Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=LWW;1642851023]Thought you put me on ignore? I guess not.....................

So what your saying is you put a mask on, then take it off touching it and all the filthy germs, then you touch other objects, then touch your mask again and put on your face?

Interesting......................

Rest my case:)[/QUOTE]

I don’t know how you handle your mask, but I handle it only from the strings that go around my ears.

Inside of my mask touches nothing but my face. I do rest my mask on the table (on a napkin) - cuz no other option.

Buying insurance mitigates risk but it does not guarantee that you’re not exposed to that risk.

Like I said, it was a personal decision we made after getting vaccinated that we’re gonna start eating out again and going public places cuz you know gotta live too. Setting the mask down on the table exposes us yes, but it’s better than not having a mask on 100% of the time.

Man, you must be real fun to work with. Bless all your co-workers.

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1642851483]I don’t know how you handle your mask, but I handle it only from the strings that go around my ears.

Inside of my mask touches nothing but my face. I do rest my mask on the table (on a napkin) - cuz no other option.

Buying insurance mitigates risk but it does not guarantee that you’re not exposed to that risk.

Like I said, it was a personal decision we made after getting vaccinated that we’re gonna start eating out again and going public places cuz you know gotta live too. Setting the mask down on the table exposes us yes, but it’s better than not having a mask on 100% of the time.

Man, you must be real fun to work with. Bless all your co-workers.[/QUOTE]


So the mask protects you?

I remember seeing those fuking morons on TV (fauci and all them), each one of those stupid azzholes wore a mask to the microphone, took it off and put on the same place on the podium, I couldn't fuking believe it!!!!

Luckily I'm around people who also think the masks are ridiculous and we all laugh when seeing the dumazz walking around outside alone with one on:)

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1642848013]Oh, got it. I thought you were implying they would have increased protection which would be hard to determine given the extremely low number of confirmed reinfection. I would expect to see increased immune response, but so far the short term circulating antibodies don’t seem to be the factor in post infection immunity (cell mediated immunity Ts and helper Ts seem to be driving that).

Even if there are increased breakthrough infections in vaccinated people, they appear to be resulting in mild disease, I would hope that the mild breakthrough cases would result in additional natural immunity. I wasn’t suggesting going for natural immunity as a public health strategy, since we have vaccines that are effective, but it seems that is the route some people are going to go based on vaccination levels in some states. Of course there’s always a chance of vaccination levels naturally picking back up in the fall when some of these areas start to see significant caseloads and corresponding deaths in the higher risk groups.

Why is the WHO / CDC now indicating that a booster would be dangerous for vaccinated people, when in all likelihood, elderly and immunocompromised might need them by the fall?[/QUOTE]

I haven't seen the data or details on which populations are at increased risk from a vaccination or from which vaccines. I was only responding about the potential for increased immunity because we really don't know if there's any improvement, but there is some reason to suspect there is. Based on what I know, I think the only reason to offer a vaccine to someone who previously was diagnosed would be if they're a high risk population and their infection wasn't actually confirmed by PCR. If someone has antibodies, I wouldn't vaccinate them.

The correlation between antibody levels and cross immunity in viral infections is interesting. There are too many things I just don't know to comment intelligently on the nuances. I don't even know if we can measure the level of mature cd-4 and 8 cells that recognize the COVID antigens attached to the MHC1, or if that correlates with circulating ab levels. Interesting stuff, but I won't learn it until it gets into a big journal or I go to a presentation on it. Not my area of expertise, but now that I'm thinking about it, I will ask a buddy I'll see tomorrow about measuring specific mature T cell levels. Seems much harder than an assay for an antibody.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1642853023]I haven't seen the data or details on which populations are at increased risk from a vaccination or from which vaccines. I was only responding about the potential for increased immunity because we really don't know if there's any improvement, but there is some reason to suspect there is. Based on what I know, I think the only reason to offer a vaccine to someone who previously was diagnosed would be if they're a high risk population and their infection wasn't actually confirmed by PCR. If someone has antibodies, I wouldn't vaccinate them.

