Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=ChazWood;1636099603]FWIW, this dude raises some solid points which give me cause for concern.

[url=https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18-reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine]18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine[/url]

Can't find any credentials on the dude, but he provides many seemingly legit references to support his points, which at the very least offer useful sources of information for independent analysis.[/QUOTE]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but if you are going to read that link (I just skimmed the begining to make my judgement) keep in mind the bias of the person writing their article. It should be obvious and seem extreme. You are right, he makes some points that are good information for someone making their own decision, although the bias should be equally considered as his many biased claims are somewhat laughable to me. In the end I am not seeing any hard evidence here that directly leads to indicating risk of getting vaccinated outweighs benefits.

As far as the poster I replied to I do not know his post history as I am in and out of this thread but anyone saying something like "They rushed an unapproved, limited tested vaccine" will make me question their knowledge on the subject because I believe that to be false until I am provided with information proving otherwise. It's a pretty bold seemingly factual statement many people are making without evidence (that I am aware of).

[QUOTE=mgftp;1636098773]Appears all 3 approved vaccines in the US have gone through the standard clinical trial and FDA approval process from what I can see. Do you have some other information you can share with us?[/QUOTE]

There was nothing standard about it. Look up EUA.

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1636099893]So what was the alternative?[/QUOTE]

Herd immunity and continue with our lives. Let nature do it's thing.

This is not that serious of a virus, arguably a little worse than the flu. Are we really going to take this approach every time a virus gets loose?

A virus is a pretty standard way to die. Most of my grandparents died in their mid 90s, all were viruses. They should have died long before that from pneumonia or the flu, but modern medicine is extending lives further than our brains can function.

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1636099893]I totally respect your decision even if I disagree w/ your reasoning. Also no argument from me about the immunity given to companies although I do understand the reasoning behind it.

And just because this "amazing vaccine" isnt 100% at preventing c19 are you suggesting we just toss it? Its already shown to drastically limit the spread and the severity if you were to get rona. In an ideal world we would have had more time to test it long term but we all know that wasn't the case. So what was the alternative?[/QUOTE]

Just as with masking, it is all about relative risk rather than black/white yes/no that so many seem to get caught in here.
The vaccine (was with most vaccines) doesn't 100% prevent contracting the illness, but there is pretty strong evidence so far that is hugely reduces risk.... and that while there are adverse reactions (as with ALL medical interventions), on balance the number of deaths and illnesses prevented is highly significant.

I get that folks don't want to be a guinea pig, and agree that this was certainly 'rushed' compared to the usual process.

So far what I'm seeing is pretty positive for the population as a whole.

[QUOTE=_zman;1636102913]There was nothing standard about it. Look up EUA.



Herd immunity and continue with our lives. Let nature do it's thing.

This is not that serious of a virus, arguably a little worse than the flu. Are we really going to take this approach every time a virus gets loose?

A virus is a pretty standard way to die. Most of my grandparents died in their mid 90s, all were viruses. They should have died long before that from pneumonia or the flu, but modern medicine is extending lives further than our brains can function.[/QUOTE]


Glad you are just an armchair quarter back and not in charge virus related issues on a large scale.

[QUOTE=_zman;1636102913]There was nothing standard about it. Look up EUA.



Herd immunity and continue with our lives. Let nature do it's thing.

This is not that serious of a virus, arguably a little worse than the flu. Are we really going to take this approach every time a virus gets loose?

A virus is a pretty standard way to die. Most of my grandparents died in their mid 90s, all were viruses. They should have died long before that from pneumonia or the flu, but modern medicine is extending lives further than our brains can function.[/QUOTE]

The poster I responded to said "They rushed an unapproved, limited tested vaccine"

EUA certainly doesn't mean unapproved, the vaccines still must be FDA approved. Limited testing can be argued. I guess my issue with what people that seem anti vaccine say is it often implies there were no clinical trials done when that certainly isn't the case.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1636103883]Glad you are just an armchair quarter back and not in charge virus related issues on a large scale.[/QUOTE]

I work in the medical field. A lot of us are shunned to voice our opinions, similar to what you're doing now. Oh well, honestly. We're all free to have our own opinions on life. God forbid we ever let nature take it's course. Or was this nature related? We still don't know that either.

