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[QUOTE=mgftp;1647737143]Well of course, I guess I don't often think of chronic illness as it's not the world of healthcare I am around too much in terms of medication, professionally and personally. Am I wrong in thinking there are more meds for acute treatment than chronic though?
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I don't know, but I think there's more money in the chronic illnesses. There's a lot in ID too, but Rheum, GI, Endo, Neuro and Cardiology are huge opportunities. RA, psoriatic arthritis, psoriasis, NASH, inflammatory bowel disease, diabetes, htn, hyperlipidemia, anticoagulation for a-fib, Alzheimer's... Those can be multi-billion dollar a year drugs. Some oncology drugs may also be. Google the sales of Humira each year.
QUOTE=Plateauplower;1647741423]What are your thoughts on the CDC not heeding the FDA advice on boosters? That seems rather odd. I agree with boosters for high risk if they help, but isn’t that what the FDA was supposed to determine through research and the CDC recommended strategies aligned with the findings? The science is really getting strange now.[/QUOTE]
My take is the FDA decides if they think something is safe and effective enough to approve, so it's approval, not public health policy. I guess in some areas where there's a significant impact on "public health", the CDC can then offer a guidance or recommendation based on safety, efficacy, epidemiology and probably a bit of politics. It's hard to separate out politics these days because politics and economics also impact public health. Pretty close to what you said, but the FDA criteria are narrower I think.
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[QUOTE=TryingBB;1647763953]Oh I remember you did the vaccine cocktail. Remind me again - why?[/QUOTE]
Antibody test showed zero antibodies and I had to go back to work. Plus I am not scared of no vaccine lol
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1647764033]You should go for the trifecta and get a Pfizer for good measure. Do it for science. Might turn into batwoman or something :p[/QUOTE]
It’s been done for science already :)
[url]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01359-3[/url]
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I want to follow up the two Pfizer’s with JJ, a more traditional vaccine. Thoughts?
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Wow this is terrifying. Healthy 19 year old kid gets scary heart conditions after taking first dose of moderna shot.
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[url]https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=1704231[/url]
19 year old male
COVID19: COVID19 (COVID19 (MODERNA)) / MODERNA
Vaccine side effects 25 min - random chest pain/tightness lasting 5 minutes.
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Current pattern falls close to an interval of every 2 hours lasting 10-15 minutes each. 72 hrs. While working out, noticing an increased heart rate higher than usual. Using fitness watch to track heart rate. Prior to vaccine, heart rate would spike to 180 and settle between 160and 175during physical training. Continuing the same exercises with the same intensity, heart rate now spikes as high as 210 and settles between 187 and 198.
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1647743343]Well it’s government, and if there’s one thing government is proficient at, it is fuking up everything they touch.[/QUOTE]
That's not true. Government doesn't inherently fuk everything up nor is inherently tyrannical or problematic no matter how many times it's repeated here.
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[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme;1647780983]Wow this is terrifying. Healthy 19 year old kid gets scary heart conditions after taking first dose of moderna shot.[/QUOTE]
A 19 y/o reports pain starting 25 minutes after his shot and subsequent localized inflammation, musculoskeletal pain, and an increased heart rate while exercising through the pain during the week after the shot.
Was the basis of your diagnosis his heart rate while exercising through the non cardiac sounding pain, or that he continued to exercise and didn't feel the need to see a doctor?
You provided a link, so let's follow this case and see if he goes to see a physician or gives an update to the pharmacist. The pharmacist or doctor is going to be obligated to report it if your diagnosis of "scary heart conditions" is accurate.
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[QUOTE=Cass40;1647784633]That's not true. Government doesn't inherently fuk everything up nor is inherently tyrannical or problematic no matter how many times it's repeated here.[/QUOTE]
I guess I regularly deal with different agencies than you :p
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1647785333]A 19 y/o reports pain starting 25 minutes after his shot and subsequent localized inflammation, musculoskeletal pain, and an increased heart rate while exercising through the pain during the week after the shot.
Was the basis of your diagnosis his heart rate while exercising through the non cardiac sounding pain, or that he continued to exercise and didn't feel the need to see a doctor?
You provided a link, so let's follow this case and see if he goes to see a physician or gives an update to the pharmacist. The pharmacist or doctor is going to be obligated to report it if your diagnosis of "scary heart conditions" is accurate.[/QUOTE]
I see you just hand wave away his abnormally high heart rate. That’s not hand waveable away material, that’s is concerning material, particularly when max heart rate is elevated by 25 beats.
This kid is 19 years old and healthy and fit, and it looks like the shot is causing heart damage.
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[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme;1647780983]Wow this is terrifying. Healthy 19 year old kid gets scary heart conditions after taking first dose of moderna shot.[/QUOTE]
a temporary reaction isn’t terrifying and that’s the worst you can find, while 700,000 americans are killed and millions more suffer long term health effects, you extreme right wingers are something else, im an esfp btw
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[img]https://i.imgur.com/rA9cbdW.jpg?1[/img]
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[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme;1647787813]I see you just hand wave away his abnormally high heart rate. That’s not hand waveable away material, that’s is concerning material, particularly when max heart rate is elevated by 25 beats.
