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[QUOTE=TryingBB;1639446733]No chit a 91 yr old dude passed away. He could’ve lived another 40 yrs.
I hope you see where I’m going with this
Smh[/QUOTE]
Like those increased deaths from last year..we know where those came from as well.
Also..still don’t see the point in being vaccinated..
[url]https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/infdis/jiab255/6274562[/url]
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/health/coronavirus-immunity.amp.html[/url]
[QUOTE=TryingBB;1639446873]Hysteria you say? You see what’s happening in India?
People taking oxygen in the streets.
People at doctors and hospitals begging for the overwhelmed medical staff to look at their loved ones
Masses and massed sick with covid. In some cases I hear entire villages getting covid
That’s what the lockdowns avoided in most of the rest of the world and here in US. But no we gotta bitch and bitch without realizing how good we got it here.
If you can’t see it dunno what to say. Continue living in your own lil world
Yes, businesses took advantage of the situation and made some money...I guess the people up there know this is going to happen and is happening but they actually turn a blind eye to such idiots so that the masses can get what they deserve/need[/QUOTE]
Have you ever been to India? 90% of the people don’t have clean water..what’s going on there is a larp in regards to Covid. Also, the lockdowns killed far more people then we would have ever saved you do realize?
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1639447033]Have you ever been to India? 90% of the people don’t have clean water..what’s going on there is a larp in regards to Covid. Also, the lockdowns killed far more people then we would have ever saved you do realize?[/QUOTE]
People died due to lockdowns? Depression? Lack of work? Lack of food?
I’m not aware. Aware me
[QUOTE=TryingBB;1639447623]People died due to lockdowns? Depression? Lack of work? Lack of food?
I’m not aware. Aware me[/QUOTE]
They were all crammed in apartments together and had to breathe each other's poop particles...but don't quote me on that as this thread is so long that I can't remember everything.
[QUOTE=TryingBB;1639447623]People died due to lockdowns? Depression? Lack of work? Lack of food?
I’m not aware. Aware me[/QUOTE]
Sure..Because of lockdowns
• People Suffering from Other Diseases
◦ 1.4 million additional tuberculosis deaths due to lockdown disruptions
◦ 500,000 additional deaths related to HIV
◦ Malaria deaths could double to 770,000 total per year
◦ 65 percent decrease in all cancer screenings
◦ Breast cancer screenings dropped 89 percent
◦ Colorectal screenings dropped 85 percent
◦ Projected increase in cancer deaths, including up to 16.6 percent increase in colorectal cancer deaths, 9.5 percent increase in breast cancer deaths, and 5.4 percent increase in lung cancer deaths over the next 5 years
◦ 75 percent decrease in suspected cancer referrals in the UK
◦ At least 1/3 of excess deaths in the U.S. are already not related to COVID-19
◦ Widespread disruption of access to health care in the UK, disproportionately for poor individuals
◦ Increase in cardiac arrests but decrease in EMS calls for them
◦ 38% decrease in heart disease-related treatments
◦ 33% drop in heart attack patients, 58% drop in stroke patients
◦ Significant increase in stress-related cardiomyopathy during lockdowns
◦ 15,000 additional non-COVID Alzheimer’s deaths (as of June – likely much higher now)
• Starvation and Food Insecurity
◦ 168k child hunger deaths predicted in Africa
◦ As many as 12,000 additional hunger deaths expected per day globally due to lockdown disruptions, up to 6,000 children
◦ World Food Programme sees an 82% increase in food insecurity
◦ 132 million additional people in sub-Saharan Africa are projected to be undernourished due to lockdown disruptions
◦ More than 50 million people living in America, including 17 million children, are likely to experience food insecurity by the end of the year
◦ UNICEF is having to feed UK children for the first time
◦ 2 million Filipino families are starving because of lockdowns, at levels “never seen before”
◦ UN warns that the famine and lockdown fallout in 2021 will be catastrophic
