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[QUOTE=sy2502;1646622473]The difference between me and you is that when you don't know if you can trust them or not, you choose to blindly trust them and I don't. At my house we call people who trust too easily "suckers".[/QUOTE]
"Trust the science."
"What's the science?"
"...."
I've had that conversation far too often recently.
[QUOTE=TolerantLactose;1646624343]"Trust the science."
"What's the science?"
"...."
I've had that conversation far too often recently.[/QUOTE]
There are two types of sciences:
a. Real science conducted by third party. This group follows proper protocols and are typically funded privately.
b. Pseudo science funded by gubmint via stolen loot (i.e. taxes). This group has an agenda, and that is to support gubmint narrative. This group has a little science plus lots of politics. When you mix science (regardless of dosage) with some politics (even 1% politics), POLITICS WILL ALWAYS WIN.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1646622713]How do you explain that, super healthy and fit with zero underlying conditions, or just dumb luck?[/QUOTE]
Why would it be dumb luck, Ben? Can't it also be a healthy lifestyle +/- good luck. Plenty of people were lucky and had asymptomatic infections.
It's possible it's not dumb or good luck and he'll actually get sick when he get's exposed to a higher viral load, and if it happens right before a vacation or something, that'd be really bad luck.
We don't know, so I'll hope it was the good luck option and that he's got some great immunity !
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646625533]Why would it be dumb luck, Ben? Can't it also be a healthy lifestyle +/- good luck. Plenty of people were lucky and had asymptomatic infections.
It's possible it's not dumb or good luck and he'll actually get sick when he get's exposed to a higher viral load, and if it happens right before a vacation or something, that'd be really bad luck.
We don't know, so I'll hope it was the good luck option and that he's got some great immunity ![/QUOTE]
I was just using a tired old phrase, i thought about omitting "dumb" but left it in because most people know the term.
Especially people in this sub forum.
I am happy for him but trying to understand this thing.
[QUOTE=sy2502;1646617633]I don't have the faintest idea, but as I said, I am not just going to assume it was all about good solid data. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.
All I can tell you is that I know several people who work in medical startups, some have tried to get their product FDA approved for TEN YEARS, with the FDA sending their documentation back for any possible trivial reason they could find, so do I find the Pfizer approval suspicious? You bet your azz I do. And let's face it the medical establishment (and by that I mean FDA, CDC, NIH, WHO, etc) has done nothing to win my trust in the last year and a half.[/QUOTE]
Care to elaborate more about these medical startups and more specifics on the request for further information so we can talk about comparing it to Pfizer approval?
[QUOTE=TolerantLactose;1646624343]"Trust the science."
"What's the science?"
"...."
I've had that conversation far too often recently.[/QUOTE]
Funny because my post didn't mention science, it mentioned specific organizations that I named so if you have trouble reading there isn't much I can do to help you.
[QUOTE=sy2502;1646628353]Funny because my post didn't mention science, it mentioned specific organizations that I named so if you have trouble reading there isn't much I can do to help you.[/QUOTE]
I was adding to your point, not disagreeing. So many people "trust the science" when what they really mean is "trust the government".
[QUOTE=TolerantLactose;1646628573]I was adding to your point, not disagreeing. So many people "trust the science" when what they really mean is "trust the government".[/QUOTE]
GUBMINT.
NOT GOVERNMENT.
GUBMINT.
"Cmon, man." - Pee do Joe
[QUOTE=TolerantLactose;1646628573]I was adding to your point, not disagreeing. So many people "trust the science" when what they really mean is "trust the government".[/QUOTE]
Ah good, thank you, because I've had it up to here with the "but the science..." crap. I don't have a problem with science, I have a problem with politics and money masquerading as science.
[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1646628803]GUBMINT.
NOT GOVERNMENT.
GUBMINT.
"Cmon, man." - Pee do Joe[/QUOTE]
I'm Canadian. We have Par-lament.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1646626983]I was just using a tired old phrase, i thought about omitting "dumb" but left it in because most people know the term.
Especially people in this sub forum.
