Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1644187053]I am fully vaccinated and now quarantined with a slight cough and a runny nose after my trip to Nashville. They packed 75,000 of us into the covered concessions area for 45 minutes due to lightning, and since 1/2 of the crowd wasn't vaccinated, you can bet there will be some new cases that got exposed there. My cough is probably just a cold, but even my kids who are also fully vaccinated and asymptomatic are wearing masks 100% of the time outside the house again. Just like Biden. The president interacts with many people each day so even though he's vaccinated, he could still catch a resistant strain, spread it, or become the source of a new variant. Like him, I'll wear a mask when I might expose other people outside my family in my home. If I get infected, hopefully I whatever strain I catch, or whatever strain develops in me, will not spread beyond me.
I got the vaccine to protect me. I wear the mask to protect others.



Not really. If I carry it's to protect myself or my family and friends. While you're more than welcome to hide behind me if someone starts shooting at us, you're not why I have a CCW. The chance that either of us will ever need our firearms to protect ourselves or others is much less likely than the possibility that one of us will win the Powerball jackpot. One person's practice of wearing a mask indoors when they're around others is much more likely to save a life than any 10 civilians responsibly carrying a firearm for the next 30 years is.

In addition to my CCW, which I rarely bother to carry, my family has an IFAK in every car and I keep a large kit in my car, a small bleed stop kit in my travel bag, and another one in my range bag. All 6 kits combined cost less than the cheapest firearm I own. The chance that you or I will protect ourselves or someone else with a firearm are tiny compared to the chance we could save a life, our own possibly, with an IFAK and a little bit of knowledge. So, as you type out inane statements comparing guns to masks, I'd like to ask, do you also carry an IFAK that you know how to use? Or is it just the firearms? Because if you chose to only carry a firearm, it's basically your version of Linus' security blanket, and isn't comparable to others choosing to wear a mask.[/QUOTE]



So now that you caught a cold life is fuking over, this is our future? God how pathetic, grow a set ballz, my 90 year granny is tougher than you young snow flakes today.

Lol at the gun thing.

[QUOTE=LWW;1644188733]the only reason they the experts want us masked is to protect the non vaccinated.[/QUOTE]


You sure about that?

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644189193]You sure about that?[/QUOTE]

The cdc is saying being vaccinated reduces the sever ness of Covid meaning it becomes a fuking cold, but if you bring vaccinated can spread it to someone unvaccinated so they suggest to wear a mask to protect the unvaccinated.

The dumb Mayer in ny isn’t even smart enough to have vaccinated and unvaccinated sections at restaurants, he’s going to cause lots of trouble.

I know you’ll come back and say no that’s not right well Gil off.

The cdc wants us all masking for feel good reasons they have no proof masks protect the wearer even your buddy Mr. Plower states confirms this.

[QUOTE=LWW;1644188733], the only reason they the experts want us masked is to protect the non vaccinated.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=LWW;1644190103]The cdc is saying being vaccinated reduces the sever ness of Covid meaning it becomes a fuking cold, but if you bring vaccinated can spread it to someone unvaccinated so they suggest to wear a mask to protect the unvaccinated.

The dumb Mayer in ny isn’t even smart enough to have vaccinated and unvaccinated sections at restaurants, he’s going to cause lots of trouble.[/QUOTE]


Still not buying the only reason for masking is to protect the unvaccinated.

[QUOTE=LWW;1644189083]So now that you caught a cold life is fuking over, this is our future? God how pathetic, grow a set ballz, my 90 year granny is tougher than you young snow flakes today.

Lol at the gun thing.[/QUOTE]

I'm fine having a mild cold and I can work from home. Quarantining until I am cleared in a couple of days is no big deal.

Whether or not your 90 year old granny is tougher than me isn't an issue since I won't ever put her, or any other people her age, at risk.

I do suspect she's tougher than people who use their spouses as an excuse to wimp out and get a vaccine they wanted anyway, as well as the ones who don't have the self confidence or mental fortitude to allow them to act responsibly and wear a mask. Especially when it's such an easy thing to do. But hey, some people really are wimps, can't tolerate a little cloth mask due to their insecurities and have to pretend they're not wearing it for other reasons.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644190953]Still not buying the only reason for masking is to protect the unvaccinated.[/QUOTE]

It's obviously not the only reason. If the delta variant can replicate in similar numbers in vaccinated individuals, then mask wearing, which prevents carriers from spreading it to both vaccinated and unvaccinated people, decreases the risk we'll see a more resistant or virulent strain develop and spread.

