Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=7Seconds;1638624703]The first measles vaccine was in 1963. I don’t have any numbers to really back this up as I only spent about 30 seconds looking but a “virtually non-existent number of cases long before the vaccine” seems to be a stretch. It seems measles deaths were certainly declining due to advancements in medicine and supportive care but I didn’t see anything that showed number of cases dropping until the vaccine became available.



Aw, I do read. In fact I just finished a pretty good book about Caesar by Adrian Goldsworthy. A decent intro into the late republic, it’s pretty hard to comprehend just how much happened in that man's lifetime. Solid read.[/QUOTE]

I contracted measles in 1968, I was 6 years old, my younger sister was also infected, in my case I didn't suffer any long term effects, but the measles virus affected my sister's eyes and left her with a muscular weakness, (squint) in her left eye, she needed corrective surgery when she was a little older. In 1968 a measles vaccine was not readily available in the UK, at that time measles was a very common childhood disease over here.

I like Adrian Goldsworthy, fact based historical fiction is a favourite of mine, I've read several fact based novels and historical accounts of the life of Julius Caesar, I think Adrian Goldsworthy's book was about the best.

[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1638615283]All those diseases you mentioned were already on a vast decline to virtually non-existent long before the vaccine ever came out. Read your history.
The same is hap here..which is why they don’t test those that had the virus in the trials.

[url]https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download[/url]

Notice on page 31 that: “The study excluded participants who were immunocompromised and those who had previous clinical or microbiological diagnosis of COVID-19.” this means they didn’t trial the vaccine on people who previously tested positive for Covid-19..

Ubiquitous viruses are fought and defeated primarily by the T-Cell lymphocytes within our immune systems, Not from natural or artificially implanted antibodies.[/QUOTE]

Wow, the amount of things you managed to get wrong in a single post is staggering (and Paul, I've been on this site for a few years so it's not easy to impress me that way).

Polio related paralysis and death peaked in the US in 1952. There were over 20,000 cases of partial paralysis. My mom's cousin, so my cousin once removed, still has a limp. He was one of the lucky ones of the kids that got sick, and like the current SARS virus, only a small percentage of kids got sick. Despite that, it was terrifying back then if your child developed a fever.

I believe the vaccine Salk and his team developed was first used in 1955, or maybe that's when it became widely adopted. Either way, the number of cases of paralysis each year decreased from a peak of over 20,000 to something like 100 a year by the early 1960's due to the vaccine. It wasn't our natural ability to fight "ubiquitous" viruses, and Polio was on the rise prior to that, not declining.

In the years before we had a measles vaccine, almost all kids contracted the virus by the time they were 15 or 16 years old. Not sure how you call that a "vast decline", since the incidence of the disease essentially couldn't increase any further before a vaccine was developed.


I'm not going to give you the history of each virus, but I will point out that we don't "implant" antibodies in people, and we exclude people who have already been exposed to the virus from vaccine trials because they don't help us assess the efficacy of the vaccine since they have antibodies. They just confound the data.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1638653543][b]Wow, the amount of things you managed to get wrong in a single post is staggering[/b] (and Paul, I've been on this site for a few years so it's not easy to impress me that way).

Polio related paralysis and death peaked in the US in 1952. There were over 20,000 cases of partial paralysis. My mom's cousin, so my cousin once removed, still has a limp. He was one of the lucky ones of the kids that got sick, and like the current SARS virus, only a small percentage of kids got sick. Despite that, it was terrifying back then if your child developed a fever.

I believe the vaccine Salk and his team developed was first used in 1955, or maybe that's when it became widely adopted. Either way, the number of cases of paralysis each year decreased from a peak of over 20,000 to something like 100 a year by the early 1960's due to the vaccine. It wasn't our natural ability to fight "ubiquitous" viruses, and Polio was on the rise prior to that, not declining.