• Effects on Children
◦ Study estimates up to 2.3 million additional child deaths in the next year from lockdowns
◦ Lockdowns are fueling child labor, including in commercial sex exploitation, mining, and tobacco production
◦ Up to 104% increase in new HIV infections among children
◦ Millions of girls have been deprived of access to food, basic healthcare, and protection and thousands exposed to abuse and exploitation
◦ FGM increases in Africa, setting back previous widespread efforts to end FGM
◦ An estimated 13 million more child marriages
◦ Teen pregnancy up in many countries
◦ Low-income students are suffering in online classes, widening inequality
◦ School closures leading to a disproportionate increased health, social and economic divides between low and high-income families
◦ School closures in the US decreased reported child abuse by 27 percent
◦ Billions of days of lost education worldwide
◦ Decreased access to healthcare
◦ Anxiety and stress from stay-at-home orders
◦ Sharp rise in eating disorders among children
◦ Child abuse reports increased 34% in Ireland between March and December
• Domestic/Sexual Abuse
◦ Domestic violence reports have skyrocketed (another source here)
◦ Up to 70% decrease in reports of child abuse to CPS early in lockdown
◦ Male victim domestic abuse calls increased by 60% in the UK
◦ Domestic abuse becomes more severe during lockdowns
• Economy and Poverty
◦ 150 million people forced into extreme poverty
◦ 8 million Americans pushed into poverty – largest increase in US history
◦ Half of lower-income Americans report household job or wage loss due to lockdowns
◦ A year of lockdowns has destroyed a decade of progress in helping the world’s poor – particularly in children
◦ Shutdowns cause disproportionate number of evictions for Black and Latino tenants
◦ School closures are causing many detrimental second-order economic effects
◦ Lockdowns drive homelessness in NYC to record levels
◦ Over 110,000 US restaurants permanently closed
◦ Unemployment tripled among young Americans, 52% now live with their parents
◦ 2 million UK families have been pushed into poverty
◦ NYC bankruptcies are up 40% compared to a year ago (as of September)
◦ Half of European small and medium businesses say they will face bankruptcy in the next year
◦ New Zealand lockdowns pushed 70k children into poverty
◦ 90% of New Zealanders who lost their jobs were women
◦ Thousands of Aucklanders turn to food banks – there are now 29 registered food banks in Auckland; prior to COVID there were less than 5
◦ Up to 500,000 fewer births in the U.S. will create severe economic hardship for childcare and child-related services and products
• Mental health
◦ 1 in 5 U.S. adults developed mental disorder
◦ 1 in 4 young adults have seriously considered suicide
◦ Severe consequences from isolation of the elderly – increased mortality, worsening cognitive abilities, accelerating dementia, mental health consequences, failure to thrive, etc.
◦ Isolation of children significantly increases their risk of poor adult health – both mentally and physically
◦ Half of young adults showing signs of depression
◦ Half of students say their mental health has declined
◦ Suicidal ideation increased in areas under stay-at-home orders while it remained stable in areas that did not have stay-at-home orders
◦ Cases of depression and prevalence of depression symptoms have tripled in the U.S.
◦ As many as 10 million people, including 1.5 million children, are thought to need new or additional mental health support as a direct result of lockdowns in the UK
◦ 70% increase in referrals of patients with serious suicidal thoughts in Israel
• Suicides
◦ Suicide-related calls to crisis hotline in Canada increased 66 percent
◦ Suicides up in Bay Area
◦ Projected increase in suicides in Canada
◦ Suicides up sharply in Toronto
◦ Canadians in quarantine twice as likely to have suicidal thoughts
◦ Military suicides up 20%
◦ Suicides increasing among children in Dallas metro area
◦ Male suicides at highest level in two decades in England
◦ Suicides rising in Japan for the first time in over a decade
• Substance Abuse
◦ Overdoses and overdose deaths are at their highest point ever for a 12-month period in the U.S.
