Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=Bosko;1642764553]Back in 2006 my Dad had an episode of Guillain-Barré syndrome.
I had to climb to a second story window and break into his house, he didn't answer the phone for 2 days.
There he was on the floor and couldn't move or talk!
Within in 30 hours he was back to 100% normal, the Doctors were shocked......[/QUOTE]

Your dad would be an extreme outlier if it really was Guillain-Barre. I am almost sure it wasn't. The etiology is an autoimmune response against your own peripheral nerves. That simply doesn't go away in a day or two even with massive doses of steroids. We can't completely shut down the immune response and get the inflammation to resolve that fast. My guess is your dad had something else.

As far as costochondritis, it does get better. I'm surprised you guys weren't given NSAIDS, although they'd likely have a minimal effect on recovery time. My 105lb daughter was doing hip thrusters with some stupid amount of weight and her elbow slipped or something while she was levering her back onto the bench. She has a very localized costochondritis now too because she dislocated one of her upper ribs transiently. I told her it would be a couple of months before she could do any serious lifting that flexes that area. Otherwise she'll just prolong the inflammation. Hope you guys get better soon.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1642770753]your dad had something else.

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No he didn't....are you a medical Doctor???

Like I said, the Doctors were amazed.....

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1642040403]If someone had Covid and later has the vaccine they will have a stronger and longer lasting immunity[/QUOTE]

LOL no. Funny to read tho.

[QUOTE=sy2502;1642773753]LOL no. Funny to read tho.[/QUOTE]

So, the Italian Empress of Supremacy decides to pop in :cool:


;)

[QUOTE=Mark1T;1642775253]So, the Italian Empress of Supremacy decides to pop in :cool:


;)[/QUOTE]

Sorry buddy, been really busy these days and besides I'm tired of talking about covid, by now all the covid threads have been either confirmed or scrapped by facts. No states that opened did not have a catastrophe, yes Fauci is a POS, yes they reported more deaths for covid than there really were, no countries with socialized healthcare didn't do better than the US, yes the virus could have come from a China lab... Now the threads have veered on the vaccine subject. In a few months the facts will prove who's right and who's wrong.
But yeah, somebody saying someone who had covid and the vaccine is somehow more immune than someone who just had covid was too spectacular to let it slide.

[QUOTE=Bosko;1642771043]No he didn't....are you a medical Doctor???

Like I said, the Doctors were amazed.....[/QUOTE]

Yes, I am a physician. Did they do a lumbar puncture and an EMG? Did he have plasmapheresis or receive immune globulins? Guillain-Barre doesn't resolve 100% in 30 hours. If you tell me he was worked up at an academic medical center where they found elevated protein in his CSF, did nerve conduction studies that were consistent with it, and ruled out toxins and other more likely etiologies, then I'll consider it to be unlikely, but not impossible. If they were certain it was GB and it resolved in 30 hours, it would be a write up in a medical journal. It's so far out of the normal course that I'd doubt it if one of my old neurology attendings put it down as the diagnosis. I'd also understand why it's a reasonable diagnosis to put down.

Guillain-Barre is a nice easy to remember name for acute inflammatory demyelinating polyradiculoneuropathy. GB tells you nothing, but the descriptive name tells you what it actually does. Do you think myelin recovers in 30 hours? Most studies have shown it takes weeks, and that would be without an ongoing autoimmune reaction.

I suspect they didn't know the etiology and needed a diagnosis in order to get your dad's care covered. After recovery, there's no real concern about someone who has had GB getting something worse later in life. It's a safe diagnosis for him. No future stigma, bills get covered, paperwork gets done. Perfect for when you have to put something down for reimbursement.

I'm not trying to be mean or belittle your story. Whatever your dad had, it sounds serious, very scary, and I'm glad he's OK, but based on your description, it was more likely a case of "we couldn't find anything else, so let's call it GB", than a true case of autoimmune mediated peripheral demyelination. The people getting GB due to COVID or a vaccine won't be recovering in 30 hours. They'll be miserable for a while, miss a lot of work, possibly have long term sequalae, and it's important to consider that when we discuss the risks from a vaccine or the risks from SARS CoV2.

[QUOTE=sy2502;1642776523]Sorry buddy, been really busy these days and besides I'm tired of talking about covid, by now all the covid threads have been either confirmed or scrapped by facts. No states that opened did not have a catastrophe, yes Fauci is a POS, yes they reported more deaths for covid than there really were, no countries with socialized healthcare didn't do better than the US, yes the virus could have come from a China lab... Now the threads have veered on the vaccine subject. In a few months the facts will prove who's right and who's wrong.
But yeah, somebody saying someone who had covid and the vaccine is somehow more immune than someone who just had covid was too spectacular to let it slide.[/QUOTE]

Pretty good synopsis, sy. Have you been working remotely or have they made you show your face yet?

