Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1639758853]Just wait until Bill Gates activates your nano bots and controls you like remote control car. Then you’ll be singing a different tune; Literally- It makes people sing Microsoft songs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1639761803]I heard that was the hardest bit. They had the virus ready for several years, but it couldn't be released until the nano vaccine was finished.

(Steve Jobs was changing his mind about it and wanted to use Apple nano chips, that's why Bill Gates had to get rid of him and make it look natural causes).

Anyway, the first releases of the vaccine, people kept making the Windows® noises when they woke up or fell asleep. They managed to get a hotfix for it late summer 2019, only just in time for the October release date!![/QUOTE]

Fkn chit no wonder I hear windows 95 startup and shutdown sounds when I wake up and fall asleep. Sometimes it’s NT sounds.

Then there are times I just endlessly get stuck in a poses and turn blue until someone restarts me by laying me down and wake up after a short power nap. Sounds familiar? (Windows blue screen of death)

What have I done?!?

My second vaccine was a nightmare. Fever, bone aches, painful arm. I somehow made it through work Thursday and Friday but I was really cranky. I started feeling better yesterday.

I mostly got it because I care for my elderly family and I want to ditch the mask. I live in California so I bet they will check our vaccine cards before we enter stores or some crazy rule.

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1639762833]Fkn chit no wonder I hear windows 95 startup and shutdown sounds when I wake up and fall asleep. Sometimes it’s NT sounds.
!?[/QUOTE]

No, you are hearing win 95 and NT because you are still one of the guys that still uses outdated OS, I hope you don’t use them at your job, if so, I hope they are isolated from everything else.

[QUOTE=DustinTheHuss;1639764813]My second vaccine was a nightmare. Fever, bone aches, painful arm. I somehow made it through work Thursday and Friday but I was really cranky. I started feeling better yesterday.

I mostly got it because I care for my elderly family and I want to ditch the mask. I live in California so I bet they will check our vaccine cards before we enter stores or some crazy rule.[/QUOTE]

We just had my wife’s grandparents over for my son’s birthday. Her grandpa has lingering leg issues for a month now, bone aches etc from second Pfizer dose. I hadn’t herd of that until today. Most people I’ve talked to who had side effects just have covid like symptoms (muscle aches, fatigue, fever etc) that clear in a day or so. He’s actually regretting it a bit. Her grandma had no sides and we believe she had covid (hospitalized for “pneumonia” when we suspect we had it in January of 20).

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1639741713]Is that big enough a sample size for you to determine adverse LONG TERM effects? Atleast some out of the hundreds of millions would experience the “long term” effects rather early. [/QUOTE]

I'm sorry but this is a pretty dumb statement. You can't deduce long term effects by increasing sample size any more than you can ask 9 women to have a baby in 1 month.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1639769353]We just had my wife’s grandparents over for my son’s birthday. Her grandpa has lingering leg issues for a month now, bone aches etc from second Pfizer dose...[/QUOTE]

How long between the 1st and 2nd dose?

[QUOTE=LWW;1639621633]Around here the radio station plays a song every Xmas called “Essex Wonderland” it involves beer cans as Xmas tree ornients......

Btw I just googled Dundalk Barbie, never knew that was a thing, but I didn’t date THAT DBarbie, the one I knew was more 1980s, but it was still funny as chit seeing the real Barbie from Dundalk with those two kids.......[/QUOTE]

There's places in Essex that have beer cans at Christmas but not many Christmas trees. There are also placed in Essex that have Ferrari on the drive. Depending which bit of Essex, your song could have been written about the Essex over here

If you save up, you could buy a house like this...
[url]https://rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=96500822&sale=11786143&country=england[/url]

Edit: this is the realtor (estate agent) photos to make it look good!!!!

[QUOTE=supramax;1639776233]How long between the 1st and 2nd dose?[/QUOTE]
4 weeks/standard.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1639758853]Just wait until Bill Gates activates your nano bots and controls you like remote control car. Then you’ll be singing a different tune; Literally- It makes people sing Microsoft songs.[/QUOTE]

I woke up this morning and that Windows boot up noise came out of my butt. Is it over for me?

