[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2.full[/url]
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[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2.full[/url]
lets discuss this.
[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2.full[/url]
Let's discuss this.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1640928183][url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2.full[/url]
Let's discuss this.[/QUOTE]
It's exactly what you'd expect given: "SARS-CoV-2 infection was defined as a positive nucleic acid amplification test. The date of infection was taken to be the date of onset of symptoms when available, and the date of specimen collection when not."
People who actually had an infection should be immune. What did you want to discuss?
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1640930433]It's exactly what you'd expect given: "SARS-CoV-2 infection was defined as a positive nucleic acid amplification test. The date of infection was taken to be the date of onset of symptoms when available, and the date of specimen collection when not."
People who actually had an infection should be immune. What did you want to discuss?[/QUOTE]
The media is using it as a way to say that you may not need to be vaccinated based on the number of employees and only some staff getting it. I am sure that you have seen this before, a study is published and journalists attempt to spin the data in the article. The short/quick conclusion was if you had Covid= then no shot.
More evidence suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019
A new analysis of blood samples from 24,000 Americans taken early last year is the latest and largest study to suggest that the new coronavirus popped up in the U.S. in December 2019 — weeks before cases were first recognized by health officials.
The analysis is not definitive, and some experts remain skeptical, but federal health officials are increasingly accepting a timeline in which small numbers of COVID-19 infections may have occurred in the U.S. before the world ever became aware of a dangerous new virus erupting in China.
“The studies are pretty consistent,” said Natalie Thornburg of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
[url]https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/evidence-suggests-covid-19-us-christmas-2019-78288906[/url]
[QUOTE=eomrat;1640911213]"[i]You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to steffo99 again.[/i]"[/QUOTE]
I got this!
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1640934033]The media is using it as a way to say that you may not need to be vaccinated based on the number of employees and only some staff getting it. I am sure that you have seen this before, a study is published and journalists attempt to spin the data in the article. The short/quick conclusion was if you had Covid= then no shot.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know they were already spinning it. Gotta laugh at stuff like that.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1640934333]More evidence suggests COVID-19 was in US by Christmas 2019
[/QUOTE]
The night before my daughter flew to Ireland for a semester abroad, which was the first or second week of January 2020, I put a bunch of N95 masks in her backpack. I told her the virus was likely already in every developed country with a lot of travelers and she'd want them eventually.
She took them out saying I was being stupid, but I snuck them back in after she went to bed.
On Jan 25th when I flew to Belgium for work. My daughter and some of her friends met me there and we spent a few days as tourists. By then people were beginning to realize things could get bad and her friends took all but one of the N95's I had brought with me. They left me that one in case there was a sick person on one of my flights since I could get called to evaluate them.
Granted I'm in an industry where we pay attention to pandemics, and I did some work related to H5N1 in 2008 which made me a bit of a prepper, but a lot of us knew in January 2020 that we were in trouble. It would have been silly to think it hadn't arrived long before China locked down Wuhan. My colleagues and I had assumed it was already in NYC/SF/Chicago and a few other places when I left for Belgium, and were expecting masking recommendations in February. We were disappointed, but that's pretty typical when politics intersects with science and healthcare. Nice it only took 18 months for the US to get mostly past it.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1640841933]The point is, you didn't want the vaccine, even stated in the initial quote that you werent getting it. In fact you got the vaccine because someone else wanted you to, that is no diferent than someone getting it because their employer wanted them to, their next door neighbor or Fauchi wanting them to. You got something you said you weren't going to.
IMO that makes you a bigger hypocrite than someone who just got the vaccine because it was suggested, at least they didn't have their mind changed by someone else.
So the point is, you aren't any better than anyone else that got the jab, and in some cases worse. So get off your high horse before you fall off and break your neck you little fart.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/izUnXlo.gif[/img]
PS: All of this could have been avoided if you asked your wife about getting vaxxed before you shot your lips of and said you weren't getting it, like some kind of tough guy. :D[/QUOTE]
I told the dr when he was alone with me I didn’t want the shot.
My wife told him to schedule me, so I did it, I’m against companies and gov forcing it but I’m not afraid of the shot nor getting Covid. I get into fights with my wife every god damn weekend I don’t need another one, usually it’s about going to the gym, I tell her “too bad” and leave if she don’t want me to go, because my gym isn’t open all the time. That’s one battle I won’t stand down on, the shot I will just suck it up.
I never said anything about people who are forced to get the shot by their company, unless they agree with thier company.
I at least told the dr. No as I would tell my company, look I really don’t want to be forced to get this thing.
Btw I called keep it moving last chance for some odd reason.
got the first jab of astrazeneca in april, second set to july 7. so far so good.
Soo..what are the thoughts of the CDC ITT?
Can anyone please explain why they would put this out?
Srs question..
[url]https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/zombie/index.htm[/url]
Question is srs
My employer- you must get the shot in order to work here, unless it’s for religion or health.
Me- it’s against my religion.
My employer- what is your religion?
Me- I’m American!!! What are you?