I am happy for him but trying to understand this thing.[/QUOTE]
If someone is young, doesn't feel perfectly comfortable with the vaccines' safety, doesn't buy into the protecting others by getting this vaccine mindset, and/or thinks they've already been exposed, they're not going to get the vaccine.
You know, that's the second phrase I didn't catch the meaning of. To me, dumb luck indicated it was unexpected while David doesn't seem like he ever expected to get sick.
I also didn't (and still don't) get "my soul is peppered", which someone posted earlier and said was intentional. Maybe it was intentional humor or a movie reference. Do you know?
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646632583]If someone is young, doesn't feel perfectly comfortable with the vaccines' safety, doesn't buy into the protecting others by getting this vaccine mindset, and/or thinks they've already been exposed, they're not going to get the vaccine.
You know, that's the second phrase I didn't catch the meaning of. To me, dumb luck indicated it was unexpected while David doesn't seem like he ever expected to get sick.
I also didn't (and still don't) get "[B]my soul is peppered[/B]", which someone posted earlier and said was intentional. Maybe it was intentional humor or a movie reference. Do you know?[/QUOTE]
It's a childish replacement word for 'prepared'. As in "my angus (anus) is peppered"
[b]URBAN DICTIONARY[/b]
Peppered:
Peppered, a word used to describe action of someone getting hit multiple times
[QUOTE=sy2502;1646622473]The difference between me and you is that when you don't know if you can trust them or not, you choose to blindly trust them and I don't. At my house we call people who trust too easily "suckers".[/QUOTE]
No, the best part is the CDC, WHO, et al. are cherry picking the data that fits their narrative.
It's not like they count every death in which a person tested positive within 28 days as a covid death, regardless of what disease or event they actually died from. Totally trust worthy.
[QUOTE=supramax;1646633603][b]URBAN DICTIONARY[/b]
Peppered:
Peppered, a word used to describe action of someone getting hit multiple times[/QUOTE]
This one I knew, but it didn't seem to fit. I hadn't even thought of it being intentional like bustasinclair suggested.
Either or I guess, and thank you both.
[QUOTE=bustasinclair;1646622323]That's because of your Jesus Crew status. Covid don't mess around with dat dere Jesus crew, I hear.[/QUOTE]
Even if it did, the worst that can happen is living in heaven for eternity with God and his son and all the other good folks. :)
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646639553]This one I knew, but it didn't seem to fit. I hadn't even thought of it being intentional like bustasinclair suggested.
Either or I guess, and thank you both.[/QUOTE]
I thought it fit. "my soul is peppered" just means that his soul has taken a beating.
[QUOTE=sy2502;1646622473]The difference between me and you is that when you don't know if you can trust them or not, you choose to blindly trust them and I don't. At my house we call people who trust too easily "suckers".[/QUOTE]I sold my primary business and retired at age 42. I can assure you that I do not blindly trust people/corporations nor am I a sucker. This seems to align with all the other young retirees I've met.
Once the company you worked for 15 years decided to mandate vaccinations, this motivated you to look for other companies to work for within your field. You reported that the wages you were offered were much higher than the company you worked for was paying you. I think that is great. Good for you. Just don't let something like a pandemic every 20 years or so and smiling bosses keep you a sucker - always know your marketplace value and always be willing to exercise it.