[QUOTE=LWW;1644190103]

The dumb Mayer in ny[/QUOTE]

John Mayer? I like that guy.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644190953]Still not buying the only reason for masking is to protect the unvaccinated.[/QUOTE]

I also said they want us all to mask for feel good reasons and they have no proof that masks protect the wearer which of course you didn’t include and flew over your head.

Even Mr. plower know there is little to no evidence.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1644192063]It's obviously not the only reason. If the delta variant can replicate in similar numbers in vaccinated individuals, then mask wearing, which prevents carriers from spreading it to both vaccinated and unvaccinated people, decreases the risk we'll see a more resistant or virulent strain develop and spread.[/QUOTE]

Masking didn’t work during the mandates in 2020 so why are they gonna work now? They make money for CHYNA though and gives pockets a warm fuzzy feeling!

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1644191893]I'm fine having a mild cold and I can work from home. Quarantining until I am cleared in a couple of days is no big deal.

Whether or not your 90 year old granny is tougher than me isn't an issue since I won't ever put her, or any other people her age, at risk.

I do suspect she's tougher than people who use their spouses as an excuse to wimp out and get a vaccine they wanted anyway, as well as the ones who don't have the self confidence or mental fortitude to allow them to act responsibly and wear a mask. Especially when it's such an easy thing to do. But hey, some people really are wimps, can't tolerate a little cloth mask due to their insecurities and have to pretend they're not wearing it for other reasons.[/QUOTE]

It is obsurd to wear a mask everywhere.

I already said I will mask in someone’s home, that is when Covid is spread.

I don’t go to concerts so I don’t care there.

I won’t mask in a gym or walking into a store, no reason to.

You are weak and a wimp cause you just blindly follow.

I think critically, I’m smart your dumb, kiss my azx

[QUOTE=LWW;1644190103]The cdc is saying being vaccinated reduces the sever ness of Covid meaning it becomes a fuking cold, but if you bring vaccinated can spread it to someone unvaccinated so they suggest to wear a mask to protect the unvaccinated.

The dumb Mayer in ny isn’t even smart enough to have vaccinated and unvaccinated sections at restaurants, he’s going to cause lots of trouble.[/QUOTE]

There's irony in this post, I can feel it.

[QUOTE=LWW;1644190283]I know you’ll come back and say no that’s not right well Gil off.

The cdc wants us all masking for feel good reasons they have no proof masks protect the wearer even your buddy Mr. Plower states confirms this.[/QUOTE]
I can't confirm anything, that requires a well designed repeatable experiment. That said, I wouldn't consider an N95 as protective for the wearer either, in my professional opinion. It would help, but it would not be protective enough to be considered PPE (I wouldn't sign off on that). The CDC knows this, that is why they have Level A protection an supplied air or highly effective PAPRs when dealing with airborne infectious diseases. I'm curious how much they protect others in "real world applications" because saturation of cloth masks would render them infective and I have seen some data that cloth masks actually increase infection rates (likely because people don't wash/change them regularly as they would a disposable procedural mask in a medical setting).

[QUOTE=LWW;1644152203]I carry my arsenal of firearms to protect YOU! One day when thit goes down you thank ME that I had multiple firearms and a thit load or ammo to save YOU!

So if you go by the mask and vaccine theory, YOU should carry also to protect ME!!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LWW;1644152463]Special Forces Capt. Richard J. Flaherty AKA The Giant Killer!!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LWW;1644170303]There you go again, manipulating my quote, you didn’t quote the reason why he has to wear a mask, it’s because of the influx of infected border crossers.

You sound like the old lady who has to freak over what I say, slay the giants!!!!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LWW;1644171533]I got an A in science, so sticks out toungue.

In fact I got an A in just about every subject at one point depending on my motivation at that time.

If I wanted to, A’s were no problem.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LWW;1644183093]I knew you were stupid if you think I’m as stupid as that chick.

First of all, the mask is a feel good thing, you can still get this Thit even with a fuking mask. If I’m around someone vulnerable like inside thier home I will mask for their benefit, I won’t hiwever change my fuking culture to satasfy CHYNA or be a fuking moron and wear a mask alone outside.