The correlation between antibody levels and cross immunity in viral infections is interesting. There are too many things I just don't know to comment intelligently on the nuances. I don't even know if we can measure the level of mature cd-4 and 8 cells that recognize the COVID antigens attached to the MHC1, or if that correlates with circulating ab levels. Interesting stuff, but I won't learn it until it gets into a big journal or I go to a presentation on it. Not my area of expertise, but now that I'm thinking about it, I will ask a buddy I'll see tomorrow about measuring specific mature T cell levels. Seems much harder than an assay for an antibody.[/QUOTE]

It seemed that there was still a LOT to learn about immunology when I was in school. I remember a lot if “we don’t fully know/understand that yet” responses. My focus was microbiology/ pathology in that realm of things. The discovery of CAS9 / CRISPR was well after my time, but that seems incredibly interesting for future medical implications. If 30+% of the human genome is “junk” viral genetic material what can be done on that end of things. It would seem to be that long-term immunity “hides” in our DNA. It would also likely have implications in curing genetic diseases sickle cell etc.

Plateau, I had to quote you again because this is so important for all areas of government and the private sector. I have been in DC for a while now and see this all the time.

"the game of people bouncing back and fourth from regulatory / policy / decision making public sector jobs and private sector for profit companies. The people who sell products and services also create the regulations / policy /recommendations for the public sector through revolving door jobs, special interest groups, and lobbyists. However, people need to be able to make their own decisions, which is increasingly difficult with misinformation and suppression of information from the people who are supposed to provide factual data. This happens across all sectors......"

I just got my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine this morning so what should I expect ?

[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1642899623]I just got my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine this morning so what should I expect ?[/QUOTE] As I mentioned several times before I am pro vax (when chosen) but against forced vax. From your other posts about how you didn't want to have it, I'm sad to hear you were forced into it. You got to look after your income so it's clear you had to do it, but I feel sad about this one. Sorry to hear it...

[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1642899623]I just got my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine this morning so what should I expect ?[/QUOTE]


I felt nothing from the first or second Pfizer shot, arm wasn't even very sore... Good luck with yours, hopefully you get away as easy as I did.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1642855613]It seemed that there was still a LOT to learn about immunology when I was in school. I remember a lot if “we don’t fully know/understand that yet” responses. My focus was microbiology/ pathology in that realm of things. The discovery of CAS9 / CRISPR was well after my time, but that seems incredibly interesting for future medical implications. If 30+% of the human genome is “junk” viral genetic material what can be done on that end of things. It would seem to be that long-term immunity “hides” in our DNA. It would also likely have implications in curing genetic diseases sickle cell etc.[/QUOTE]

My son read about CRISPR in an MIT tech journal a couple of years ago. Guess he was a junior in HS at the time, and he thought it had potential. So I read the article and I bought a little Editas, Crispr Tx, Intellia, and Beam for each of my kids. Wish I'd bought more, obviously, but my kids might be able to retire on it someday. Or, we could discover a bad long term side effect from off target edits and all 4 could crash and burn. I'm watching Precision BioSciences too and invested a little in them. Not sure how well their system will work in vivo, but if it does, the fact that it takes 12 times as long to design and produce doesn't bother me. Once they design the tool, there's still 4 or 5 years of studies and ramp up, so if crispr takes 5 years and one month, and ARCUS takes 6 years, who cares. That one could be a sleeper. Maybe they'll spin off a division that will cure male pattern baldness and become a trillion dollar company :)

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1642900073]As I mentioned several times before I am pro vax (when chosen) but against forced vax. From your other posts about how you didn't want to have it, I'm sad to hear you were forced into it. You got to look after your income so it's clear you had to do it, but I feel sad about this one. Sorry to hear it...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, not speaking for him but there supposedly lots of jobs and not enough people to fill them, getting out of the big money is a bummer but it’s very concerning to in a company that isn’t even humane enough to inform an employee they being terminated, big corp sucks.

Glad I’m a cretin.

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1642892463]Plateau, I had to quote you again because this is so important for all areas of government and the private sector. I have been in DC for a while now and see this all the time.

