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[QUOTE=Bando;1635442953]Do you know what DOMS stands for?
OK, let me rephrase, Keyboard Infectious Disease Experts With a Brain.[/QUOTE]
Delayed onset muscle soreness, when get a vax or if you get sick shortly after lifting your immune system fights harder, the affects after lifting are much more intense.
How does that not make sense to you? I’ve said it before you have more useless muscle than a brain, dipchit!
[QUOTE=Bando;1635442953]Do you know what DOMS stands for?
OK, let me rephrase, Keyboard Infectious Disease Experts With a Brain.[/QUOTE]
Wat you think you had Acute muscle soreness 7 hours later after sleeping???????
Eithier way smartazz, lifting did intensify it, even if it was a sissy weight with a bunch a volume!
[QUOTE=Corbets;1635443633]No, but it is possible that you compromised your body’s ability to “defend” against the vaccine (e.g. triggered immune response) by re-allocating its resources elsewhere (e.g. to muscle repair), though with a light workout probably not in any significant way.[/QUOTE]
Ahh a poster with a brain! Thank goodness.
The workout was an hour, 15 sets, 80% of what I would usually lift. In retrospect I wouldn't call it a light workout, I was sweating and got a pump, just didn't push it to the level I normally would.
[QUOTE=LWW;1635446483]Delayed onset muscle soreness, when get a vax or if you get sick shortly after lifting your immune system fights harder, the affects after lifting are much more intense.
How does that not make sense to you? I’ve said it before you have more useless muscle than a brain, dipchit![/QUOTE]
DOMS is when you squat heavy on Monday, then Tuesday you're walking down the road collecting your cans fine, then when you go to bring your bags of cans to WalMart on Wednesday, your legs are fukked up.
[QUOTE=-=FLEX=-;1635433463]Last year my eye doctor told me she saw some weirdness in my retina so she sent me to a specialist. He wanted to perform laser surgery on my eye to prevent me from any potential issues in the future. I asked him what the risks were. He told me. I asked him what the risks were of doing nothing . He told me.
I chose to do nothing. Seems pretty simple if you have a small likelihood of a bad event from doing nothing and an equally small likelihood of a bad event from doing something that the correct course of action is to do nothing.
That is my rationale anyway.
And that is how I feel about getting "vaccinated"[/QUOTE]
Ditto
I’m gonna wait it out for a long as I can without getting the vaccine. No long term data.
Only one thought that makes me more comfortable as each day passes is that the experimental data gets larger each day. Millions have gotten it and I’m not aware of any major side effects being reported.
[QUOTE=Bando;1635437863]So I have this kooky theory and with so many keyboard infectious disease experts here I thought I would bring it up...[/QUOTE]
While the Moderna vaccine has been more widely reported to have these effects (less surprisingly since it has three times the dose compared to Pfizer), I'd definitely go with the theory that since mRNA uses protein synthesis for its replication pathway, you basically had a vaccine virtual cytokine storm from being jacked! :D
[QUOTE=Corbets;1635443633]Unfortunately, mild symptoms are a relatively common side effect of the vaccines. [b]Still better than the real thing though[/b] (cue the anti-vax brigade in 3...2...1...).[/QUOTE]
Unless you are one of the millions of people who are asymptomatic. ;) Also, the bolded part of your quote can only be evaluated with respect to the short term. If the long term effects of the vaccine turn out to raise the likelihood of cancer or auto-immune diseases, not so much in my book.
[QUOTE=Corbets;1635443633]No, but it is possible that you compromised your body’s ability to “defend” against the vaccine (e.g. triggered immune response) by re-allocating its resources elsewhere (e.g. to muscle repair)[/QUOTE]
Yea, that's exactly how the body works..That must be why athletes are so sickly. LOL
I ended up with having no choice in the matter (yes my chosen employer is quite good at persuading)
I left it as long as possible, and in doing so contracted COVID after I could have been vaccinated. Now suffering from the after effects, while feeling what would have happened if I had just taken the damn ting at first offering.