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1639778143]4 weeks/standard.[/QUOTE]

That's a decent amount of time; certainly not too soon. I just read that the 16 weeks Quebecers were supposed to wait between Pfizer doses is going to be somewhat shortened.

[QUOTE=supramax;1639783303]That's a decent amount of time; certainly not too soon. I just read that the 16 weeks Quebecers were supposed to wait between Pfizer doses is going to be somewhat shortened.[/QUOTE]

Why would they be doing 16 weeks between? I thought efficacy studies were done with 28 days between the doses. Is that just due to socialized medicine backlogs?

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1639783623]Why would they be doing 16 weeks between? I thought efficacy studies were done with 28 days between the doses. Is that just due to socialized medicine backlogs?[/QUOTE]

I think the original thought was to get as many people a first dose as possible. I don't remember the number, but apparently, after the first dose it's a very small percentage of the population that can contract the virus and even then, the severity is profoundly reduced.

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1639776563]There's places in Essex that have beer cans at Christmas but not many Christmas trees. There are also placed in Essex that have Ferrari on the drive. Depending which bit of Essex, your song could have been written about the Essex over here

If you save up, you could buy a house like this...
[url]https://rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=96500822&sale=11786143&country=england[/url]

Edit: this is the realtor (estate agent) photos to make it look good!!!![/QUOTE]

OK, here is an Essex story for ya, (one of fuking MANY), when I was 15-16 me and my crew when out partying and found ourselves over someone's house in Essex (I didn't know the kid), so we are hanging out in the living room and the dudes mom comes in half ripped, she goes up stairs and I look up at the top of the steps and she's got her skirt up and I see a hairy bush shaking for us, the dude gets up and is goes, mom stop that chit and get ur azz to bed...............

I go to the bathroom and there's the biggest fuking hole in the floor, you had to stand extra wide over the hole in the floor to take a leak, them don't get me started on the roaches, everytime I went for a beer........****ing roaches in the fridge.

.......I said guys, we gots to go...........

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1639769353]We just had my wife’s grandparents over for my son’s birthday. Her grandpa has lingering leg issues for a month now, bone aches etc from second Pfizer dose. I hadn’t herd of that until today. Most people I’ve talked to who had side effects just have covid like symptoms (muscle aches, fatigue, fever etc) that clear in a day or so. He’s actually regretting it a bit.[/QUOTE]

My appetite has been off since the 2nd Moderna dose on April 1st. I've cooked food and not eaten it, thrown out 1/2 of a perfectly good meal and can go 20 hours without eating and still not be hungry. Needless to say this isn't good for a heavy weightlifter. I've been doing a protein shake during my workouts but it's still rare for me to get 80g a day when I should be getting 300g. Oddly enough my workouts haven't really suffered.

[QUOTE=Bando;1639794953]My appetite has been off since the 2nd Moderna dose on April 1st. I've cooked food and not eaten it, thrown out 1/2 of a perfectly good meal and can go 20 hours without eating and still not be hungry. Needless to say this isn't good for a heavy weightlifter. I've been doing a protein shake during my workouts but it's still rare for me to get 80g a day when I should be getting 300g. Oddly enough my workouts haven't really suffered.[/QUOTE]
You took an experimental vaccine brah. It comes with the territory. Hope you back to normal soon.

[QUOTE=Bando;1639794953]My appetite has been off since the 2nd Moderna dose on April 1st. I've cooked food and not eaten it, thrown out 1/2 of a perfectly good meal and can go 20 hours without eating and still not be hungry. Needless to say this isn't good for a heavy weightlifter. I've been doing a protein shake during my workouts but it's still rare for me to get 80g a day when I should be getting 300g. Oddly enough my workouts haven't really suffered.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1639797793]You took an experimental vaccine brah. It comes with the territory. Hope you back to normal soon.[/QUOTE]

Had one spike where I was absolutely famished when I woke up, had bacon, eggs and toast. About 2 minutes in the eggs started tasting funny, that may just be that they were homegrown but I usually like homegrown eggs. That was the only time I ate breakfast since my 2nd shot and breakfast has always been my favorite meal.