◦ Canada seeing record number of opioid deaths (Alberta, British Columbia, Winnipeg, Saskatchewan)
◦ More people are needing drugs to cope with anxiety and depression
◦ ******** overdoses increased 60% in Georgia since lockdown
◦ Every week of lockdowns increases binge drinking by 19%
Consider yourself “awared”
Wanna try again TryingBB...or nah?
I’ll go a couple more with you..
“It's been estimated there will be an additional 1.4 million tuberculosis deaths from the disruptions caused by lockdowns, 500k additional deaths related to HIV, 335k from malaria. So from these 3 diseases alone, that's 3.2 million lockdown deaths. COVID is at 1.9 million.”
[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/health/coronavirus-tuberculosis-aids-malaria.html#click=https://t.co/UMSXByMKox[/url]
“In 98% of the comparisons using 87 different regions of the world we found no evidence that the number of deaths/million is reduced by staying at home.””
[url]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-84092-1[/url]
Do you need more awareness?
How bout you Cass..you good?
Also, please do tell why the vaccine is necessary?
[url]https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/infdis/jiab255/6274562[/url]
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/health/coronavirus-immunity.amp.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1639447973]Wanna try again TryingBB...or nah?
I’ll go a couple more with you..
“It's been estimated there will be an additional 1.4 million tuberculosis deaths from the disruptions caused by lockdowns, 500k additional deaths related to HIV, 335k from malaria. So from these 3 diseases alone, that's 3.2 million lockdown deaths. COVID is at 1.9 million.”
[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/health/coronavirus-tuberculosis-aids-malaria.html#click=https://t.co/UMSXByMKox[/url]
“In 98% of the comparisons using 87 different regions of the world we found no evidence that the number of deaths/million is reduced by staying at home.””
[url]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-84092-1[/url]
Do you need more awareness?
How bout you Cass..you good?[/QUOTE]
Fuk
All those seem legit
Me and my family legit decided so many times not to go see a doc when under normal circumstances we would’ve.
Awared
[QUOTE=TryingBB;1639448163]Fuk
All those seem legit
Me and my family legit decided so many times not to go see a doc when under normal circumstances we would’ve.
Awared[/QUOTE]
Oh, was your hospital too busy making TikTok dance videos as well?
Cause they weren’t full of Covid patients, we know that for sure.
Hell even the ship Trump brought into NY, only 77 beds were used & it was turned away after a few weeks
Yeah for sure people haven't gotten their check ups. Even if they would be able to, many were scared. Also a coworker was getting ready to get a knee surgery just before covid and he still hasn't gotten it. Now it has to do with the fact that his insurance got changed.
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1639448233]Oh, was your hospital too busy making TikTok dance videos as well?
Cause they weren’t full of Covid patients, we know that for sure.[/QUOTE]
We didn’t wanna go scared of covid haha
Even now we try to do telehealth if needed
I got a friend whose a doc in the ER and he did say they saw only a couple really terrible covid cases and he didn’t hospitalize that many.
Regardless I know people / people who know people who suffered / died from covid.
It’s real
I still support the lockdowns but they should’ve done a better job thinking of all of the above plus more and had campaigns to minimize the long term effects.
I still think if the entire world turned into India like situation it would’ve been game over for many more
[QUOTE=TryingBB;1639448663]We didn’t wanna go scared of covid haha
Even now we try to do telehealth if needed
I got a friend whose a doc in the ER and he did say they saw only a couple really terrible covid cases and he didn’t hospitalize that many.
Regardless I know people / people who know people who suffered / died from covid.
It’s real
I still support the lockdowns but they should’ve done a better job thinking of all of the above plus more and had campaigns to minimize the long term effects.
I still think if the entire world turned into India like situation it would’ve been game over for many more[/QUOTE]
Well I can’t change your opinions, but I will rep you back tomorrow, I’m all out for today.
Thanks bro
Edit-a lot of people can’t get into MISC..luckily I can..if you are able to, have a look at this thread...it’s comical, sad,& thought provoking all in one..like MISC should be..