My personal opinion (FWIW) is that there are way more things likely to shorten my life than the vaccine. I've been jagged for everything else under the sun, so could I blame this one over the others.
End of the day, the only way the world might get back to being open is by getting and in a few years it will be in the same category as polio.
That's just my old opinion :-)
[QUOTE=Eternalstuden79;1635460243]I ended up with having no choice in the matter (yes my chosen employer is quite good at persuading)
I left it as long as possible, and in doing so contracted COVID after I could have been vaccinated. Now suffering from the after effects, while feeling what would have happened if I had just taken the damn ting at first offering.
My personal opinion (FWIW) is that there are way more things likely to shorten my life than the vaccine. I've been jagged for everything else under the sun, so could I blame this one over the others.
End of the day, the only way the world might get back to being open is by getting and in a few years it will be in the same category as polio.
That's just my old opinion :-)[/QUOTE]
Yeah I kinda didn't want to wait for the covid either and figured what the heck. People saying the vaccine being experipental, well covid is experipental also. I don't want to be out of the gym for weeks and maybe have long lasting symptoms.
I'm not even sure if I'll get the vaccine again and if it's a yearly thing, I might still get covid and propably get it some point in my life. People waiting to get vaccine, well I'd rather wait for covid and prolong it as long as possible.
[QUOTE=Bando;1635437863]Thanks Bro.
So I have this kooky theory and with so many keyboard infectious disease experts here I thought I would bring it up.
My reaction was unlike anyone else's I have read or heard about. If you see my OP above, I doubt anyone else I heard from went to the gym and did a pretty solid shoulder sesh with a shoulder full of vaccine.
Is it possible that I "unleashed the full force of the vaccine" in a short time when it was designed to just slowly do its thing?
Follow up protocol was "exercise the arm" but I think that was written with the idea of sweeping the kitchen more than overhead presses.
I'm back to 100% just in time for work BTW :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Yes you unleashed it because the same thing happend to me with the first shot Monday. I was fine laughing at " side effects" then spent the next 4 days doing most of the work for my gf's internal move in her building. That thing hit hard and as of last night I suddenly had a light fever and body aches. I have been super careful regarding covid, so the only new variable was the introduction of Pfizer to my life.
[QUOTE=Bando;1635447653]
DOMS is when you squat heavy on Monday, then Tuesday you're walking down the road collecting your cans fine, then when you go to bring your bags of cans to WalMart on Wednesday, your legs are fukked up.[/QUOTE]
OMG, it’s not always two fuking days written in stone dumbazz.
DOMS can happen within the first 24 hours after training.
The only time it don’t happen is during training, otherwise that would be acute muscle soreness.
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I chose to do nothing...[/QUOTE]
this reminded me about my wife's sister. She nearly died on operation table. She had a what they call a clinical death, heart stopped and doctors running around and all. Apparently anesthesiologist hammered her with way too big of a dose for her weight and nearly killed her. Operation was supposed to be a gall bladder removal. Investigation that followed, revealed that her liver has been also accidentally punctured by doctor's initial incision (whatever the term is). And then further it was established that she was misdiagnosed and gall bladder need not to be removed at all.
But vaccine, man, isn't like that. It is very benign infection by genetically modified virus which supposed to protect you from natural, organic virus.
[QUOTE=weiss1967;1635464803]But vaccine, man, isn't like that. It is very benign infection by genetically modified virus which supposed to protect you from natural, organic virus.[/QUOTE]
Coated in a proprietary and non-disclosed lipid nanoparticle that serves the purpose to protect the fragile mRNA inside, as well as trick your body's natural protection against foreign mRNA from entering your body.
Just four years ago the same technology needed a "hail mary" to get the dosing right.
