Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1644963373]That is assuming Big Government tells you everything, which most assuredly they do not.

Even though there is strong evidence that the anthrax vaccine given to US and UK troops has caused long term issues with veterans, and even though it has been begrudgingly admitted to have been a "potential" cause, they still will never admit it but are listing service members who received it and have certain medical conditions as eligible for VA disability claims.[/QUOTE]
Also ask the “willing participants” of the Tuskegee experiments if there was any lasting effects from a “vaccination” or lack thereof. Surely that Hippocratic oath means a lot to all “doctors”. I’m shocked minorities don’t trust a vaccine lol. Especially when it was offered to them first for “equity” right along with the elderly and incarcerated…

[img]https://i.imgur.com/o6MdeGr.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644953773]Well, not sending covid positive people from hospitals to elderly communal living care facilities would have been a good idea. I don’t think locking down our borders would have mattered honestly. It might have delayed the inevitable, that’s about it. It would have got here, it got to North Korea and they are always “locked down”. The CDC has lost a LOT of credibility in my opinion, but you are certainly free to have the opposite opinion. That’s what living in a “free country” is about. It seems we share the sentiment that if you want to see something get fuked up, put the government in charge of it rather than the “doers” from the private sector.[/QUOTE]

Any what about other countries who had better outcomes and perhaps did it better? Why go to the worst example if keeping an open mind?

Yea, through 1000 people ranting on the misc, and every conspiracy theory link I have clicked on I still haven't seen anything yet that makes me think I shouldn't trust the CDC. Again, not saying they are perfect, nobody is, especially in uncharted waters, I am sure they have made plenty of mistakes. But it comes off very much as just blinded bias, to party, conspiracy theory, anti-vax, etc. The right banging on the CDC is as idiotic as Libs banging on Trump for the drink bleach thing.. It all looks so idiotic, biased, and fueled by anger. Again, just my opinion.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1644984943]Any what about other countries who had better outcomes and perhaps did it better? Why go to the worst example if keeping an open mind?

Yea, through 1000 people ranting on the misc, and every conspiracy theory link I have clicked on I still haven't seen anything yet that makes me think I shouldn't trust the CDC. Again, not saying they are perfect, nobody is, especially in uncharted waters, I am sure they have made plenty of mistakes. But it comes off very much as just blinded bias, to party, conspiracy theory, anti-vax, etc. The right banging on the CDC is as idiotic as Libs banging on Trump for the drink bleach thing.. It all looks so idiotic, biased, and fueled by anger. Again, just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Can’t really compare countries due to differences. Israel did well, Switzerland did well but they are much smaller. Obviously places that are ruled by the strict authoritarianism will be better at lockdown compliance etc.

Right now there are a lot of studies indicating that Pfizer vaccines are far less effective than Moderna for the delta variant. Why is the CDC not putting this information out? Don’t you think that is important information for people who have not yet been vaccinated? Should probably be a consideration for “boosters” for immunocompromised and elderly in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644985243][b]Can’t really compare countries due to differences[/b]. Israel did well, Switzerland did well but they are much smaller. Obviously places that are ruled by the strict authoritarianism will be better at lockdown compliance etc. [/QUOTE]

You were super quick to use North Korea as an example because it fit your argument though. I simply threw out a if we are going to do a Monday morning qtrb thing that's one change that could have worked as it did for others. Obviously the success would be tied to numerous variables.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644985243]Right now there are a lot of studies indicating that Pfizer vaccines are far less effective than Moderna for the delta variant. Why is the CDC not putting this information out? Don’t you think that is important information for people who have not yet been vaccinated?[/QUOTE]

I mean I have seen data that any vaccine is either -99% effective to 99% effective and anything in-between. Obviously there are variables at play from the sources, data collection methods, data quality, broadness of data, sample size, etc, etc. I absolutely do not think the CDC should be "putting out" any information that is not scientifically strong. Every day there are new "studies" (lol@ calling things studies that are just essentially surveys) and look at the sentiment that can be seen ITT already, people are already upset at the CDC for changing recommendations based upon they latest information they have and that is causing "mistrust". LoL.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1644986243]You were super quick to use North Korea as an example because it fit your argument though. I simply threw out a if we are going to do a Monday morning qtrb thing that's one change that could have worked as it did for others. Obviously the success would be tied to numerous variables.



