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[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1636643303]At no point did lockdowns, masks or mandates prove to slow the spread, in fact quite the opposite. That was my point..[/QUOTE]
Nope. I said I used to get common colds before covid when I was around people, and you said something against that. You or somebody..I can't remember since I talk to too many people.
Tell me how my conclusion that somebody who doesn't agree that common colds spread from other people is so crazy that you are asking if I'm medicated?
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1636643303]That was my point..[/QUOTE]
You don't seem to realize that no one cares about your point.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1636643803]
Tell me how my conclusion that somebody who doesn't agree that common colds spread from other people is so crazy that you are asking if I'm medicated?[/QUOTE]
He can't refute your conclusion, he can only post links to stuff he didn't even read.
[QUOTE=eomrat;1636643843]You don't seem to realize that no one cares about your point.[/QUOTE]
Well I would like to know how if you're locked up in your house you can still get infected?
I thought you get infected from other people. That was my point that before covid I was always sick, in lockdown I haven't been sick.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1636643803]Nope. I said I used to get common colds before covid when I was around people, and you said something against that. You or somebody..I can't remember since I talk to too many people.
Tell me how my conclusion that somebody who doesn't agree that common colds spread from other people is so crazy that you are asking if I'm medicated?[/QUOTE]
Of course colds spread from person to person, last I checked that is how Covid spreads as well. If lockdowns did not work for Covid, why would they work for the common cold? Last I checked the cv viron is smaller that influenza
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1636642973]...
[url]https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/covid-19-vaccine-researchers-mindful-of-immune-enhancement-67576[/url]
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Interesting article. This is only relevant to viruses that can infect macro****es, which they say they didn't know when they wrote it, however it has been shown that SARS-CoV-2 *can* infect macro****es. However
1) This effect was tested for in AZ trials and not observed then or since in vaccinated populations of millions (so far anyway..)
2) It's the same theoretical issue if you get the virus or receive the vaccination and later encounter a different strain. So if this problem arrises in time with different strains being "helped', vaccination is likely no worse than "helped" by previous natural exposure
The risks to a population from being vaccination still seems significantly lower than the risks arising from not being vaccinated. IMHO.
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1636644333]Of course colds spread from person to person, last I checked that is how Covid spreads as well. If lockdowns did not work for Covid, why would they work for the common cold? Last I checked the cv viron is smaller that influenza[/QUOTE]
How am I getting covid in lockdown if I don't see other people?
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1636644333]Of course colds spread from person to person, last I checked that is how Covid spreads as well. If lockdowns did not work for Covid, why would they work for the common cold? Last I checked the cv viron is smaller that influenza[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cass40;1636644493]How am I getting covid in lockdown if I don't see other people?[/QUOTE]
Maybe you can stay locked up in your house but most still have to go outside at some point. Groceries, work, etc. Live in an appointment or condo, remember early outbreak in an apartment building at Wuhan where there were no plumbing traps and thus gas (aerosol) from people's scat was getting into other people's apartments and the outbreak occurred across floors units where the individuals had no reasonable possibility of personal or droplet contact.
Paul's last few posts have been about the potential of getting more sick after vaccination and experiencing a re-infection (or being a Breakthrough case).
There is now some data out there of Breakthrough cases. Granted, it's not a lot of data, but data nonetheless.
[url]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html[/url]
[quote]COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC
As of April 13, 2021, more than 75 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 since December 14, 2020.
During the same time, CDC received 5,814 reports of vaccine breakthrough infections from 43 U.S. states and territories.
Vaccine breakthrough infections were reported among people of all ages eligible for vaccination.
2,622 (45%) of the reported infections were among people ≥60 years of age.
3,752 (65%) of the people experiencing a breakthrough infection were female.
1,695 (29%) of the vaccine breakthrough infections were reported as asymptomatic.
396 (7%) people with breakthrough infections were known to be hospitalized and 74 (1%) died.