[url]https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/[/url]
So apparently they did .. for the short term.And that's great! Vaccinate the high risk people, leave our kids alone. The kind of technology driving this has legitimate, long-term risks with cancer and auto-immune disease especially as they scramble to deal with variants and immunity escape of the virus. By keeping the vaccinations to the population where it is actually necessary to protect hospital capacity and morbidity rates, we are able to save lives, get long term data, and open things back up without experimenting on a huge proportion of the population and throwing an enormous variable into the global evolutionary system.
[QUOTE=Bando;1635437863]Thanks Bro.
So I have this kooky theory and with so many keyboard infectious disease experts here I thought I would bring it up.
My reaction was unlike anyone else's I have read or heard about. If you see my OP above, I doubt anyone else I heard from went to the gym and did a pretty solid shoulder sesh with a shoulder full of vaccine.
Is it possible that I "unleashed the full force of the vaccine" in a short time when it was designed to just slowly do its thing?
Follow up protocol was "exercise the arm" but I think that was written with the idea of sweeping the kitchen more than overhead presses.
I'm back to 100% just in time for work BTW :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
No, individual reactions vary. Some have no symptoms others get symptoms similar to the actual virus but shorter duration. I wonder if there is any relevance to post infection immunity (even if an asymptomatic case) followed by getting vaccinated. It would seem logical that if you already had circulating antibodies from post infection immunity, then injected mRNA that is coded for the antigen you might have a higher chance of a reaction. But I never dived that deep into immunology most of my micro was more focused on the agents that cause the disease and the disease itself rather than the minutia of the immune response. Plus nobody knows anyway with a new vaccine for a "new" to us virus.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1635468513]No, individual reactions vary. Some have no symptoms others get symptoms similar to the actual virus but shorter duration. I wonder if there is any relevance to post infection immunity (even if an asymptomatic case) followed by getting vaccinated. It would seem logical that if you already had circulating antibodies from post infection immunity, then injected mRNA that is coded for the antigen you might have a higher chance of a reaction. But I never dived that deep into immunology most of my micro was more focused on the agents that cause the disease and the disease itself rather than the minutia of the immune response. Plus nobody knows anyway with a new vaccine for a "new" to us virus.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I did hear it in the news..and my source of information is random news clips on YouTube lol...but they did say that if you have immunity from covid and the vaccine, you are more protected.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1635468813]Yeah I did hear it in the news..and my source of information is random news clips on YouTube lol...but they did say that if you have immunity from covid and the vaccine, you are more protected.[/QUOTE]
I mean I wonder if there is a correlation with people with post infection immunity having an adverse reaction to the vaccine. I just hired a girl who was in patient safety in the covid wing at a hospital - surely would have been exposed many times doing that work. Although she never got sick from covid, she had symptoms from the Pfizer vaccine when she got it earlier in the year while still working at the hospital. Young healthy 27 YO.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1635469113]I mean I wonder if there is a correlation with people with post infection immunity having an adverse reaction to the vaccine. I just hired a girl who was in patient safety in the covid wing at a hospital - surely would have been exposed many times doing that work. Although she never got sick from covid, she had symptoms from the Pfizer vaccine when she got it earlier in the year while still working at the hospital. Young healthy 27 YO.[/QUOTE]
Oh I see..well that's an interesting question.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1635469113]I mean I wonder if there is a correlation with people with post infection immunity having an adverse reaction to the vaccine. I just hired a girl who was in patient safety in the covid wing at a hospital - surely would have been exposed many times doing that work. Although she never got sick from covid, she had symptoms from the Pfizer vaccine when she got it earlier in the year while still working at the hospital. Young healthy 27 YO.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly what my daughter was telling me. She works in a hospital ICU, often with Covid patients, and got vaccinated early on. She was saying that if you have a strong reaction to the first shot, that means you've been exposed to Covid. If you have no reaction to the first (I didn't) and a strong reaction to the second, that means you didn't have much exposure. She was in the latter group, btw.
I'll ask her where she heard that.