[QUOTE=sy2502;1642773753]LOL no. Funny to read tho.[/QUOTE]
Actually, there's some evidence of what you quoted as being true if you are talking about cross immunity to the variants. You will have measurable antibodies for a longer period of time and that does correlate with a decreased risk of getting a different strain.

But for the most part, I'd agree with you. Most of the decrease we'll see in people who got a booster shot post "COVID" is due to the fact that some of the people in the group didn't actually have it. They had a false positive test or were mis-diagnosed, and their booster shot was actually their only shot. The benefit to people who actually had COVID is probably insignificant with our current vaccines.

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1642549613]Just a simple answer, yes, if the state sends them.
I don't get personally offended when people knock at my door; i answer(or not) and dismiss them quickly or inquire more about what they are selling.
Having options doesn't scare me one bit.[/QUOTE]

If and when they do start doing this, what makes you think there will be any legitimate options?

[QUOTE=sy2502;1642773753]LOL no. Funny to read tho.[/QUOTE]

He’s actually right.

[QUOTE=Bosko;1642764553]Back in 2006 my Dad had an episode of Guillain-Barré syndrome.
I had to climb to a second story window and break into his house, he didn't answer the phone for 2 days.
There he was on the floor and couldn't move or talk!
Within in 30 hours he was back to 100% normal, the Doctors were shocked......[/QUOTE]

Wow! Maybe he was pretending cuz you had to go thru all that trouble to get to him? lol j/k

I’m glad he’s fine. :)

Best of luck and speedy recovery y’all!

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1642779593]Actually, there's some evidence of what you quoted as being true if you are talking about cross immunity to the variants. You will have measurable antibodies for a longer period of time and that does correlate with a decreased risk of getting a different strain.

But for the most part, I'd agree with you. Most of the decrease we'll see in people who got a booster shot post "COVID" is due to the fact that some of the people in the group didn't actually have it. They had a false positive test or were mis-diagnosed, and their booster shot was actually their only shot. The benefit to people who actually had COVID is probably insignificant with our current vaccines.[/QUOTE]

Seeing an immune response to a vaccine does not equal increased protection. The level of confirmed reinfection is so low that it is essentially nonexistent outside of people with an immune system condition. As of several months ago there were fewer than 200 cases, globally, of confirmed reinfection. Sure there are a lot of “suspected” reinfection cases, but the number of test confirmed duplicate cases is so low it is within the threshold of being a false positive test on one of the cases. So I’d love to see any documentation that you have to support this.

[QUOTE=Reliance012;1642784793]He’s actually right.[/QUOTE]

See my post above.

I officially got fired yesterday from my job. I couldn't access my work email and stuff and when I called IT they told me that I no longer work there anymore.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1642789893]Seeing an immune response to a vaccine does not equal increased protection. The level of confirmed reinfection is so low that it is essentially nonexistent outside of people with an immune system condition. As of several months ago there were fewer than 200 cases, globally, of confirmed reinfection. Sure there are a lot of “suspected” reinfection cases, but the number of test confirmed duplicate cases is so low it is within the threshold of being a false positive test on one of the cases. So I’d love to see any documentation that you have to support this.[/QUOTE]


Nonsense. Within a single study they found 62 people reinfected out of 9,100 severe disease cases. Other studies have showed similar rates of reinfection.
[url]https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab345/6251701[/url]
Reinfection is rare, but it does happen and it is not negligible.

The facts are these: in vivo studies demonstrate superior immune responses after a recovered host is vaccinated vs. recovered and not vaccinated. That is what Tom said, and it is true. If you want to make an argument that those responses 1) should not be used to make conclusions about disease protection and/or 2) the benefits they do provide do not outweigh the risk of vaccination, then that is a different argument.

[QUOTE=sy2502;1642773753]LOL no. Funny to read tho.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was very wrong. I had believed the explanations given to me by the NHS and P.P. corrected me.

As I did some research, after that it's odd what proportion of the advice we're given here, stated as researched fact, has no research basis and a growing body of evidence that it's incorrect. Still pro vax for those who'd benefit, just increasingly fed up with the political machinery controlling medical "facts"

[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1642796123]I officially got fired yesterday from my job. I couldn't access my work email and stuff and when I called IT they told me that I no longer work there anymore.[/QUOTE]

So sorry to read this brother, I have been following your posts hoping for a different outcome. Hell of a way to find out also.

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1642801363]Yeah, I was very wrong. I had believed the explanations given to me by the NHS and P.P. corrected me.

