Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1636595493]Fkn thanks. I finally got the nerves together to get the vaccine (stil have to go get it) and you post this[/QUOTE]

Lol ya, well, you do get some side effects from basic stuff like the flu shot (or COVID vaccine).... the factory line of vaccinations would make anyone sick.
Thankfully I only had to do that once.

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1636595493]Fkn thanks. I finally got the nerves together to get the vaccine (stil have to go get it) and you post this[/QUOTE]
Dude, you go get that shot as planned in spite of these here big babies.

That's right, the truth is that its got nothing to do with the vaccine; all these self proclaimed "anti vaxxers" are scared of needles! That's it! They just big babies!

I do gotta say that it is a honking big needle they jab you with. Dude, you're not scared of needles are you? If so, wear a helmet so if you pass out, you wont snap your noodles. You'll probably be fine. :)

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1636591353]Just some pretty nasty temporary sides for some. Another person I work with got their second Pfizer dose Friday and felt like death Saturday and Sunday then poof sides were gone and he felt fine. Said he was shivering, sweating and slept about 14hrs. He also had covid not too long ago. I wonder if the people who get worse sides were exposed wether they knew it or not.[/QUOTE]

I had the nasty sides.

My Gout was acting up bad Friday, probably been 4 years since I had a problem with it. Had some pills tucked away in case it ever came back. The pills have a "may cause dizziness" warning on them, but I have never been dizzy by any medication, until now. Felt like I was on a tilt-a-whirl if I sat down for a bit and then got up and started moving, I might just be getting old or maybe that medicine was old but WTF.

I felt crappy for about 4 hours and then I was fine...

but then again I embrace adversity and it's no real secret I'm a lot tougher than most of the sissy's that frequent this site !

[QUOTE=Oceanside;1636616553]I felt crappy for about 4 hours and then I was fine...

but then again I embrace adversity and it's no real secret I'm a lot tougher than most of the sissy's that frequent this site ![/QUOTE]

RIP





In one year time

[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1636617513]RIP
In one year time[/QUOTE]

you're such a girly man...

you probably host tupperware parties every sunday morning at 10am with mimosa's, and Donna Summer CD's playing in the background .

Yea..all those animal tests of the vaccine..those didn’t pan out too well..but I’m sure for humans it will be much different in a few months..

-Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus

[url]https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421[/url]

-Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of Feline Infectious Peritonitis Virus Infection in Feline Alveolar Macro****es and Human Monocyte Cell Line U937 by Serum of Cats Experimentally or Naturally Infected with Feline Coronavirus

[url]https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jvms/60/1/60_1_49/_article[/url]


-Vaccine efficacy in senescent mice challenged with recombinant SARS-CoV bearing epidemic and zoonotic spike variants

[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17194199/[/url]


-Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus

[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/[/url]


-Prior immunization with severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV) nucleocapsid protein causes severe pneumonia in mice infected with SARS-CoV

[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18941225/[/url]

-Evaluation of the mRNA-1273 Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 in Nonhuman Primates

[url]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7449230/[/url]

-Immunization with Modified Vaccinia Virus Ankara-Based Recombinant Vaccine against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Is Associated with Enhanced Hepatitis in Ferrets

[url]https://jvi.asm.org/content/78/22/12672[/url]

[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1636619933]Yea..all those animal tests of the vaccine..those didn’t pan out too well..but I’m sure for humans it will be much different in a few months..

-Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus

[url]https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421[/url]

-Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of Feline Infectious Peritonitis Virus Infection in Feline Alveolar Macro****es and Human Monocyte Cell Line U937 by Serum of Cats Experimentally or Naturally Infected with Feline Coronavirus

[url]https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jvms/60/1/60_1_49/_article[/url]


-Vaccine efficacy in senescent mice challenged with recombinant SARS-CoV bearing epidemic and zoonotic spike variants

[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17194199/[/url]


-Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus

[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/[/url]


-Prior immunization with severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV) nucleocapsid protein causes severe pneumonia in mice infected with SARS-CoV

[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18941225/[/url]

-Evaluation of the mRNA-1273 Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 in Nonhuman Primates

[url]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7449230/[/url]

-Immunization with Modified Vaccinia Virus Ankara-Based Recombinant Vaccine against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Is Associated with Enhanced Hepatitis in Ferrets

[url]https://jvi.asm.org/content/78/22/12672[/url][/QUOTE]

those poor ferrets.

[QUOTE=Oceanside;1636620403]those poor ferrets.[/QUOTE]

You mean humans..

Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease

[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/[/url]

[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1636619933]Yea..all those animal tests of the vaccine..those didn’t pan out too well..but I’m sure for humans it will be much different in a few months..

-Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus

[url]https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421[/url]

-Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of Feline Infectious Peritonitis Virus Infection in Feline Alveolar Macro****es and Human Monocyte Cell Line U937 by Serum of Cats Experimentally or Naturally Infected with Feline Coronavirus

[url]https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jvms/60/1/60_1_49/_article[/url]


-Vaccine efficacy in senescent mice challenged with recombinant SARS-CoV bearing epidemic and zoonotic spike variants

[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17194199/[/url]


-Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus

[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/[/url]


-Prior immunization with severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV) nucleocapsid protein causes severe pneumonia in mice infected with SARS-CoV

[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18941225/[/url]

-Evaluation of the mRNA-1273 Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 in Nonhuman Primates

[url]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7449230/[/url]

-Immunization with Modified Vaccinia Virus Ankara-Based Recombinant Vaccine against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Is Associated with Enhanced Hepatitis in Ferrets

[url]https://jvi.asm.org/content/78/22/12672[/url][/QUOTE]

Cliffs?

Do the vaccine or not? Why?

Thought this one was funny.

[img]https://imageproxy.ifunny.co/crop:x-20,resize:640x,quality:90x75/images/6be80ce285db058180d63b989fce8fd85f4612de0945046768214fa3c5edcbf7_1.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Cantplankwell;1636570843]Found out this morning they are allocating a large percentage of our Vaccines to areas harder hit.

Back of the line once again.

I have also heard that the AstraZeneca vaccines are getting spoiled because folks turn them down at the clinics ...however there has only been two cases of the clotting issue with it here in Canada, not sure how accurate that is.

More fun: There is a stay at home order in Ontario, however my Son is finished University and I have to travel 3.5 hours away (one way) with him to move out of his room in the house he rents with 3 other guys...by the end of this month. Landlord wants them out so he can fix up/clean up for the next tenants. Not sure if moving out breaks rules or not. You are only supposed to leave home to: work, get basic supplies, seek medical attention, assist someone who lives alone.[/QUOTE]

You are fine to leave your home and travel to move your son. I checked this out, because I am in the process of closing up my dad's house and settling his estate.

The AstraZeneca shot is given at pharmacies. The public health locations are giving Pfizer or Moderna.

I got my first dose vaccine last week. I am 56YO and in good health, but I got to get a vax because I live in a hot spot even though I work from home, can afford to get my groceries delivered, and seldom leave the house. If I had my way, I would have given my spot to a worker who takes a crowded bus to and from their warehouse job where they have no benefits, no sick days, no vacation days, and are still considered part-time after years of service. Those are the people who are getting sick and those are the people who ought to be vaccinated before people like me.

[QUOTE=Oceanside;1636618463]you're such a girly man...

you probably host tupperware parties every sunday morning at 10am with mimosa's, and Donna Summer CD's playing in the background .[/QUOTE]

Donna had some good songs, so don't be hatin.....:)

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1636639423]Donna had some good songs, so don't be hatin.....:)[/QUOTE]

[youtube]Nm-ISatLDG0[/youtube]

This was years ahead of it's time, great tune

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1636624443]Cliffs?

Do the vaccine or not? Why?[/QUOTE]

Once vaccinated, the animals had an inability to fight off or suffered adverse effects once reinfected.

The vaccinated animals did not all die; however, many vaccinated animals became sicker than non-vaccinated when exposed to the SARS virus. Some studies included sacrificing the test animals and tissue study---most of the vaccinated animals in the studies developed inflammation in liver or lung or elsewhere.

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1636624443]Cliffs?

Do the vaccine or not? Why?[/QUOTE]

Reading the first link. It wasn't a vaccine that was finished, it was 9 years ago (2012), wasn't for COVID (i.e. wasn't for SARS-CoV-2), wasn't humans

But... if you are reading this post and just about to vaccinate ferrets with random old vaccines, I hope makes you stop and think about what you're doing.

EDIT:

[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1636641333]Once vaccinated, the animals had an inability to fight off or suffered adverse effects once reinfected.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying getting any of the vaccines is zero risk... But be aware in the AZ trials they exposed vaccinated people to the virus to test for exactly that. So far... there's no evidence of it being a significant risk.

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1636641493]Reading the first link. It wasn't a vaccine that was finished, it was 9 years ago (2012), wasn't for COVID (i.e. wasn't for SARS-CoV-2), wasn't humans

But... if you are reading this post and just about to vaccinate ferrets with random old vaccines, I hope makes you stop and think about what you're doing[/QUOTE]

Lmfao I'm ded :D

[QUOTE=Oceanside;1636618463]you're such a girly man...

you probably host tupperware parties every sunday morning at 10am with mimosa's, and Donna Summer CD's playing in the background .[/QUOTE]

I bake cookies and I sing Kumbaya.

How did you get your mental toughness?

[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1636619933]Yea..all those animal tests of the vaccine..those didn’t pan out too well..but I’m sure for humans it will be much different in a few months..

-Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus

[url]https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421[/url]

-Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of Feline Infectious Peritonitis Virus Infection in Feline Alveolar Macro****es and Human Monocyte Cell Line U937 by Serum of Cats Experimentally or Naturally Infected with Feline Coronavirus

[url]https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jvms/60/1/60_1_49/_article[/url]


-Vaccine efficacy in senescent mice challenged with recombinant SARS-CoV bearing epidemic and zoonotic spike variants

[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17194199/[/url]


-Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus

[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/[/url]


-Prior immunization with severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV) nucleocapsid protein causes severe pneumonia in mice infected with SARS-CoV

[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18941225/[/url]

-Evaluation of the mRNA-1273 Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 in Nonhuman Primates

[url]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7449230/[/url]

-Immunization with Modified Vaccinia Virus Ankara-Based Recombinant Vaccine against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Is Associated with Enhanced Hepatitis in Ferrets

[url]https://jvi.asm.org/content/78/22/12672[/url][/QUOTE]

How long did it take you to make this post?

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1636641493]Reading the first link. It wasn't a vaccine that was finished, it was 9 years ago (2012), wasn't for COVID (i.e. wasn't for SARS-CoV-2), wasn't humans

But... if you are reading this post and just about to vaccinate ferrets with random old vaccines, I hope makes you stop and think about what you're doing.

EDIT:


I'm not saying getting any of the vaccines is zero risk... But be aware in the AZ trials they exposed vaccinated people to the virus to test for exactly that. So far... there's no evidence of it being a significant risk.[/QUOTE]

The first SARS-CoV outbreak was back in the 2003. It was much more likely to kill than the current COV19. Much work was done trying to develop a vaccine; however, the outbreak rather fizzled-out.

Scientists knew that another recurrence was likely (and planned in advance?) and continued to work on a reliable vaccine. Maybe the mRNA vaccine is gonna be the answer, maybe it's gonna be the "final solution"?

The last studies were specifically Covid 19

Also..

-Antibody-dependent enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies

[url]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5[/url]

[QUOTE=eomrat;1636641683]How long did it take you to make this post?[/QUOTE]

Not long, it's all copy and paste,
the guy is just a fuking Parrot

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1636642193]Not long, it's all copy and paste,
the guy is just a fuking Parrot[/QUOTE]

Yea, it’s literally the studies title & the links to them. FFS it’s a 2 min google search

Yeah, understood. Oxford team vaccine was being developed for MERS (and SARS derivatives possible) and went to initial trials for MERS, so when CoV-2 landed they were 3/4 the way there. That's how they got it out first.

Interestingly Astra Zeneca aren't historically a vaccine company, they decided to do this with Oxford for cost, so they're not making money out of it (not directly). They thought that it would result in everyone thinking they were wonderful and ultra helpful best company ever and it'd all be skipping through sunshine and roses.

Things didn't exactly turn out like that. Bet they wished they'd chosen cash instead.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1636642193]Not long, it's all copy and paste,
the guy is just a fuking Parrot[/QUOTE]

Is that the same guy who threatened to start posting proof that common colds don't spread from person to person?

[QUOTE=Cass40;1636642563]Is that the same guy who threatened to start posting proof that common colds don't spread from person to person?[/QUOTE]

I don't know, but it most certainly could be

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1636642463]Yeah, understood. Oxford team vaccine was being developed for MERS (and SARS derivatives possible) and went to initial trials for MERS, so when CoV-2 landed they were 3/4 the way there. That's how they got it out first.

Interestingly Astra Zeneca aren't historically a vaccine company, they decided to do this with Oxford for cost, so they're not making money out of it (not directly). They thought that it would result in everyone thinking they were wonderful and ultra helpful best company ever and it'd all be skipping through sunshine and roses.

Things didn't exactly turn out like that. Bet they wished they'd chosen cash instead.[/QUOTE]

Interesting. Here's an article from last May that discussed antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) and vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease (ERD)

[url]https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/covid-19-vaccine-researchers-mindful-of-immune-enhancement-67576[/url]

“Different routes to immune enhancement came to the foreground in the 1960s during clinical trials where young children were immunized with whole-inactivated virus vaccines against respiratory syncytial virus (RSV). When the children contracted RSV naturally a few months after the vaccinations, those who were immunized got a lot sicker than those who weren’t. In fact, in one trial, 80 percent of children in the youngest cohort had to be hospitalized, and two died.
"The syndrome those hospitalized kids developed is called vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease (ERD)"

[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1636642363]Yea, it’s literally the studies title & the links to them. FFS it’s a 2 min google search[/QUOTE]

So, you didn't read the articles you posted?

[QUOTE=Cass40;1636642563]Is that the same guy who threatened to start posting proof that common colds don't spread from person to person?[/QUOTE]

Are you on meds? Srs question

[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1636643033]Are you on meds? Srs question[/QUOTE]

No I am not.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1636643093]No I am not.[/QUOTE]

At no point did lockdowns, masks or mandates prove to slow the spread, in fact quite the opposite. That was my point..