[QUOTE=Gabbar99;1635473123]That's exactly what my daughter was telling me. She works in a hospital ICU, often with Covid patients, and got vaccinated early on. She was saying that if you have a strong reaction to the first shot, that means you've been exposed to Covid. If you have no reaction to the first (I didn't) and a strong reaction to the second, that means you didn't have much exposure. She was in the latter group, btw.
I'll ask her where she heard that.[/QUOTE]
That would make the most sense to me. Your body would be "primed" for a reaction to the antigen with post exposure immunity. Being administered the vaccine would allow what "appears to the body" to be an antigen delivered at a higher dose/level than what should be encountered naturally thereby resulting in a more pronounced reaction. Probably why second dose reactions are more common with the two dose vaccines (both Pfizer and Moderna)
[QUOTE=-=FLEX=-;1635465533]LOL.
It's not a traditional vaccine and it is not proven yet. My mind is literally blown at how many people want to have it injected into them. [/QUOTE]
IDK I don't think the JJ one is "new" tech.
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How is it in all these years we never had a vaccine for influenza and they come up with a "vaccine" for Covid in less than 9 months?[/QUOTE]
Amazing what can happen when enough money and resources are thrown at something.
[QUOTE=-=FLEX=-;1635465533]LOL.
How is it in all these years we never had a vaccine for influenza and they come up with a "vaccine" for Covid in less than 9 months?[/QUOTE]
It wasn’t until 23 years later in 1931 that virologist Richard Shope discovered that influenza was caused by the Orthomyxoviridae family of viruses. When the public came into contact with these germs, the person caught the flu virus and became ill.
A couple of short years later, scientists discovered three main strands of the virus caused influenza. This breakthrough helped Thomas Francis and Jonas Salk to develop the first vaccine in 1938.
Everyone wants to talk about the Pfizer and Moderna 2 shot vaccines but not a lot is discussed regarding the Johnson & Johnson / Janssen version, why is that? Hell they make No More Tears shampoo so has to give them some credibility for at least caring?
[QUOTE=Corbi;1635524593]Everyone wants to talk about the Pfizer and Moderna 2 shot vaccines but not a lot is discussed regarding the Johnson & Johnson / Janssen version, why is that? Hell they make No More Tears shampoo so has to give them some credibility for at least caring?[/QUOTE]
It is the fact that their number is 23% lower than the other 2 for protection and effectiveness, at least that is my take.
Others want and prefer it based on it using traditional methods for creating a vaxx in the lab.
Got JJ vaccine last week - all that was available. Would have preferred 2 dose but it is what it is. Was sick for 3 days. It felt like someone was cutting my veins from inside + plus temperature. Day 4 no issues. Will do it again. My reasoning = science + personal experience with diphtheria.
Lord Jesus, I missed on that vaccine in Russia and got it when I was 13 (I was a healthy 13 yo and got diphtheria). I was in the hospital for over a month, receiving ****@y Russian healthcare and penicillin in my butt daily. That feeling when you can’t breathe, there is nothing like that. No thank you. Vaccine every day all day long.
[QUOTE=lotusdeva;1635528243]Got JJ vaccine last week - all that was available. Would have preferred 2 dose but it is what it is. Was sick for 3 days. It felt like someone was cutting my veins from inside + plus temperature. [/QUOTE]
I hate that you went through that but glad I have someone that can relate, this is the first I've heard of an experience as ch!tty as mine.
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1635480653]Amazing what can happen when enough money and resources are thrown at something.[/QUOTE]
Correct. But there was some worn out scientist in a lab at 3:14 in the morning who noticed something in a test tube/petri dish was finally doing what they wanted it to do and they realized they could save millions of lives.
Would be pretty cool to be on that team.
[QUOTE=Corbi;1635524593]... Johnson & Johnson / Janssen version, why is that? Hell they make No More Tears shampoo...[/QUOTE] Yeah, good point, but how about the people who make Angel Soft toilet paper, getting a vaccine made by them will feel like your arm is being caressed and if you get a free roll to take home, that will clinch the deal.
