to say once more: MITIGATION is the name of the game... none work perfectly.
The vaccine won't be perfect either... but generally speaking it will prevent you from getting sick even if you are exposed (that's the whole point) - and if you don't get sick then you will be LESS likely to spread (your viral load will be much less etc). So yes Commitment... the whole point of the vaccine - as with all vaccines - is to reduce illness in the recipient. BUT it DOES reduce spread significantly as well (if it works as intended which remains to be seen).
I'm getting my vaccine today.
My wife and pregnant 25 y.o. daughter are both RNs, and both have received the first of two vaccines. My daughter's doctor (OBGYN I guess) indicated that they've determined pregnant women can (should?) get vaccinated.
[QUOTE=Payton1221;1627548513]My wife and pregnant 25 y.o. daughter are both RNs, and both have received the first of two vaccines. My daughter's doctor (OBGYN I guess) indicated that they've determined pregnant women can (should?) get vaccinated.[/QUOTE]
Interesting.
I'd be VERY careful getting it if pregnant. One thing in this very truncated process that has not been tested fully is the effects on neonatal environment. I get wanting to protect pregnant moms, but Just NO. The risks to vulnerable babies in vitro are much greater than adults etc.
Got mine yesterday as I mentioned above.
Personally zero symptoms - less than I usually have with flu vaccine. ymmv.
[QUOTE=LWW;1625986153]This is exactly how the fuking government wants it, mutherFukers!!!!!!
until you fuking punks show some fuking ballz, you all (and me too) are FUKED!!!!!!!!!!!!
This fuking virus does not spread by local business bars and restaurants, yeah, fuking ******* Air Force Guy wants to think that, because that fuking twearp has a little pig mind!!!!!!!!
Fuk NO!!!! this chit spreads by staying at home, and keeping Muther fukers at your home!!!!, FUK U, IF U DON't THINK, BUT I'VE SEEN IT, I'VE SEEEN IT, FUK MT POCKETS, FUK THAT GUY, FUKKKKK HIMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!! HE could be a FUKING SPY for all we now with his BS?????????????
TRUST ME, the real AMERICAN, shop and go to bars, this thing does NOT spread like flu, yu gotta be very close for HOURS, IVE SEEN IT!!!!!!!!
Don't lose your American freedom, MARKET FREEDOM for this!!!!!!
In 100 years you will thank ME!!!! Not the fuking governors!!!![/QUOTE]
LMFAO You can't help but to like this guy! :D :D
Just as an FYI though LWW, none of us will be alive in 100 years, just saying...
[img]https://i.imgur.com/qW1eiS5.jpg[/img]
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/post-infection-coronavirus-immunity-usually-robust-after-8-months-study-shows/2021/01/07/d7d369a6-511a-11eb-b96e-0e54447b23a1_story.html[/url]
Finally starting to publish some post infection immunity data. This isn't the actual study, but gets the point across. My guess is immunity will be decades provided the virus doesn't mutate significantly (which it hasn't done so far).
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1627883743][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/post-infection-coronavirus-immunity-usually-robust-after-8-months-study-shows/2021/01/07/d7d369a6-511a-11eb-b96e-0e54447b23a1_story.html[/url]
Finally starting to publish some post infection immunity data. This isn't the actual study, but gets the point across. My guess is immunity will be decades provided the virus doesn't mutate significantly (which it hasn't done so far).[/QUOTE]
That is encouraging Plateau, thanks for sharing!
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1627883743][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/post-infection-coronavirus-immunity-usually-robust-after-8-months-study-shows/2021/01/07/d7d369a6-511a-11eb-b96e-0e54447b23a1_story.html[/url]
Finally starting to publish some post infection immunity data. This isn't the actual study, but gets the point across. My guess is immunity will be decades provided the virus doesn't mutate significantly (which it hasn't done so far).[/QUOTE]
Thanks brother
[img]https://i.imgur.com/VFrOpec.jpg?1[/img]
My wife feels sicker today after getting the vaccine yesterday than she did when she had COVID. Not instilling any confidence in me as far as getting it.
When she had COVID she just had sinus headaches for a few days and congestion for a few days after that. She still had plenty of energy the whole time.
Now she's completely wiped out today. Doesn't even want to get off the couch.
Can’t wait for vaccine so my kids can go back to school, as their mental health is deteriorating.
[QUOTE=lotusdeva;1627969413]Can’t wait for vaccine so my kids can go back to school, as their mental health is deteriorating.[/QUOTE]
As a mother, wouldn't we expect that YOUR mental health is deteriorating? :)
[QUOTE=Oceanside;1627967723]why would she get the vaccine if she's already had it ?[/QUOTE]
Same reason people drive around in vehicles by themselves wearing a mask & gloves, because they listened to some @sshole on tv tell them to be paranoid.
