Can anyone figure out why this guy wearing his mask was kicked off the plane?
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Can anyone figure out why this guy wearing his mask was kicked off the plane?
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[QUOTE=_zman;1652719223]Can anyone figure out why this guy wearing his mask was kicked off the plane?
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I would think it probably smelled like fish...
people near him probably had fish allergies and complained, that would be my guess
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1652711433]So i just spoke to my uncle and cousin and Philly and they know folks from church who are getting it 2 times in that area.
So yes it happens.[/QUOTE]
Here's the Doc's arguments:
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[QUOTE=litljay;1652722933]Here's the Doc's arguments:
[YouTube]yILZyRSA4D0[/YouTube][/QUOTE]
[b]out of date[/b], no longer true
This was fairly accurate 2 months ago. COVID surveillance in England based on people testing positive (PCR) and then >=90 days later testing positive again was 0.4% of cases. It [b]was[/b] accurate to say it is exceptionally unlikely to catch original and/or delta twice, not impossible, but close.
Now, in England anyway... it's very different. The dominant strain, from today's figures show Omicron is already dominant (estimated 54% of cases) outcompeting Delta, it's taken about 6 weeks from first detection to get there. And people who had original or delta are catching it again. So far Omicron appears slightly milder, so maybe this isn't Armageddon, but catching it twice is definitely now a genuine possibility
Please update your info
EDIT: no percentage on reinfection... yet...
Thanks guys, but I'm not going to have a definite answer on this one, and you sort of summed it up by considering the added risk of Omicron. Omicron appears to milder than the wild type vaccine or delta, but it's also significantly different antigenically. If you remember a while back we talked about how having a high circulating antibody titer gives you some protection even if the antibodies aren't a great fit to the new strain. That's what a booster will get you, and it's probably a pretty good risk benefit ratio given the predictions on how fast Omicron seems to be spreading and with Delta still very prevalent.
I don't like chasing each strain with the wild type vaccine, but I haven't seen anything to indicate we'll have a more specific vaccine within the next few months so wild type spike is what we've got. Add in the holiday season timing, which means they'll both get a nice bump, and yeah, it gets easier to justify a booster.
Since the pfizer and moderna shots have been safe for adults, I don't have any reason to say don't get one. If you do get it, you'll likely have a milder case of Omicron or Delta if you're exposed. You might even be asymptomatic. Also, an exposure that results in an infection, even an asymptomatic one, will give you an even stronger immunity to that strain, or both strains if you're really unlucky.
It's annoying that Omicron tossed a monkey wrench into the risk benefit equation, but even if it appears to cause a milder illness, it does change the math to favor a booster more than before. And MGFTP, you know I won't argue with your wife!
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1652724063][b]out of date[/b], no longer true
This was fairly accurate 2 months ago. COVID surveillance in England based on people testing positive (PCR) and then >=90 days later testing positive again was 0.4% of cases. It [b]was[/b] accurate to say it is exceptionally unlikely to catch original and/or delta twice, not impossible, but close.
Now, in England anyway... it's very different. The dominant strain, from today's figures show Omicron is already dominant (estimated 54% of cases) outcompeting Delta, it's taken about 6 weeks from first detection to get there. And people who had original or delta are catching it again. So far Omicron appears slightly milder, so maybe this isn't Armageddon, but catching it twice is definitely now a genuine possibility
Please update your info
EDIT: no percentage on reinfection... yet...[/QUOTE]
If reinfection was that common, that would also make the vaccine far less effective than it currently is. Yet, Pfizer says to get a booster of the same shot that isn’t currently effective.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652731323]Thanks guys, but I'm not going to have a definite answer on this one, and you sort of summed it up by considering the added risk of Omicron. Omicron appears to milder than the wild type vaccine or delta, but it's also significantly different antigenically. If you remember a while back we talked about how having a high circulating antibody titer gives you some protection even if the antibodies aren't a great fit to the new strain. That's what a booster will get you, and it's probably a pretty good risk benefit ratio given the predictions on how fast Omicron seems to be spreading and with Delta still very prevalent.
