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[QUOTE=Arnoldswim;1653716183]The gain of function research seems like a semantic argument and the lab leak hypothesis did not seem likely at all he was saying it did not happen. Saagar points out he had an email in his inbox question the lab leak at the time he was saying it was definitely no but from my understanding most of the information was saying it seemed really unlikely at the time. Maybe he shouldn've said it seemed unlikely instead of a definite no?[/QUOTE]
To my knowledge he still steadfastly holds the position that a lab leak is most improbable, and pushes the now largely laughable zoonotic hypothesis.
As to GoF, there is no doubt at all that he knew exactly what was being asked and why, and he was groping for a way out. I'm not saying that it is impossible to find a finely grained definition that means something else, but come on, this is an "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" moment. He funded research that could very well result in a covid-like outbreak from a lab leak. I am not saying that his funded project DID do that, just that he is utterly unwilling to permit such a narrative to exist, and is clinging to evasive wordsmithing as a way out.
And just to throw a bone to him, I do not endorse the Monday morning quarterbacking on GoF research and gotcha politics being played here. Even as someone with libertarian sympathies who wants to like the Pauls, Rand is being a theatrical ass and does not convince me of his goodwill in his line of questioning. We should want to know the true origin story as way to prevent another problem, not to point fingers and take out our collective rage on someone like Fauci. GoF research is something that has divided scientists and administrations. I can see both sides. If you asked me 5 years ago I could certainly have been persuaded of its merits. So in a sense, I can see why Fauci wants to stay far and clear of admitting any involvement in research that theoretically could result in something like COVID when there is no data to suggest that his particular project actually did. Nevertheless, he signed up for this job and needs to swallow that indirect link and have an honest discussion about it.
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[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1653716433]New WR, we won the Gold in the covid games....1,082,549 cases.
[url]www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10368021/US-hits-record-1-082-549-COVID-cases-single-day.html[/url][/QUOTE]
[youtube]kgUoGSqusCE[/youtube]
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[QUOTE=ectoBgone;1653714813]He lied about funding gain of function research, and relatedly, has been recalcitrant about the likelihood of covid being a lab leak. And it's not always what you say, it's what you don't say. He should not need to be asked certain things in order to come out and clarify certain narratives that need clarification, and to me it seems he has held back from doing that if the narrative drives the end results he wants.[/QUOTE]
You mean the Eco Health Alliance funding and whether or not the SARS research was GOF research? Semantics is tricky. It's also unclear to me whether or not the EHA informed the CDC of what the actual experiments were before they funded them.
I find it interesting that we wouldn't have known to try Remdesivir and other medications if not for that type of research and I don't think, despite the plethora of sci fi movies, that it's likely the original strain in Wuhan was from a lab leak. It's possible, just unlikely. Labs do a few controlled experiments with directed genetic changes or transfers. Mother nature does trillions of experiments on a daily basis. We've had a dozen known strains occur in 2 years and there are likely hundreds more that we'll never know about. Maybe thousands. The fact that some of the research the Wuhan lab does is related to a type of viruses endemic to their area makes sense. They're trying to do useful research. Still, even though I doubt they can take any blame for the current pandemic, it does make for a great conspiracy theory!
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[QUOTE=ectoBgone;1653719263]Nevertheless, he signed up for this job and needs to swallow that indirect link and have an honest discussion about it.[/QUOTE]
That's true.
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1653714043]I watched it and don't disagree with their sentiments.
All along I've felt there's been too much politics involved in the information dissemination and guidances. That said, other than saying people shouldn't be wearing masks way back at the beginning when there was a shortage of N95 masks, I don't think Fauci ever gave really bad advice and I don't think he's lied. I also don't think he had to be pressured to admit anything in the clips they showed. He just had to be asked. He's pretty honest and admits it when he's made a mistake. Whether it's appropriate for him to say he thinks others are making a mistake in some cases is debatable.[/QUOTE]
Agree that there has been too much politicking around this whole thing. That being said, Fauci himself is guilty of it.
So, we have been using hospitalization and death number that only account for WITH Covid as opposed to FROM Covid. And, now, he is starting to point that out about kids hospitalization numbers being high. The Governor of NY is now looking to change the way their numbers are seen also and only report hospitalization [B]from[/B] Covid.
So, we've fear mongered the general population with numbers that aren't accurate. The media is just as culpable as they continually claim 800k deaths FROM Covid.
I guess I'm most tired of the way the media & Fauci have used the data to manipulate us. And, the hospitals have manipulated the system for financial gain.
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Either this rapid COVID test is defective or I didn't pee on it long enough.
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1653783013]Either this rapid COVID test is defective or I didn't pee on it long enough.[/QUOTE]
It's saying your pregnant it's probably because you didn't follow the instructions. Don't they say something about inserting it 3/4 of an inch and spinning it around a bunch of times???
Sorry I can't help more. I have trouble reading the Chinese characters on the ones I grabbed at Harbor Freight.
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So I like Michael Olsterholms take on Covid from Cidrap at the U of Minnesota.
here is the podcast if you like no BS information:Episode 84: Imperfect Situations and Imperfect Solutions
[url]https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/podcasts-webinars/episode-84[/url]
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1653783013]Either this rapid COVID test is defective or I didn't pee on it long enough.[/QUOTE]
No worries it’s negative because you’re vaccinated; this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated, the President said so, and he knows the science elf.
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1653783013]Either this rapid COVID test is defective or I didn't pee on it long enough.[/QUOTE]
There's nothing rapid about me peeing any more. I might need to use the other one...