(Since Nokia used to make toilet paper, anything's possible!)
[QUOTE=lotusdeva;1635528243]Got JJ vaccine last week - all that was available. Would have preferred 2 dose but it is what it is. Was sick for 3 days. It felt like someone was cutting my veins from inside + plus temperature. Day 4 no issues. Will do it again. My reasoning = science + personal experience with diphtheria.
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I got the J&J myself last thursday and my arm got a tiny bit sore right at the injection site but that was it, friday evening I was in the gym.
[QUOTE=lotusdeva;1635528243]Got JJ vaccine last week - all that was available. Would have preferred 2 dose but it is what it is. Was sick for 3 days. It felt like someone was cutting my veins from inside + plus temperature. Day 4 no issues. Will do it again. My reasoning = science + personal experience with diphtheria.
Lord Jesus, I missed on that vaccine in Russia and got it when I was 13 (I was a healthy 13 yo and got diphtheria). I was in the hospital for over a month, receiving ****@y Russian healthcare and penicillin in my butt daily. That feeling when you can’t breathe, there is nothing like that. No thank you. Vaccine every day all day long.[/QUOTE]
When you can't breathe, nothing else matters.
[QUOTE=Corbi;1635533283]I got the J&J myself last thursday and my arm got a tiny bit sore right at the injection site but that was it, friday evening I was in the gym.[/QUOTE]
I got my first Pfizer yesterday and my arm's a little bit sore, too. I fully intend to workout today, but I'll play it by ear.
[QUOTE=lotusdeva;1635528243]Got JJ vaccine last week - all that was available. Would have preferred 2 dose but it is what it is. Was sick for 3 days. It felt like someone was cutting my veins from inside + plus temperature. Day 4 no issues. Will do it again. My reasoning = science + personal experience with diphtheria.
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Oof. I hadn't heard of any side effects like that from the JJ. 24hrs after the shot I felt like I had the flu for about 5hrs then nothing. My wife had zero issues.
I don't know the answer but if one had had C19 already would they experience side effects at all from the vaccine? We are pretty confident my wife had it last Feb.
[QUOTE=Bando;1635530533]
Correct. But there was some worn out scientist in a lab at 3:14 in the morning who noticed something in a test tube/petri dish was finally doing what they wanted it to do and they realized they could save millions of lives.
Would be pretty cool to be on that team.[/QUOTE]
Right? Science is great and thank gosh for all of those who spent so much time on this only to have some on the internet play virologist and dismiss the efforts based on pseudo information.
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Great video thanks much!
Hey Bando, when you going to admit that DOMS happens anytime after training, even several hours???
DOMS happens when you stimulate the muscle in a way(angle) that it has not been stressed regularly.
1.That is why when you paint your ceiling, you experience Doms in your traps/neck/ upper back/shoulders.
2. i do biceps regularly and never have doms, as soon as i change the angle/range of motion, doms.
[QUOTE=LWW;1635548423]Hey Bando, when you going to admit that DOMS happens anytime after training, even several hours???[/QUOTE]
Several hours is not "delayed" lol
Delayed is anything after 24 hours
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1635549223]DOMS happens when you stimulate the muscle in a way(angle) that it has not been stressed regularly.
1.That is why when you paint your ceiling, you experience Doms in your traps/neck/ upper back/shoulders.
2. i do biceps regularly and never have doms, as soon as i change the angle/range of motion, doms.[/QUOTE]
The increase in poundage and volume also present DOMS.
I ever recall DOMS from painting ceilings, I’d say that was acute sorness because the activity lasted hours.
I’m shocked at the lack of knowledge of the subject on a B.B. forum though?
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1635538233]Oof. I hadn't heard of any side effects like that from the JJ. 24hrs after the shot I felt like I had the flu for about 5hrs then nothing. My wife had zero issues.
I don't know the answer but if one had had C19 already would they experience side effects at all from the vaccine? We are pretty confident my wife had it last Feb.