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1639741713]Is that big enough a sample size for you to determine adverse LONG TERM effects? Atleast some out of the hundreds of millions would experience the “long term” effects rather early.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ectoBgone;1639772473]I'm sorry but this is a pretty dumb statement. You can't deduce long term effects by increasing sample size any more than you can ask 9 women to have a baby in 1 month.[/QUOTE]

The funny thing here is that you're both right. The reason Ecto is saying TryingBB's statement is silly is due to an assumption that long term side effects occur after a long period of time. If there is going to be some side effect that won't show up until years after someone got their vaccine, we couldn't know about it now.

The reason TryingBB is correct is because long term side effects are actually side effects that are long lasting, and there has never been one from a vaccine that hasn't shown up within 4 months of getting the vaccination.

There have been vaccines with long term side effects. For example, with the live attenuated polio vaccine, a very small number of people got polio. The risk of getting it from the vaccine was less than the risk of catching the virus, but it was a long term side effect. There was also, possibly, an association between one of the flu vaccines and narcolepsy. I don't think anyone is sure the up-tick in narcolepsy was due to the vaccine, but it might have been. Again, that potential long term side effect was detectable early and if it was associated with Pandemrix, it was due to a cross reactivity of antibodies to the vaccine and hypocretin, and we could find cross reactive antibodies in the people who got the flu too.

To get emergency use authorization the average follow up had to be 2 months. To get full authorization it had to be 6 months. I would have to go look to see if the total follow up on those studies is 1 or 2 years, but we know the mechanism of action of the vaccines we're using and we have enough data to be very confident there aren't any long term side effects.

Happy to answer any questions about this if I can. Also, to whoever posted the link about how long it used to take to develop a vaccine, that story at the beginning was in a way about a horse called Jim, and it's very sad. Google a horse called Jim if you like, but it's a sad story if you do.

[QUOTE=ectoBgone;1639772473]I'm sorry but this is a pretty dumb statement. You can't deduce long term effects by increasing sample size any more than you can ask 9 women to have a baby in 1 month.[/QUOTE]

I beg to differ.

No mother can have a baby in 1 month.

Vs

Hundreds of Millions have been vaccinated already. This started 5 to 6 months ago if you recall.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1639781013]I woke up this morning and that Windows boot up noise came out of my butt. Is it over for me?[/QUOTE]

Genetics seem to have an impact on where the sound comes from. Most people are experiencing sound making from their mouths but no one is judging you my dear sir. Lol

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1639807113]I beg to differ. ...[/QUOTE] I disagree that this is a concern, but [b]playing Devil's advocate[/b] there is an argument there. Take the examples of moderate exposure levels (moderate by 1970s standards) to Asbestos (crysotile/white) or passive cigarette smoking Over a 6 month period or even 2 years there'd be no statistically significant data to show any link with the exposure to them and to developing mesothelioma/small cell lung cancer, the pattern would only be revealed in much longer term data.

It is a logically sound argument, although I don't believe significant/plausible issue with Covid vaccination. To quote [i]not actually from Aristotle as people may tell you[/i] "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it"

[QUOTE=LWW;1639784093]OK, here is an Essex story for ya .......I said guys, we gots to go...........[/QUOTE] The original Essex will be proud of your nearby area named after it, I'm sure ;)

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1639807113]I beg to differ.

No mother can have a baby in 1 month. [/QUOTE]

Yes, you are getting close to understanding the point now!

[QUOTE=Bando;1639802343]Had one spike where I was absolutely famished when I woke up, had bacon, eggs and toast. About 2 minutes in the eggs started tasting funny, that may just be that they were homegrown but I usually like homegrown eggs. That was the only time I ate breakfast since my 2nd shot and breakfast has always been my favorite meal.[/QUOTE]

Well you won’t get corona and you won’t kill someone else.....

Who cares if you can’t enjoy eating again, eating is selfish.

Good boy, your gov is proud.

PS eggs are the devil westner food, Spaticous says so.....