Of the 396 hospitalized patients, 133 (34%) were reported as asymptomatic or hospitalized for a reason not related to COVID-19.
Of the 74 fatal cases, 9 (12%) were reported as asymptomatic or the patient died due to a cause not related to COVID-19.
Hospitalizations and deaths that are not a direct result of COVID-19 are still considered vaccine breakthrough cases if the person was fully vaccinated and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19.[/quote]
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1636644393]Interesting article. This is only relevant to viruses that can infect macro****es, which they say they didn't know when they wrote it, however it has been shown that SARS-CoV-2 *can* infect macro****es. However
1) This effect was tested for in AZ trials and not observed then or since in vaccinated populations of millions (so far anyway..)
2) It's the same theoretical issue if you get the virus or receive the vaccination and later encounter a different strain. So if this problem arrises in time with different strains being "helped', vaccination is likely no worse than "helped" by previous natural exposure
The risks to a population from being vaccination still seems significantly lower than the risks arising from not being vaccinated. IMHO.[/QUOTE]
I’m not sure how you can say that Tom, I’m not gonna deny you are far more knowledgeable than me, but last I checked ubiquitous viruses are fought and defeated primarily by the T-Cell lymphocytes within our immune systems, Not from natural or artificially implanted antibodies, which is an absolutely essential missing factor in the epidemiological mortality calculations.
Antigenic shift (mutation) is a common normal biological function. Even though Cronavirus are considered more stable in this regard than flu/virus, nevertheless inevitably will occur within large population infection spread. This is precisely why vaccines have little to no chance of effectiveness for Corona type viruses. History has proven this true over and over. Corna vaccines are notoriously problematic ( mostly due to rapid weakening) and have never been successful.
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1636644713]Maybe you can stay locked up in your house but most still have to go outside at some point. Groceries, work, etc. Live in an appointment or condo, remember early outbreak in an apartment building at Wuhan where there were no plumbing traps and thus gas (aerosol) from people's scat was getting into other people's apartments and the outbreak occurred across floors units where the individuals had no reasonable possibility of personal or droplet contact.[/QUOTE]
Oh I see. When you said lockdown you didn't really mean anyone was in lockdown. And yeah now that makes sense that if you live in some nasty apartment where other people's chit droplets are infecting you, then maybe it would be better to go outside. I didn't consider crowded apartments and people stuck there together. I can totally see the point of that not being good.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1636645233]Oh I see. When you said lockdown you didn't really mean anyone was in lockdown. And yeah now that makes sense that if you live in some nasty apartment where other people's chit droplets are infecting you, then maybe it would be better to go outside. I didn't consider crowded apartments and people stuck there together. I can totally see the point of that not being good.[/QUOTE]
If you are out in the middle of Montana & never have to see anyone solely living off your land..sure you aren’t getting Covid..but the majority of the world is not living like that.
A buddy of mine a logger and has his own saw mill, single fellow. usually hits the town for a weekend a month to get his drink on and chase the ladies, since Covid he hasn't done this. He texted me yesterday said he couldn't take it anymore and went and got his first shot, figures he is 50% protected and wanted to know If I knew where half of the Hoes hung out or if there there were any orgies that I knew of operating at half capacity. That crazy fuker is more likely to die from the dose than Covid lol
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1636646803]A buddy of mine a logger and has his own saw mill, single fellow. usually hits the town for a weekend a month to get his drink on and chase the ladies, since Covid he hasn't done this. He texted me yesterday said he couldn't take it anymore and went and got his first shot, figures he is 50% protected and wanted to know If I knew where half of the Hoes hung out or if there there were any orgies that I knew of operating at half capacity. That crazy fuker is more likely to die from the dose than Covid lol[/QUOTE]
But the real question is..how do you know where the hoe’s & orgies are..?
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1636647243]But the real question is..how do you know where the hoe’s & orgies are..?[/QUOTE]
I don't, he was just being funny. Besides the town closest to me has 1 stop light, 1 bar and and 1 grocery store. Pretty sure all the hoe's left for greener pastures a couple of hours away.