[url]https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=179982203&page=88[/url]
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1639447033]Have you ever been to India? 90% of the people don’t have clean water..what’s going on there is a larp in regards to Covid. Also, the lockdowns killed far more people then we would have ever saved you do realize?[/QUOTE]
I have read that upwards of 350,000,000 in India have never had electricity, seems so backwoods but then the vast majority of that country is not even good enough to be classed as a 3rd world country. Starving people everywhere but damn cows walking around free because they won't eat them, screw that noise, kill the damn thing & throw some steaks on the old grill.
[QUOTE=Bando;1639441823]My wife was the director of social work in a Nursing Home through the brunt of the Pandemic. She came home crying almost every night and she's pretty tough, held the hands of dozens of dying people as they passed. Before covid they were rolling out maybe 1 bodybag every six weeks, during covid they were rolling out a dead person every day.
Yeah, maybe they were faking that for political reasons? LO fukking L.[/QUOTE]
Oh I wasn't referring to the Pandemic, I was attempting a little sarcasm, but perhaps it backfired, merely a throw away remark to Tom's post, the gentleman who first received the vaccine here in the UK was called William Shakespeare, I have every sympathy for his family, perhaps it wasn't the right time to be Whimsical.
I have so much appreciation for the kind of work your wife undertook during the past 14 months, my own Mother succumbed to the virus last January, neither myself or my sisters were allowed to be with her at the end, thankfully two members of the wonderful nursing staff were. It was heartbreaking for my family and we can never truly show our appreciation for the care shown by those who were at her side when she passed.
[QUOTE=gym62richard;1639456673]Oh I wasn't referring to the Pandemic, I was attempting a little sarcasm, but perhaps it backfired, merely a throw away remark to Tom's post, the gentleman who first received the vaccine here in the UK was called William Shakespeare, I have every sympathy for his family, perhaps it wasn't the right time to be Whimsical.
I have so much appreciation for the kind of work your wife undertook during the past 14 months, my own Mother succumbed to the virus last January, neither myself or my sisters were allowed to be with her at the end, thankfully two members of the wonderful nursing staff were. It was heartbreaking for my family and we can never truly show our appreciation for the care shown by those who were at her side when she passed.[/QUOTE]
Condolences.
[QUOTE=Corbi;1639454513]I have read that upwards of 350,000,000 in India have never had electricity, seems so backwoods but then the vast majority of that country is not even good enough to be classed as a 3rd world country. Starving people everywhere but damn cows walking around free because they won't eat them, screw that noise, kill the damn thing & throw some steaks on the old grill.[/QUOTE]
There are lots of starving people in India, although not near as many as decades ago, but there also are lots of rich people and a strong middle-class. I've had friends from India tell me they don't see any difference between India and the US. I don't get it, I've worked in India on a few occasions and it seems very different to me, but there are many millions there living the equivalent of an American middle to upper middle-class life and they don't notice the squalor any more than we notice our (much smaller) pockets of squalor.
India is a net exporter of food, there is plenty of food to go around. Eating the cows would have no impact. Those who lack food do so because of social class dynamics, not the food supply. India has a growing problem with obesity and obesity-related diseases. It's gotten worse, but even when I worked there for several months in 1983, I saw ads for weight-loss clinics. I worked there the summer of '07 and the mall by our apartment had ads for "Skinny Jeans, not for the masses", showing photos of stylish skinny people in their jeans walking past the pathetic fatties.
Meat consumption has grown in India, even among Hindus, but most still consider eating beef very offensive. Meat is mostly chicken and mutton. When I was there in '07, I met this Christian guy and he invited us to his house in the slums (his word) and was so proud to serve me and my daughter beef. It was nasty! It was likely buffalo, but I appreciate him making the special meal. My daughter is a vegetarian (she didn't eat the beef) and she loved that all the restaurants and fast food places had separate veg and non-veg sides.