I don't like chasing each strain with the wild type vaccine, but I haven't seen anything to indicate we'll have a more specific vaccine within the next few months so wild type spike is what we've got. Add in the holiday season timing, which means they'll both get a nice bump, and yeah, it gets easier to justify a booster.
Since the pfizer and moderna shots have been safe for adults, I don't have any reason to say don't get one. If you do get it, you'll likely have a milder case of Omicron or Delta if you're exposed. You might even be asymptomatic. Also, an exposure that results in an infection, even an asymptomatic one, will give you an even stronger immunity to that strain, or both strains if you're really unlucky.
It's annoying that Omicron tossed a monkey wrench into the risk benefit equation, but even if it appears to cause a milder illness, it does change the math to favor a booster more than before. And MGFTP, you know I won't argue with your wife![/QUOTE]
You should try it. It can be entertaining.
So, thanks for all that but curious then. I think last exchange on booster you had yet to get one. Had that changed and if not do you plan on getting one in the near future?
[QUOTE=mgftp;1652732863]You should try it. It can be entertaining.
So, thanks for all that but curious then. I think last exchange on booster you had yet to get one. Had that changed and if not do you plan on getting one in the near future?[/QUOTE]
I haven't gotten one yet and I'm still not in a rush. Right now I'm between 7 and 8 months post vaccine, so I may still have some circulating antibody. Not much though. At 9 or 10 months, if the number of cases keeps getting worse, and I suspect they will, I'll get a booster. I do think about getting one, and I know I'm at a slightly higher risk due to the holidays, family get togethers, etc, but if I wait a bit longer, I'll have fairly high Ab levels during the summer when I'll be traveling and taking vacation.
The Netherlands has announced a Christmas lockdown amid concerns over the Omicron coronavirus variant.
Non-essential shops, schools, bars, restaurants and other public venues will be closed until at least mid-January. Prime Minister Mark Rutte said the restrictions were "unavoidable".
It marks the strictest rules to have been announced over Omicron so far.
Countries across Europe have been tightening restrictions as the heavily mutated variant spreads.
The new rules in the Netherlands, which come into force on Sunday, were announced following a meeting between the government and health experts.
[url]https://babylonbee.com/news/white-house-sends-out-biden-family-christmas-card-with-heartfelt-message-you-will-get-sick-and-die-this-winter[/url]
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652734843]I haven't gotten one yet and I'm still not in a rush. Right now I'm between 7 and 8 months post vaccine, so I may still have some circulating antibody. Not much though. At 9 or 10 months, if the number of cases keeps getting worse, and I suspect they will, I'll get a booster. I do think about getting one, and I know I'm at a slightly higher risk due to the holidays, family get togethers, etc, but if I wait a bit longer, I'll have fairly high Ab levels during the summer when I'll be traveling and taking vacation.[/QUOTE]
Summer abdominal levels for vacation? You are living my life.
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Talked to a friend last night for the first time in about 8 months, told me he got covid about 6 months ago and it was bad. Well a few weeks ago he got it again and it just about did him in. He's a younger guy around 40 in great shape, lifts, runs, lean no health issues and one tough SOB, so when he said it was bad I believe him. He wasn't vaccinated, was dead against it, his family were all vaxxed, they tested positive as well but barely knew they had it. Guess who said he is getting vaxxed asap lol...
So yeah, you can get it twice, anyone who thinks otherwise is full of sh!t.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1652810113]Talked to a friend last night for the first time in about 8 months, told me he got covid about 6 months ago and it was bad. Well a few weeks ago he got it again and it just about did him in. He's a younger guy around 40 in great shape, lifts, runs, lean no health issues and one tough SOB, so when he said it was bad I believe him. He wasn't vaccinated, was dead against it, his family were all vaxxed, they tested positive as well but barely knew they had it. Guess who said he is getting vaxxed asap lol...
