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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644944253]Workers who have yet to be vaccinated against COVID-19 could soon be paying as much as $50 more per paycheck for health insurance as companies across the U.S. try to protect their employees — and themselves — from outbreaks of the disease.
[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-insurance-premiums/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=127678441[/url][/QUOTE]
Lazy, fat, unhealthy people ruining it for everyone, yet again.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644944423]Meanwhile there is a flood of illegal immigrants infected with covid streaming across our open borders to get to a hospital ER for some good ol hospitality hospitalization.[/QUOTE]
Murica
[QUOTE=mgftp;1644944633]
Good. If only we could do this type of thing for fat people, smokers, etc. as well.[/QUOTE]
Yup
[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1644944673]Lazy, fat, unhealthy people ruining it for everyone, yet again.[/QUOTE]
yup
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644945383]Murica
Yup
yup[/QUOTE]
Just imagine if we could get our own fat family members to canoe, hike, camp, and move as much as you do; wouldn't that be a great start?
Sadly i have had no luck with any of them, so i had to give it up and just focus on me, oh well.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1644945763]Just imagine if we could get our own fat family members to canoe, hike, camp, and move as much as you do; wouldn't that be a great start?
Sadly i have had no luck with any of them, so i had to give it up and just focus on me, oh well.[/QUOTE]
I am still trying to get Tater Tot off the double cheeseburgers, Chubby lil Bass Turd throws them back like they are M n M's
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644946103]I am still trying to get Tater Tot off the double cheeseburgers, Chubby lil Bass Turd throws them back like they are M n M's[/QUOTE]
Whatever happens , happens, he has the information.
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[b]And I felt they were, unless it's lost on me what you are referringing to? All I heard about was don't kill your grandma, and vaccines were only available to the most at risk early on.[/b]
Probably the biggest thing we could do in playing this differently is lock down our boarders early on when this popped up in China like some countries did. Most of those countries are in great shape, and things never got bad, some living life as normal today. It's tough at the time though, a certain group wants all the precautions and another group wants all the freedoms. And without clear necessary knowledge on what was going on I don't think we can blame Trump, the CDC, or anyone for their decisions early on. Seems like everyone is trying to create more problems where there aren't really in a situation where enough problems exist already. People chitting on the CDC and going as far as to say they can't just trusted for no credible reason I have seen just comes off as ridiculous. And listen I don't like any government body, I think almost every single one could do better, should have funding cut, etc, etc. But to act like the CDC is deceiving the public is we didn't land on the moon level stuff to me.
Good. If only we could do this type of thing for fat people, smokers, etc. as well.[/QUOTE]
Well, not sending covid positive people from hospitals to elderly communal living care facilities would have been a good idea. I don’t think locking down our borders would have mattered honestly. It might have delayed the inevitable, that’s about it. It would have got here, it got to North Korea and they are always “locked down”. The CDC has lost a LOT of credibility in my opinion, but you are certainly free to have the opposite opinion. That’s what living in a “free country” is about. It seems we share the sentiment that if you want to see something get fuked up, put the government in charge of it rather than the “doers” from the private sector.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644953773]Well, not sending covid positive people from hospitals to elderly communal living care facilities would have been a good idea. I don’t think locking down our borders would have mattered honestly. It might have delayed the inevitable, that’s about it. It would have got here, it got to North Korea and they are always “locked down”. The CDC has lost a LOT of credibility in my opinion, but you are certainly free to have the opposite opinion. That’s what living in a “free country” is about. It seems we share the sentiment that if you want to see something get fuked up, put the government in charge of it rather than the “doers” from the private sector.[/QUOTE]I swear, my reps button is broken. Furthermore, as was said earlier, the government/CDC and WHO attacked, belittled, tried to professionally ruin, combined with big tech who failed to even mention or acknowledge alternative scientific opinion or even censor it makes many of us double mistrust what they are up to, especially when you start to learn about the political and financial tie-ins of these organization to big dollar interests who want a specific narrative out there.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644953773]I don’t think locking down our borders would have mattered honestly. It might have delayed the inevitable, that’s about it.[/QUOTE]
Yes. It makes sense when you have a communicable disease that's endemic to a specific region. This is global and has been since very early on. Little about the public health response makes sense.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1644864853]Good post, and if you don't have any lasting side effects after a few weeks, you're good to go. We've never had a long term side effect show up months or years later even with the traditional vaccines like J&J's, and it's essentially impossible with the mRNA ones since they can't get into the cell nucleus.