This kid is 19 years old and healthy and fit, and it looks like the shot is causing heart damage.[/QUOTE]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/fG9PwFG.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme;1647787813]This kid is 19 years old and healthy and fit, and it looks like the shot is causing heart damage.[/QUOTE]
Maybe. I appreciate you scouring the database to help disseminate the information and educate us.
Could you also tell us which of his symptoms were concerning for scary heart conditions and what type of scary heart conditions they indicate he's developed?
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Just got back from walking my dogs. Heart rate elevated. Is this the Pfizer shot causing heart damage?
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[QUOTE=ksengineer;1647796013]a temporary reaction isn’t terrifying and that’s the worst you can find, while 700,000 americans are killed and millions more suffer long term health effects, you extreme right wingers are something else, im an esfp btw[/QUOTE]
How many of those deaths are due to Covid only with no comorbidities? What is the percentage of Covid deaths that had comorbidities?
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1647798653]Maybe. I appreciate you scouring the database to help disseminate the information and educate us.
Could you also tell us which of his symptoms were concerning for scary heart conditions and what type of scary heart conditions they indicate he's developed?[/QUOTE]
You attempt to hand wave this healthy young man’s elevated maximum heart rate, that was over 20 BPM, and you don’t think that’s cause for concern? I’m not going to let you get away with that.
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why are you guys getting the vaccine srs
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[QUOTE=fishnbrah;1647799383]why are you guys getting the vaccine srs[/QUOTE]
Because they’re old and CNN told them to do it.
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[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme;1647799533]Because they’re old and CNN told them to do it.[/QUOTE]
doesnt seem like many people itt are "old" though
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1647752003]You in Canada? It’s not that controlled here. Walk-in appointments at about every Walgreens CVS etc. they don’t give a $hit, if you walk in and want the vaccine, they’ll give it to you.[/QUOTE]
Yup, it's actually illegal to ask for an ID when getting jabbed in my state because of and I quote from the state govt "asking for ID has caused past trauma for some people."
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[QUOTE=mgftp;1647799173]Just got back from walking my dogs. Heart rate elevated. Is this the Pfizer shot causing heart damage?[/QUOTE]
That is really " terrifying and scary"
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[QUOTE=fishnbrah;1647799383]why are you guys getting the vaccine srs[/QUOTE]
Here is my story, I live in the sticks and I don't frequent large gatherings and only shop once a week or so. Really don't need the vax, I have been social distancing long before it was a thing. I have an elderly friend who now lives in a home. He lived his life in the bush and spent a great deal of time trapping, hunting and fishing just like myself.
I am his connection to the bush, he kept asking me if I got the shot so he could visit and me visit him. He doesn't understand a lot about it. So yeah, I got the shot so we could spend some time together and his mind would be at ease knowing I and he were as he calls it "safe" lol..
So far it has been worth it, I have visited him and brought him meals of moose, ducks, fish etc.. and he came a stayed with me for a week where he went fishing and had shore lunch every day and will be coming to stay for a week or two when moose season opens. He trapped for over 50 years, the man is a wealth of knowledge and his stories are very entertaining. Seeing the joy and happiness he exuded while being in his happy place brought a lot of joy to me as well.
No regrets would do over if I had to!
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[QUOTE=fishnbrah;1647799383]why are you guys getting the vaccine srs[/QUOTE]
To lower chances of serve covid infection, SrS
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1647801283]Here is my story, I live in the sticks and I don't frequent large gatherings and only shop once a week or so. Really don't need the vax, I have been social distancing long before it was a thing. I have an elderly friend who now lives in a home. He lived his life in the bush and spent a great deal of time trapping, hunting and fishing just like myself.
I am his connection to the bush, he kept asking me if I got the shot so he could visit and me visit him. He doesn't understand a lot about it. So yeah, I got the shot so we could spend some time together and his mind would be at ease knowing I and he were as he calls it "safe" lol..
So far it has been worth it, I have visited him and brought him meals of moose, ducks, fish etc.. and he came a stayed with me for a week where he went fishing and had shore lunch every day and will be coming to stay for a week or two when moose season opens. He trapped for over 50 years, the man is a wealth of knowledge and his stories are very entertaining. Seeing the joy and happiness he exuded while being in his happy place brought a lot of joy to me as well.
No regrets would do over if I had to![/QUOTE]
What kind of fishing you do? And moose? Where you live?
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[QUOTE=mgftp;1647801643]To lower chances of serve covid infection, SrS
What kind of fishing you do? And moose? Where you live?[/QUOTE]
Mostly trout, Lakers, Rainbow, Specks. There is good bass and pike fishing, but I don't bother with them. Yes, moose in the area.
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1647801283]Here is my story, I live in the sticks and I don't frequent large gatherings and only shop once a week or so. Really don't need the vax, I have been social distancing long before it was a thing. I have an elderly friend who now lives in a home. He lived his life in the bush and spent a great deal of time trapping, hunting and fishing just like myself.
I am his connection to the bush, he kept asking me if I got the shot so he could visit and me visit him. He doesn't understand a lot about it. So yeah, I got the shot so we could spend some time together and his mind would be at ease knowing I and he were as he calls it "safe" lol..