So yeah, you can get it twice, anyone who thinks otherwise is full of sh!t.[/QUOTE]
I believe it BUT!!!
I rather see Valhalla than get a booster every 6 months to live on this planet Srs
Edit: mtpockets we meet again.
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Interesting read on Pfizer vaccine...
[url]https://trialsitenews.com/fdas-forced-hand-drops-pfizers-bombshell-safety-document/[/url]
[QUOTE=BK909;1652820713]Interesting read on Pfizer vaccine...
[url]https://trialsitenews.com/fdas-forced-hand-drops-pfizers-bombshell-safety-document/[/url][/QUOTE]
Vaxcels gonna be on suicide watch.
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1652810113]Talked to a friend last night for the first time in about 8 months, told me he got covid about 6 months ago and it was bad. Well a few weeks ago he got it again and it just about did him in. He's a younger guy around 40 in great shape, lifts, runs, lean no health issues and one tough SOB, so when he said it was bad I believe him. He wasn't vaccinated, was dead against it, his family were all vaxxed, they tested positive as well but barely knew they had it. Guess who said he is getting vaxxed asap lol...
So yeah, you can get it twice, anyone who thinks otherwise is full of sh!t.[/QUOTE]
That’s very odd. How were his cases confirmed? You should look into some research, confirmed reinfection happens, but is exceedingly rare. Our cases occur about equally among vaccinated and unvaccinated. We have had bolstered up vaccinated people hospitalized and vented. From the start this virus primarily affected elderly and immunocompromised people, with some “normal healthy people” also having severe outcomes. Pretty much the same now with vaccines in the cases I’m aware of in RL.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1652825903]That’s very odd. How were his cases confirmed? You should look into some research, confirmed reinfection happens, but is exceedingly rare. Our cases occur about equally among vaccinated and unvaccinated. We have had bolstered up vaccinated people hospitalized and vented. From the start this virus primarily affected elderly and immunocompromised people, with some “normal healthy people” also having severe outcomes. Pretty much the same now with vaccines in the cases I’m aware of in RL.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, The doctors said it was covid, I know he complained about the stick up the nose a few times, the first time he got it was from his brother, they were on a road trip, brother got sick, got tested and ended up in ICU on a ventilator, he tested positive and was just very sick isolating at home. Fast forward to a few weeks ago he was sick thought it was a bad flu, they ordered pizza, he said the pizza was bland no taste. His wife said this pizza is great, so she got one of those scented candles and he couldn't smell it, he thought it was just from the flu, he tested positive and the doc wanted everyone tested and they all came up positive, a day later they had to call the ambulance for him, he ended up in the hospital for almost a week and is through it now tested negative but said it was pure hell. Rare or not the unlucky fuker got it twice.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1652827103]I dunno, The doctors said it was covid, I know he complained about the stick up the nose a few times, the first time he got it was from his brother, they were on a road trip, brother got sick, got tested and ended up in ICU on a ventilator, he tested positive and was just very sick isolating at home. Fast forward to a few weeks ago he was sick thought it was a bad flu, they ordered pizza, he said the pizza was bland no taste. His wife said this pizza is great, so she got one of those scented candles and he couldn't smell it, he thought it was just from the flu, he tested positive and the doc wanted everyone tested and they all came up positive, a day later they had to call the ambulance for him, he ended up in the hospital for almost a week and is through it now tested negative but said it was pure hell. Rare or not the unlucky fuker got it twice.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it does happen, just not very often. Some people continue to test positive for a long time too, had one that tested positive for several weeks after the 10 day quarantine time. Outliers happen, also what keeps even a highly fatal disease from wiping everyone out, there are always outliers. Rabies is almost 100% fatal in humans but some girl in Wisconsin survived it.
Not sure the vaccine is going to help your buddy. It needs to use your own immune system and his evidently doesn’t work for covid very well.