Right? Science is great and thank gosh for all of those who spent so much time on this only to have some on the internet play virologist and dismiss the efforts based on pseudo information.[/QUOTE]
Who knows :( but I take 3 days of hell over Covid any day
[QUOTE=LWW;1635551933]The increase in poundage and volume also present DOMS.
I ever recall DOMS from painting ceilings, I’d say that was acute sorness because the activity lasted hours.
I’m shocked at the lack of knowledge of the subject on a B.B. forum though?[/QUOTE]
Yes i typed out a fast one and forgot the obvious, weight increase.
[url=https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=When+do+doms+occur]Doms click here[/url]
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1635538233]
I don't know the answer but if one had had C19 already would they experience side effects at all from the vaccine? We are pretty confident my wife had it last Feb.[/QUOTE]
My understanding is that it seems those who already had covid will have worse side effects from the vaccine to the point that in Europe they are contemplating giving these people only 1 dose instead of the usual 2.
I have been reading about Novavax, which doesn't use any DNA or RNA in your cells, it just injects the protein directly into your arm together with something that will cause a bit of inflammation just to alert your immune system. Antibodies get to the site of injection, find the protein there and start fighting it. Seems to have very good results with less side effects, but it's still in progress and may hit the market in May, which means it's even less tested over large numbers than Pfizer or J&J.
Still holding out on getting any vaccine though. Unless I am going to be forced to take it for work, or if I have to fly back to Europe for family emergency, or other pressing reasons I am going to wait this out another bit.
[QUOTE=Bando;1635551793]Several hours is not "delayed" lol
Delayed is anything after 24 hours[/QUOTE]
Are you fuking really serious, a delay is a fuking delay it could be 10 fuking 10 minutes, but in exercise 10 minutes would be considered acute, but not 10 faking hours, or even several hours. DOMS can start after several hours be minimal, it gradually becomes more soreness within the next 24-48 hours, all depends.
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Hopefully by the time I'm eligible I'll be able to locate whatever locations are giving the J and J vaccine.
[QUOTE=-=FLEX=-;1635556713]Just remember that the FDA, that has approved these vaccines for emergency use only, told the American public for almost 40 years, that dietary cholesterol was harmful and could lead to heart disease and a bunch of other health problems with no facts to back that up.
Nearly 40 years of telling a flat out lie.
They finally stopped the bull**** about 6 years ago.
Prior to that the "science was settled" and if you thought eating eggs every day was perfectly fine you'd have been laughed at.
This BS spawned such things as egg-white omelets and "no yolk" egg noodles and prompted food manufacturers to put "NO CHOLESTEROL" in big bold letters on products like french fries that never would have any cholesterol in them anyway.
40 years of lies with no facts...
But I'm sure they're right about this.[/QUOTE]
Flex, I just wish we had some ***predictive data*** to assure us that getting this thing won't cause some serious long term damage.
Yes it is mostly old and high bmi people that get wrecked, but surely you know some fit ones( i do) too that are still recovering weeks and months later.
In some people yes it is just a simple flu, kinda, in others it is a freaking wrecking ball.
How can super fit cardio people go from marathons to struggling weeks/months after covid?
chit is baffling.....
[QUOTE=-=FLEX=-;1635556713]Just remember that the FDA, that has approved these vaccines for emergency use only, told the American public for almost 40 years, that dietary cholesterol was harmful and could lead to heart disease and a bunch of other health problems with no facts to back that up.
Nearly 40 years of telling a flat out lie.
They finally stopped the bull**** about 6 years ago.
Prior to that the "science was settled" and if you thought eating eggs every day was perfectly fine you'd have been laughed at.
This BS spawned such things as egg-white omelets and "no yolk" egg noodles and prompted food manufacturers to put "NO CHOLESTEROL" in big bold letters on products like french fries that never would have any cholesterol in them anyway.
40 years of lies with no facts...