"the game of people bouncing back and fourth from regulatory / policy / decision making public sector jobs and private sector for profit companies. The people who sell products and services also create the regulations / policy /recommendations for the public sector through revolving door jobs, special interest groups, and lobbyists. However, people need to be able to make their own decisions, which is increasingly difficult with misinformation and suppression of information from the people who are supposed to provide factual data. This happens across all sectors......"[/QUOTE]

Yeah, in a way it’s necessary to an extent. The people who understand things in greater detail are the people in the industry, I mean it’s not like the the average politician understands things like agriculture, pharmaceuticals, weather, geology etc etc. it’s been going on forever. Back in the 1800s railroad tycoons practically ran parts of the government, before that it was companies with ships. I think it’s necessary and I am involved in special interest groups in my industry, but at the same time there needs to be a level of ethics and accountability.

L.A. County just announced it will reimpose an indoor mask mandate, regardless of your vaccination status, beginning Saturday night at 11:59 pm.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1642927163]L.A. County just announced it will reimpose an indoor mask mandate, regardless of your vaccination status, beginning Saturday night at 11:59 pm.[/QUOTE]lol at people living on the west coast. They voted 'em in, let them live with their "rulings"...

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1642927163]L.A. County just announced it will reimpose an indoor mask mandate, regardless of your vaccination status, beginning Saturday night at 11:59 pm.[/QUOTE]

Lol @LWW

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1642927163]L.A. County just announced it will reimpose an indoor mask mandate, regardless of your vaccination status, beginning Saturday night at 11:59 pm.[/QUOTE]

I'm a pro-science kind of guy but I fail to see how this follows the evidence or has any meaningful impact from a risk management perspective.

[QUOTE=blue9steel;1642940323]I'm a pro-science kind of guy but I fail to see how this follows the evidence or has any meaningful impact from a risk management perspective.[/QUOTE]

No one knows for sure (mostly no one I guess). For those who are right about this, their voice is dampened by the bullchit fukery we’ve got going on news channels, social media and people talking...passing on their thoughts and feelings as fact. (People say anything - I recently got poison ivy and was in terrible condition for about a week. And my research on credible websites and opinions of people were FAR from each other. Exact opposite in most cases. I followed my credible sources and got better)

Nothing makes any sense regarding this covid - I call it a dust storm of information.

I got vaccinated a month or so ago after holding up for a while - cuz I wasn’t sure what the right thing to do is. After seeing the recent development of delta, I’m sort of wishing I had waited a bit longer. Our plan was to wait till 1.5yrs and finally caved in cuz not dining out and being chit worried doing outdoor/indoor activities was taking a toll on my sanity.

Oh well we shall see...

Audio recordings surface that Sharon Osborne was setup by the producers and the ladies of color on the talk played a role it.

Sad world with these movements.

Child Tax Credits.

Biden admin is now giving tax credits for having kids, I guess they think Climate Change is only caused by oil alone? If they thought climate Change was real, they'd give a tax credit for NOT having kids.

Cuba here we come.

Bando is loving this:) he can buy some beer now.

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1642942303]I got vaccinated a month or so ago after holding up for a while - cuz I wasn’t sure what the right thing to do is.[/QUOTE]

Based on all the data I've seen you made the right decision. There are times where wearing a mask makes sense even if you're vaccinated, but a blanket mandate at this point doesn't seem well supported.

[QUOTE=LWW;1642942383]Audio recordings surface that Sharon Osborne was setup by the producers and the ladies of color on the talk played a role it.

Sad world with these movements.[/QUOTE]



Still caught up in the womens talks shows huh



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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1642902143]My son read about CRISPR in an MIT tech journal a couple of years ago. Guess he was a junior in HS at the time, and he thought it had potential. So I read the article and I bought a little Editas, Crispr Tx, Intellia, and Beam for each of my kids. Wish I'd bought more, obviously, but my kids might be able to retire on it someday. Or, we could discover a bad long term side effect from off target edits and all 4 could crash and burn. I'm watching Precision BioSciences too and invested a little in them. Not sure how well their system will work in vivo, but if it does, the fact that it takes 12 times as long to design and produce doesn't bother me. Once they design the tool, there's still 4 or 5 years of studies and ramp up, so if crispr takes 5 years and one month, and ARCUS takes 6 years, who cares. That one could be a sleeper. Maybe they'll spin off a division that will cure male pattern baldness and become a trillion dollar company :)[/QUOTE]
I just learned about it a year or so ago in a Netflix documentary “Human Nature” or something like that. I’m sure it will take some time and effort to get to the point where it is able to be used effectively, but seems pretty amazing. Not sure of the ethics involved since it could also be used to make super soldiers who feel no pain etc. All because some yogurt culture maker saw the genetic changes in bacteria that were not killed by viruses that inadvertently tainted some culture batches.