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1636644943]... ) and have never been successful.[/QUOTE]
Define success.
I have the heretical view that we can't defeat this like smallpox was eradicated, but we can protect the vulnerable (including people we didn't realize were vulnerable) while our bodies collectively learn how to live with this virus
If "success" is eradication I think failure is a very high probability.
If "success" is reducing unnecessary deaths, then we are demonstrable succeeding right now.
All vaccines have risk. I don't dispute that. But it seems odd that you are spending so much effort researching all the obscure possible risks of vaccination and never discussing the huge obvious benefits. You need to consider both the pros and cons to weight up a judgement. You seem to only be looking at one side of the scales. Why?
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1636647923]Define success.
I have the heretical view that we can't defeat this like smallpox was eradicated, but we can protect the vulnerable (including people we didn't realize were vulnerable) while our bodies collectively learn how to live with this virus
If "success" is eradication I think failure is a very high probability.
If "success" is reducing unnecessary deaths, then we are demonstrable succeeding right now.
All vaccines have risk. I don't dispute that. But it seems odd that you are spending so much effort researching all the obscure possible risks of vaccination and never discussing the huge obvious benefits. You need to consider both the pros and cons to weight up a judgement. You seem to only be looking at one side of the scales. Why?[/QUOTE]
To show statistical significance for a virus of this type, a vaccine must show efficacy, (save lives, Period.) However, when the overall death rate is between 0.2 and 0.5 %, there will be little to no benefit. In other words, SARS-COV-2 virus is far too weak right now to show a vaccine effectiveness rate numerically. Ive said it before , what is going on right now, is known in epidemiology as pathogen endemic equilibrium phase, (viral stasis) and is perfectly normal. Virulence weakening and dilution is what always happens when mutations and naturally acquired herd immunity is occurring throughout the populations. Invariably mutation causes infection rate increase ( seasonality still being the biggest factor) and lethality rate decrease, henceforth it becomes ubiquitous and permanent. Vaccination at this stage is essentially pointless.
I’m only looking at one side, because Covid is not nearly as bad as we have been told. When you have heads of states & celebrity’s trying to coaxing you into take an experimental vaccine, sorry, I get suspicious.
Do you know why there are no commercials for this vaccine but there are for every other single drug?
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1636648393]To show statistical significance for a virus of this type, a vaccine must show efficacy, (save lives, Period.) However, when the overall death rate is between 0.2 and 0.5 %, there will be little to no benefit. In other words, SARS-COV-2 virus is far too weak right now to show a vaccine effectiveness rate numerically. Ive said it before , what is going on right now, is known in epidemiology as pathogen endemic equilibrium phase, (viral stasis) and is perfectly normal. Virulence weakening and dilution is what always happens when mutations and naturally acquired herd immunity is occurring throughout the populations. Invariably mutation causes infection rate increase ( seasonality still being the biggest factor) and lethality rate decrease, henceforth it becomes ubiquitous and permanent. Vaccination at this stage is essentially pointless.
I’m only looking at one side, because Covid is not nearly as bad as we have been told. When you have heads of states & celebrity’s trying to coaxing you into take an experimental vaccine, sorry, I get suspicious.
Do you know why there are no commercials for this vaccine but there are for every other single drug?[/QUOTE]
Because the states and federal government are taking care of it FOR FREE.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1636649693]Because the states and federal government are taking care of it FOR FREE.[/QUOTE]
Oh they are taking care of it alright. It’s amazing, 2 yrs ago you would have said don’t trust Big Pharma & Daddy Govt, but now we are just to fall in line. No thanks. I’ll pass
ok Daily Beast....[url]www.thedailybeast.com/the-covid-conspiracy-freakout-pitting-anti-vaxxers-against-so-called-vaccinated-mutants?ref=home[/url]
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1636650513]ok Daily Beast....[url]www.thedailybeast.com/the-covid-conspiracy-freakout-pitting-anti-vaxxers-against-so-called-vaccinated-mutants?ref=home[/url][/QUOTE]
Seriously..the Daily Fukin Beast? FFS bro.