I mean I have seen data that any vaccine is either -99% effective to 99% effective and anything in-between. Obviously there are variables at play from the sources, data collection methods, data quality, broadness of data, sample size, etc, etc. I absolutely do not think the CDC should be "putting out" any information that is not scientifically strong. Every day there are new "studies" (lol@ calling things studies that are just essentially surveys) and look at the sentiment that can be seen ITT already, people are already upset at the CDC for changing recommendations based upon they latest information they have and that is causing "mistrust". LoL.[/QUOTE]

I used North Korea as an example that while strict boarder security helps, highly contagious respiratory diseases still manage to make their way into the population.

The study is posted a few pages back, and by a very pro vaccine poster. Pfizer appears to be about 42% effective in preventing infection for delta. That is when the CDC should be closely evaluating efficacy and responding intelligently. Instead they stopped tracking vaccine failures unless people end up in the hospital. That doesn’t seem like “good science” to me.

There are a lot of highly educated incredibly talented professionals in the CDC. I guarantee a lot of them are pissed off with the direction / marching orders they are given from their politically appointed Directors.

[img]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zdoVQOIYrAE/mqdefault.jpg[/img]

Undecided if he'll keep social distancing.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644986603]I used North Korea as an example that while strict boarder security helps, highly contagious respiratory diseases still manage to make their way into the population.

The study is posted a few pages back, and by a very pro vaccine poster. Pfizer appears to be about 42% effective in preventing infection for delta. That is when the CDC should be closely evaluating efficacy and responding intelligently. Instead they stopped tracking vaccine failures unless people end up in the hospital. That doesn’t seem like “good science” to me.

There are a lot of highly educated incredibly talented professionals in the CDC. I guarantee a lot of them are pissed off with the direction / marching orders they are given from their politically appointed Directors.[/QUOTE]

To me it very much came off as it it wouldn't work here because of example A. You did say "I don’t think locking down our borders would have mattered honestly. It might have delayed the inevitable, that’s about it. It would have got here, it got to North Korea and they are always “locked down”."

42% at preventing infection sounds tremendous to me. I thought it would be lower TBH. But again I don't get the point in sharing the info, or again to your sentiment why not sharing that is a horrible thing and makes them untrustworthy. They have already been clear they feel vaccines are effective.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1644993723]To me it very much came off as it it wouldn't work here because of example A. You did say "I don’t think locking down our borders would have mattered honestly. It might have delayed the inevitable, that’s about it. It would have got here, it got to North Korea and they are always “locked down”."

42% at preventing infection sounds tremendous to me. I thought it would be lower TBH. But again I don't get the point in sharing the info, or again to your sentiment why not sharing that is a horrible thing and makes them untrustworthy. They have already been clear they feel vaccines are effective.[/QUOTE]

Because Moderna appears to be twice as effective. Do you feel that is not important? Do you think it’s a good idea to not record numbers of vaccine failures? Do you realize the entire point of a vaccine is to create immunity which means preventing infection? The definition is from the CDC from before Covid, so maybe the science has changed lol. This whole “we knew they weren’t going to prevent infection just reduce the symptoms” is bull$hit. The entire vaccine push was for 90%+ efficacy (Pfizer and Moderna). Efficacy being what vaccines are intended to do, which again, is to create immunity and PREVENT infection.

I am amazed by the loss of critical thinking and objectivity. I don’t care what you believe, and I’m not trying to sway your opinion. It’s scary how easily the masses are manipulated. It would be fascinating if it wasn’t likely to lead to the demise of our country. Do you believe that BLM riots helped to reduce covid infections? Pretty sure the CDC made that claim so it must be true, right?

Meanwhile
US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy says though people can gain some immunity protection after contracting Covid-19, it's "not nearly as strong" as the vaccine. Murthy says the population needs as much protection as possible against the more dangerous Delta variant.

