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[QUOTE=Mark1T;1633463813]Say Plat, I heard a statistic where approximately 8 out of 10 people who were/are hospitalized, were/are considered overweight. Not sure if it is that high of a ratio but it does seem that weight is an elevated risk factor.
You have any stats or opinion on this?[/QUOTE]
Certainly a high correlation from what I’ve read, but I’ve known several people significantly overweight, older, etc and they were fine. So it seems to raise the risks, but doesn’t completely determine the outcome. That would probably be typical of the population. I’m not sure they will ever release/publish any data like that honestly. Might not even be collecting it to avoid FOIA requests.
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1633464493]Certainly a high correlation from what I’ve read, but I’ve known several people significantly overweight, older, etc and they were fine. So it seems to raise the risks, but doesn’t completely determine the outcome. That would probably be typical of the population. I’m not sure they will ever release/publish any data like that honestly. Might not even be collecting it to avoid FOIA requests.[/QUOTE]
Your logic makes sense. Appreciate it.
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[QUOTE=Mark1T;1633463813]Say Plat, I heard a statistic where approximately 8 out of 10 people who were/are hospitalized, were/are considered overweight. Not sure if it is that high of a ratio but it does seem that weight is an elevated risk factor.
You have any stats or opinion on this?[/QUOTE]
Is that BMI though? Most here would be labeled overweight according to their BMI.
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[QUOTE=Jtbny;1633490663]Is that BMI though?[/QUOTE]
Almost certainly. It's quick and easy and useful at a population level. I don't think enough people have elevated BMI because of increased lean mass for it to be worth anyone's effort to try to tease out that information.
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[QUOTE=Jtbny;1633490663]Is that BMI though? Most here would be labeled overweight according to their BMI.[/QUOTE]
General population I would think. I do not believe that people who exercise regularly and who have a higher density of muscle are more susceptible. If anything, less susceptible.
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Most of the BMI charts I've seen have the footnote: [b]DOES NOT APPLY TO BODYBUILDERS[/b]
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[QUOTE=supramax;1633497593]Most of the BMI charts I've seen have the footnote: [b]DOES NOT APPLY TO BODYBUILDERS[/b][/QUOTE]
Always been an issue for me - military uses BMI, and even when I was in great shape in my 30s I was more than 40lbs over MAW (maximum allowable weight) which was essentially BMI.
Good thing I always pass tape!
That caveat is so true Supra ;)
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[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1633500033]Always been an issue for me - military uses BMI, and even when I was in great shape in my 30s I was more than 40lbs over MAW (maximum allowable weight) which was essentially BMI.
Good thing I always pass tape!
That caveat is so true Supra ;)[/QUOTE]
I just checked one at Diabetes Canada for the hell of it. It wasn't a footnote, just an explanation: "BMI is not used for muscle builders, long distance athletes, pregnant women, the elderly or young children."
I'm 3 of those. :)
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[QUOTE=supramax;1633500923]I just checked one at Diabetes Canada for the hell of it. It wasn't a footnote, just an explanation: "BMI is not used for muscle builders, long distance athletes, pregnant women, the elderly or young children."
I'm 3 of those. :)[/QUOTE]
Wait WHAT!!! You're pregnant?!?! Congrats!
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[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1633501463]Wait WHAT!!! You're pregnant?!?! Congrats![/QUOTE]
I'm in my second childhood, too. :)
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[QUOTE=supramax;1633502053]I'm in my second childhood, too. :)[/QUOTE]
I knew it!
A few of those might apply... definitely NOT anything related to distance running. That word hurts just to hear it. Ok, joking, but if I'm doing more than a hundred meters, I get on my fatbike these days. Happy plodding along for 100km on that thing, running.... not gonna happen.
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[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1633505753]I knew it!
A few of those might apply... definitely NOT anything related to distance running. That word hurts just to hear it. Ok, joking, but if I'm doing more than a hundred meters, I get on my fatbike these days. Happy plodding along for 100km on that thing, running.... not gonna happen.[/QUOTE]
I can't express how much I love long distance running. I absolutely ****ing love it!