The virus don’t spread by walking to your fuking table if that was the case there’s no point in even sitting down and removing the mask.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LWW;1644184093]LIsten up, you clowns want to talk about not passing science and the scientists, you azzholes forget that Fauci called masks a feel good thing.

That’s the only truth that mofo has told but CHYNA didn’t want that plus the masks are being made in CHYNA, believe want you want to numbnuts but the truth is in that haystack, the true believers you fukers are!!!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LWW;1644186913]Man you are just an annoying fuker.

First this is about wearing your fuking mask while vaccinated, the restaurant is not mandated to even do that yet in all states, when they do, they are just complying if they do this and are not mandated they are just doing the feel good bs.

Corbi, why don’t you ask this stupid mofo Pockets what’s wrong with him?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LWW;1644188733]Sorry my fuse is logging into this fuking forum, it sucks on a phone.

My initial response was not to you, it’s to TryingBB but I know you agree with him anyway.

TyingBB acts like the masks protect him as he states he is afraid to go places and the fear makes him mask while vaccinated, the only reason they the experts want us masked is to protect the non vaccinated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LWW;1644189083]So now that you caught a cold life is fuking over, this is our future? God how pathetic, grow a set ballz, my 90 year granny is tougher than you young snow flakes today.

Lol at the gun thing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LWW;1644190103]The cdc is saying being vaccinated reduces the sever ness of Covid meaning it becomes a fuking cold, but if you bring vaccinated can spread it to someone unvaccinated so they suggest to wear a mask to protect the unvaccinated.

The dumb Mayer in ny isn’t even smart enough to have vaccinated and unvaccinated sections at restaurants, he’s going to cause lots of trouble.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LWW;1644190283]I know you’ll come back and say no that’s not right well Gil off.

The cdc wants us all masking for feel good reasons they have no proof masks protect the wearer even your buddy Mr. Plower states confirms this.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LWW;1644194843]I also said they want us all to mask for feel good reasons and they have no proof that masks protect the wearer which of course you didn’t include and flew over your head.

Even Mr. plower know there is little to no evidence.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LWW;1644195093]Masking didn’t work during the mandates in 2020 so why are they gonna work now? They make money for CHYNA though and gives pockets a warm fuzzy feeling![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LWW;1644195963]It is obsurd to wear a mask everywhere.

I already said I will mask in someone’s home, that is when Covid is spread.

I don’t go to concerts so I don’t care there.

I won’t mask in a gym or walking into a store, no reason to.

You are weak and a wimp cause you just blindly follow.

I think critically, I’m smart your dumb, kiss my azx[/QUOTE]


[img]https://i.imgur.com/erhkbqY.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644196033]There's irony in this post, I can feel it.
[/QUOTE]

I don’t agree with sections in a restaurant but it’s better than turning the unvaccinated away.

Anyone who does should just be shot, there’s no hope in that type of humanity.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644196533][img]https://i.imgur.com/erhkbqY.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

Fuk off!!!

[QUOTE=LWW;1644196803]Fuk off!!![/QUOTE]


[img]https://i.imgur.com/zuUs7Al.jpg?1[/img]

[QUOTE=LWW;1644196643]I don’t agree with sections in a restaurant but it’s better than turning the unvaccinated away.

.[/QUOTE]


Probably safer for the unvaccinated to eat outside on the patio if possible.

Pres. Biden thanks companies like Walmart, Google and Tysons for requiring vaccinations for their employees and calls out states that have banned mask mandates: "What are we doing? COVID-19 is a national challenge. And we have to come together...as a country to solve it."

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1644192063]It's obviously not the only reason. If the delta variant can replicate in similar numbers in vaccinated individuals, then mask wearing, which prevents carriers from spreading it to both vaccinated and unvaccinated people, decreases the risk we'll see a more resistant or virulent strain develop and spread.[/QUOTE]


Have you seen the actual data suggesting delta can replicate in similar numbers in the vaccinated? I've seen/heard it said, but haven't seen any actual data.

[QUOTE=litljay;1644198653]Have you seen the actual data suggesting delta can replicate in similar numbers in the vaccinated? I've seen/heard it said, but haven't seen any actual data.[/QUOTE]

It's a shame there isn't a way to somehow perform an automated query of all the computers hooked up to the internet to see if that data exists.