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/surgeon-general-reacts-to-anti-vaxxers-claim-about-natural-immunity/vi-AANltGb?ocid=hplocalnews[/url]

Lol I’d love to see some studies supporting this nonsense.

It is pretty well established that post infection immunity is superior.

The delta variant is not “more dangerous” and this contradicts statements previously made by the CDC, NIH, and the fuking Surgeon General himself. This is insanity, and gullible people just keep getting force fed inaccurate advice.

Dr. Anthony Fauci has dismissed a study that deemed the Moderna vaccine as more effective than the Pfizer one against the COVID-19 delta variant.

The Mayo Clinic and Cambridge-based biotech company nfrence conducted the study, posted in medrvix last week, by analyzing samples of delta variant prevalence in Minnesota from January to July.

When asked if this indicated that individuals should seek a Moderna dose for the booster shot, Fauci disagreed.

"That study … is a pre-print study, it hasn’t been fully peer-reviewed," Fauci said on CBS's "Face the Nation." "I don’t doubt what they’re seeing, but there are a lot of confounding variables in there, about when one was started, the relative amount of people in that cohort who were delta vs alpha – right now, if we get boosters … it’s clear we want to make sure we get people, if possible, to get the boost from the original vaccine."

Fauci once again stressed that he hopes full authorization occurs soon, which will help bolster vaccination efforts.

Centers for Disease Control Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky on Friday approved booster shots for moderate-to-severe immunocompromised individuals, which would utilize either a Pfizer or Moderna dose.

A panel of independent experts determined that the booster shots were a necessary step. Patients eligible for booster shots under the recommendation and amended emergency approval include those with moderate to severe immune system compromise, such as solid organ transplant recipients, patients with advanced or untreated HIV infection, and those taking high-dose corticosteroids and treatments for cancer, among others.


When asked about plans for how to determine new groups to authorize for booster shots, Fauci advised that the government will continue to monitor data on a "daily and weekly basis" to determine if, when, and to whom they will distribute booster shots.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644994543]Because Moderna appears to be twice as effective. Do you feel that is not important? Do you think it’s a good idea to not record numbers of vaccine failures? Do you realize the entire point of a vaccine is to create immunity which means preventing infection? The definition is from the CDC from before Covid, so maybe the science has changed lol. This whole “we knew they weren’t going to prevent infection just reduce the symptoms” is bull$hit. The entire vaccine push was for 90%+ efficacy (Pfizer and Moderna). Efficacy being what vaccines are intended to do, which again, is to create immunity and PREVENT infection.

I am amazed by the loss of critical thinking and objectivity. I don’t care what you believe, and I’m not trying to sway your opinion. It’s scary how easily the masses are manipulated. It would be fascinating if it wasn’t likely to lead to the demise of our country. Do you believe that BLM riots helped to reduce covid infections? Pretty sure the CDC made that claim so it must be true, right?

Meanwhile
US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy says though people can gain some immunity protection after contracting Covid-19, it's "not nearly as strong" as the vaccine. Murthy says the population needs as much protection as possible against the more dangerous Delta variant.

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/surgeon-general-reacts-to-anti-vaxxers-claim-about-natural-immunity/vi-AANltGb?ocid=hplocalnews[/url]

Lol I’d love to see some studies supporting this nonsense.

It is pretty well established that post infection immunity is superior.

The delta variant is not “more dangerous” and this contradicts statements previously made by the CDC, NIH, and the fuking Surgeon General himself. This is insanity, and gullible people just keep getting force fed inaccurate advice.[/QUOTE]

Post a link to this "study" that you speak of so I can respond from a more informed space.

To answer your barrage of defensive rapid fire questions. Did the vaccine trials Covid test everyone regularly or just Covid test enrollees when symptomatic?

And I don't have any desire to go into BLM, LoL. Maybe you can get someone else to take you up on that.


[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644997493]Dr. Anthony Fauci has dismissed a study that deemed the Moderna vaccine as more effective than the Pfizer one against the COVID-19 delta variant.

The Mayo Clinic and Cambridge-based biotech company nfrence conducted the study, posted in medrvix last week, by analyzing samples of delta variant prevalence in Minnesota from January to July.