India (and everywhere else obviously) was hit hard by Covid shutdowns. The police used it to just beat people in the cities. There was no work in the cities and millions of workers from the villages had to walk hundreds of miles with no food to get back to their villages.
India has come a long way. "Third World" is an outdated concept and most of India would no longer be considered "third world" anyway. Hans Rosling (see below) points out that our view of the rest of the world corresponds to what it was like when our teachers were young.
Indians are everywhere. My neighborhood in the US is significantly Indian. Traveling around the world you find them everywhere (also find Chinese). This website was likely built and maintained by Indians in the US or India. A pretty big fraction of the world's population is Indian or Chinese so you find them everywhere.
Video from Hans Rosling (btw, if you track income and life-expectancy, you see the same progress as what he shows in this video):
[youtube]lYpX4l2UeZg[/youtube]
[QUOTE=gym62richard;1639456673]my own Mother succumbed to the virus last January, neither myself or my sisters were allowed to be with her at the end, thankfully two members of the wonderful nursing staff were. It was heartbreaking for my family and we can never truly show our appreciation for the care shown by those who were at her side when she passed.[/QUOTE]
I'm so sorry.
It's a tough call. My father got Covid in December. When he got really sick, we (his kids) had to make a choice whether to have them fight it aggressively in the hospital even though they were not hopeful, which would mean we'd wouldn't be able to see him. Or to move him to a hospice where we could be with him. We chose the hospice and were able to talk and sing and pray with him and hold his hand at the end. My mother died suddenly the previous year and none of us were with her and we wanted to be with our dad. Again, it was a tough call.
[QUOTE=Corbi;1639454513]I have read that upwards of 350,000,000 in India have never had electricity, seems so backwoods but then the vast majority of that country is not even good enough to be classed as a 3rd world country. Starving people everywhere but damn cows walking around free because they won't eat them, screw that noise, kill the damn thing & throw some steaks on the old grill.[/QUOTE]
This.
When the meat shortage comes, bringing fork & knife to India.
[QUOTE=Bando;1639441823]My wife was the director of social work in a Nursing Home through the brunt of the Pandemic. She came home crying almost every night and she's pretty tough, held the hands of dozens of dying people as they passed. Before covid they were rolling out maybe 1 bodybag every six weeks, during covid they were rolling out a dead person every day.
Yeah, maybe they were faking that for political reasons? LO fukking L.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think you read a fuking word in his post.........
Nursing homes are high risk to anything, the hysteria came from shutting stuff down that didn’t need it........
You should look around at the damage this lockdown has done, the people in most cities are now insane and most cities are to point of Chaos.
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1639447853]Sure..Because of lockdowns
• People Suffering from Other Diseases
◦ 1.4 million additional tuberculosis deaths due to lockdown disruptions
◦ 500,000 additional deaths related to HIV
◦ Malaria deaths could double to 770,000 total per year
◦ 65 percent decrease in all cancer screenings
◦ Breast cancer screenings dropped 89 percent
◦ Colorectal screenings dropped 85 percent
◦ Projected increase in cancer deaths, including up to 16.6 percent increase in colorectal cancer deaths, 9.5 percent increase in breast cancer deaths, and 5.4 percent increase in lung cancer deaths over the next 5 years
◦ 75 percent decrease in suspected cancer referrals in the UK
◦ At least 1/3 of excess deaths in the U.S. are already not related to COVID-19
◦ Widespread disruption of access to health care in the UK, disproportionately for poor individuals
◦ Increase in cardiac arrests but decrease in EMS calls for them
◦ 38% decrease in heart disease-related treatments
◦ 33% drop in heart attack patients, 58% drop in stroke patients