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[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1633500033]Always been an issue for me - military uses BMI, and even when I was in great shape in my 30s I was more than 40lbs over MAW (maximum allowable weight) which was essentially BMI.
Good thing I always pass tape!
That caveat is so true Supra ;)[/QUOTE]
Same w/me. Pass the tape but fail the max weight.
I mentioned before but I was eligible for the vaccine because of my BMI. Now I worry my health insurance will look to jack up my rates because of that too :D
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[QUOTE=supramax;1633506913]I can't express how much I love long distance running. I absolutely ****ing love it![/QUOTE]
three knee surgeries later... no thanks :)
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1633506943]Same w/me. Pass the tape but fail the max weight.
I mentioned before but I was eligible for the vaccine because of my BMI. Now I worry my health insurance will look to jack up my rates because of that too :D[/QUOTE] Oof yah double edged sword, that.
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[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1633509213]three knee surgeries later... no thanks :)....[/QUOTE]
Check out this guys YouTube site:
[youtube]/BGv1vDcRJW0[/youtube]
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[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1633509213]three knee surgeries later... no thanks :)[/QUOTE]
I don't doubt that individual runners have had knee problems, but overall, runners have better knees that non-runners.
My n=1 is that I've been a runner for 30+ years and have done marathons and ultramarathons and my knees are fine.
[url]https://www.outsideonline.com/2312866/running-bad-knees-might-be-ok-after-all?[/url]
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[QUOTE=supramax;1633511833]Check out this guys YouTube site:
[youtube]/BGv1vDcRJW0[/youtube][/QUOTE]
Cool. Thought you were going to link something telling me running was good for my knees. :P
Will check some of his stuff out.
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[QUOTE=Gabbar99;1633513113]I don't doubt that individual runners have had knee problems, but overall, runners have better knees that non-runners.
My n=1 is that I've been a runner for 30+ years and have done marathons and ultramarathons and my knees are fine.
[url]https://www.outsideonline.com/2312866/running-bad-knees-might-be-ok-after-all?[/url][/QUOTE]
I think you are cherry-picking data. I don't have time or energy to dig through it right now, but I've looked at plenty of research on it in the past. NOT an MD here, just a researcher/consumer of science.
Runners are far more healthy in many ways than non-runners, but that's a false dichotomy and I'm pretty comfortable with knowing running is bad for me. Certainly compared to alternate activities.
EDIT: also, I have to say I love our thread derails today. Much more enjoyable than the same ol shenanigans about gubmit and needle-sticking.
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[QUOTE=Gabbar99;1633513113]I don't doubt that individual runners have had knee problems, but overall, runners have better knees that non-runners.
My n=1 is that I've been a runner for 30+ years and have done marathons and ultramarathons and my knees are fine.
[url]https://www.outsideonline.com/2312866/running-bad-knees-might-be-ok-after-all?[/url][/QUOTE]
I've been running for about 25 years and the only time I had a knee pronlem was when I took some really stupid advice from a Runners' World article and did a big mileage percentage increase.
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[QUOTE=supramax;1633513713]I've been running for about 25 years and the only time I had a knee pronlem was when I took some really stupid advice from a Runners' World article and did a big mileage percentage increase.[/QUOTE]
To be clear, running didn't cause the problems, it just exacerbated them. My first knee injury was soccer on turf, the second snowboarding, then the back fractures from the car accident. Running just [I]kills [/I]all those parts these days.
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[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1633514053]To be clear, running didn't cause the problems, it just exacerbated them. My first knee injury was soccer on turf, the second snowboarding, then the back fractures from the car accident. Running just [I]kills [/I]all those parts these days.[/QUOTE]
Aside from not doing anything stupid like increasing weekly mileage by 50% :), the number one injury preventative is to run in shoes the same way that you run barefoot.