I have wondered about people now refusing the vaccine because they are trying to be consistent with what they have said or done in the past. Kinda sad if that's really what's happening.[/QUOTE]
That is assuming Big Government tells you everything, which most assuredly they do not.
Even though there is strong evidence that the anthrax vaccine given to US and UK troops has caused long term issues with veterans, and even though it has been begrudgingly admitted to have been a "potential" cause, they still will never admit it but are listing service members who received it and have certain medical conditions as eligible for VA disability claims.
[QUOTE=KeepItMoving;1644960713]I swear, my reps button is broken. Furthermore, as was said earlier, the government/CDC and WHO attacked, belittled, tried to professionally ruin, combined with big tech who failed to even mention or acknowledge alternative scientific opinion or even censor it makes many of us double mistrust what they are up to, especially when you start to learn about the political and financial tie-ins of these organization to big dollar interests who want a specific narrative out there.[/QUOTE]
Kinda strange that certain supplements are a very important course of treatment huh? Granted the effective dose is better achieved intravenously than orally. Especially for minorities who are less likely to have sufficient “vitamin” D levels. Vitamin D is more of a hormone precursor than a vitamin but that’s on FDA stupidity. Further, most “American” diets are nearly void of essential micronutrients (mine included, I don’t eat near the amount of fresh veg I should). There is no push for general health that would far exceed the reduction in mortality that covid elevated.
[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1644963373]That is assuming Big Government tells you everything, which most assuredly they do not.
Even though there is strong evidence that the anthrax vaccine given to US and UK troops has caused long term issues with veterans, and even though it has been begrudgingly admitted to have been a "potential" cause, they still will never admit it but are listing service members who received it and have certain medical conditions as eligible for VA disability claims.[/QUOTE]
Also ask the “willing participants” of the Tuskegee experiments if there was any lasting effects from a “vaccination” or lack thereof. Surely that Hippocratic oath means a lot to all “doctors”. I’m shocked minorities don’t trust a vaccine lol. Especially when it was offered to them first for “equity” right along with the elderly and incarcerated…
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644953773]Well, not sending covid positive people from hospitals to elderly communal living care facilities would have been a good idea. I don’t think locking down our borders would have mattered honestly. It might have delayed the inevitable, that’s about it. It would have got here, it got to North Korea and they are always “locked down”. The CDC has lost a LOT of credibility in my opinion, but you are certainly free to have the opposite opinion. That’s what living in a “free country” is about. It seems we share the sentiment that if you want to see something get fuked up, put the government in charge of it rather than the “doers” from the private sector.[/QUOTE]
Any what about other countries who had better outcomes and perhaps did it better? Why go to the worst example if keeping an open mind?
Yea, through 1000 people ranting on the misc, and every conspiracy theory link I have clicked on I still haven't seen anything yet that makes me think I shouldn't trust the CDC. Again, not saying they are perfect, nobody is, especially in uncharted waters, I am sure they have made plenty of mistakes. But it comes off very much as just blinded bias, to party, conspiracy theory, anti-vax, etc. The right banging on the CDC is as idiotic as Libs banging on Trump for the drink bleach thing.. It all looks so idiotic, biased, and fueled by anger. Again, just my opinion.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1644984943]Any what about other countries who had better outcomes and perhaps did it better? Why go to the worst example if keeping an open mind?
Yea, through 1000 people ranting on the misc, and every conspiracy theory link I have clicked on I still haven't seen anything yet that makes me think I shouldn't trust the CDC. Again, not saying they are perfect, nobody is, especially in uncharted waters, I am sure they have made plenty of mistakes. But it comes off very much as just blinded bias, to party, conspiracy theory, anti-vax, etc. The right banging on the CDC is as idiotic as Libs banging on Trump for the drink bleach thing.. It all looks so idiotic, biased, and fueled by anger. Again, just my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Can’t really compare countries due to differences. Israel did well, Switzerland did well but they are much smaller. Obviously places that are ruled by the strict authoritarianism will be better at lockdown compliance etc.