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1636097313]Something else "amazing". When C19 started parrots were saying it was less lethal than the flu and more people die from the OG flu. Now, you don't hear that tired argument anymore. But 6 cases out of almost 7m shots and here come the anti vax brigade...[/QUOTE]


Is it really amazing?

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1636103883]Glad you are just an armchair quarter back and not in charge virus related issues on a large scale.[/QUOTE]

I Would rather have that arm chair guy in charge than you or your guy Fauci!

[QUOTE=mgftp;1636104163]The poster I responded to said "They rushed an unapproved, limited tested vaccine"

EUA certainly doesn't mean unapproved, the vaccines still must be FDA approved. Limited testing can be argued. I guess my issue with what people that seem anti vaccine say is it often implies there were no clinical trials done when that certainly isn't the case.[/QUOTE]

Limited testing? Out of almost 7 million J&J vaccine receivers, 6 WOMEN aged 18-48 developed blood clots. Hmmm..

Maybe it's impossible to have 7 million people in clinical trials before you release the vaccine lol.

Btw..critical thinking challenge...what is something that most women 18-48 do that also may increase the risk of blood clots?

[QUOTE=LWW;1636105363]I Would rather have that arm chair guy in charge than you or your guy Fauci![/QUOTE]


of course you do, birds of a feather.. You are another one that I am glad isn't in a position of power.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1636105473]Limited testing? Out of almost 7 million J&J vaccine receivers, 6 WOMEN aged 18-48 developed blood clots. Hmmm..

Maybe it's impossible to have 7 million people in clinical trials before you release the vaccine lol.

Btw..critical thinking challenge...what is something that most women 18-48 do that also may increase the risk of blood clots?[/QUOTE]

I find the all women thing interesting, I wonder why that is?

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1636106123]I find the all women thing interesting, I wonder why that is?[/QUOTE]

Think.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1636106313]Think.[/QUOTE]

ha ha

Answer

get your swimsuit ready.......

[url]www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9465679/Health-Swimming-pool-water-inactivate-COVID-19-virus-just-30-SECONDS-study-finds.html[/url]

Chlorinated swimming pool water can kill COVID virus in just 30 SECONDS, study finds

[img]https://www.hackensackmeridianhealth.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/HMH_2020COVID19_AcceleratedVaccineInfographic_v8-1.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Cass40;1636106313]Think.[/QUOTE]

lmao

Asking a lot of your average miscer.

Who here wants to die from blood clots? Any volunteer please email Johnson and Johnson for more information.

Took the pcr-test today after some coughing a few days. Probably nothing, but wanna make sure so don't spread any. If it is my time, I leave all my booty pics to IC.

[QUOTE=steffo99;1636110343]Took the pcr-test today after some coughing a few days. Probably nothing, but wanna make sure so don't spread any. If it is my time, I leave all my booty pics to IC.[/QUOTE]

Good luck brother hope it's nothing..

[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1636110203]Who here wants to die from blood clots? Any volunteer please email Johnson and Johnson for more information.[/QUOTE]

You have a two-hundred thousand times lower chance of getting blood clots from the vaccine than from Covid.

And one of the women who got the blood clots from the vaccine, again it's out of 7 million who got the vaccine, died. That's one too many, but if you want to die from blood clots, there are many ways to do it with better odds.

[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1636103513]Just as with masking, it is all about relative risk rather than black/white yes/no that so many seem to get caught in here.
The vaccine (was with most vaccines) doesn't 100% prevent contracting the illness, but there is pretty strong evidence so far that is hugely reduces risk.... and that while there are adverse reactions (as with ALL medical interventions), on balance the number of deaths and illnesses prevented is highly significant.

I get that folks don't want to be a guinea pig, and agree that this was certainly 'rushed' compared to the usual process.

So far what I'm seeing is pretty positive for the population as a whole.[/QUOTE]

Good post. (On spread)

[QUOTE=_zman;1636102913]

Herd immunity and continue with our lives. Let nature do it's thing. [/QUOTE]

Well that was working out real well.