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[QUOTE=_zman;1646617403]I know several people that were around people that had it as well when they were not vaxxed. They even shared a a particular smoking device, yet never got it. And they aren't even the healthy type of people, just mid 40s.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1646622713]How do you explain that, super healthy and fit with zero underlying conditions, or just dumb luck?[/QUOTE]
My personal hypothesis is that this indeed originated from a lab as current evidence strongly suggests and we likely have something that "leapt forward" from an evolutionary standpoint faster, or differently, than it otherwise would and this could account for the rather wider and somewhat inexplicable variation we see when comparing among like individuals. From what I understand there are genetically driven propensities towards more severe reactions outside of the known risk factors. If the virus leapt forward in an unnatural way, our own defenses could not have self-selected for a stronger reaction against it proportionally over time and some people luck out more than others with the stronger genetic response. Just a thought. *shrug*
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Once the company you worked for 15 years decided to mandate vaccinations, this motivated you to look for other companies to work for within your field. You reported that the wages you were offered were much higher than the company you worked for was paying you. I think that is great. Good for you. Just don't let something like a pandemic every 20 years or so and smiling bosses keep you a sucker - always know your marketplace value and always be willing to exercise it.[/QUOTE]
I am perfectly aware of my marketplace value and I have been getting recruiter calls for the past 15 years every couple of months thank you for talking about something you know nothing about, I'll make sure to get my career advices from someone who does.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646632583]If someone is young, doesn't feel perfectly comfortable with the vaccines' safety, doesn't buy into the protecting others by getting this vaccine mindset, and/or thinks they've already been exposed, they're not going to get the vaccine.
You know, that's the second phrase I didn't catch the meaning of. To me, dumb luck indicated it was unexpected while David doesn't seem like he ever expected to get sick.
I also didn't (and still don't) get "my soul is peppered", which someone posted earlier and said was intentional. Maybe it was intentional humor or a movie reference. Do you know?[/QUOTE]
To clarify and simplify i could have said wow you are lucky.
Peppered is a term I just don't use.
[QUOTE=ectoBgone;1646682923]My personal hypothesis is that this indeed originated from a lab as current evidence strongly suggests and we likely have something that "leapt forward" from an evolutionary standpoint faster, or differently, than it otherwise would and this could account for the rather wider and somewhat inexplicable variation we see when comparing among like individuals. From what I understand there are genetically driven propensities towards more severe reactions outside of the known risk factors. If the virus leapt forward in an unnatural way, our own defenses could not have self-selected for a stronger reaction against it proportionally over time and some people luck out more than others with the stronger genetic response. Just a thought. *shrug*[/QUOTE]
Great ideas , thanks for taking the time.
My brain tries to see patterns and trends, and this thing is all over the map given what i have read over the last 18 months.
I spoke to a good friend yesterday who I have not spoken to for 2 years and the different types of people that she knew that got it, died, and were severely impacted from COVID-19 varied widely. It isnt what you assume sometimes.
Just want to remind you boyos that its day 617 of the pandemic and the vaccine does not work.
[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646685273]Just want to remind you boyos that its day 617 of the pandemic and the vaccine does not work.[/QUOTE]
Case count low here due to high compliance to health authority directives, I think 76% of the population in our health catchment area are fully vaccinated.
It is rising though..but mostly among those who are not vaccinated..(and probably ignore the other directives) These are the ones that are showing up in the hospitals from what I am hearing.
Agree on one thing, its not going away anytime soon, trick is to not overload the health system so some unfortunate person can get necessary unrelated surgery, or cancer treatment.
Stay safe
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1646684383]To clarify and simplify i could have said wow you are lucky.
Peppered is a term I just don't use.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't criticizing Ben. I just replied because the word "Dumb" gets used a lot when we talk about other peoples choices. I understand you weren't trying to imply the decision was dumb.
Peppered seems like a good term for some new shooters' targets at the range. They do look like someone randomly sprinkled pepper on a piece of paper.
[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646685273]Just want to remind you boyos that its day 617 of the pandemic and [b]the vaccine does not work.[/b][/QUOTE]
Now that's a statement
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646688473]Now that's a statement[/QUOTE]
Obviously I was exaggerating, but the vaccine is not working as intended. The focus should be therapeutics.
[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646685273]Just want to remind you boyos that its day 617 of the pandemic and the vaccine does not work.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the enlightenment Pocahontas, maybe you shouldn't waste time on us boyos and head right on over to the medical/science community and share your expertise with them.
[QUOTE=sy2502;1646682963]I am perfectly aware of my marketplace value and I have been getting recruiter calls for the past 15 years every couple of months thank you for talking about something you know nothing about, I'll make sure to get my career advices from someone who does.[/QUOTE]No need to be salty when someone points out the obvious.