Right now there are a lot of studies indicating that Pfizer vaccines are far less effective than Moderna for the delta variant. Why is the CDC not putting this information out? Don’t you think that is important information for people who have not yet been vaccinated? Should probably be a consideration for “boosters” for immunocompromised and elderly in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644985243][b]Can’t really compare countries due to differences[/b]. Israel did well, Switzerland did well but they are much smaller. Obviously places that are ruled by the strict authoritarianism will be better at lockdown compliance etc. [/QUOTE]
You were super quick to use North Korea as an example because it fit your argument though. I simply threw out a if we are going to do a Monday morning qtrb thing that's one change that could have worked as it did for others. Obviously the success would be tied to numerous variables.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644985243]Right now there are a lot of studies indicating that Pfizer vaccines are far less effective than Moderna for the delta variant. Why is the CDC not putting this information out? Don’t you think that is important information for people who have not yet been vaccinated?[/QUOTE]
I mean I have seen data that any vaccine is either -99% effective to 99% effective and anything in-between. Obviously there are variables at play from the sources, data collection methods, data quality, broadness of data, sample size, etc, etc. I absolutely do not think the CDC should be "putting out" any information that is not scientifically strong. Every day there are new "studies" (lol@ calling things studies that are just essentially surveys) and look at the sentiment that can be seen ITT already, people are already upset at the CDC for changing recommendations based upon they latest information they have and that is causing "mistrust". LoL.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1644986243]You were super quick to use North Korea as an example because it fit your argument though. I simply threw out a if we are going to do a Monday morning qtrb thing that's one change that could have worked as it did for others. Obviously the success would be tied to numerous variables.
I mean I have seen data that any vaccine is either -99% effective to 99% effective and anything in-between. Obviously there are variables at play from the sources, data collection methods, data quality, broadness of data, sample size, etc, etc. I absolutely do not think the CDC should be "putting out" any information that is not scientifically strong. Every day there are new "studies" (lol@ calling things studies that are just essentially surveys) and look at the sentiment that can be seen ITT already, people are already upset at the CDC for changing recommendations based upon they latest information they have and that is causing "mistrust". LoL.[/QUOTE]
I used North Korea as an example that while strict boarder security helps, highly contagious respiratory diseases still manage to make their way into the population.
The study is posted a few pages back, and by a very pro vaccine poster. Pfizer appears to be about 42% effective in preventing infection for delta. That is when the CDC should be closely evaluating efficacy and responding intelligently. Instead they stopped tracking vaccine failures unless people end up in the hospital. That doesn’t seem like “good science” to me.
There are a lot of highly educated incredibly talented professionals in the CDC. I guarantee a lot of them are pissed off with the direction / marching orders they are given from their politically appointed Directors.
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Undecided if he'll keep social distancing.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644986603]I used North Korea as an example that while strict boarder security helps, highly contagious respiratory diseases still manage to make their way into the population.
The study is posted a few pages back, and by a very pro vaccine poster. Pfizer appears to be about 42% effective in preventing infection for delta. That is when the CDC should be closely evaluating efficacy and responding intelligently. Instead they stopped tracking vaccine failures unless people end up in the hospital. That doesn’t seem like “good science” to me.
There are a lot of highly educated incredibly talented professionals in the CDC. I guarantee a lot of them are pissed off with the direction / marching orders they are given from their politically appointed Directors.[/QUOTE]
To me it very much came off as it it wouldn't work here because of example A. You did say "I don’t think locking down our borders would have mattered honestly. It might have delayed the inevitable, that’s about it. It would have got here, it got to North Korea and they are always “locked down”."
42% at preventing infection sounds tremendous to me. I thought it would be lower TBH. But again I don't get the point in sharing the info, or again to your sentiment why not sharing that is a horrible thing and makes them untrustworthy. They have already been clear they feel vaccines are effective.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1644993723]To me it very much came off as it it wouldn't work here because of example A. You did say "I don’t think locking down our borders would have mattered honestly. It might have delayed the inevitable, that’s about it. It would have got here, it got to North Korea and they are always “locked down”."
42% at preventing infection sounds tremendous to me. I thought it would be lower TBH. But again I don't get the point in sharing the info, or again to your sentiment why not sharing that is a horrible thing and makes them untrustworthy. They have already been clear they feel vaccines are effective.[/QUOTE]
Because Moderna appears to be twice as effective. Do you feel that is not important? Do you think it’s a good idea to not record numbers of vaccine failures? Do you realize the entire point of a vaccine is to create immunity which means preventing infection? The definition is from the CDC from before Covid, so maybe the science has changed lol. This whole “we knew they weren’t going to prevent infection just reduce the symptoms” is bull$hit. The entire vaccine push was for 90%+ efficacy (Pfizer and Moderna). Efficacy being what vaccines are intended to do, which again, is to create immunity and PREVENT infection.