As I did some research, after that it's odd what proportion of the advice we're given here, stated as researched fact, has no research basis and a growing body of evidence that it's incorrect. Still pro vax for those who'd benefit, just increasingly fed up with the political machinery controlling medical "facts"[/QUOTE]

I’m pro-vaccine as well, overall. It is less risky than the disease for probably any healthy 40+ YO overall. The deceit used to push it is disturbing. I’ve worked in both the public and private sectors, and am very aware of the game of people bouncing back and fourth from regulatory / policy / decision making public sector jobs and private sector for profit companies. The people who sell products and services also create the regulations / policy /recommendations for the public sector through revolving door jobs, special interest groups, and lobbyists. However, people need to be able to make their own decisions, which is increasingly difficult with misinformation and suppression of information from the people who are supposed to provide factual data. This happens across all sectors in the US FDA, EPA, CDC, DOL, etc etc. and in most other developed countries. The amount of negative effects from vaccination are low, but not nonexistent. The risks from the disease are higher, but also low overall in healthy people w/out comorbidities.

[url]https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/14/entertainment/catt-sadler-covid/index.html[/url]

Breakthrough case of covid...fukn chit.

I’ve been dining out every other day almost recently with my chick. We better be careful...

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1642789893]Seeing an immune response to a vaccine does not equal increased protection. The level of confirmed reinfection is so low that it is essentially nonexistent outside of people with an immune system condition. As of several months ago there were fewer than 200 cases, globally, of confirmed reinfection. Sure there are a lot of “suspected” reinfection cases, but the number of test confirmed duplicate cases is so low it is within the threshold of being a false positive test on one of the cases. So I’d love to see any documentation that you have to support this.[/QUOTE]

Support what? You pretty much said exactly what I said. Read my post again. I specified cross strain immunity when I mentioned antibody levels. If you'd like me to clarify that the studies showing a correlation between cross strain viral immunity and antibody levels weren't done with SARS, that's fine. I haven't seen any data on SARS regarding that yet, but is it your belief that antibody levels have zero correlation with your immunity to a different strain of SARS? Do a lit search for cross reactive immunity and viral strains. An article in nature discussed this, so did one in Frontiers in Immunology, but those were about SARS. You'll need to filter out the ones about SARS. I clearly said most of the benefit would be due to vaccinating people who only thought they had COVID. I'll see if I can get the references from a presentation on this I attended for you too, if I run into the doc who gave it.

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1642830913][url]https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/14/entertainment/catt-sadler-covid/index.html[/url]

Breakthrough case of covid...fukn chit.

I’ve been dining out every other day almost recently with my chick. We better be careful...[/QUOTE]Stay safe out there man!

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1642830913][url]https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/14/entertainment/catt-sadler-covid/index.html[/url]

Breakthrough case of covid...fukn chit.

I’ve been dining out every other day almost recently with my chick. We better be careful...[/QUOTE]

[quote]I did come into close contact with the virus, but I wore a mask, and again I'm fully vaccinated.[/quote]

OMG is she telling me masks don't work? But... but... Fauci said...

[youtube]ZEJufOyAbis[/youtube]

[QUOTE=sy2502;1642833253]OMG is she telling me masks don't work? But... but... Fauci said...[/QUOTE]

When I see proud banners on product saying “Made with real cheese” and chit like that, I cringe thinking what the fuk were they feeding us all this time? What were all these regulating govt bodies doing and thinking while these companies shoved chemicals down our throats? Some of us consumed them under the impression they were vetted or even good and healthy options.

If you think about it, in the “dust storm” of fake and real information, combined with this virus being a thing of recent present, not enough data (well kinda enough I think), and all kinds of good and bad opinions, we are simply just believing what in our opinion is true and makes us as an individual truly comfortable.

For some this comfort may come from not wearing a mask atall and not believing in/trusting the vaccine or even claiming there is no virus and for others (like me) it may be that “fuken chit, it may or may not be true, may or may not work, but in my opinion it seems vaccine has a very low percentage of adverse effect, so go ahead and take it and masks, well, they can’t really harm anyone unless the masks themselves are unhygienic (I keep mine squeaky clean and change it out if it gets dirty - like every week or two)”

They do them and I do me :)

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1642830913][url]https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/14/entertainment/catt-sadler-covid/index.html[/url]

Breakthrough case of covid...fukn chit.

I’ve been dining out every other day almost recently with my chick. We better be careful...[/QUOTE]


This is no different than flu, people still get the flu while vaccinated, you gonna wear you mask forever now?

Not that you can hear me, I’m on ignore, lol. Stupid!!!!

Great video, on Spread!