So far it has been worth it, I have visited him and brought him meals of moose, ducks, fish etc.. and he came a stayed with me for a week where he went fishing and had shore lunch every day and will be coming to stay for a week or two when moose season opens. He trapped for over 50 years, the man is a wealth of knowledge and his stories are very entertaining. Seeing the joy and happiness he exuded while being in his happy place brought a lot of joy to me as well.
No regrets would do over if I had to![/QUOTE]
That’s awesome, I’m sure spending that many years running lines he has a LOT of stories. I wish the market would come back, I’d love to get back into trapping. I mean I could, but it’s not something I enjoy enough to do at a financial deficit (break-even is usually good enough though lol). I still trap some select places just to keep the farmers happy then give the fur to someone local to process and sell.
Awesome that you are keeping him engaged and probably learning some interesting things as well.
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[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme;1647799283]You attempt to hand wave this healthy young man’s elevated maximum heart rate, that was over 20 BPM, and you don’t think that’s cause for concern? I’m not going to let you get away with that.[/QUOTE]
Good, don't let me get away with anything.
I saw that he had a higher HR while exercising. OK. Now answer the question I asked. His being able to sustain such a high HR and have good enough cardiac output to do his exercise routine may help us rule out some heart conditions. That's awesome and I appreciate you pointing it out again.
But that's not what I'm asking you about. I'm asking you to help us understand the symptoms you are assessing as diagnostic of his scary heart conditions and then to tell us what those conditions are.
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1647801283]Here is my story, I live in the sticks and I don't frequent large gatherings and only shop once a week or so. Really don't need the vax, I have been social distancing long before it was a thing. I have an elderly friend who now lives in a home. He lived his life in the bush and spent a great deal of time trapping, hunting and fishing just like myself.
I am his connection to the bush, he kept asking me if I got the shot so he could visit and me visit him. He doesn't understand a lot about it. So yeah, I got the shot so we could spend some time together and his mind would be at ease knowing I and he were as he calls it "safe" lol..
So far it has been worth it, I have visited him and brought him meals of moose, ducks, fish etc.. and he came a stayed with me for a week where he went fishing and had shore lunch every day and will be coming to stay for a week or two when moose season opens. He trapped for over 50 years, the man is a wealth of knowledge and his stories are very entertaining. Seeing the joy and happiness he exuded while being in his happy place brought a lot of joy to me as well.
No regrets would do over if I had to![/QUOTE]
That's nice. I would and did also get the shot to make others comfortable but I do admit I have felt much more comfortable even if is just a placebo effect.
I have been doing the exact opposite since they opened everything up. It's been a huge super spreader event since March. I have been to the beaches, amusement parks etc. am always around tons of people. Somehow I guess I'm afraid everything gets closed up again and I have to enjoy everything while I can.
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[QUOTE=Cass40;1647805863]That's nice. I would and did also get the shot to make others comfortable but I do admit I have felt much more comfortable even if is just a placebo effect.
I have been doing the exact opposite since they opened everything up. It's been a huge super spreader event since March. I have been to the beaches, amusement parks etc. am always around tons of people. Somehow I guess I'm afraid everything gets closed up again and I have to enjoy everything while I can.[/QUOTE]
LOL well ya gotta live Cass, you are young and healthy. If Covid comes anywhere near you, show it your pull ups and it will run for the hills.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1647804553]That’s awesome, I’m sure spending that many years running lines he has a LOT of stories. I wish the market would come back, I’d love to get back into trapping. I mean I could, but it’s not something I enjoy enough to do at a financial deficit (break-even is usually good enough though lol). I still trap some select places just to keep the farmers happy then give the fur to someone local to process and sell.
Awesome that you are keeping him engaged and probably learning some interesting things as well.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I quit trapping, no money in fur. I ran lines back in the 70's and 80's and made some big bucks, now it's just not worth it, put most of what you make back in fuel and repairs lol It's good that you are taking care of some nuisance fur though.
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1647805163]Good, don't let me get away with anything.
I saw that he had a higher HR while exercising. OK. Now answer the question I asked. His being able to sustain such a high HR and have good enough cardiac output to do his exercise routine may help us rule out some heart conditions. That's awesome and I appreciate you pointing it out again.
But that's not what I'm asking you about. I'm asking you to help us understand the symptoms you are assessing as diagnostic of his scary heart conditions and then to tell us what those conditions are.[/QUOTE]
Oh just stop with this faux-ignorance act. If I put some new fuel additive into my car and all of a sudden upon acceleration my RPMs start spiking up past red lining, when previously the RPMs only got up to 6000 RPM upon acceleration, that clearly tells me something is wrong, and severe engine damage can occur.
Are you attempting to say that exceeding ones maximum heart rate through synthetic means is perfectly healthy?
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1647801963]Mostly trout, Lakers, Rainbow, Specks. There is good bass and pike fishing, but I don't bother with them. Yes, moose in the area.[/QUOTE]
I am a pretty casual fisher, aim for bass, hate catching pickerel and muskie by accident.
Not even gonna give up the state or country you are in huh? You on witness protection?