I am amazed by the loss of critical thinking and objectivity. I don’t care what you believe, and I’m not trying to sway your opinion. It’s scary how easily the masses are manipulated. It would be fascinating if it wasn’t likely to lead to the demise of our country. Do you believe that BLM riots helped to reduce covid infections? Pretty sure the CDC made that claim so it must be true, right?
Meanwhile
US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy says though people can gain some immunity protection after contracting Covid-19, it's "not nearly as strong" as the vaccine. Murthy says the population needs as much protection as possible against the more dangerous Delta variant.
[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/surgeon-general-reacts-to-anti-vaxxers-claim-about-natural-immunity/vi-AANltGb?ocid=hplocalnews[/url]
Lol I’d love to see some studies supporting this nonsense.
It is pretty well established that post infection immunity is superior.
The delta variant is not “more dangerous” and this contradicts statements previously made by the CDC, NIH, and the fuking Surgeon General himself. This is insanity, and gullible people just keep getting force fed inaccurate advice.
Dr. Anthony Fauci has dismissed a study that deemed the Moderna vaccine as more effective than the Pfizer one against the COVID-19 delta variant.
The Mayo Clinic and Cambridge-based biotech company nfrence conducted the study, posted in medrvix last week, by analyzing samples of delta variant prevalence in Minnesota from January to July.
When asked if this indicated that individuals should seek a Moderna dose for the booster shot, Fauci disagreed.
"That study … is a pre-print study, it hasn’t been fully peer-reviewed," Fauci said on CBS's "Face the Nation." "I don’t doubt what they’re seeing, but there are a lot of confounding variables in there, about when one was started, the relative amount of people in that cohort who were delta vs alpha – right now, if we get boosters … it’s clear we want to make sure we get people, if possible, to get the boost from the original vaccine."
Fauci once again stressed that he hopes full authorization occurs soon, which will help bolster vaccination efforts.
Centers for Disease Control Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky on Friday approved booster shots for moderate-to-severe immunocompromised individuals, which would utilize either a Pfizer or Moderna dose.
A panel of independent experts determined that the booster shots were a necessary step. Patients eligible for booster shots under the recommendation and amended emergency approval include those with moderate to severe immune system compromise, such as solid organ transplant recipients, patients with advanced or untreated HIV infection, and those taking high-dose corticosteroids and treatments for cancer, among others.
When asked about plans for how to determine new groups to authorize for booster shots, Fauci advised that the government will continue to monitor data on a "daily and weekly basis" to determine if, when, and to whom they will distribute booster shots.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644994543]Because Moderna appears to be twice as effective. Do you feel that is not important? Do you think it’s a good idea to not record numbers of vaccine failures? Do you realize the entire point of a vaccine is to create immunity which means preventing infection? The definition is from the CDC from before Covid, so maybe the science has changed lol. This whole “we knew they weren’t going to prevent infection just reduce the symptoms” is bull$hit. The entire vaccine push was for 90%+ efficacy (Pfizer and Moderna). Efficacy being what vaccines are intended to do, which again, is to create immunity and PREVENT infection.
I am amazed by the loss of critical thinking and objectivity. I don’t care what you believe, and I’m not trying to sway your opinion. It’s scary how easily the masses are manipulated. It would be fascinating if it wasn’t likely to lead to the demise of our country. Do you believe that BLM riots helped to reduce covid infections? Pretty sure the CDC made that claim so it must be true, right?
Meanwhile
US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy says though people can gain some immunity protection after contracting Covid-19, it's "not nearly as strong" as the vaccine. Murthy says the population needs as much protection as possible against the more dangerous Delta variant.
[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/surgeon-general-reacts-to-anti-vaxxers-claim-about-natural-immunity/vi-AANltGb?ocid=hplocalnews[/url]
Lol I’d love to see some studies supporting this nonsense.
It is pretty well established that post infection immunity is superior.