[QUOTE=Bando;1639794953]My appetite has been off since the 2nd Moderna dose on April 1st. I've cooked food and not eaten it, thrown out 1/2 of a perfectly good meal and can go 20 hours without eating and still not be hungry. Needless to say this isn't good for a heavy weightlifter. I've been doing a protein shake during my workouts but it's still rare for me to get 80g a day when I should be getting 300g. Oddly enough my workouts haven't really suffered.[/QUOTE]
When I had covid I had zero appetite, like at all. I thought it was great because it was before the fatigue really kicked in and was early January so it made early 2020 diet a breeze. Was eating a few whey shakes to hit protein and that was about it. Hopefully it will come back, otherwise hit your base macros and get shredded without the hunger.

[QUOTE=LWW;1639819183]Well you won’t get corona and you won’t kill someone else.....

Who cares if you can’t enjoy eating again, eating is selfish.

Good boy, your gov is proud.

PS eggs are the devil westner food, Spaticous says so.....[/QUOTE]

The government is okay, that's not the problem. Go live in North Korea or somewhere else if you want to see a bad government. Literally nothing happens to you here ya candy ass spoiled lil teddy bear.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1639835463]The government is okay, that's not the problem. Go live in North Korea or somewhere else if you want to see a bad government. Literally nothing happens to you here ya candy ass spoiled lil teddy bear.[/QUOTE]

Tried repping but on spread with you...

Only if they knew how good they have it here

[QUOTE=Cass40;1639835463].. North Korea or somewhere else if you want to see a bad government...[/QUOTE]
The world has so many of them, you don't need to go anywhere as far as N Korea :(

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1639836903]The world has so many of them, you don't need to go anywhere as far as N Korea :([/QUOTE]

True. Makes me wonder don't these people who relentlessly complain about government know anything about what's going on in the world or history in general if they spend their days complaining about America. Everyone wants to come here..if we're so bad and corrupt and racist, why is everyone trying to come here and put their lives in danger to come live here?

I'm not American but I see the US edging the wrong direction. It's not just the govt. It's also the media and the education system.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1639835463]The government is okay, that's not the problem. Go live in North Korea or somewhere else if you want to see a bad government. Literally nothing happens to you here ya candy ass spoiled lil teddy bear.[/QUOTE]

You mean China too, owners of the American Basketball league called NBA, watch the players take back their free speech cause China says so.

PS, you are miss understanding, I kiss the ground here right now, but I also use my rights to express what is wrong right now, if we don't, we will loose it. We are slowly, ask the gym owner who goes to jail for opening his gym and government says close it and won't even pay them, yet bail reform for a car jacker, yet ok, you got kids ? Don't sound like it, I don't, but I care about American kids being able to live like Americans, like how "I' grew up.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1639837393]True. Makes me wonder don't these people who relentlessly complain about government know anything about what's going on in the world or history in general if they spend their days complaining about America. Everyone wants to come here..if we're so bad and corrupt and racist, why is everyone trying to come here and put their lives in danger to come live here?[/QUOTE]

I grew up in America, did you? You live in CA, CA along with areas around me are turning into those places people flee from, there were never hacked up bodies around my county growing up, but they are now, these are from gangs.

I don't hate America, but I hate the ones looking to change and make it worse.

[QUOTE=LWW;1639848833]I grew up in America, did you? You live in CA, CA along with areas around me are turning into those places people flee from, there were never hacked up bodies around my county growing up, but they are now, these are from gangs.

I don't hate America, but I hate the ones looking to change and make it worse.[/QUOTE]

So what are you doing as an individual to make a difference? Other than complaining on here a couple of times a day how are you expressing your rights? Perhaps run for office in local elections on libertarian ideals ? Advocate for libertarian principles in front of your county commissioners, city council? Did you even vote?

[QUOTE=7Seconds;1639849133]So what are you doing as an individual to make a difference? Other than complaining on here a couple of times a day how are you expressing your rights? Perhaps run for office in local elections on libertarian ideals ? Advocate for libertarian principles in front of your county commissioners, city council? Did you even vote?[/QUOTE]

I don't even get why you wanna be a libertarian. As far as I can tell, you're like the most informed person so you well know how this system we have here works better than anywhere else. I mean everything works..your house burns down, the fire department comes, cops come when you call them, ambulance arrives if you call 911.. I could write til the cows come how how everything works but you want to go do it on your own? Why?