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[QUOTE=supramax;1633514843]Aside from not doing anything stupid like increasing weekly mileage by 50% :), the number one injury preventative is to run in shoes the same way that you run barefoot.[/QUOTE]
If you peruse my call-in thread, you might have guessed that I ran barefoot for the first 15 years of my life :)
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[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1633522853] I ran barefoot for the first 15 years of my life :)[/QUOTE]
You came out of the Vagina running? Lucky you, I was circumcised at birth and couldn't walk for over a year, started running around 2
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[QUOTE=supramax;1633514843]Aside from not doing anything stupid like increasing weekly mileage by 50% :), the number one injury preventative is to run in shoes the same way that you run barefoot.[/QUOTE]
I think many runners who neglect weight training can “run” into issues with muscle imbalances from being such a quad dominant exercise, at least on flat ground. Quads overpower hams and start pulling on the knees. I am not a runner really, my sister is big time, coach, marathoner etc. I enjoy running in minimalist shoes (vibrams) when I do decide to run (it’s been a while) other than trying to get my toes to cooperate getting into them. I usually bike, hike, or elliptical for cardio.
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[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1633522853]If you peruse my call-in thread, you might have guessed that I ran barefoot for the first 15 years of my life :)[/QUOTE]
I don't know what a call in thread is or where it would be, but I'm guessing you didn't have knee problems for the first 15 years of your life. :)
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[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1633443183]"..Vitamin D deficiency is very common. It's estimated that about 1 billion people worldwide have low levels of the vitamin in their blood ( 2 ). According to a 2011 study, 41.6% of adults in the US are deficient. This number goes up to 69.2% in Hispanics and 82.1% in African-Americans ( 3 )..." [url]https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-deficiency-symptoms[/url]
Maybe vitamin D is a factor or maybe just that African Americans are more likely to be hospitalised, there are too many variables at the same time to identify any cause and effect just from the 84% stat.
It's definitely interesting though and needs investigation[/QUOTE]
You are a good man Tom. Need to post in the R/P more.
Unlike myself, that sub-forum needs rational people
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[QUOTE=supramax;1633532433]I don't know what a call in thread is or where it would be, but I'm guessing you didn't have knee problems for the first 15 years of your life. :)[/QUOTE]
Cass started a thread to ask me about growing up in a hunter-gatherer culture.
I pretty much did drop out of the vagina running ;)
BTW I love the 'barefoot' shoes you can get (ultra minimalist with toes in them): I have several pair. Alas, my wife isn't fond of them.
I didn't have knee problems until I tried to do reverse directions at top speed on an astroturf soccer pitch. Remember, I didn't say running caused the problem.
I didn't intend to touch a nerve with runners, but really ymmv. Running is much healthier than sitting on a couch eating chips, but with the injuries I have running is not the answer.
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[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1633532783]You are a good man Tom. Need to post in the R/P more.
Unlike myself, that sub-forum needs rational people[/QUOTE]
That he is. That they do. :P
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1633529533]I think many runners who neglect weight training can “run” into issues with muscle imbalances from being such a quad dominant exercise, at least on flat ground. Quads overpower hams and start pulling on the knees. I am not a runner really, my sister is big time, coach, marathoner etc. I enjoy running in minimalist shoes (vibrams) when I do decide to run (it’s been a while) other than trying to get my toes to cooperate getting into them. I usually bike, hike, or elliptical for cardio.[/QUOTE] I agree 100%, but a lot of runners don't care about imbalances. A few weeks ago, I read that the worlds fastest marathon runner is so stiff that he can't get close to even touching his toes, because his conditioning is purely for fast forward movement. I've never tried the minimalist footwear: too little material for Winter and too little protection for the kind of forests I run through in the Summer.
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[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1633533303]Cass started a thread to ask me about growing up in a hunter-gatherer culture.
I pretty much did drop out of the vagina running ;)
BTW I love the 'barefoot' shoes you can get (ultra minimalist with toes in them): I have several pair. Alas, my wife isn't fond of them.
I didn't have knee problems until I tried to do reverse directions at top speed on an astroturf soccer pitch. Remember, I didn't say running caused the problem.
I didn't intend to touch a nerve with runners, but really ymmv. Running is much healthier than sitting on a couch eating chips, but with the injuries I have running is not the answer.[/QUOTE]I run purely for pleasure.