◦ Significant increase in stress-related cardiomyopathy during lockdowns
◦ 15,000 additional non-COVID Alzheimer’s deaths (as of June – likely much higher now)
• Starvation and Food Insecurity
◦ 168k child hunger deaths predicted in Africa
◦ As many as 12,000 additional hunger deaths expected per day globally due to lockdown disruptions, up to 6,000 children
◦ World Food Programme sees an 82% increase in food insecurity
◦ 132 million additional people in sub-Saharan Africa are projected to be undernourished due to lockdown disruptions
◦ More than 50 million people living in America, including 17 million children, are likely to experience food insecurity by the end of the year
◦ UNICEF is having to feed UK children for the first time
◦ 2 million Filipino families are starving because of lockdowns, at levels “never seen before”
◦ UN warns that the famine and lockdown fallout in 2021 will be catastrophic
• Effects on Children
◦ Study estimates up to 2.3 million additional child deaths in the next year from lockdowns
◦ Lockdowns are fueling child labor, including in commercial sex exploitation, mining, and tobacco production
◦ Up to 104% increase in new HIV infections among children
◦ Millions of girls have been deprived of access to food, basic healthcare, and protection and thousands exposed to abuse and exploitation
◦ FGM increases in Africa, setting back previous widespread efforts to end FGM
◦ An estimated 13 million more child marriages
◦ Teen pregnancy up in many countries
◦ Low-income students are suffering in online classes, widening inequality
◦ School closures leading to a disproportionate increased health, social and economic divides between low and high-income families
◦ School closures in the US decreased reported child abuse by 27 percent
◦ Billions of days of lost education worldwide
◦ Decreased access to healthcare
◦ Anxiety and stress from stay-at-home orders
◦ Sharp rise in eating disorders among children
◦ Child abuse reports increased 34% in Ireland between March and December
• Domestic/Sexual Abuse
◦ Domestic violence reports have skyrocketed (another source here)
◦ Up to 70% decrease in reports of child abuse to CPS early in lockdown
◦ Male victim domestic abuse calls increased by 60% in the UK
◦ Domestic abuse becomes more severe during lockdowns
• Economy and Poverty
◦ 150 million people forced into extreme poverty
◦ 8 million Americans pushed into poverty – largest increase in US history
◦ Half of lower-income Americans report household job or wage loss due to lockdowns
◦ A year of lockdowns has destroyed a decade of progress in helping the world’s poor – particularly in children
◦ Shutdowns cause disproportionate number of evictions for Black and Latino tenants
◦ School closures are causing many detrimental second-order economic effects
◦ Lockdowns drive homelessness in NYC to record levels
◦ Over 110,000 US restaurants permanently closed
◦ Unemployment tripled among young Americans, 52% now live with their parents
◦ 2 million UK families have been pushed into poverty
◦ NYC bankruptcies are up 40% compared to a year ago (as of September)
◦ Half of European small and medium businesses say they will face bankruptcy in the next year
◦ New Zealand lockdowns pushed 70k children into poverty
◦ 90% of New Zealanders who lost their jobs were women
◦ Thousands of Aucklanders turn to food banks – there are now 29 registered food banks in Auckland; prior to COVID there were less than 5
◦ Up to 500,000 fewer births in the U.S. will create severe economic hardship for childcare and child-related services and products
• Mental health
◦ 1 in 5 U.S. adults developed mental disorder
◦ 1 in 4 young adults have seriously considered suicide
◦ Severe consequences from isolation of the elderly – increased mortality, worsening cognitive abilities, accelerating dementia, mental health consequences, failure to thrive, etc.
◦ Isolation of children significantly increases their risk of poor adult health – both mentally and physically
◦ Half of young adults showing signs of depression
◦ Half of students say their mental health has declined
◦ Suicidal ideation increased in areas under stay-at-home orders while it remained stable in areas that did not have stay-at-home orders
◦ Cases of depression and prevalence of depression symptoms have tripled in the U.S.