[QUOTE]This is not that serious of a virus, arguably a little worse than the flu. Are we really going to take this approach every time a virus gets loose? [/QUOTE]

I commend you for sticking to that weak comparison to the flu. In the face of all the evidence to the contrary you're just going to go w/that argument?

Hopefully when the next one hits we've learned a thing or two and have an adult in charge. The Rock would have just dropped the Peoples Elbow on c19 and we'd be back to normal.

Rock 2024

[QUOTE]
A virus is a pretty standard way to die. Most of my grandparents died in their mid 90s, all were viruses. They should have died long before that from pneumonia or the flu, but modern medicine is extending lives further than our brains can function.[/QUOTE]

Ok what's the point here? Medicine can save lives. But you're arguing herd immunity? Sorry, not following you w/this.

[QUOTE=LWW;1636105153]Is it really amazing?[/QUOTE]

The person I was responding to used that term but as far as speed to market and efficacy I'd say it's above average.

[QUOTE=Gabbar99;1636119943]You have a two-hundred thousand times lower chance of getting blood clots from the vaccine than from Covid.

And one of the women who got the blood clots from the vaccine, again it's out of 7 million who got the vaccine, died. That's one too many, but if you want to die from blood clots, there are many ways to do it with better odds.[/QUOTE]

This. And even responding to his dumb azz comments could give me a blood clot. I'll stick w/ JJ

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1636106033]of course you do, birds of a feather.. You are another one that I am glad isn't in a position of power.[/QUOTE]

If I were to run for something, I would tell people to think for themselves and I would have a slogan with a pic of someone pointing a finger at someone while looking at a policeman that says “didn’t your mama teach you not to point fingers”. It’s a anti gubmit Taddle tale slogan.

It’s funny you wouldn’t like it since in the past you have insulted those people that can’t mind their own business?

[QUOTE=Gabbar99;1636119943]You have a two-hundred thousand times lower chance of getting blood clots from the vaccine than from Covid.

And one of the women who got the blood clots from the vaccine, again it's out of 7 million who got the vaccine, died. That's one too many, but if you want to die from blood clots, there are many ways to do it with better odds.[/QUOTE]



But that suck so bad, you take a vaccine thinking it saves you, then kills you. I think I’d be happier dying from taking my risks at living life.

[QUOTE=LWW;1636132303]If I were to run for something, I would tell people to think for themselves and I would have a slogan with a pic of someone pointing a finger at someone while looking at a policeman that says “didn’t your mama teach you not to point fingers”. It’s a anti gubmit Taddle tale slogan.

It’s funny you wouldn’t like it since in the past you have insulted those people that can’t mind their own business?[/QUOTE]

what the fuk are you beaking off about now?

My little cousin took the vaccine last week and now her face is swollen like a balloon. Wtf man..

[QUOTE=ChazWood;1636098023]Serious Post

For everyone here who's received a Covid vaccine, I applaud you, wish you the best, and sincerely hope you will not have any long term negative effects from the vaccine.

I have yet to receive a vaccine and must admit I'm becoming a tad skittish based on what I'm reading the last few weeks, so I'm turning to the one person online who I trust will give me the straight scoop based on what he knows. My sole objective being to broaden my current perspective so I can make informed decisions in the coming weeks/months.

[b]PlateauPlower:[/b] I saw you posted the other day that you plan to hold off on getting a vaccine which I took as a serious comment. At your convenience, can you please elaborate and share your thoughts on the subject so that I may make the most informed decision possible. Rest assured that I will not hold you accountable for the contents of your opinion, as I ultimately make my own decisions and therefore assume full responsibility for the outcome. :)

I'm doing this in a post rather than a PM cuz I think others here will benefit from PP's thoughtful and informed reply.