In the years before we had a measles vaccine, almost all kids contracted the virus by the time they were 15 or 16 years old. Not sure how you call that a "vast decline", since the incidence of the disease essentially couldn't increase any further before a vaccine was developed.


I'm not going to give you the history of each virus, but I will point out that we don't "implant" antibodies in people, and we exclude people who have already been exposed to the virus from vaccine trials because they don't help us assess the efficacy of the vaccine since they have antibodies. They just confound the data.[/QUOTE]

Anti-vaxxer spreading misinformation? I am shocked.

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1638626833]Kept waking up from the sore arm (much worse than first shot) and headache - should’ve taken Advil or something. Slight fatigue and lethargy. Besides that all good.

My chicks sister got her 2nd shot a day before me and she has similar symptoms as me minus the headache.

You’ll be alright imo[/QUOTE]


Doesn't sound so bad, congrats on getting needled up.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Abf6gTv.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1638653543]Wow, the amount of things you managed to get wrong in a single post is staggering (and Paul, I've been on this site for a few years so it's not easy to impress me that way).

Polio related paralysis and death peaked in the US in 1952. There were over 20,000 cases of partial paralysis. My mom's cousin, so my cousin once removed, still has a limp. He was one of the lucky ones of the kids that got sick, and like the current SARS virus, only a small percentage of kids got sick. Despite that, it was terrifying back then if your child developed a fever.

I believe the vaccine Salk and his team developed was first used in 1955, or maybe that's when it became widely adopted. Either way, the number of cases of paralysis each year decreased from a peak of over 20,000 to something like 100 a year by the early 1960's due to the vaccine. It wasn't our natural ability to fight "ubiquitous" viruses, and Polio was on the rise prior to that, not declining.

In the years before we had a measles vaccine, almost all kids contracted the virus by the time they were 15 or 16 years old. Not sure how you call that a "vast decline", since the incidence of the disease essentially couldn't increase any further before a vaccine was developed.


I'm not going to give you the history of each virus, but I will point out that we don't "implant" antibodies in people, and we exclude people who have already been exposed to the virus from vaccine trials because they don't help us assess the efficacy of the vaccine since they have antibodies. They just confound the data.[/QUOTE]

You first line is a classic!
Well played sir, well played!!!!
i believe the line baffle them with bullchit applies here! :)

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1638633453]Not sure on the covid shots, but I’d guess that it would be if your body is making an antigen which triggers essentially a natural immune response.[/QUOTE]Don't feel bad, nobody can be sure about anything. Anybody who thinks otherwise is making premature conclusions. We have years before we understand the ramifications of what is going on with this vaccine; with the need to be revaccinated; with the specific timing for revaccination; with the long term side effects of vaccination or revaccination.

If we were being honest in our use of terms, we shouldn't be comfortable calling these shots 'vaccines.' You could explain this way better than I.

[QUOTE=KeepItMoving;1638680993]Don't feel bad, nobody can be sure about anything. Anybody who thinks otherwise is making premature conclusions. We have years before we understand the ramifications of what is going on with this vaccine; with the need to be revaccinated; with the specific timing for revaccination; with the long term side effects of vaccination or revaccination.