When asked if this indicated that individuals should seek a Moderna dose for the booster shot, Fauci disagreed.

"That study … is a pre-print study, it hasn’t been fully peer-reviewed," Fauci said on CBS's "Face the Nation." "I don’t doubt what they’re seeing, but there are a lot of confounding variables in there, about when one was started, the relative amount of people in that cohort who were delta vs alpha – right now, if we get boosters … it’s clear we want to make sure we get people, if possible, to get the boost from the original vaccine."

Fauci once again stressed that he hopes full authorization occurs soon, which will help bolster vaccination efforts.

Centers for Disease Control Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky on Friday approved booster shots for moderate-to-severe immunocompromised individuals, which would utilize either a Pfizer or Moderna dose.

A panel of independent experts determined that the booster shots were a necessary step. Patients eligible for booster shots under the recommendation and amended emergency approval include those with moderate to severe immune system compromise, such as solid organ transplant recipients, patients with advanced or untreated HIV infection, and those taking high-dose corticosteroids and treatments for cancer, among others.


When asked about plans for how to determine new groups to authorize for booster shots, Fauci advised that the government will continue to monitor data on a "daily and weekly basis" to determine if, when, and to whom they will distribute booster shots.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, this saved me some time for sure, although I'll have to find other means of procrastination at my desk tomorrow. lol.

But yes this is absolutely information the CDC should act on immediately (sarcasm).

[img]https://i.imgur.com/HG0tWm5.jpg[/img]

Late to the thread but no.

"When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind"
-C.S. Lewis

[QUOTE=LWW;1645021403]"When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind"
-C.S. Lewis[/QUOTE]

Yep while the world rushes like sheep to the slaughter me I just continue Un vaxxed Un masked Un Un Un Just moving forward toward my goals without a worry.... Jeesh bro I think your the only one in this forum with any sense... My Covid solution Squat heavy, Puke Squat some more then Relax. See thats Flushing toxins including the flu bu out of your system and improving and strengthening the immune system Seems Reasonable lol

[QUOTE=charlievanriper;1645024263] My Covid solution Squat heavy, Puke Squat some more then Relax. See thats Flushing toxins including the flu bu out of your system and improving and strengthening the immune system Seems Reasonable lol[/QUOTE]

Very good logic that is sadly lost today!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/V9hoeqb.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/6EACxpH.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1645007123][img]https://i.imgur.com/HG0tWm5.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

[url]www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9898003/Outspoken-COVID-vaccine-critic-Cardinal-Burke-ventilator-catching-coronavirus.html[/url]


Anti-masker Cardinal who decried COVID vaccines and said they would lead to microchips in people's bodies is on a ventilator after catching the virus in Michigan
Raymond L. Burke, 73, has criticized the safety and rollout of COVID vaccines
The cardinal is on a ventilator in Wisconsin, where he caught the virus
He was often seen walking mask-less, with rosary beads, in Rome
In May, he decried 'totalitarian' vaccine mandates and said they could lead to 'microchips' so that people can be 'controlled by the State'
He has not said if he's been vaccinated
In a tweet over the weekend, his team urged people to 'pray the Rosary for him'

jzus these guys....

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/a-southwest-airlines-flight-attendant-died-from-covid-19-less-than-2-months-after-testing-positive-following-a-trip-to-hawaii-reports-say/ar-AANjD7f?ocid=uxbndlbing[/url]
Fully vaccinated 36 Yo dies of COVID

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/illinois-senate-president-don-harmon-contracts-breakthrough-case-of-covid-19-says-symptoms-are-mild/ar-AANnXla?ocid=hplocalnews[/url]
Local fully vaxxed politician has breakthrough covid case -doesn't count yet though unless he ends up hospitalized or dead...