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1642838813][youtube]ZEJufOyAbis[/youtube][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1642832633]Support what? You pretty much said exactly what I said. Read my post again. I specified cross strain immunity when I mentioned antibody levels. If you'd like me to clarify that the studies showing a correlation between cross strain viral immunity and antibody levels weren't done with SARS, that's fine. I haven't seen any data on SARS regarding that yet, but is it your belief that antibody levels have zero correlation with your immunity to a different strain of SARS? Do a lit search for cross reactive immunity and viral strains. An article in nature discussed this, so did one in Frontiers in Immunology, but those were about SARS. You'll need to filter out the ones about SARS. I clearly said most of the benefit would be due to vaccinating people who only thought they had COVID. I'll see if I can get the references from a presentation on this I attended for you too, if I run into the doc who gave it.[/QUOTE]
Oh, got it. I thought you were implying they would have increased protection which would be hard to determine given the extremely low number of confirmed reinfection. I would expect to see increased immune response, but so far the short term circulating antibodies don’t seem to be the factor in post infection immunity (cell mediated immunity Ts and helper Ts seem to be driving that).

Even if there are increased breakthrough infections in vaccinated people, they appear to be resulting in mild disease, I would hope that the mild breakthrough cases would result in additional natural immunity. I wasn’t suggesting going for natural immunity as a public health strategy, since we have vaccines that are effective, but it seems that is the route some people are going to go based on vaccination levels in some states. Of course there’s always a chance of vaccination levels naturally picking back up in the fall when some of these areas start to see significant caseloads and corresponding deaths in the higher risk groups.

Why is the WHO / CDC now indicating that a booster would be dangerous for vaccinated people, when in all likelihood, elderly and immunocompromised might need them by the fall?

[QUOTE=LWW;1642847303]
Not that you can hear me, I’m on ignore, lol. Stupid!!!![/QUOTE]


Sounds like your little feeelings are hurt because TryinBB put you on the iggy list. Shake it off brother, not that big of a deal

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1642848483]Sounds like your little feeelings are hurt because TryinBB put you on the iggy list. Shake it off brother, not that big of a deal[/QUOTE]

Fuk it. I’ve been walled before and it Fukin sucks. Lmao. Not that I matter to him (hopefully I don’t lol) but here it goes...

[QUOTE=LWW;1642847303]This is no different than flu, people still get the flu while vaccinated, you gonna wear you mask forever now?

Not that you can hear me, I’m on ignore, lol. Stupid!!!![/QUOTE]

Hey mr namecaller,

Did you see my rather wordy post up above? That should tell you how long I’m gonna wear my mask.

You know what, I’ll spell it out for you since you seem to want everyone to listen to your ideas and talk and point of views but you don’t want to listen to the same of anyone one else’s; I’ll wear my mask till I feel comfortable taking it off. We’ve been dining out and I’ve been kind of relaxed with my mask in public places and at work - I’m gonna go ahead and start being more careful again. But for now, yea, the “Chinese who knows if it works kn95” is on the horizon for a while till I FEEL COMFORTABLE NOT HAVING ONE ON (deciding factor will be real or fake news of covid infections going down to almost completely eliminated)

We walk into a Restauraunt with masks on and take it off after sitting down. YES WE’RE ONE OF THOSE. haha This way we’re only exposed to our server. We also try and get a corner table away from where there is lots of people walking by.

In a park or out walking, we don’t put our masks on unless it’s crowded.

In closed public places like bowling, etc, we keep our mask on and take it off to sip on drinks or snacks/food

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1642849983]Fuk it. I’ve been walled before and it Fukin sucks. Lmao. Not that I matter to him (hopefully I don’t lol) but here it goes...



Hey mr namecaller,

Did you see my rather wordy post up above? That should tell you how long I’m gonna wear my mask.

You know what, I’ll spell it out for you since you seem to want everyone to listen to your ideas and talk and point of views but you don’t want to listen to the same of anyone one else’s; I’ll wear my mask till I feel comfortable taking it off. We’ve been dining out and I’ve been kind of relaxed with my mask in public places and at work - I’m gonna go ahead and start being more careful again. But for now, yea, the “Chinese who knows if it works kn95” is on the horizon for a while till I FEEL COMFORTABLE NOT HAVING ONE ON (deciding factor will be real or fake news of covid infections going down to almost completely eliminated)

We walk into a Restauraunt with masks on and take it off after sitting down. YES WE’RE ONE OF THOSE. haha This way we’re only exposed to our server. We also try and get a corner table away from where there is lots of people walking by.

In a park or out walking, we don’t put our masks on unless it’s crowded.

In closed public places like bowling, etc, we keep our mask on and take it off to sip on drinks or snacks/food[/QUOTE]



Thought you put me on ignore? I guess not.....................

So what your saying is you put a mask on, then take it off touching it and all the filthy germs, then you touch other objects, then touch your mask again and put on your face?

Interesting......................

Rest my case:)