[QUOTE=litljay;1644198653]Have you seen the actual data suggesting delta can replicate in similar numbers in the vaccinated? I've seen/heard it said, but haven't seen any actual data.[/QUOTE]

It’s not detailed (meant for the general public) but the figure on bottom pg. 3 is helpful. Dane county data [url]https://publichealthmdc.com/documents/2021-07-29_data_snapshot.pdf[/url] The CDC apparently has similar preliminary results, but I’ve yet to see the data.

That said, the virus is almost certainly not replicating as extensively in the vaccinated group. What the CDC has claimed is that there are equal viral loads in specimens taken from the upper respiratory tract. That is not the same as equal viral loads throughout the body, such as in LRT where severe disease complications usually arise. Also they need to check for putatively replicating virus, not just rna.

[QUOTE=eomrat;1644200683]It's a shame there isn't a way to somehow perform an automated query of all the computers hooked up to the internet to see if that data exists.[/QUOTE]

Go ahead, I'll let you search for it since it's NOT been peer reviewed and published yet as far as I'm aware. That's why I'm asking. Thanks for your sarcasm though.

[QUOTE=litljay;1644198653]Have you seen the actual data suggesting delta can replicate in similar numbers in the vaccinated? I've seen/heard it said, but haven't seen any actual data.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I actually did read couple of studies. The caveat is that those were going by PCR cycles from nasal samples, so you bring up a good point. I'm breaking a cardinal rule by assuming the similar nasal load in vaccinated breakthrough cases and unvaccinated individuals correlates with systemic load. Given the decreased symptoms, there's a good chance it isn't the same, in which case vaccinated delta carriers are only equally likely to spread the virus, but would not be as likely to be the nidus of a new concerning strain. Either way, since we're less likely to show symptoms and can have the same nasal load of virus, masking to protect others still makes sense.

[QUOTE=Reliance012;1644201113]It’s not detailed (meant for the general public) but the figure on bottom pg. 3 is helpful. Dane county data [url]https://publichealthmdc.com/documents/2021-07-29_data_snapshot.pdf[/url] The CDC apparently has similar preliminary results, but I’ve yet to see the data.

That said, the virus is almost certainly not replicating as extensively in the vaccinated group. What the CDC has claimed is that there are equal viral loads in specimens taken from the upper respiratory tract. That is not the same as equal viral loads throughout the body, such as in LRT where severe disease complications usually arise. Also they need to check for putatively replicating virus, not just rna.[/QUOTE]

Excellent answer. Wouldn't have bothered if I'd seen this.




[QUOTE=LWW;1644195963]You are weak and a wimp cause you just blindly follow.

I think critically, I’m smart your dumb, kiss my azx[/QUOTE]

It's so tempting to respond with "I'm rubber, you're glue...

[QUOTE=litljay;1644201163]Go ahead, I'll let you search for it since it's NOT been peer reviewed and published yet as far as I'm aware. That's why I'm asking. Thanks for your sarcasm though.[/QUOTE]

If peer review is important to you, you may not have a clear understanding of what that process actually involves.

[QUOTE=eomrat;1644202393]If peer review is important to you, you may not have a clear understanding of what that process actually involves.[/QUOTE]

Did you not see the other 2 excellent responses above? That data doesn't come up easily in a google search. Though, I guess you would rather spend time just being an ass.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644198083]Probably safer for the unvaccinated to eat outside on the patio if possible.[/QUOTE]

SAfety first, kiddie proof everything for Pockets, the boogie man is here.

[QUOTE=LWW;1644196643]I don’t agree with sections in a restaurant but it’s better than turning the unvaccinated away.

Anyone who does should just be shot, there’s no hope in that type of humanity.[/QUOTE]

If my servers ask me for vaccine papers I will simply inform them they are no longer needed.

If my servents can’t give me their vaccine papers they are fired.

Now go get your booster, tater, you’re due on height and strength alone.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644198453]Pres. Biden thanks companies like Walmart, Google and Tysons for requiring vaccinations for their employees and calls out states that have banned mask mandates: "What are we doing? COVID-19 is a national challenge. And we have to come together...as a country to solve it."[/QUOTE]

To be fair, somebody else wrote that while he probably looked in the mirror and said his name over and over to remember it.

[QUOTE=Reliance012;1644201113]It’s not detailed (meant for the general public) but the figure on bottom pg. 3 is helpful. Dane county data [url]https://publichealthmdc.com/documents/2021-07-29_data_snapshot.pdf[/url] The CDC apparently has similar preliminary results, but I’ve yet to see the data.

