Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1669610853]Yeah friends are telling me about "long covid" symptoms and they suck.

i really wish that they would stop fkng around with this stuff.
[/QUOTE]

My healthy 21 year old son is vaxed and boosted, caught it, was deathly ill for 2-3 days then a lingering cough for weeks.

I was sick for months from the shot, I'm done with Covid shots and boosters. Having a flu shot Friday though, that never gave me anything but a sore shoulder.

[QUOTE=ljimd;1669622433]2nd booster scheduled for Fri aftn. Wish me luck fellas.[/QUOTE]

Good luck Brah. When you coming to visit again? I got a beautiful new old Ibanez and a pretty swag electric setup for both electric and acoustic.

[QUOTE=LWW;1669482273]I said cardio using weights, you guys just can’t seem to grasp that one.

Look here, the reason why the old time bodybuilders were in better health was because high rep work like high rep squats were a common staple. These days they only do 20 reppers for a few weeks out the year. Steve Reeves did breathing squats all year around.

That’s also why the 1950s bbers had the best build rib cages.

We see evidence right now of cardio people dying from the Rona but not strength people the exception is steroids users. At my gym the strength people recovered fastest from Rona.

Keep reading your data, I’ll go by the real world, daddy.......[/QUOTE]


Covid cultists will do and say anything to cover up their own lies and beliefs.

It’s kinda like the followers of Charles Manson.

“Oh he didn’t really kill those people. Blah blah blah.”

I TOLD YOU SO.

THE MOST PAINFUL WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE NEXT TO YOU CAN TRUST GUBMINT.

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omg that is funny

Damn pocketa, I didn't know you lived in Canada.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1669779053]Damn pocketa, I didn't know you lived in Canada.[/QUOTE]


LMAO our unvaxxed product knows no borders, delivering to all of North America one load at a time.




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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1669605593]My one penis got me in so much fun and trouble over the years I can't even begin to imagine having 2
.[/QUOTE]


So what did you do Pancakes? My guess you got caught rubbing it in a school zone or you didn’t tell your “John” you had one and you got your head rattled.........

CAMBRIDGE, MA / ACCESSWIRE / October 19, 2022 / Moderna, Inc., (NASDAQ:MRNA) a biotechnology company pioneering messenger RNA (mRNA) therapeutics and vaccines, today announced new clinical data on its bivalent Omicron-containing booster, mRNA-1273.214. Ninety days after administration as a fourth booster dose in previously vaccinated and boosted participants, a 50 µg booster dose of mRNA-1273.214 elicited a superior neutralizing antibody response against Omicron BA.1 when compared to a 50 µg booster dose of mRNA-1273 in all participants regardless of prior infection. Superior performance against Omicron BA.1 was also durable, with higher antibody titers sustained through three months.

In addition, mRNA-1273.214 demonstrated significantly higher neutralizing antibody responses against Omicron BA.4/BA.5 compared to mRNA-1273 28 days after administration, as previously reported. Potent responses were also seen against Omicron BA.2.75 28 days after administration, suggesting that the bivalent booster elicits broad cross-neutralization against Omicron variants.



[url]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/90-day-analysis-shows-moderna-120000751.html[/url]

Wha?? OK it's encouraging to see positive data but... a 4th booster?? Does that mean a 5th shot or a 6th shot? either way that's insane, were talking less than 2 years and they're discussing so many shots. I understand it's a Corona virus and evades immune response so will be more difficult than some other vaccinations but let's pause for a moment -- 5 shots in 18 months, this just can't be right. I'm generally pro Vax, but still questioning this

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1669851813]Wha?? OK it's encouraging to see positive data but... a 4th booster?? Does that mean a 5th shot or a 6th shot? either way that's insane, were talking less than 2 years and they're discussing so many shots. I understand it's a Corona virus and evades immune response so will be more difficult than some other vaccinations but let's pause for a moment -- 5 shots in 18 months, this just can't be right. I'm generally pro Vax, but still questioning this[/QUOTE]


I suspect less will be taken once this happens in the US....


Pfizer plans to sell the Covid vaccine it developed with BioNTech at $110 to $130 per dose for teens and adults once the U.S. government stops paying for them, the drugmaker said.

[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/pfizer-plans-sell-covid-vaccines-110-130-dose-rcna53382?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma[/url]

[url]https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/higher-risk-myocarditis-death-covid-vaccines-et/?itm_term=home[/url]

Lots of otherwise healthy people, mostly young, just keeling over and dying. Lots of partial facial paralysis happening. All in vaxxed people. Of course there are unkown side effects that occur from a shot that really didn't go through all the necessary trials. That's why the government attached a no liability waiver to the use of these shots.

This stuff will continue to leak out, despite suppression. It's a worldwide issue. Japan and Italy have docs issuing statements about the dangers associated with these shots. Trump got behind these shots in the midst of a crisis that negatively impacted what was a strong economy and amazingly low unemployment. He was wrong to do so, but he was desperate. The problem I've always had is the mandates and pressure put on us to get the jabs. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

I tried to read the Japanese study but the way that they display or present the numbers is totally confusing to this reader.