◦ As many as 10 million people, including 1.5 million children, are thought to need new or additional mental health support as a direct result of lockdowns in the UK
◦ 70% increase in referrals of patients with serious suicidal thoughts in Israel
• Suicides
◦ Suicide-related calls to crisis hotline in Canada increased 66 percent
◦ Suicides up in Bay Area
◦ Projected increase in suicides in Canada
◦ Suicides up sharply in Toronto
◦ Canadians in quarantine twice as likely to have suicidal thoughts
◦ Military suicides up 20%
◦ Suicides increasing among children in Dallas metro area
◦ Male suicides at highest level in two decades in England
◦ Suicides rising in Japan for the first time in over a decade
• Substance Abuse
◦ Overdoses and overdose deaths are at their highest point ever for a 12-month period in the U.S.
◦ Canada seeing record number of opioid deaths (Alberta, British Columbia, Winnipeg, Saskatchewan)
◦ More people are needing drugs to cope with anxiety and depression
◦ ******** overdoses increased 60% in Georgia since lockdown
◦ Every week of lockdowns increases binge drinking by 19%
Consider yourself “awared”[/QUOTE]Thanks for this. Excellent post. Once we starting to get scientific intel on this Chinese lab virus, we should have shifted our focus to protecting the most susceptible and reopening society to the least vulnerable. Instead, we allowed politics and media to drive fear based hysteria
[QUOTE=LWW;1639469223]I don’t think you read a fuking word in his post.........
Nursing homes are high risk to anything, the hysteria came from shutting stuff down that didn’t need it........
You should look around at the damage this lockdown has done, the people in most cities are now insane and most cities are to point of Chaos.[/QUOTE]Thank you. His reply had nothing to do with the points I made.
[QUOTE=KeepItMoving;1639470163]Thanks for this. Excellent post. Once we starting to get scientific intel on this Chinese lab virus, we should have shifted our focus to protecting the most susceptible and reopening society to the least vulnerable. Instead, we allowed politics and media to drive fear based hysteria[/QUOTE]
This.
We locked down because we have a widely obese and unhealthy population due to diet and lack of exercise and we can only reopen if we stick them with an experimental gene therapy that the FDA hasn’t even approved and which has a side effect profile worse than any vaccine that’s ever been administered.
Makes sense.
I still stand my position that we would have seen an increase in deaths regardless of Covid. I’ve said it before, death numbers SHOULD be going up at this time, with a 78 year average life expectancy and considering the world wide crash and then the huge boom in the 40's. The demographics alone would have given us higher deaths this last year with an expectation of it rising over the next three or four years based solely on the fact that those born at the height of the post-war boom (1946-1952) are now reaching the statistical probability of death.
We would see a natural jump right now if only due to this fact of demographics. If this is fraud they timed it perfectly to obfuscate this demographic reality. An excess mortality rate assumes there is excess mortality and doesn't prove it, and again, the data is put together by the same people with vested interests in proving a Covid 19 epidemic...
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1639448233]Oh, was your hospital too busy making TikTok dance videos as well?
Cause they weren’t full of Covid patients, we know that for sure.
Hell even the ship Trump brought into NY, only 77 beds were used & it was turned away after a few weeks[/QUOTE]
The NY hospital system was on the brink of collapse if hospitalizations kept increasing as they were and the ship was there as backup. The shutdown which it appears you are saying shouldn't have happened is what saved NY from from needing the ship and becoming Italy or India at it's worst.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1623478861]Just for sh!ts and giggles lets say a vaccine for covid is available early next month. Will you be rolling up your sleeve or turning the other cheek?
I won't be first in line to say jab me with a rushed vaccine, besides if all you fukers get it I shouldn't have too. Until then I will rely on social distance, my mask apparel and newly acquired hand washing skills to keep me safe.
How about you?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but after one or two months after it gets available...
[QUOTE=Gabbar99;1639464203]I'm so sorry.