That said, the virus is almost certainly not replicating as extensively in the vaccinated group. What the CDC has claimed is that there are equal viral loads in specimens taken from the upper respiratory tract. That is not the same as equal viral loads throughout the body, such as in LRT where severe disease complications usually arise. Also they need to check for putatively replicating virus, not just rna.[/QUOTE]

For a PhD you are dumber than fuk. You should really take more micro.

Systemic immunity does not take place in the upper respiratory tract. That’s where the virus spreads from. Viral infections are a battle waged at the cellular level in the interstitial spaces by macro****es and white blood cells, and if at the intracellular level, the cells have identified enough genomic sequence of that specific antigen to create a cell mediated response. It’s way beyond a surface protein that wasn’t even known to be important to the virus. Learn more about the small things, the bigger picture will make a lot more sense.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644217413]
Now go get your booster, tater, you’re due on height and strength alone.[/QUOTE]

Getting stonrger every week without a booster.

Lets see you do a bottoms up squat at depth, starting from the bottom, that means no momentum with over 365?

And no belt or wraps, raw.

[QUOTE=LWW;1644196643]I don’t agree with sections in a restaurant but it’s better than turning the unvaccinated away.

Anyone who does should just be shot, there’s no hope in that type of humanity.[/QUOTE]

So, what you’re saying is; I could come as an unwelcome guest to your house, and if you decided you didn’t want me there, I’d be justified in shooting you? I don’t know man, I think you might be operating at a deficit, but sometimes your statements and beliefs are contradictory and antagonistic.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644218983]Good for you. I’m married, to a female, we do other stuff.[/QUOTE]


I didn't think you would or could.

[QUOTE=LWW;1644219213]I didn't think you would or could.[/QUOTE]

To put it bluntly, No Homo. This isn’t truth or dare brah.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644219853]To put it bluntly, No Homo. This isn’t truth or dare brah.[/QUOTE]


keep hiding, you use Covid to avoid training anyway, anything to not do it today.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644217593]
Systemic immunity does not take place in the upper respiratory tract. That’s where the virus spreads from. Viral infections are a battle waged at the cellular level in the interstitial spaces by macro****es and white blood cells, and if at the intracellular level, the cells have identified enough genomic sequence of that specific antigen to create a cell mediated response. It’s way beyond a surface protein that wasn’t even known to be important to the virus[/QUOTE]

Logged in to post this, you totally Walter Whited my Jesse Pinkman. :D

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644217593]For a PhD you are dumber than fuk. You should really take more micro.

Systemic immunity does not take place in the upper respiratory tract. That’s where the virus spreads from. Viral infections are a battle waged at the cellular level in the interstitial spaces by macro****es and white blood cells, and if at the intracellular level, the cells have identified enough genomic sequence of that specific antigen to create a cell mediated response. It’s way beyond a surface protein that wasn’t even known to be important to the virus. Learn more about the small things, the bigger picture will make a lot more sense.[/QUOTE]


This is expected of you. On more than one occasion I’ve seen you make elementary mistakes in your posts. I’ll correct them again. To add, your descriptions of basic immunology are shameful.

Pathogens have differential tissue tropism, and one of the factors that influences this tropism is how well the immune system, both innate and adaptive, control pathogen growth rates. Influenza for example is more likely to disseminate to and aggressively replicate in the lungs of immunocompromised hosts. Immunity induced through vaccination, both cell-mediated and humoral, can do the same thing. This is why for example, AstraZeneca’s vaccine did not significantly lower replicating virus in the URT but it did in the LRT of macaques during animal studies. By doing this it also reduced disease severity. Your comment about systemic immunity has no relevance. Immune players (including adaptive) are recruitable to tissues.

Some pro tips for next time: Don’t say macro****e and white blood cells. Macro****es are white blood cells. Also not all intracellular mechanisms for destroying pathogens are via cell-mediated responses. The rest of your post has no relevance. “It’s way beyond a surface protein that wasn’t even known to be important to the virus.” Trying way too hard my dude. The very obvious point of my post is that vaccine induced immunity can differentially affect pathogen replication in the lower vs upper respiratory tract. Do you deny this?

[QUOTE=LWW;1644183093]I knew you were stupid if you think I’m as stupid as that chick.