[url]www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.13.22281036v1.full.pdf[/url]

They say the numbers are high but one says 6.69 and i cant tell out of how many subjects?
Is it 6/1400, 6/100,000 or 6/millions?
totally confused

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1670067183]I tried to read the Japanese study but the way that they display or present the numbers is totally confusing to this reader.

[url]www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.13.22281036v1.full.pdf[/url]

They say the numbers are high but one says 6.69 and i cant tell out of how many subjects?
Is it 6/1400, 6/100,000 or 6/millions?
totally confused[/QUOTE]


From what I read a little while back the risk of Myocarditis was substantially higher from Covid itself compared to getting it from the vaccine, perhaps the gap is narrowing.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1670067633]From what I read a little while back the risk of Myocarditis was substantially higher from Covid itself compared to getting it from the vaccine, perhaps the gap is narrowing.[/QUOTE]

That is what Just The Dad said here, plus we do do not know what vaxx product Japan used for their people(which brand) so it makes it really tough to compare apples to apples.
They compared the myo deaths pre covid, to deaths from myo during covid.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1670067633]From what I read a little while back the risk of Myocarditis was substantially higher from Covid itself compared to getting it from the vaccine, perhaps the gap is narrowing.[/QUOTE]Chicke or the egg. My main point is that risks are/were unknown and the pressure and/or straight up mandates to get shot are/were wrong. Sterilization is also coming out in greater numbers. Caused by COVID or the shot?

[QUOTE=Bando;1669644273]
Good luck Brah. When you coming to visit again? I got a beautiful new old Ibanez and a pretty swag electric setup for both electric and acoustic.[/QUOTE]

6 days into covid booster #2. Nothing so far.

Was by your place in June but sick relatives and Brazilian friends ate up my
time. Maybe around the holidays. Dunno?

[QUOTE=KeepItMoving;1670164963]Chicke or the egg. My main point is that risks are/were unknown and the pressure and/or straight up mandates to get shot are/were wrong. Sterilization is also coming out in greater numbers. Caused by COVID or the shot?[/QUOTE]

Risks were and are quite well known. More so than for any other vaccine except perhaps flu if you consolidate the data.

The sterility some people are stuck with post COVID is hopefully transient. In the studies I saw on sperm counts it did seem to be recovering after several months. None tracked it back to pre-COVID levels so it may not recover fully. I didn't find any data showing it was being found from the vaccine alone, and that fits since it's only one antigen and in lower concentrations. Post COVID ED is also being found which fits with the vascular complications. Again, I didn't see anything associated with the vaccine. Doesn't mean it couldn't have happened, just means it's not as easy to find because the incidence is lower or there are too many confounders.

There haven't been any new or surprising findings regarding the vaccines. You get a little bit of one antigen, an attenuated spike protein, instead of a lot of all 29 or so proteins that are in the virus. The mRNA vaccines are amazingly safe compared to previous vaccine types. It's almost impossible for them to have side effects the virus doesn't cause at a higher frequency/severity. Again, doesn't mean they don't have any, and I can't comment on repeat exposures. Since we ran some of the vaccine and med trials for COVID, I obviously have a lot of friends who are firm believes, and a few have had 5 shots and still plan to get the bivalent "booster". I consider that excessive (aka, they're kinda nuts!)

Nobody here liked how the vaccine became a political issue and obviously anything caused by the spike protein could potentially be associated with the vaccine. Granted the vaccine seems to cause issues to a lesser degree than having an actual infection with the virus, but if there's cross antigenicity, how could it not happen.

That "to a lesser degree" aspect of the vaccine also could potentially change with continued booster shots. Again, something I haven't seen data supporting, but it's possible a booster shot could result in a higher antigen load than a sub-clinical infection you fought off because you were already immunized. There are a lot of variables, and I don't think anyone is studying that, but they are monitoring a lot of vaccinated subjects. Maybe some evidence will show up and crash Pfizer and Moderna's stocks. Guess we'll see.

Ultimately there's no way to avoid being exposed to that antigen several times over the course of your life, other than possibly living in a bubble, so minimizing your risks with the vaccine made sense. Continuing to expose yourself to the antigen by vaccine? I don't know. I'm about to travel to Europe, so I may get a booster. Haven't decided. I will get a flu shot.

[QUOTE=ljimd;1670168073]6 days into covid booster #2. Nothing so far.

Was by your place in June but sick relatives and Brazilian friends ate up my
time. Maybe around the holidays. Dunno?[/QUOTE]

Should be around except for Christmas week.

They stopped reporting and collecting data here but the lines at the pharmacy are long and the cold medicine section looks like a grocery store after a call for a foot of snow.
I asked the pharmacist what is going on and she said we are in a state of emergency here. We have rsv for kids, the flu, and Covid-19 all at once.
The gf has covid and has had a strong reaction to it so i was getting paxlovid for her.

this chart surprised me.