EDIT: No pressure, PP Dude. :D[/QUOTE]

If I was not nearly 100% sure that I already had covid, and therefore have post infection immunity, I would get the vaccine. It’s a game of odds. Chances are good that if you get covid you would be just fine, but there’s also a chance you could have a bad outcome from it (there are some younger healthy people who have died from it, some have had long term issues, and we don’t know what impact it has on longer term cardiovascular health). The chances of a negative outcome from the vaccine are lower than the chances of a negative outcome from the virus IMO.

Now if I lived out in the middle of nowhere and didn’t have a lot of interaction with random people (mtpockets) I wouldn’t be in as much of a hurry, because my chances of contracting it would be reduced, but I’d probably still get it. The reason I wouldn’t be in a hurry is it’s just more data to base a decision on. There is a remote (unlikely imo ) possibility that covid could mutate enough that vaccines would need to be tweaked requiring a new vaccine. Again this has not happened yet and we’d know it because numbers would skyrocket as post infection immunity might also not recognize a significantly different antigen.

I have not been concerned for myself or my family throughout the duration of this because once the symptoms were known, I knew we had already had it (my son was the only one who was asymptomatic of the 4 of us). Knowing what I know about pathogens, I am confident that post infection immunity will be effective. After all the vaccine is simply activating your own immune system for specific proteins.

What I had (pretty confident it was covid) was unique, and I recall even thinking this is one weird fukin cold, especially the shortness of breath. I also had fatigue for a total of nearly 2 months (6 weeks at least), and chest and lung pain toward the end of the 10 days or so that I was actually sick that made me think I might be getting pneumonia. I didn’t feel like death or anything throughout the entire thing, but I wasn’t “well” either.

That said, getting a vaccine is a personal decision that everyone needs to make for themselves based on their lives, health, family etc, but IMHO vaccine is much safer than rolling the dice with the virus. I probably would have taken my first jab of moderna yesterday if I didn’t believe I was already immune.

People shouldn’t be mandated to get vaccinated for this imo, but medically it is probably a good decision, especially if you or people you are around are in a higher risk category. Even for younger adults, I’d be willing to bet, when the dust settles there will be more young / healthy people dead from the virus than the vaccine. However, any vaccine is not completely without risk, which is why we will be sitting this one out, since it is not necessary since we already had the actual virus (again IMHO).

[QUOTE=Cass40;1636105473]
Btw..critical thinking challenge...what is something that most women 18-48 do that also may increase the risk of blood clots?[/QUOTE]

Please don't let be fcking! :D

[QUOTE=bodyhard;1636147683]Please don't let be fcking! :D[/QUOTE]

It's related to that :)

This thread needs some real hip hop, RIP DMX Ruff Riders for life..

[youtube]8MqpVEbPlNI[/youtube]

[QUOTE=Cass40;1636147793]It's related to that :)[/QUOTE]

Noo not the blow jobs??? :(

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1636135433]If I was not nearly 100% sure that I already had covid, and therefore have post infection immunity, I would get the vaccine. It’s a game of odds. Chances are good that if you get covid you would be just fine, but there’s also a chance you could have a bad outcome from it (there are some younger healthy people who have died from it, some have had long term issues, and we don’t know what impact it has on longer term cardiovascular health). The chances of a negative outcome from the vaccine are lower than the chances of a negative outcome from the virus IMO.

Now if I lived out in the middle of nowhere and didn’t have a lot of interaction with random people (mtpockets) I wouldn’t be in as much of a hurry, because my chances of contracting it would be reduced, but I’d probably still get it. The reason I wouldn’t be in a hurry is it’s just more data to base a decision on. There is a remote (unlikely imo ) possibility that covid could mutate enough that vaccines would need to be tweaked requiring a new vaccine. Again this has not happened yet and we’d know it because numbers would skyrocket as post infection immunity might also not recognize a significantly different antigen.

I have not been concerned for myself or my family throughout the duration of this because once the symptoms were known, I knew we had already had it (my son was the only one who was asymptomatic of the 4 of us). Knowing what I know about pathogens, I am confident that post infection immunity will be effective. After all the vaccine is simply activating your own immune system for specific proteins.