But I'm sure they're right about this.[/QUOTE]
LOL agreed. Just lol at the FDA in general. Michalel Pollan's book is pretty eye opening about the FDA. [url]https://michaelpollan.com/books/in-defense-of-food/[/url]
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1635558473]Flex, I just wish we had some ***predictive data*** to assure us that getting this thing won't cause some serious long term damage.
Yes it is mostly old and high bmi people that get wrecked, but surely you know some fit ones( i do) too that are still recovering weeks and months later.
In some people yes it is just a simple flu, kinda, in others it is a freaking wrecking ball.
How can super fit cardio people go from marathons to struggling weeks/months after covid?
chit is baffling.....[/QUOTE]
Individual's choices, the whole "my body my choice" applies.
Genetic factors are the most likely reason for seemingly healthy people having negative outcomes while others even with significant comorbidities are barely affected. I'd be more inclined to get vaxxed if I wasn't sure I already had it. Would probably have been a little more concerned about my own health if that were the case as well...
I demand the Senate strip and fork over Brando’s green skittles to me for reparations due to his incorrect incrimation of me and his lack of knowledge of the basics!!!!!!!!!
[QUOTE=-=FLEX=-;1635556713]Just remember that the FDA, that has approved these vaccines for emergency use only, told the American public for almost 40 years, that dietary cholesterol was harmful and could lead to heart disease and a bunch of other health problems with no facts to back that up.[/QUOTE]
Not this sh*t again. High cholesterol food do lead to heart disease and health problems. It's one of the best established connections in medical science. It's not as bad or as direct as it was spun to be at one point, but the high-fat-low-carb conspiracy kooks making money by claiming all science is a nefarious pro-vegan plot are just plain lying.
Science: dietary LDL cholesterol is bad for your heart
Kooks: OMG! An egg will kill you! Meat is the devil. It's all a big lie by the $100 billion dollar a year beef industry.
Opportunists: buy my book and have this low-cholesterol junk food
Science: it's not quite as bad as all that
Kooks: OMG! You lied to us! All credentialed and salaried scientists are corrupt idiots. Only trust info from non-scientists who make money by how many books and supplements they sell you.
Opportunists: Buy my book and buy this high-cholesterol junk food
I have no idea what dietary cholesterol has to do with the Covid vaccine.
(edit: actually, there are kooks claiming that high cholesterol will protect you from Covid, because cholesterol is the best and there's nothing it can't do)
[QUOTE=-=FLEX=-;1635561723]It's a matter of trusting them.
They themselves said dietary cholesterol was bad for 40 years. They stopped saying that. Because it's not true.[/QUOTE]
High blood cholesterol is still bad. Dietary saturated fat, which correlates with dietary cholesterol and leads to high blood cholesterol, is still bad. Dietary cholesterol is not the direct factor, but limiting dietary cholesterol would still get you where you want to go.
It's not like THEY WERE LYING FOR 40 YEARS AND THEN SUDDENLY CHANGED.
Like everything else in science, it's more nuanced and more iterative than a simple slogan can convey.
And it's very likely not the same "they" for cholesterol as for vaccines.
My father thinks too many eggs are bad cause he thinks the guy on the news is correct.
Wat he doesn’t see is they will link eggs with the typical westerner who eats junk food, smokes, drinks, and eats processed fast food eggs etc because eggs are a staple in that diet.
Eggs alone are the greatest most healthiest food for many people. The Sparticous political guy is a speaking incorrectly about having eggs, he must of ate a McDonalds sammich.
[QUOTE=LWW;1635562913]My father thinks too many eggs are bad cause he thinks the guy on the news is correct.
Wat he doesn’t see is they will link eggs with the typical westerner who eats junk food, smokes, drinks, and eats processed fast food eggs etc because eggs are a staple in that diet.
Eggs alone are the greatest most healthiest food for many people. The Sparticous political guy is a speaking incorrectly about having eggs, he must of ate a McDonalds sammich.[/QUOTE]
Yes we know.