What is this religion exemption BS? That is totally fuked up, it’s not like your religion won’t spread Covid.
This is all companies acting in fear, the religion thing says it all, god damn pussy millionaires will sell thier soul to make a buck, fuk ‘em all.
[QUOTE=LWW;1640943203]My employer- you must get the shot in order to work here, unless it’s for religion or health.
Me- it’s against my religion.
My employer- what is your religion?
Me- I’m American!!! What are you?
What is this religion exemption BS? That is totally fuked up, it’s not like your religion won’t spread Covid.
This is all companies acting in fear, the religion thing says it all, god damn pussy millionaires will sell thier soul to make a buck, fuk ‘em all.[/QUOTE]
Did this really happen? or are you throwing out hypotheticals.
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1640942473]Soo..what are the thoughts of the CDC ITT?
Can anyone please explain why they would put this out?
Srs question..
[url]https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/zombie/index.htm[/url]
Question is srs[/QUOTE]
What?? Already? they said July?? Who changed the schedule, was it that damn Bill Gates again.
Better go out and buy a felling axe quick, those suckers are going to sell out faster than toilet paper in the great 2020 Covid scare once the nano vaccine zombie gene therapy is activated by the 5g pulse. Get a chainsaw too if you can
[QUOTE=LWW;1640943203]My employer- you must get the shot in order to work here, unless it’s for religion or health.
Me- it’s against my religion.
My employer- what is your religion?
Me- I’m American!!! What are you?
What is this religion exemption BS? That is totally fuked up, it’s not like your religion won’t spread Covid.
This is all companies acting in fear, the religion thing says it all, god damn pussy millionaires will sell thier soul to make a buck, fuk ‘em all.[/QUOTE]
Your employer doesn’t have a legal right to ask about your religion.
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1640942473]
Can anyone please explain why they would put this out?
Question is srs[/QUOTE]
It’s been a thing for years, and the guide itself is purposely (and obviously) written with humorous and tongue in cheek language. The CDC is using humor through irony to point out how important it is to plan for every eventuality using a popular but highly unrealistic horror trope.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1640944673]Did this really happen? or are you throwing out hypotheticals.[/QUOTE]
That’s my MEME.
Don’t want your promises no more, cause Rock and Roll is my religion and my law.......
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1640946473]What?? Already? they said July?? Who changed the schedule, was it that damn Bill Gates again.
Better go out and buy a felling axe quick, those suckers are going to sell out faster than toilet paper in the great 2020 Covid scare once the nano vaccine zombie gene therapy is activated by the 5g pulse. Get a chainsaw too if you can[/QUOTE]
Very funny, but seriously, why would they put that out?
[QUOTE=7Seconds;1640949073]It’s been a thing for years, and the guide itself is purposely (and obviously) written with humorous and tongue in cheek language. The CDC is using humor through irony to point out how important it is to plan for every eventuality using a popular but highly unrealistic horror trope.[/QUOTE]
Do you really think it is unrealistic?
Have you ever come across a deer or animal
With Prion disease/zombie disease?
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/zombie-deer-disease-spreading-us/story%3fid=61107970[/url]
[url]https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2015/06/researchers-make-surprising-discovery-about-spread-of-chronic-wasting-disease/[/url]
Prion disease CAN happen in humans, correct?
I did not think the CDC was in the business of being jokesters..
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1640908223]I have none but I do try and keep up with the laws while on sabbatical. ;)
I didn't write the law. Its not a HIPAA nor a ADA violation to ask if someone is vaccinated no matter what scenario you throw at it. You'll also notice I said vaccine and not Covid for a reason. I would NOT ask if a potential new hire or a current employee had had Covid as that is real close to the line of ADA. But vaccines? No issue. You can then take each employee on a case by case basis.
I do not know what every single business is choosing to do with those who are already employed not getting the shot. Sounds like a nightmare and I'm glad not to have to deal with it :D I'm sure that this issue will end up in court too but using it as a screening is NOT a violation of anything unless something has changed in the last 6 months that I've missed.
Each business would need to decide what is reasonable for themselves. Its not a cookie cutter answer. The fact is, business can screen for vaccinated employees/potential employees so long as they are doing it for everyone. Will it be challenged in court? Yup but what KIM said was not factual.
I'd also add that I'd make it clear that all potential employees would be required (if the business leaders dictated) to be vaccinated as a condition of employment. Anyone can choose to apply or not. I would not want it to be a surprise and I would have my recruiters/screeners make it clear as to avoid any confusion. These decisions are typically filtered through counsel because lawyers need to get paid too. Then the free market can decide and the business can adjust, if necessary.[/QUOTE]
You obviously didn’t read my response correctly, and did not quote it in it’s entirety. Employers can ask, but they can also find themselves on the wrong end of a lawsuit if they don’t play their cards right. Also person is under no obligation to provide them the info.
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1640956373]Do you really think it is unrealistic?
Have you ever come across a deer or animal
With Prion disease/zombie disease?