What I had (pretty confident it was covid) was unique, and I recall even thinking this is one weird fukin cold, especially the shortness of breath. I also had fatigue for a total of nearly 2 months (6 weeks at least), and chest and lung pain toward the end of the 10 days or so that I was actually sick that made me think I might be getting pneumonia. I didn’t feel like death or anything throughout the entire thing, but I wasn’t “well” either.

That said, getting a vaccine is a personal decision that everyone needs to make for themselves based on their lives, health, family etc, but IMHO vaccine is much safer than rolling the dice with the virus. I probably would have taken my first jab of moderna yesterday if I didn’t believe I was already immune.

People shouldn’t be mandated to get vaccinated for this imo, but medically it is probably a good decision, especially if you or people you are around are in a higher risk category. Even for younger adults, I’d be willing to bet, when the dust settles there will be more young / healthy people dead from the virus than the vaccine. However, any vaccine is not completely without risk, which is why we will be sitting this one out, since it is not necessary since we already had the actual virus (again IMHO).[/QUOTE]
That's exactly the relevant insight I was expecting which is very helpful. Thanks Brother Dude. :)

[QUOTE=bodyhard;1636148153]Noo not the blow jobs??? :([/QUOTE]

No cos if that were the case, it would be the gay peeps getting blood clots too.. :D

[QUOTE=bodyhard;1636148153]Noo not the blow jobs??? :([/QUOTE]

Some birth control increases risk of blood clots.

[QUOTE=ChazWood;1636148293]That's exactly the relevant insight I was expecting which is very helpful. Thanks Brother Dude. :)[/QUOTE]
YW - I’m not a doctor though lol just some random on the Internet.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1636148983]No cos if that were the case, it would be the gay peeps getting blood clots too.. :D[/QUOTE]

I hear that IEDs can increase the risk of blood loss....

[QUOTE=Cass40;1636148983]No cos if that were the case, it would be the gay peeps getting blood clots too.. :D[/QUOTE]

Yeah well I don't care about them so :D :D

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1636149193]Some birth control increases risk of blood clots.[/QUOTE]

Damn seriously?

[QUOTE=Gabbar99;1636119943]You have a two-hundred thousand times lower chance of getting blood clots from the vaccine than from Covid.

And one of the women who got the blood clots from the vaccine, again it's out of 7 million who got the vaccine, died. That's one too many, but if you want to die from blood clots, there are many ways to do it with better odds.[/QUOTE]

It does seem odd that they are pausing the vaccine for 6 cases out of 7 million. The risks of a serious adverse event from Tylenol, Advil, or aspirin is considerably higher than this. I would guess that this would be well within the acceptable range for adverse events.

[QUOTE=Karl_Hungus;1636149743]It does seem odd that they are pausing the vaccine for 6 cases out of 7 million. The risks of a serious adverse event from Tylenol, Advil, or aspirin is considerably higher than this. I would guess that this would be well within the acceptable range for adverse events.[/QUOTE]

Well J&J did just have to recall like 15 million doses or something due to contamination. Kinda makes them have to pause it for a minute just not to appear to be hiding something. Unless it’s more having issues, but with various social media outlets and communication I don’t think that kind of info would be easily suppressed if it were happening a large scale.

[QUOTE=Karl_Hungus;1636149743]It does seem odd that they are pausing the vaccine for 6 cases out of 7 million. [/QUOTE]

there's no mandates, it's basically just a suggestion to hold off...

I think they're just trying to cover theirs ass's just in case.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1636149463]YW - I’m not a doctor though lol just some random on the Internet. [/QUOTE]
See, that statement right there is why you're the WBP. :D

[QUOTE=Karl_Hungus;1636149743]It does seem odd that they are pausing the vaccine for 6 cases out of 7 million. The risks of a serious adverse event from Tylenol, Advil, or aspirin is considerably higher than this. I would guess that this would be well within the acceptable range for adverse events.[/QUOTE]

If I gotta headache, I mean bad enough to take an asprin, well then chit if it kills me then it's worth a shot (I generally keep ice on my head all day, and that works).

But if I'm feeling fine and take this fuking vax to make some else feel good, and it does something........................

BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE=LWW;1636150803]If I gotta headache, I mean bad enough to take an asprin, well then chit if it kills me then it's worth a shot (I generally keep ice on my head all day, and that works).

But if I'm feeling fine and take this fuking vax to make some else feel good, and it does something........................

BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

This makes perfect cents :confused:

Thanks for the detailed reply plateau!

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1636151073]This makes perfect cents :confused:[/QUOTE]
He's our special boy. :D

[QUOTE=ChazWood;1636152343]He's our special boy. :D[/QUOTE]

Should be simple enough, maybe he the stupid one?

I'll repeat, If I got a headache that's so bad I want to die, I'll take a chance on an asprin.

I'm not taking a vax while feeling good to make someone else feel good, then get sick from vax, or some other risk.

[QUOTE=LWW;1636152633]Should be simple enough, maybe he the stupid one?

I'll repeat, If I got a headache that's so bad I want to die, I'll take a chance on an asprin.

I'm not taking a vax while feeling good to make someone else feel good, then get sick from vax, or some other risk.[/QUOTE]
But dude, if you croak then they'll mount a plaque on the wall of your gym with yur ugly mug and the caption "He was a dipchit but he gave his life for others so it wasn't a complete waste." :p

[QUOTE=ChazWood;1636153013]But dude, if you croak then they'll mount a plaque on the wall of your gym with yur ugly mug and the caption "He was a dipchit but he gave his life for others so it wasn't a complete waste." :p[/QUOTE]

What is this "give your life for others" nonsense? I've never had Rona, if I suspect I could, I'll stay home, simple enough. Oh no that ain't good enough for the authority clowns. Fuk 'em.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1636149463]
I hear that IEDs can increase the risk of blood loss....[/QUOTE]

If that’s the case, the Taliban are in big trouble.

[QUOTE=Karl_Hungus;1636149743]It does seem odd that they are pausing the vaccine for 6 cases out of 7 million. The risks of a serious adverse event from Tylenol, Advil, or aspirin is considerably higher than this. I would guess that this would be well within the acceptable range for adverse events.[/QUOTE]

One death out of 6.8 million doses so far, and the other 5 clot victims is that outside the statistical norm for 7 million people? Something doesn't seem right here?

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1636149463]I hear that IEDs can increase the risk of blood loss....[/QUOTE]

I think you meant IUDs.

But you are also right. Improvised Explosive Devices can cause blood loss.

[img]https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/04/iraqiexplosion_ied.jpg[/img]

[url]https://www.cityam.com/almost-half-of-us-marines-have-declined-covid-vaccine-data-shows/[/url]

[quote]Around 40 per cent of US Marines have chosen not to receive a Covid-19 vaccination, according to new data.

Data provided by the service shows that as of last week, 75,500 Marines have received a vaccination, while 48,000 have declined the jab.

The declination rate at the Camp Lejeune facility in North Carolina was even higher, at 57 per cent.

At the camp, of the 26,400 Marines who were offered vaccines, more than 15,000 chose not to receive them.

“We fully understand that widespread acceptance of the Covid-19 vaccine provides us with the best means to defeat the pandemic. The key to addressing the pandemic is building vaccine confidence,” Marine Corps spokeswoman Col. Kelly Frushour told CNN in a statement.

Frushour said there are several potential reasons why Marines are choosing not to have the jab, such as allowing others to receive it first or waiting until it becomes mandatory.

“Service members who decline one day can change their mind and become vaccinated when next the opportunity presents itself,” she said.

Officials say most of the vaccine hesitancy comes from concerns about the speed at which they were developed and fears over long-term effects.

Last month, a group of Democratic lawmakers called on Joe Biden to issue a “wavier of informed consent” to make vaccinations mandatory for US military service members.[/quote]

Jarheads are tired of being guinea pigs, that's why. And so naturally the USG doesn't want to give them a choice.

[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1636161643]I think you meant IUDs.

But you are also right. Improvised Explosive Devices can cause blood loss.

[img]https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/04/iraqiexplosion_ied.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]


Ooh..that was the joke I think.

I was trying to figure out what he's talking about. :o