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1645058993][url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/a-southwest-airlines-flight-attendant-died-from-covid-19-less-than-2-months-after-testing-positive-following-a-trip-to-hawaii-reports-say/ar-AANjD7f?ocid=uxbndlbing[/url]
Fully vaccinated 36 Yo dies of COVID

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/illinois-senate-president-don-harmon-contracts-breakthrough-case-of-covid-19-says-symptoms-are-mild/ar-AANnXla?ocid=hplocalnews[/url]
Local fully vaxxed politician has breakthrough covid case -doesn't count yet though unless he ends up hospitalized or dead...[/QUOTE]

Yeah i read that one a few days ago about the SWA flight attendant, and wondered if through his job he contacted Lambda or some other variant with international travel.
Glad the politician is ok, this chit is so random.

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1645076223]Yeah i read that one a few days ago about the SWA flight attendant, and wondered if through his job he contacted Lambda or some other variant with international travel.
Glad the politician is ok, this chit is so random.[/QUOTE]

Yep, vaccinated or not its a random outcome. The symptoms also vary wildly in the similar demographics. Overall, it is a low mortality rate disease for lower risk populations, and the odds are much better for vaccinated people, but in the end it’s just going to be what it’s going to be.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Yq650Ou.jpg[/img]

So met another acquaintance today at a store after a while. Young 38 yr old healthy girl - perfect weight for her height prolly.

Anyhow, she said dunno how the covid vs vaccine stats are being thrown around. She got covid and it sucked Ballz for her but she pulled through ok. She got pneumonia after covid also. Inflamed lungs and heart - felt like someone was pushing on her upper chest she said.

Anyhow getting back to the point, she said she went to the doc three times during her recovery and not once was she asked if she’s vaccinated.

So she was wondering how they hell they’re coming up with the numbers that they are…

I don’t give two fuks about it - just throwing this out there :)

Edit: no, she wasn’t vaccinated

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1645104723]So met another acquaintance today at a store after a while. Young 38 yr old healthy girl - perfect weight for her height prolly.

Anyhow, she said dunno how the covid vs vaccine stats are being thrown around. She got covid and it sucked Ballz for her but she pulled through ok. She got pneumonia after covid also. Inflamed lungs and heart - felt like someone was pushing on her upper chest she said.

Anyhow getting back to the point, she said she went to the doc three times during her recovery and not once was she asked if she’s vaccinated.

So she was wondering how they hell they’re coming up with the numbers that they are…

I don’t give two fuks about it - just throwing this out there :)[/QUOTE]

Was she vaccinated? I'm not surprised they don't ask about vaccination status. That could result in "anti-science" data.

The important thing is BOOSTERS FOR ALL!!! Remember, if you don't get your booster(s) you are an antivaxxer.

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-administration-expected-to-recommend-covid-booster-shots-for-all-americans-amid-case-surge/ar-AANoTHN?ocid=hplocalnews&li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1645114943]Was she vaccinated? I'm not surprised they don't ask about vaccination status. That could result in "anti-science" data.

The important thing is BOOSTERS FOR ALL!!! Remember, if you don't get your booster(s) you are an antivaxxer.

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-administration-expected-to-recommend-covid-booster-shots-for-all-americans-amid-case-surge/ar-AANoTHN?ocid=hplocalnews&li=BBnb7Kz[/url][/QUOTE]

No she wasn’t.

And yea I saw that yesterday - apprently they’re gonna announce everyone needs boosters 8 months after the last shot. We’ll see…a day at a time. So tired of this chit! But also realize this is a new developing situation so dunno really what to say.

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1645115093]No she wasn’t.

And yea I saw that yesterday - apprently they’re gonna announce everyone needs boosters 8 months after the last shot. We’ll see…a day at a time. So tired of this chit! But also realize this is a new developing situation so dunno really what to say.[/QUOTE]