[QUOTE=7Seconds;1639849133]So what are you doing as an individual to make a difference? Other than complaining on here a couple of times a day how are you expressing your rights? Perhaps run for office in local elections on libertarian ideals ? Advocate for libertarian principles in front of your county commissioners, city council? Did you even vote?[/QUOTE]

I already told Chaz, yelling and cursing on here helps, makes me feel better to call someone a commie pile of thit!!!

Don't worry I'm looking into most of the above, once I finish my masters degree, and of course I vote, I stood in line, in the rain to try and stop Biden.................

Since I do vote I can tell Bando to stop crying because he voted for all his complaints....................

Also, my post to Bando (the one Cass replied too) was a total Parady anyway, just fuking off, didn't think it would get that serious, this tells me Americans are truly in a hurting state........................

[QUOTE=Cass40;1639850003]I don't even get why you wanna be a libertarian. As far as I can tell, you're like the most informed person so you well know how this system we have here works better than anywhere else. I mean everything works..your house burns down, the fire department comes, cops come when you call them, ambulance arrives if you call 911.. I could write til the cows come how how everything works but you want to go do it on your own? Why?[/QUOTE]

So yeah I’m a libertarian in that I support the political ideal that values limited government but I’m not an anarchist. I don’t think anyone really knows exactly how much government is necessary. Zero is certainly not the answer because zero creates a power vacuum that will be filled sooner rather than later. But I think it is clear that governments tend to creep towards protecting themselves. Their very existence makes them defend their existence and grab for more authority to do that.

Limiting the federal government and making government as local as possible would be a good start.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1639850003] how this system we have here works better than anywhere else. I mean everything works..your house burns down, the fire department comes, cops come when you call them, ambulance arrives if you call 911.. I could write til the cows come how how everything works but you want to go do it on your own? Why?[/QUOTE]

Americas system still works because not everyone is commie/socialist yet, YET is the key word, your WHY sounds like taking it for granted..............

It mostly works because of how taxes get distributed, right now certain people in power want to change pay the police, these same people complain about police being militarized, however those SAME people will send the military to arrest YOU once they get rid of the police for owning a weapon they don't want even though YOU have a 2nd amendment and THEY have thier own security with THOSE weapons PLUS the military......look at D.C. post Jan 6th, says it all..............

[QUOTE=LWW;1639852893]Americas system still works because not everyone is commie/socialist yet, YET is the key word, your WHY sounds like taking it for granted..............

It mostly works because of how taxes get distributed, right now certain people in power want to change pay the police, these same people complain about police being militarized, however those SAME people will send the military to arrest YOU once they get rid of the police for owning a weapon they don't want even though YOU have a 2nd amendment and THEY have thier own security with THOSE weapons PLUS the military......look at D.C. post Jan 6th, says it all..............[/QUOTE]

I will say again that I don’t think you know what socialism is if you think Democrats are socialist.

BLM and antifa are socialists and the Dems are playing with fire running cover for them.

[QUOTE=LWW;1639852893]Americas system still works because not everyone is commie/socialist yet, YET is the key word, your WHY sounds like taking it for granted..............

It mostly works because of how taxes get distributed, right now certain people in power want to change pay the police, these same people complain about police being militarized, however those SAME people will send the military to arrest YOU once they get rid of the police for owning a weapon they don't want even though YOU have a 2nd amendment and THEY have thier own security with THOSE weapons PLUS the military......look at D.C. post Jan 6th, says it all..............[/QUOTE]

There are no commies here dumdum. There are two main parties and they switch all the time..not one party stays in power indefinitely. Would you like only your party stay in power forever? Is that democracy to you?

[QUOTE=Cass40;1639854813]There are no commies here dumdum. There are two main parties and they switch all the time..not one party stays in power indefinitely. Would you like only your party stay in power forever? Is that democracy to you?[/QUOTE]

They're both asshoe. The swamp needs an enema.

[QUOTE=TolerantLactose;1639855543]They're both asshoe. The swamp needs an enema.[/QUOTE]

Nope they're not. North Korea is an asshoe. America is great.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1639855733]Nope they're not. North Korea is an asshoe. America is great.[/QUOTE]

Didn't say anything about the country.