It's a tough call. My father got Covid in December. When he got really sick, we (his kids) had to make a choice whether to have them fight it aggressively in the hospital even though they were not hopeful, which would mean we'd wouldn't be able to see him. Or to move him to a hospice where we could be with him. We chose the hospice and were able to talk and sing and pray with him and hold his hand at the end. My mother died suddenly the previous year and none of us were with her and we wanted to be with our dad. Again, it was a tough call.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, my mother was elderly, but was extremely well until she contracted the virus. I'm also sorry for your loss, unless you've suffered the loss of a loved one you don't really appreciate how other bereaved families are feeling. For me at least up until my mother lost her fight with covid the toll on families that had suffered a loss was merely a set of statistics, Sadly I was to be enlightened.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1639474243]The NY hospital system was on the brink of collapse if hospitalizations kept increasing as they were and the ship was there as backup. The shutdown which it appears you are saying shouldn't have happened is what saved NY from from needing the ship and becoming Italy or India at it's worst.[/QUOTE]
That is total BS. Because of the mass hysteria people were running to the hospital for no reason, which was overwhelming hospitals.
You are also forgetting my was never really locked down, you must of forgot all the damn protesting which would spread the virus as opposed to shopping for clothes.
For you to suggest the lockdown worked makes you a fool!!!!!! Had to say it, I’m so tired of the stupidity, thoughts like yours are killing society and strengthening chaos in the streets.
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1639470443]This.
We locked down because we have a widely obese and unhealthy population due to diet and lack of exercise and we can only reopen if we stick them with an experimental gene therapy that the FDA hasn’t even approved and which has a side effect profile worse than any vaccine that’s ever been administered.
Makes sense.
I still stand my position that we would have seen an increase in deaths regardless of Covid. I’ve said it before, death numbers SHOULD be going up at this time, with a 78 year average life expectancy and considering the world wide crash and then the huge boom in the 40's. The demographics alone would have given us higher deaths this last year with an expectation of it rising over the next three or four years based solely on the fact that those born at the height of the post-war boom (1946-1952) are now reaching the statistical probability of death.
We would see a natural jump right now if only due to this fact of demographics. If this is fraud they timed it perfectly to obfuscate this demographic reality. An excess mortality rate assumes there is excess mortality and doesn't prove it, and again, the data is put together by the same people with vested interests in proving a Covid 19 epidemic...[/QUOTE]
If only we could get a " fit healthy population" overnight with a pandemic with little to no warning.
Are we 1991?
Any day now Americans will get fit...........
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[QUOTE=LWW;1639476493]That is total BS. Because of the mass hysteria people were running to the hospital for no reason, which was overwhelming hospitals.
You are also forgetting my was never really locked down, you must of forgot all the damn protesting which would spread the virus as opposed to shopping for clothes.
For you to suggest the lockdown worked makes you a fool!!!!!! Had to say it, I’m so tired of the stupidity, thoughts like yours are killing society and strengthening chaos in the streets.[/QUOTE]
No.
Approach a doctor or nurse that was working tons of overtime during the height of Covid in any city which had real Covid troubles and say that to them and report back.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1639477223]No.
Approach a doctor or nurse that was working tons of overtime during the height of Covid in any city which had real Covid troubles and say that to them and report back.[/QUOTE]
you think you are smart but there was no fuking lock down really because of protesting.
In a lockdown the streets are empty, fuk u and your India BS the protesting was a super spreader not clothes shopping.
Stop defending the BS.......
[QUOTE=mgftp;1639477223]No.
Approach a doctor or nurse that was working tons of overtime during the height of Covid in any city which had real Covid troubles and say that to them and report back.[/QUOTE]
It was like these dudes were not on Earth a year ago and did not witness the same things that we did, what the actual fk!?
[QUOTE=LWW;1639477753]you think you are smart but there was no fuking lock down really because of protesting.
In a lockdown the streets are empty, fuk u and your India BS the protesting was a super spreader not clothes shopping.
Stop defending the BS.......[/QUOTE]
Shutdown?
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1639477763]It was like these dudes were not on Earth a year ago and did not witness the same things that we did, what the actual fk!?[/QUOTE]
Some people want to think the earth is flat too. Interesting world.