If we were being honest in our use of terms, we shouldn't be comfortable calling these shots 'vaccines.' You could explain this way better than I.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I agree. You can’t have long-term data w/out the long term part. That said we don’t know the long term effects of having COVID either. I’m very confident in my post infection immunity, as I’ve been around a lot of covid positive cases without even a sniffle, but when I had it I had shortness of breath, some lung pain etc. Hard to say if there was any long term cardiovascular damage, I don’t have any ill effects now, but could be some damage that could manifest later in life. Just too many unknowns for any definitives. I feel strongly that anyone with significant comorbidities is much better off with the shot than the virus in terms of odds of a good/bad outcome. Younger healthy people, my feeling is do whatever makes you happy. I love the fact that masks are now supposed to protect the wearer. I have zero respect for the public health system at this point. They really should have rolled the no mask thing out with some advanced warning. It’s kind of $hit show for employers when corporate policy says gotta mask, and employees are saying Biden said I don’t need to mask. Other than the speed of a seemingly effective vaccine being developed and distributed, the entire response has been poor. If it was a plague like mortality rate there’d be a whole lotta deaths due to incompetence, more than there already are would be more accurate.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1638687733]Yeah, I agree. You can’t have long-term data w/out the long term part. That said we don’t know the long term effects of having COVID either. I’m very confident in my post infection immunity, as I’ve been around a lot of covid positive cases without even a sniffle, but when I had it I had shortness of breath, some lung pain etc. Hard to say if there was any long term cardiovascular damage, I don’t have any ill effects now, but could be some damage that could manifest later in life. Just too many unknowns for any definitives. I feel strongly that anyone with significant comorbidities is much better off with the shot than the virus in terms of odds of a good/bad outcome. Younger healthy people, my feeling is do whatever makes you happy. I love the fact that masks are now supposed to protect the wearer. I have zero respect for the public health system at this point. They could really should have rolled the no mask thing out with some advanced warning. It’s kind of $hit show for employers when corporate policy says gotta mask, and employees are saying Biden said I don’t need to mask. Other than the speed of a seemingly effective vaccine being developed and distributed, the entire response has been poor. If it was a plague like mortality rate there’d be a whole lotta deaths due to incompetence, more than there already are would be more accurate.[/QUOTE]/thread (kidding) Discussion is good, but I recognize the combination of science, applied with logic, and a balance of wisdom in your posts.

My reason for getting it is simple. I believe it's a man made virus manufactured by China. I don't think they intended on releasing it upon the world but accidents happen. Viruses tend to weaken when they become variants since they have a survival instinct. This virus doesn't seem to do that and it's killing its host more than variants tend to do. I'd rather take my chances on a vaccine than with a virus created by an evil government. Plus this vaccine didn't start from scratch. Earlier covid viruses led to research going back years.

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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1638692593][img]https://i.imgur.com/lom9jFj.jpg?1[/img][/QUOTE]

You need to end that cut and start bulking. :p

All else looks normal

[QUOTE=Narrator02;1638690803]My reason for getting it is simple. I believe it's a man made virus manufactured by China. I don't think they intended on releasing it upon the world but accidents happen. Viruses tend to weaken when they become variants since they have a survival instinct. This virus doesn't seem to do that and it's killing its host more than variants tend to do. I'd rather take my chances on a vaccine than with a virus created by an evil government. Plus this vaccine didn't start from scratch. Earlier covid viruses led to research going back years.[/QUOTE]I agree with sooo much of what you say here. I disagree with some. My one thought is you say the vaccine was 'created by an evil government.' Yet, you have a fair level of trust as to the motives and intentions of the 'vaccine' creators. I am at the lowest point in my life when it comes to trusting anything.

Saw a dude yesterday riding a crotch rocket with no helmet on.............wait for it..........................with a mask!

[QUOTE=eomrat;1638718623]Saw a dude yesterday riding a crotch rocket with no helmet on.............wait for it..........................with a mask![/QUOTE]
Had to be a Honda rider.

[QUOTE=ChazWood;1638719033]Had to be a Honda rider.[/QUOTE]

I ride red..... Come at me

[QUOTE=mgftp;1638719333]I ride red..... Come at me[/QUOTE]..Honda makes cute beginner bikes.

[QUOTE=Corbi;1638719563]..Honda makes cute beginner bikes.[/QUOTE]
Hey now. I grew up on a Honda CR125, fun bike it was.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1638719333]I ride red..... Come at me[/QUOTE]
OK, I should have clarified Honda street bikes.

Grew up with an Elsinore CR 125 that kept me away from bad influences growing up on the mean streets of Montreal. Well, a suburb, anyway and we had our share of bad eggs.