[QUOTE=TolerantLactose;1639856003]Didn't say anything about the country.[/QUOTE]

But those are the parties we have that run things, no? What is better? Just one party? No political party at all? I actually don't know anything about politics. I only know that Finland had social democratic government which was great. Now I live here and it's pretty much the same thing. Much better than any other places have ever had in history or currently have in other places.

[QUOTE=7Seconds;1639854133]I will say again that I don’t think you know what socialism is if you think Democrats are socialist.[/QUOTE]

I never ever said Democrats were socialists where did I even say that in the quote?

I said once everyone or most everyone in this country becomes socialists/commies, this does not mean Democrat....

I grew up in a time when things were much better, Bill Clinton a Democrat was president, trump was his buddy who also was democratic.

I know the difference between now than growing up, It was better than socialism, I think Cass was in Finland at the time?

Almost half of America seem socialist? I may be wrong, but it seems that way, and we are seeing the hits, 7seconds, look at your cost of living hiking.

[QUOTE=LWW;1639858623]I never ever said Democrats were socialists where did I even say that in the quote?

I said once everyone or most everyone in this country becomes socialists/commies, this does not mean Democrat....

I grew up in a time when things were much better, Bill Clinton a Democrat was president, trump was his buddy who also was democratic.

I know the difference between now than growing up, It was better than socialism, I think Cass was in Finland at the time?

Almost half of America seem socialist? I may be wrong, but it seems that way, and we are seeing the hits, 7seconds, look at your cost of living hiking.[/QUOTE]

Ok, if you believe almost half of America seems socialist then again I don’t think you know what socialism is. Perhaps Cass explaining to you the difference between a socialist and a social democrat would be a start. And then we could go into democratic socialism and then your favorite, communism.

[QUOTE=7Seconds;1639859063]Ok, if you believe almost half of America seems socialist then again I don’t think you know what socialism is. Perhaps Cass explaining to you the difference between a socialist and a social democrat would be a start. And then we could go into democratic socialism and then your favorite, communism.[/QUOTE]

Lol I don't know anything about politics but I do think that Finnish people think America has no social services but that's not even true. If we're poor, we get government help the same way Finns do. There's not that much difference. There's a balance. Not too much socialism but still enough to help people.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1639859303]Lol I don't know anything about politics but I do think that Finnish people think America has no social services but that's not even true. If we're poor, we get government help the same way Finns do. There's not that much difference. There's a balance. Not too much socialism but still enough to help people.[/QUOTE]

Ok. You are not helping. And I thought you claimed to be a communist anyway.

[QUOTE=7Seconds;1639860093]Ok. You are not helping. And I thought you claimed to be a communist anyway.[/QUOTE]

I am and Trump was the communist president extraordinaire. He gave all of us the same unemployment and stimmy checks. :p

[QUOTE=Cass40;1639856603]But those are the parties we have that run things, no? What is better? Just one party? No political party at all? I actually don't know anything about politics. I only know that Finland had social democratic government which was great. Now I live here and it's pretty much the same thing. Much better than any other places have ever had in history or currently have in other places.[/QUOTE]

They are not the country.

Put a hard cap on election spending. Eliminate third party or "non-partisan" spending. It's telling that hundreds of millions are spent on positions that nominally pay a fraction of that. It's also telling that top members of both parties become insanely rich while in office.

[QUOTE=TolerantLactose;1639860433]They are not the country.

Put a hard cap on election spending. Eliminate third party or "non-partisan" spending. It's telling that hundreds of millions are spent on positions that nominally pay a fraction of that. It's also telling that top members of both parties become insanely rich while in office.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I dunno know what I'm talking aboot tbh but that has never prevented me from conversating hehe. I just wanted to pose an opposing view for a change. :)

[QUOTE=TolerantLactose;1639860433]They are not the country.

Put a hard cap on election spending. Eliminate third party or "non-partisan" spending. It's telling that hundreds of millions are spent on positions that nominally pay a fraction of that. It's also telling that top members of both parties become insanely rich while in office.[/QUOTE]

What do you mean by eliminate third party spending?