[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11431521/CDC-says-tracking-new-mild-ultra-vaccine-resisitant-BN-1-Covid-variant.html[/url]

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1671206103]They stopped reporting and collecting data here but the lines at the pharmacy are long and the cold medicine section looks like a grocery store after a call for a foot of snow.
I asked the pharmacist what is going on and she said we are in a state of emergency here. We have rsv for kids, the flu, and Covid-19 all at once.
The gf has covid and has had a strong reaction to it so i was getting paxlovid for her.

this chart surprised me.

[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11431521/CDC-says-tracking-new-mild-ultra-vaccine-resisitant-BN-1-Covid-variant.html[/url][/QUOTE]

I may have gotten it a 2nd time last week. Just a few days worth of slight headaches and minor congestion. I never get headaches, so I'll just assume it's covid. Never get headaches with colds. Hit the Chaga hard upon first symptoms and kicked all symptoms in 3-4 days.

I'm planning to take the cat in for its annual vaccinations Saturday in 2 weeks. A range of "experimental" vaccines that have only been used on millions of animals for years so the outcome is in completely unknown territory.

Poor thing will probably be dead on 20 years or less, every single cat that's been vaccinated has died or will go on to die at some point. Sorry anti vax'ers.

Also I gave it worm treatment recently. Sorry anti-dewormers.

Looking back at this it shows how I'm totally drinking the cool aid of big vet, should I feel ashamed?

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1671259263]
Looking back at this it shows how I'm totally drinking the cool aid of big vet, should I feel ashamed?[/QUOTE]

You mean for owning a cat?


;)

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1671259263]I'm planning to take the cat in for its annual vaccinations Saturday in 2 weeks. A range of "experimental" vaccines that have only been used on millions of animals for years so the outcome is in completely unknown territory.

Poor thing will probably be dead on 20 years or less, every single cat that's been vaccinated has died or will go on to die at some point. Sorry anti vax'ers.

Also I gave it worm treatment recently. Sorry anti-dewormers.

Looking back at this it shows how I'm totally drinking the cool aid of big vet, should I feel ashamed?[/QUOTE]

whaaa it was rushed, whaaa no 10 years of research, oh yeah they did call it "operation warp speed" and every lab in the world was working on it sharing info.

Two years and this thread is still alive.

Good lawd.

The criminals in suit lied.

High cases of Sudden Adult Death Syndrome.

Myocarditis.

Accelerated cancer.

Miscarriages.

Not to mention the damage caused by the plandemic global shutdown.

And people still support the jab.

Unreal.

Hello. The criminals want amnesty. What does that tell you.

[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1671281213]Two years and this thread is still alive.

Good lawd.

The criminals in suit lied.

High cases of Sudden Adult Death Syndrome.

Myocarditis.

Accelerated cancer.

Miscarriages.

Not to mention the damage caused by the plandemic global shutdown.

And people still support the jab.

Unreal.

Hello. The criminals want amnesty. What does that tell you.[/QUOTE]

Sad is what it is. Sucked being part of the fringe minority at the time, but my gut often isn't wrong.

Luckily I worked in healthcare at the time to witness all the shenanigans go down. Man was it fascinating to watch the authoritarians work along side their lawyers to squash us plebs. The endless contradictions and data manipulation etc, killing people in nursing homes with their unproven strategies, divided the country/families/friends, parents couldn't see their kids born, parents/spouse died alone. Many documentaries will be made regarding this (if it's allowed), from a personal health perspective, personal rights, workers' rights, kids being behind in their education, all the local/generational restaurants and businesses closing after being open for 120+ years, social media regulations, media lies etc.

Anyone that was part of this should be extremely ashamed. I'd prefer more than that to happen, but I'm not an authoritarian.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/9AQxQcL.png[/img]

Looks like OldFartToms face got messed upped by the Covid vaccine

No. My teeth are like that because I'm British and drawing attention to them like that makes you a racist

[QUOTE=_zman;1671281633]Sad is what it is. Sucked being part of the fringe minority at the time, but my gut often isn't wrong.

Luckily I worked in healthcare at the time to witness all the shenanigans go down. Man was it fascinating to watch the authoritarians work along side their lawyers to squash us plebs. The endless contradictions and data manipulation etc, killing people in nursing homes with their unproven strategies, divided the country/families/friends, parents couldn't see their kids born, parents/spouse died alone. Many documentaries will be made regarding this (if it's allowed), from a personal health perspective, personal rights, workers' rights, kids being behind in their education, all the local/generational restaurants and businesses closing after being open for 120+ years, social media regulations, media lies etc.

Anyone that was part of this should be extremely ashamed. I'd prefer more than that to happen, but I'm not an authoritarian.[/QUOTE]

If i wasn't personally witness to 2 severe, extreme cases, then i would happily believe all of that above.
But, being personally involved and helping really sick family and gf( doing 2 tests for her myself) tends to skew what i read online.
It is what it is.

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1671296543]If i wasn't personally witness to 2 severe, extreme cases, then i would happily believe all of that above.
But, being personally involved and helping really sick family and gf( doing 2 tests for her myself) tends to skew what i read online.
It is what it is.[/QUOTE]

Sorry to hear about your GF ben, I hope that she is on the mend. With the help you have provided it's great that you escaped the virus so far. You must be doing something right.