So you ride a Honda dirtbike eh, that's cool man. :D


[QUOTE=7Seconds;1638719883]Hey now. I grew up on a Honda CR125, fun bike it was.[/QUOTE]
right on, dude! :)

[QUOTE=Corbi;1638719563]..Honda makes cute beginner bikes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=7Seconds;1638719883]Hey now. I grew up on a Honda CR125, fun bike it was.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChazWood;1638721353]OK, I should have clarified Honda street bikes.

Grew up with an Elsinore CR 125 that kept me away from bad influences growing up on the mean streets of Montreal. Well, a suburb, anyway and we had our share of bad eggs.

So you ride a Honda dirtbike eh, that's cool man. :D



right on, dude! :)[/QUOTE]

I've had a Honda dirt, ATV, but a couple CBR 600s and 949 as well, and a Honda pressure washer, lol.

Honda Master Race.

I was a Kawasaki guy back in the day, 175, 750 and 900, but I did take my friends Goldwing on a 1200 mile trip and that thing was awesome. When I was in the Market for a 4 wheeler, an old trapper buddy of mine said look around at the old machines still working in the bush, they are all Honda's, buy Honda. he wasn't wrong. I have only had Honda ATV's and I drove the hell out of them, running the trap line I could easily put 70+ miles a day on them through, mud, bog, bush, places where it should have never gone. I beat the hell out of them. Never let me down. You still see old Big Reds around 35 to 40 years later.
Honda makes a quality product.

I had a Honda H100a as a youngster, was bought from a scarp yard, a total PoS.. I made some long journeys on it riding with a big backpack, it just didn't have the speed to ride uphill into wind so no motorways (freeways) so the journeys were even longer as I had to follow all the small roads!
But it was simple and easily fixable

This isn't my advert, but mine was blue and 1981 just like this... [url]https://www.boostcruising.com/bike-sales/Honda/H100/2944561-1981-Honda-H100-for-Sale.html[/url]
Total PoS, but this pic still makes me smile. Memories!!

[QUOTE=eomrat;1638718623]Saw a dude yesterday riding a crotch rocket with no helmet on.............wait for it..........................with a mask![/QUOTE]

Pollen or covid, both suck. :)

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1638635533]Maybe cuz they don’t have enough to go around? Dunno man

Which brand of vaccine are we talking about? If it’s Pfizer/moderna i wonder why they are using different durations in US and Canada.[/QUOTE]

I don't know about other regions, but I got the Pfizer one.

Here's an article about the situation: [url]https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/canada-covid-vaccines-moderna-pfizer-1.6027657[/url]

This is the second times I had an inconclusive Covid test at my job. I had to wait over an hour to get clear. These bastards think I am going to take their experimental vaccine.

Keep making it difficult for me

[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1638761473]This is the second times I had an inconclusive Covid test at my job. I had to wait over an hour to get clear. These bastards think I am going to take their experimental vaccine.

Keep making it difficult for me[/QUOTE]

How often do you get tested? is it routine or just when you have cases there?

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1638765213]How often do you get tested? is it routine or just when you have cases there?[/QUOTE]

In the beginning it was every single day, which was very annoying. Then it became every three days. Now it's once a week.

But obviously they told us if you get vaccinated you don't need to be tested

[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1638765523]In the beginning it was every single day, which was very annoying. Then it became every three days. Now it's once a week.

But obviously they told us if you get vaccinated you don't need to be tested[/QUOTE]

Jesus man! The Q tip in the snot locker that often? I haven't gotten tested yet, I gag just looking at someone getting tested. Must be old hat to you now.

[QUOTE=MinisterOfLust;1638761473]This is the second times I had an inconclusive Covid test at my job. I had to wait over an hour to get clear. These bastards think I am going to take their experimental vaccine.

Keep making it difficult for me[/QUOTE]

What kind of job? I haven't heard many employers doing regular testing like that with employees outside of LTC facilities.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1638766463]What kind of job? I haven't heard many employers doing regular testing like that with employees outside of LTC facilities.[/QUOTE]

Venues. I work at the Garden.