First of all, the mask is a feel good thing, you can still get this Thit even with a fuking mask. If I’m around someone vulnerable like inside thier home I will mask for their benefit, I won’t hiwever change my fuking culture to satasfy CHYNA or be a fuking moron and wear a mask alone outside.

The virus don’t spread by walking to your fuking table if that was the case there’s no point in even sitting down and removing the mask.[/QUOTE]

She’s not atall stupid. You’re another level

That name calling - wow. You’re worse than the grumpiest spoilt entitled momma’s boys and bishes. I’d love to see your drunk. You probably go home with two black eyes every time. Am I right or am I right?

[QUOTE=LWW;1644184093]LIsten up, you clowns want to talk about not passing science and the scientists, you azzholes forget that Fauci called masks a feel good thing.

That’s the only truth that mofo has told but CHYNA didn’t want that plus the masks are being made in CHYNA, believe want you want to numbnuts but the truth is in that haystack, the true believers you fukers are!!!![/QUOTE]

Everything you touch and wear and sleep on has origins in China. Cuz it’s cheaper to make it there.

They did it and they let it happen. I wonder why

[QUOTE=Reliance012;1644225853]This is expected of you. On more than one occasion I’ve seen you make elementary mistakes in your posts. I’ll correct them again. To add, your descriptions of basic immunology are shameful.

Pathogens have differential tissue tropism, and one of the factors that influences this tropism is how well the immune system, both innate and adaptive, control pathogen growth rates. Influenza for example is more likely to disseminate to and aggressively replicate in the lungs of immunocompromised hosts. Immunity induced through vaccination, both cell-mediated and humoral, can do the same thing. This is why for example, AstraZeneca’s vaccine did not significantly lower replicating virus in the URT but it did in the LRT of macaques during animal studies. By doing this it also reduced disease severity. Your comment about systemic immunity has no relevance. Immune players (including adaptive) are recruitable to tissues.

Some pro tips for next time: Don’t say macro****e and white blood cells. Macro****es are white blood cells. Also not all intracellular mechanisms for destroying pathogens are via cell-mediated responses. The rest of your post has no relevance. “It’s way beyond a surface protein that wasn’t even known to be important to the virus.” Trying way too hard my dude. The very obvious point of my post is that vaccine induced immunity can differentially affect pathogen replication in the lower vs upper respiratory tract. Do you deny this?[/QUOTE]

Well it's a forum and I'm not spending 3 hours copying and pasting things from medical journals, so there will be occasional mistakes. Macro****es are a type of white blood cell, part of the immune system, but not antigen specific as is the case with cell mediated response and long-term immunity. Disease severity can be lowered, but that doesn't necessarily change communicability of the virus, remember two weeks to flatten the curve cause asymptomatic spreaders? I argue that disease severity is pretty low if you don't know you have the virus. Do you agree? The virus infects more than the lungs, and I don't really care how Astra Zeneca and test monkeys. I don't follow the vaccine scene other than seeing that they are not doing a very good job currently in preventing infections/transmission. They do appear to reduce symptoms and risk of a sever outcome and I've posted that numerous times, but I have not looked into the physiological mechanism, in humans or monkeys.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644143513] it’d be financially stupid to move at this point.[/QUOTE]

This was my assumption.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/o3uduQL.jpg[/img]



Actress Jennifer Aniston recently said people who are not yet vaccinated against COVID-19 “just don’t listen to facts” and mostly base their opinions on “fear or propaganda” and revealed that she’s cut ties with the unvaccinated.

Taking it a step further, Aniston said that it’s a “moral and professional obligation” for the unvaccinated to identify themselves in public settings.

“There’s still a large group of people who are anti-vaxxers or just don’t listen to the facts. It’s a real shame,” the former “Friends” actress told InStyle. “I’ve just lost a few people in my weekly routine who have refused or did not disclose [whether or not they had been vaccinated], and it was unfortunate.”

“I feel it’s your moral and professional obligation to inform, since we’re not all podded up and being tested every single day,” the 52-year-old added. “It’s tricky because everyone is entitled to their own opinion — but a lot of opinions don’t feel based in anything except fear or propaganda.”

[img]https://i.imgur.com/m2TiCoV.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644238603]“It’s tricky because everyone is entitled to their own opinion — but a lot of opinions don’t feel based in anything except fear or propaganda.”[/QUOTE]

Big pharma clearly got to her. And the irony here is palpable.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644238603][img]https://i.imgur.com/o3uduQL.jpg[/img]



Actress Jennifer Aniston recently said people who are not yet vaccinated against COVID-19 “just don’t listen to facts” and mostly base their opinions on “fear or propaganda” and revealed that she’s cut ties with the unvaccinated.