[QUOTE=blue9steel;1642940323]I'm a pro-science kind of guy but I fail to see how this follows the evidence or has any meaningful impact from a risk management perspective.[/QUOTE]

When I hear someone say they are "pro-science", I instantly know that person cannot even define the word "science."

Not reading thru 109 pages so is there a "Cliffs Notes" version of whom is or is not getting vaccinated?

[QUOTE=blue9steel;1642940323]I'm a pro-science kind of guy but I fail to see how this follows the evidence or has any meaningful impact from a risk management perspective.[/QUOTE]

I am also pro-science.

I am also pro-freedom, pro-liberty, pro-life, pro-gun.

And gubmint and corporatists have always been anti all of these ^^ above.

So,

there is real science, which should be third-party, and fake-science generated by gubmint-funded pseudo-scientists.

Any organization funded by gubmint should always be questioned - just like public schools, which do nothing but indoctrinate and brainwash our kids.

I called this. They are going to shut us down again. Not because of science, but because of slavery and control.

Any sheep who is not awake by now will never be enlightened.

The picture is so clear. But only the few see the real agenda.

[QUOTE=eomrat;1642961743]When I hear someone say they are "pro-science", I instantly know that person cannot even define the word "science."[/QUOTE]

I can define it.

Science.

Create hypothesis, gather data, analyze and confirm, come to a conclusion, then wash, rinse, and repeat.

But one must also be open-minded enough to allow others to do the same, and then compare objectively and without emotion.

Gubmint science is NO science. Just ask my state's former health secretary who preached 'trust science' yet he/she is a biological male who now self-identifies as female. He/she wants all to trust his/her science, except for chromosomes, cuz dat $hit is racist.

Gubmint science is one-sided and manipulated because there is always an agenda. Any differing conclusions are marked as pseudo.

Goat Man's conclusion: any sheep who trust gubmint learned nothing from history.

[QUOTE=LWW;1642944053]Child Tax Credits.

Biden admin is now giving tax credits for having kids, I guess they think Climate Change is only caused by oil alone? If they thought climate Change was real, they'd give a tax credit for NOT having kids.

Cuba here we come.

Bando is loving this:) he can buy some beer now.[/QUOTE]

I am actually with you on this one.

[QUOTE=LWW;1642944053]Child Tax Credits.

Biden admin is now giving tax credits for having kids, I guess they think Climate Change is only caused by oil alone? If they thought climate Change was real, they'd give a tax credit for NOT having kids.

Cuba here we come.

Bando is loving this:) he can buy some beer now.[/QUOTE]

It's a form of UBI.

The central banks must find reason to keep printing digits or the system implodes.

UBI is a form of slavery. Even the former USSR did not have UBI.

So while Cubans and Venezuelans are desperately trying to flee commie-nism, leftist American commie retards want to go full commie retard. Liberals - white liberals in particular - are the worst form of rectal cancer to humanity.

You can't make this $hit up.

I am

The Sovereign Goat Man

[QUOTE=LWW;1642944053]Child Tax Credits.

Biden admin is now giving tax credits for having kids, I guess they think Climate Change is only caused by oil alone? If they thought climate Change was real, they'd give a tax credit for NOT having kids.

Cuba here we come.

Bando is loving this:) he can buy some beer now.[/QUOTE]

child tax credits actually benefits working families. wish they go straight credits instead of welfare. change my mind.

[QUOTE=eomrat;1642961743]When I hear someone say they are "pro-science", I instantly know that person cannot even define the word "science."[/QUOTE]

A friend asked me if I was getting vaccinated. I said no. He replied that he was surprised that there are still people who don't "believe science" (exact phrasing).

[QUOTE=eomrat;1642961743]When I hear someone say they are "pro-science", I instantly know that person cannot even define the word "science."[/QUOTE]

Saying you are "pro-science" is really nothing more than a political affirmation. Few (if any) of the recommendations we have received were based on any science. Not saying that is a bad thing...We didn't have time to allow the scientific process unfold, but let's not pretend something is "science" just because your favorite political official says so.