[QUOTE=Corbi;1627985073]Same reason people drive around in vehicles by themselves wearing a mask & gloves, because they listened to some @sshole on tv tell them to be paranoid.[/QUOTE]
Or they like driving around wearing a mask and gloves. We know Michael Jackson didn't drive, but if he did, I bet he'd be wearing a mask and gloves while driving, and he was the King of Pop, ffs.
All's I'm saying is there's no such thing as being too paranoid.
[QUOTE=Oceanside;1627987373]and ya know what the truly sad part is greg ?
it's gonna take years of training for these idiots to not wear masks in urban areas from this point on ![/QUOTE]
I love it when they have the gloves on & are touching everything including their damn face which completely negates anything and everything they may have been doing.
[QUOTE=Oceanside;1627967723]why would she get the vaccine if she's already had it ?[/QUOTE]
Cause she works in a prison and they pretty much said she had to. She didn't want to get it. She's never been too concerned about getting sick and even after she did get the virus was like "that's it?"
But then the vaccines showed up at the prison this week and the state basically bullied everyone into getting it
[QUOTE=xTeTe;1627995323]Cause she works in a prison and they pretty much said she had to. She didn't want to get it. She's never been too concerned about getting sick and even after she did get the virus was like "that's it?"
But then the vaccines showed up at the prison this week and the state basically bullied everyone into getting it[/QUOTE]
I’ts hit or miss on vaccine reactions (fatigue etc). I’ve heard there is a lot of peer pressure from some people in the medical fields. I don’t think anyone is “mandating” it yet. There is no precedent for mandating an emergency authorization vaccine and it would be a pretty risky thing to do in terms of liability. That doesn’t stop vocal coworkers from pressuring others to get the shot.
I love that inmates come before teachers, and essential workers that keep the drinking water safe and the lights and gas on. That seems like a brilliant plan. They need to just do it like the testing with the drive through vaccinations. Over 60 here’s the locations - drive up, get your shot, wait 20-30 minutes for potential acute reaction and leave (then do it again in a few weeks).
I read somewhere there are now studies showing that 1/2 the dose of the moderna vax is just as effective as the full dose at least for the initial dose. If that gains acceptance it could really increase the numbers of people who can get it sooner if they want it.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1628002943]I’ts hit or miss on vaccine reactions (fatigue etc). I’ve heard there is a lot of peer pressure from some people in the medical fields. I don’t think anyone is “mandating” it yet. There is no precedent for mandating an emergency authorization vaccine and it would be a pretty risky thing to do in terms of liability. That doesn’t stop vocal coworkers from pressuring others to get the shot.
I love that inmates come before teachers, and essential workers that keep the drinking water safe and the lights and gas on. That seems like a brilliant plan. They need to just do it like the testing with the drive through vaccinations. Over 60 here’s the locations - drive up, get your shot, wait 20-30 minutes for potential acute reaction and leave (then do it again in a few weeks).
I read somewhere there are now studies showing that 1/2 the dose of the moderna vax is just as effective as the full dose at least for the initial dose. If that gains acceptance it could really increase the numbers of people who can get it sooner if they want it.[/QUOTE]
Great post as usual. I can understand Correctional staff getting the vaccine, I can't wrap my head around any, ****phile, murder, rapist etc,, getting a shot over any law biding citizen. The 1/2 dose thing could be a game changer
[quote=chazwood;1627985873]...we know michael jackson didn't drive, but if he did, i bet he'd be wearing a mask and [i]glove on his right hand[/i] while driving...[/quote]
fify!
The good news is, she already feels way better today.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1628007813]Great post as usual. I can understand Correctional staff getting the vaccine, I can't wrap my head around any, ****phile, murder, rapist etc,, getting a shot over any law biding citizen. The 1/2 dose thing could be a game changer[/QUOTE]
Oh believe me, they're in no rush to vaccinate the inmates.
[QUOTE=xTeTe;1628114623]Oh believe me, they're in no rush to vaccinate the inmates.[/QUOTE]
They are 1B, here in IL where you are from apparently, same as paramedics, teachers, police...The way it works is they need to reach a percentage of that category, or have enough vaccine to move to the next.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/yBMMixE.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/h6Bk6RB.jpg?1[/img]
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1628115423]They are 1B, here in IL where you are from apparently, same as paramedics, teachers, police...The way it works is they need to reach a percentage of that category, or have enough vaccine to move to the next.[/QUOTE]
That's weird, in California they don't intend to vaccinate the inmates yet. The staff has taken precedent and the vaccines are supposedly not going to be available in a couple weeks if they don't get them now. I don't think they have enough vaccines to go around to vaccinate the inmates yet.
I'm sure my wife will tell me if they do start giving them out to the inmates though.