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This video is hilarious and so true.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1653719693][youtube]kgUoGSqusCE[/youtube][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1653797823]No worries it’s negative because you’re vaccinated; this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated, the President said so, and he knows the science elf.[/QUOTE]
Yes and I think we’re supposed to keep peeing on it and then get a test subscription for only $49.99 per month.
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[img]https://i.imgur.com/GSjSraV.png[/img]
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[QUOTE=Fishman15;1653798713]There's nothing rapid about me peeing any more. I might need to use the other one...[/QUOTE]
Hello Flomax !
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Positive covid test results will now be allowed to be used as proof of vaccination.
[url]https://babylonbee.com/news/businesses-requiring-positive-covid-test-as-proof-of-vaccination[/url]
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1653954363]Positive covid test results will now be allowed to be used as proof of vaccination.
[url]https://babylonbee.com/news/businesses-requiring-positive-covid-test-as-proof-of-vaccination[/url][/QUOTE]
Nothing spreads fake new better than the babylonbee.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/UFzHB9Y.png?1[/img]
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1653954563]Nothing spreads fake new better than the babylonbee.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/UFzHB9Y.png?1[/img][/QUOTE]
While allegedly satire, so far all of their news reports have turned out to be more accurate than cnn and fox.
I challenge you to find a report that is not accurate on the main news site :p
[url]https://babylonbee.com/news[/url]
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1653960763]While allegedly satire, so far all of their news reports have turned out to be more accurate than cnn and fox. [/quote]
Not "allegedly" satire, it is satire by their own admission.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/hsfivkk.png?1[/img]
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1653960763]
I challenge you to find a report that is not accurate on the main news site :p
[url]https://babylonbee.com/news[/url][/QUOTE]
Not going to waste my time, on a fake news outlet with about 24 employees that openly prides itself on satire.
But hey, people believe the National Enquirer too. Just not me. Fill your boots.
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i just read that it is the conservative christian "the Onion"
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1653962023]Not "allegedly" satire, it is satire by their own admission.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/hsfivkk.png?1[/img]
Not going to waste my time, on a fake news outlet with about 24 employees that openly prides itself on satire.
But hey, people believe the National Enquirer too. Just not me. Fill your boots.[/QUOTE]
If you’re gonna have fake news, it should be entertaining. I see my sarcasm was lost on you. That’s okay, could be an effect from all those boosters :D
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Can the vaccine make you gay? Asking for a friend.
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[QUOTE=mgftp;1653993043]Can the vaccine make you gay? Asking for a friend.[/QUOTE]
Watch your friend closely, if they start changing their pronouns, avoid that vaccine type.
Good Luck to your friend
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Tested positive via an at home antigen test this morning. Took a trip to Vegas this last weekend (Thu - Sun). Woke up Friday morning with a chitty nose, which is normal for me being around all of the cigarette smoke. Saturday the same with a bit of a mucusy cough. Came home Sunday with same symptoms, runny nose slight cough. Took the at home test and positive showed up this morning. Ran and got swabbed for a PCR to confirm.
So far, symptoms are exactly cold like.
2nd Moderna dose 3/30/21, no booster.
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[QUOTE=litljay;1654081463]Tested positive via an at home antigen test this morning. Took a trip to Vegas this last weekend (Thu - Sun). Woke up Friday morning with a chitty nose, which is normal for me being around all of the cigarette smoke. Saturday the same with a bit of a mucusy cough. Came home Sunday with same symptoms, runny nose slight cough. Took the at home test and positive showed up this morning. Ran and got swabbed for a PCR to confirm.
So far, symptoms are exactly cold like.
2nd Moderna dose 3/30/21, no booster.[/QUOTE]
Too funny. One of the other docs in my wife's practice went to Vegas last week and she has COVID now too. So does the other person who went with her.
Of course what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas, has never applied to viruses and such.
Hope you feel better quickly.
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[QUOTE=litljay;1654081463]Tested positive via an at home antigen test this morning. Took a trip to Vegas this last weekend (Thu - Sun). Woke up Friday morning with a chitty nose, which is normal for me being around all of the cigarette smoke. Saturday the same with a bit of a mucusy cough. Came home Sunday with same symptoms, runny nose slight cough. Took the at home test and positive showed up this morning. Ran and got swabbed for a PCR to confirm.
So far, symptoms are exactly cold like.
2nd Moderna dose 3/30/21, no booster.[/QUOTE]
All the best Jay, hope it's a quick recovery brother
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Thanks for the well wishes. Honestly, this [I]currently[/I] doesn't feel like anything other than a common cold that I've endured countless times.
Also, tried to get the monoclonal antibody treatment and no can do currently. Hospitals are only giving them to "at risk" patients. There's an Allergy doctor that was administering them and when I called they told me they were completely out and their allocation has been cut by 90%. Said they normally get 100 treatments per week and are now only receiving 10. I would imagine with the increased case loads, the powers that be are trying to keep them available for the at risk group. Not sure how they are allocating that though.
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How you feeling today Jay?
Was really winded lifting this morning which is never a problem for me. No other symptoms but thinking about burning a at home test.
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1654048413][img]https://i.imgur.com/yfpmUwU.jpg?1[/img][/QUOTE]
Two coworkers got the rona. One of them for the second, maybe third time. Chitty symptoms but 70% of the first tome she got corona and no never apparently.
Going around and spreading like wildfire amongst workers where I’m at.
Oh, they say “vaccine is for pu**ies and more people are dying from the vaccine anyways”. So no vaccine for them.