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1636647923]Define success.
I have the heretical view that we can't defeat this like smallpox was eradicated, but we can protect the vulnerable (including people we didn't realize were vulnerable) while our bodies collectively learn how to live with this virus
If "success" is eradication I think failure is a very high probability.
If "success" is reducing unnecessary deaths, then we are demonstrable succeeding right now.
All vaccines have risk. I don't dispute that. But it seems odd that you are spending so much effort researching all the obscure possible risks of vaccination and never discussing the huge obvious benefits. You need to consider both the pros and cons to weight up a judgement. You seem to only be looking at one side of the scales. Why?[/QUOTE]
So wish I could rep this. Paul talks smart and all... yet lacks fundamental judgement. Compared to many of the less-witted anti-everything posters... it's disappointing that he can't see past his own bias.
[QUOTE=PhDPepper1111;1636651233]So wish I could rep this. Paul talks smart and all... yet lacks fundamental judgement. Compared to many of the less-witted anti-everything posters... it's disappointing that he can't see past his own bias.[/QUOTE]
Chit, you got me, just trying to talk smart here. FFS people when funding and pay structure is stacked against academia science in favor of paradigm consensus, it creates an unfair, inaccurate and corrupt narrative...sad that more can’t see this
[img]https://i.imgur.com/tgOODfR.png[/img]
Rock musician Ted Nugent announced he has tested positive for the coronavirus in a ******** live video in which he repeatedly used racist slurs to refer to COVID-19, spit on the floor and promoted anti-vaccine conspiracy theories.
“Everybody told me that I should not announce this,” the conservative rocker said in the video on Monday.
Nugent, a staunch supporter of ex-President Donald Trump, previously called the pandemic a scam and has railed against public health restrictions.
“I have had flu symptoms for the last 10 days. I thought I was dying. I mean, just a cluster****,” Nugent said in the video. “I got the Chinese ****.”
Nugent said he had a “stuffed-up head” and “body aches.”
“My God, what a pain in the ass. I literally can hardly crawl out of bed the last few days. But I did, I crawled,” he said.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1636653673]Rock musician Ted Nugent announced he has tested positive for the coronavirus in a ******** live video in which he repeatedly used racist slurs to refer to COVID-19, spit on the floor and promoted anti-vaccine conspiracy theories.
“Everybody told me that I should not announce this,” the conservative rocker said in the video on Monday.
Nugent, a staunch supporter of ex-President Donald Trump, previously called the pandemic a scam and has railed against public health restrictions.
“I have had flu symptoms for the last 10 days. I thought I was dying. I mean, just a cluster****,” Nugent said in the video. “I got the Chinese ****.”
Nugent said he had a “stuffed-up head” and “body aches.”
“My God, what a pain in the ass. I literally can hardly crawl out of bed the last few days. But I did, I crawled,” he said.[/QUOTE]
Ted used to claim that he shyt his pants for 2 weeks in order to avoid the draft.
He also was responsible for this horrifying POS
[youtube]l_uh8XjgLTE[/youtube]
Wow, that video is almost a parody of itself
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1636650723]Seriously..the Daily Fukin Beast? FFS bro.[/QUOTE]
Not the source itself(nice try) but the types of Covid19 deniers contained within the article, mirror check for you.
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1636662203]Wow, that video is almost a parody of itself[/QUOTE]
I'm embarrassed for my generation.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1636666623]Not the source itself(nice try) but the types of Covid19 deniers contained within the article, mirror check for you.[/QUOTE]
I never claimed Covid does not exist..it’s just fabricated in a way that has never been seen before & all the mandates have proven to be completely useless
5 days post Pfizer shot #2. So far so good.