Taking it a step further, Aniston said that it’s a “moral and professional obligation” for the unvaccinated to identify themselves in public settings.

“There’s still a large group of people who are anti-vaxxers or just don’t listen to the facts. It’s a real shame,” the former “Friends” actress told InStyle. “I’ve just lost a few people in my weekly routine who have refused or did not disclose [whether or not they had been vaccinated], and it was unfortunate.”

“I feel it’s your moral and professional obligation to inform, since we’re not all podded up and being tested every single day,” the 52-year-old added. “It’s tricky because everyone is entitled to their own opinion — but a lot of opinions don’t feel based in anything except fear or propaganda.”[/QUOTE]

lol @ fear of government tyranny and the collectivist mindset being "immoral" and propaganda.

lol @ a celebrity living by the same rules as everyone else and being out of touch with reality. Compliance among the elite is different than compliance of the poor and blue collars.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644234483]Well it's a forum and I'm not spending 3 hours copying and pasting things from medical journals, so there will be occasional mistakes. Macro****es are a type of white blood cell, part of the immune system, but not antigen specific as is the case with cell mediated response and long-term immunity. Disease severity can be lowered, but that doesn't necessarily change communicability of the virus, remember two weeks to flatten the curve cause asymptomatic spreaders? I argue that disease severity is pretty low if you don't know you have the virus. Do you agree? The virus infects more than the lungs, and I don't really care how Astra Zeneca and test monkeys. I don't follow the vaccine scene other than seeing that they are not doing a very good job currently in preventing infections/transmission. They do appear to reduce symptoms and risk of a sever outcome and I've posted that numerous times, but I have not looked into the physiological mechanism, in humans or monkeys.[/QUOTE]

You're ignoring an enormous portion of the immune system simply because most of the preliminary research on SARS CoV2 has focused on cellular and not humoral immunity. On top of the fact that we have NALT and BALT, it would be foolish to assume cytokines, secretory IgA, and a host of other immune responses utilized by your nasal mucosa don't have an effect on infection or transmission. It's important to know what we don't know, and not make statements that imply what we don't completely understand yet isn't relevant. Humoral immunity is probably very important against CoV2.

You say the vaccines don't seem to be preventing infection/transmission well, but that's a very vague statement. The R numbers are hugely affected by behavior. It's not all about the vaccines, which is why masks are still important. Especially when we don't have a vaccine against the strain with the highest R naught.

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Particularly dangerous for the elderly and women in their 20s.

I have no idea what y'all talking aboot viral loads etc. and can't even do sober math crew. which is like a disability but that's another topic.

So, 70% of population has had at least one dose and of those rest, probably half has natural immunity from virus or are kids? Why are those unvaxxed being bullied so much, I mean it is getting weird at this point.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1644245593]You're ignoring an enormous portion of the immune system simply because most of the preliminary research on SARS CoV2 has focused on cellular and not humoral immunity. On top of the fact that we have NALT and BALT, it would be foolish to assume cytokines, secretory IgA, and a host of other immune responses utilized by your nasal mucosa don't have an effect on infection or transmission. It's important to know what we don't know, and not make statements that imply what we don't completely understand yet isn't relevant. Humoral immunity is probably very important against CoV2.

[b]You say the vaccines don't seem to be preventing infection/transmission well, but that's a very vague statement. The R numbers are hugely affected by behavior. It's not all about the vaccines, which is why masks are still important. Especially when we don't have a vaccine against the strain with the highest R naught. [/b][/QUOTE]

Yes there are a lot of things not fully understood in immunology.

As for the bolded, my point is that's a pretty $hity "vaccine" then. More like a preemptive treatment. Vaccines are supposed to create immunity, correct? So when they don't, is that called a "vaccine failure"? I'm glad the smallpox vaccine was more effective than this. I still 100% agree it has benefits and at risk people should get it for the reduction of chance of a bad outcome, but the push for everyone to get vaccinated with a vaccine that doesn't prevent infection, and doesn't prevent transmission seems kind of silly, don't you think? It's available for those who want it, it will likely reduce their course of illness, but it is not without risk in and of itself (as is the case with about everything).

Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.

Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.

[url]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm[/url]