Ok I have a question - I'm in NY and apparently Omicron is running the show here. Then I hear in Africa Omicron is winding down. So with so many already infected (large sample size to draw conclusions from) with this new variant and, from what I can find because it always seems to be hidden, far less severe why are we acting as if this thing is the OG version with more restrictions etc? Isn't this exactly the scenario we want? What am I missing here?
I understand the doubling rate is rather high and we have the same concerns about overwhelming our health care system but is it? Hell, Time Square is still happening on NYE, stadiums continue to be packed every week - what exactly are these restrictions for?
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1652858243]Ok I have a question - I'm in NY and apparently Omicron is running the show here. Then I hear in Africa Omicron is winding down. So with so many already infected (large sample size to draw conclusions from) with this new variant and, from what I can find because it always seems to be hidden, far less severe why are we acting as if this thing is the OG version with more restrictions etc? Isn't this exactly the scenario we want? What am I missing here?
I understand the doubling rate is rather high and we have the same concerns about overwhelming our health care system but is it? Hell, Time Square is still happening on NYE, stadiums continue to be packed every week - what exactly are these restrictions for?[/QUOTE]
Last week i read that the cdc says 97% Delta and 3% Omicron but of course the numbers change hourly.
Here in the DC area we went from 700 to 1800 cases in a short period of time and the surrounding areas tripled.
I heard the Gov of MD( fox news sunday) say that hospitals are crowded again from Covid so the issue must be related to available beds.
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the last line of that is hilariously ironic.
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[QUOTE=fishnbrah;1652862183]the last line of that is hilariously ironic.[/QUOTE]
It is the same as those that fear walking in "certain" neighborhoods, very ironic.
Caution yes, fear nah!
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1652858243]Ok I have a question - I'm in NY and apparently Omicron is running the show here. Then I hear in Africa Omicron is winding down. So with so many already infected (large sample size to draw conclusions from) with this new variant and, from what I can find because it always seems to be hidden, far less severe why are we acting as if this thing is the OG version with more restrictions etc? Isn't this exactly the scenario we want? What am I missing here?
I understand the doubling rate is rather high and we have the same concerns about overwhelming our health care system but is it? Hell, Time Square is still happening on NYE, stadiums continue to be packed every week - what exactly are these restrictions for?[/QUOTE]
In general the population in Africa is younger and have fewer comorbidities. If vitamin D is truly an important player, that could contribute to some differences in outcomes as well. I think the jury is still out on the severity of Omicron, but I also expect the media and our political system is going to stoke the fear reflexively and regardless of the facts.
[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10329757/Dallas-crowd-HECKLES-Trump-Bill-OReilly-confirm-got-booster-shots.html[/url]
Dallas crowd HECKLES Trump when he reveals he's had a COVID booster:
Tells audience" 'you're playing right into their hands' when you doubt the vaccine."
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[QUOTE=mgftp;1652765923]Summer abdominal levels for vacation? You are living my life.[/QUOTE]
Dude, I could retire, diet, and do ab workouts 3 times a day and I still wouldn't look like you. I did love my wedge salad/French onion soup/burger/bread pudding at the steak house yesterday. (Ski weekend)
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1652827463]Yeah it does happen, just not very often. Some people continue to test positive for a long time too, had one that tested positive for several weeks after the 10 day quarantine time. Outliers happen, also what keeps even a highly fatal disease from wiping everyone out, there are always outliers. Rabies is almost 100% fatal in humans but some girl in Wisconsin survived it.
Not sure the vaccine is going to help your buddy. It needs to use your own immune system and his evidently doesn’t work for covid very well.[/QUOTE]
Seems like that last line could very well be true. He could also have had wild type and then Omicron. I don't know if there's a way to find out what strain you've had. I have access to redacted data on studies, and a PI could possibly find out the strain a subject had if it was evaluated on a trial, but in the real world, I don't know if the locally available labs are testing for the strains and then informing the providers. Seems like there would be very little reason to sequence the viral genome in most cases since it wouldn't affect treatment.
I'll have to ask some friends.