The delta variant is not “more dangerous” and this contradicts statements previously made by the CDC, NIH, and the fuking Surgeon General himself. This is insanity, and gullible people just keep getting force fed inaccurate advice.[/QUOTE]
Post a link to this "study" that you speak of so I can respond from a more informed space.
To answer your barrage of defensive rapid fire questions. Did the vaccine trials Covid test everyone regularly or just Covid test enrollees when symptomatic?
And I don't have any desire to go into BLM, LoL. Maybe you can get someone else to take you up on that.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644997493]Dr. Anthony Fauci has dismissed a study that deemed the Moderna vaccine as more effective than the Pfizer one against the COVID-19 delta variant.
The Mayo Clinic and Cambridge-based biotech company nfrence conducted the study, posted in medrvix last week, by analyzing samples of delta variant prevalence in Minnesota from January to July.
When asked if this indicated that individuals should seek a Moderna dose for the booster shot, Fauci disagreed.
"That study … is a pre-print study, it hasn’t been fully peer-reviewed," Fauci said on CBS's "Face the Nation." "I don’t doubt what they’re seeing, but there are a lot of confounding variables in there, about when one was started, the relative amount of people in that cohort who were delta vs alpha – right now, if we get boosters … it’s clear we want to make sure we get people, if possible, to get the boost from the original vaccine."
Fauci once again stressed that he hopes full authorization occurs soon, which will help bolster vaccination efforts.
Centers for Disease Control Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky on Friday approved booster shots for moderate-to-severe immunocompromised individuals, which would utilize either a Pfizer or Moderna dose.
A panel of independent experts determined that the booster shots were a necessary step. Patients eligible for booster shots under the recommendation and amended emergency approval include those with moderate to severe immune system compromise, such as solid organ transplant recipients, patients with advanced or untreated HIV infection, and those taking high-dose corticosteroids and treatments for cancer, among others.
When asked about plans for how to determine new groups to authorize for booster shots, Fauci advised that the government will continue to monitor data on a "daily and weekly basis" to determine if, when, and to whom they will distribute booster shots.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, this saved me some time for sure, although I'll have to find other means of procrastination at my desk tomorrow. lol.
But yes this is absolutely information the CDC should act on immediately (sarcasm).
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Late to the thread but no.
"When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind"
-C.S. Lewis
[QUOTE=LWW;1645021403]"When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind"
-C.S. Lewis[/QUOTE]
Yep while the world rushes like sheep to the slaughter me I just continue Un vaxxed Un masked Un Un Un Just moving forward toward my goals without a worry.... Jeesh bro I think your the only one in this forum with any sense... My Covid solution Squat heavy, Puke Squat some more then Relax. See thats Flushing toxins including the flu bu out of your system and improving and strengthening the immune system Seems Reasonable lol
[QUOTE=charlievanriper;1645024263] My Covid solution Squat heavy, Puke Squat some more then Relax. See thats Flushing toxins including the flu bu out of your system and improving and strengthening the immune system Seems Reasonable lol[/QUOTE]
Very good logic that is sadly lost today!
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[url]www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9898003/Outspoken-COVID-vaccine-critic-Cardinal-Burke-ventilator-catching-coronavirus.html[/url]
Anti-masker Cardinal who decried COVID vaccines and said they would lead to microchips in people's bodies is on a ventilator after catching the virus in Michigan
Raymond L. Burke, 73, has criticized the safety and rollout of COVID vaccines
The cardinal is on a ventilator in Wisconsin, where he caught the virus
He was often seen walking mask-less, with rosary beads, in Rome
In May, he decried 'totalitarian' vaccine mandates and said they could lead to 'microchips' so that people can be 'controlled by the State'
He has not said if he's been vaccinated
In a tweet over the weekend, his team urged people to 'pray the Rosary for him'
jzus these guys....
[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/a-southwest-airlines-flight-attendant-died-from-covid-19-less-than-2-months-after-testing-positive-following-a-trip-to-hawaii-reports-say/ar-AANjD7f?ocid=uxbndlbing[/url]
Fully vaccinated 36 Yo dies of COVID
[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/illinois-senate-president-don-harmon-contracts-breakthrough-case-of-covid-19-says-symptoms-are-mild/ar-AANnXla?ocid=hplocalnews[/url]
Local fully vaxxed politician has breakthrough covid case -doesn't count yet though unless he ends up hospitalized or dead...