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/zombie-deer-disease-spreading-us/story%3fid=61107970[/url]
[url]https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2015/06/researchers-make-surprising-discovery-about-spread-of-chronic-wasting-disease/[/url]
Prion disease CAN happen in humans, correct?
I did not think the CDC was in the business of being jokesters..[/QUOTE]
Dude, this has been around for a long time. I hunt and process my own game. Anytime you are processesing any wild game you should use caution. There are a variety of potential pathogens present. Typically, those types of diseases are associated with brain and spinal fluid (CNS tissues). Don’t eat raw deer brains or try to pierce yourself with a dripping fresh vertebrae and you should be okay on zombie deer illnesss. Also not a great idea to process game yourself unless you know what you’re doing.
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1640908223]I have none but I do try and keep up with the laws while on sabbatical. ;)[/QUOTE]
Aren't you still an undergrad? You don't get sabbatical until PhD. lol
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1640956373]Do you really think it is unrealistic?
Have you ever come across a deer or animal
With Prion disease/zombie disease?
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/zombie-deer-disease-spreading-us/story%3fid=61107970[/url]
[url]https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2015/06/researchers-make-surprising-discovery-about-spread-of-chronic-wasting-disease/[/url]
Prion disease CAN happen in humans, correct?
I did not think the CDC was in the business of being jokesters..[/QUOTE]
Oh hell…
This is UK, not US, but maybe this is a barometer of the future
In England and Wales, the law is passing through that workers in residential care must be vaccinated to work there. Docs here are already required to have hep B vaccination so this isn't breaking new ground, rather than a step further down an existing path
Not sure when the law comes into force, or whether there is a legal clause for people who shouldn't be vaccinated on medical grounds (specific allergy or previous serious reaction for example)
Presumably other healthcare workers to follow in further legislation?
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1640976543]This is UK, not US, but maybe this is a barometer of the future
In England and Wales, the law is passing through that workers in residential care must be vaccinated to work there. Docs here are already required to have hep B vaccination so this isn't breaking new ground, rather than a step further down an existing path
Not sure when the law comes into force, or whether there is a legal clause for people who shouldn't be vaccinated on medical grounds (specific allergy or previous serious reaction for example)
Presumably other healthcare workers to follow in further legislation?[/QUOTE]
A long anticipated “temporary emergency safety regulation” which was recently released by the Department of Labor will only apply to medical workers. I’m not sure what is more ridiculous, that they are releasing a mandatory compliance standard for “protecting” workers at this stage of the game or the fact that it only applies to medical workers. Must be more of dat der science. I’m thrilled it’s not the draconian package that Cal-OSHA put together to basically destroy any business they want, but it’s still pretty silly to create a mandatory compliance safety standard specific for covid when it’s basically over and when it would have been effective in reducing fatalities (patients more than staff) more than a year ago. The entire reg was already made from various flu pandemic scares that never panned out over the years. Just when you thought government couldn’t get more incompetent, they double down on the effort.
[QUOTE=illriginalized;1640948613]Your employer doesn’t have a legal right to ask about your religion.[/QUOTE]
This is false.
[QUOTE=eomrat;1640982373]This is false.[/QUOTE]
How?
Can an employer ask about your sexual preferences?
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1640965833]You obviously didn’t read my response correctly, and did not quote it in it’s entirety. Employers can ask, but they can also find themselves on the wrong end of a lawsuit if they don’t play their cards right. Also person is under no obligation to provide them the info.[/QUOTE]
No, I quoted your entire post just split and addressed it by splitting the main ideas up. I feel like I read it correctly, maybe I misunderstood, IDK I'm kinda retarded.
As it stands they CAN ask if you've been vaccinated w/o violating ADA or HIPAA. Not sure what the argument is, Tim.
What does "playing their cards right" even mean? If you're going to make your argument based on other variables you can shift any scenario to fit your argument. As the law stands RIGHT NOW asking if one has been vaccinated isn't a violation.
You're right there is no obligation to answer and the employer has no obligation to offer or continue employment. Again what's your argument here, srs?
[QUOTE=Bando;1640971063]Aren't you still an undergrad? You don't get sabbatical until PhD. lol[/QUOTE]
I stopped 1/2 through my Masters so yes just an undergrad. I play by my own rules :D
[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1640982663]How?[/QUOTE]
How is it false?
Well, it is a statement not according with truth or fact; incorrect.
[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1640982663]Can an employer ask about your sexual preferences?[/QUOTE]
You are aware that sexual preference and religion are not the same?
[QUOTE=eomrat;1640983493]How is it false?
Well, it is a statement not according with truth or fact; incorrect.
You are aware that sexual preference and religion are not the same?[/QUOTE]
What if my religion dictates my sexual preference?
[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1640982663]How?
Can an employer ask about your sexual preferences?[/QUOTE]
Like many things its not as simple as "Yes' or "No".
There are exceptions. If its not job related its an issue. If you're applying at a religious organization they are exempt from the Federal Law and can certainly ask and hire based on an applicants religion.
When in doubt (in the US) check with the EEOC.