I'd say they should start collecting data on breakthrough cases in vaccinated people so they can make informed decisions on the efficacy of the vaccine options, especially since they based this decision on data that Fauci just rebuked on TV (ironic). I'm not sure if it's time since vaccination as much as delta variant differences, from the data available, it looks like the Moderna and J&J are providing more robust protection than Pfizer. The former head of the FDA who permits the vaccine on an emergency use basis, Dr. Gottlieb(sp?) is on the board of directors for Pfizer. He will likely slide back into a Director role at the FDA before too long, that's just how these things work. He has been pretty honest and accurate though in his assessments, which I respect.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1645115303]I'd say they should start collecting data on breakthrough cases in vaccinated people so they can make informed decisions on the efficacy of the vaccine options, especially since they based this decision on data that Fauci just rebuked on TV (ironic). I'm not sure if it's time since vaccination as much as delta variant differences, from the data available, it looks like the Moderna and J&J are providing more robust protection than Pfizer. The former head of the FDA who permits the vaccine on an emergency use basis, Dr. Gottlieb(sp?) is on the board of directors for Pfizer. He will likely slide back into a Director role at the FDA before too long, that's just how these things work. He has been pretty honest and accurate though in his assessments, which I respect.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like Novavax is the most robust against new variants. Still doing my research.

Since no one trusts anyone's data this is just a FYI, do with it what you want.

"Though breakthrough COVID-19 cases have much lower hospitalization and mortality rates than infections among the unvaccinated, the Delta variant has led to more cases than anticipated. In late July, a *****leaked document from the CDC revealed there were around 35,000 symptomatic COVID infections per week among the fully vaccinated ********(though the agency has not yet confirmed that data)."

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1645125183]Since no one trusts anyone's data this is just a FYI, do with it what you want.

"Though breakthrough COVID-19 cases have much lower hospitalization and mortality rates than infections among the unvaccinated, the Delta variant has led to more cases than anticipated. In late July, a *****leaked document from the CDC revealed there were around 35,000 symptomatic COVID infections per week among the fully vaccinated ********(though the agency has not yet confirmed that data)."[/QUOTE]

I'd believe both accounts, do you have a link? They stopped tracking "breakthrough" cases that do not result in death or hospitalization in May IIRC Keep in mind the risk of hospitalization is low overall, but significantly higher in elderly/immunocompromised. The vaccines do seem to reduce the risk of sever disease in higher risk groups, but some are appearing to be more effective than others, specifically Moderna and J&J in the US, which are also used far less than Pfizer. If we were going to "trust the science" a good place to start would be for the CDC, FDA to be forthcoming with information pertinent to that end. Many people who are fully vaccinated are continuing to drive infections because they have completely abandoned critical thinking (as evident ITT.) In fact, there were reports of vaccinated but symptomatic people attending Lollapalooza because "they were vaccinated, so they couldn't be sick from covid".

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1645127993]I'd believe both accounts, do you have a link? They stopped tracking "breakthrough" cases that do not result in death or hospitalization in May IIRC Keep in mind the risk of hospitalization is low overall, but significantly higher in elderly/immunocompromised. The vaccines do seem to reduce the risk of sever disease in higher risk groups, but some are appearing to be more effective than others, specifically Moderna and J&J in the US, which are also used far less than Pfizer. If we were going to "trust the science" a good place to start would be for the CDC, FDA to be forthcoming with information pertinent to that end. Many people who are fully vaccinated are continuing to drive infections because they have completely abandoned critical thinking (as evident ITT.) In fact, there were reports of vaccinated but symptomatic people attending Lollapalooza because "they were vaccinated, so they couldn't be sick from covid".[/QUOTE]

I will look for the leaked pages later today.

Stop the video at 49 sec, i don't like that map at all.

[url]https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/covid-19-daily-video[/url]

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1645133843]I will look for the leaked pages later today.

Stop the video at 49 sec, i don't like that map at all.

[url]https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/covid-19-daily-video[/url][/QUOTE]

Pretty good quick comparative analysis. Chicagoland was a big orange blob, only second to S. CA :eek: The vaccination rate for the state of IL is high (52%) because the Chicagoland region is highly vaccinated. Like 70% of eligible adults or something like that.

Luckily no mask mandates here for the gym (yet), only "strongly recommended". I continue to carryon, wear my mask when required, but otherwise just living life like every second is precious.

President Joe Biden's administration confirmed late on Tuesday it plans to extend requirements for travelers to wear masks on airplanes, trains and buses and at airports and train stations through Jan. 18 to address ongoing COVID-19 risks.

An Alabama doctor watched patients reject coronavirus vaccine; now he’s refusing to treat them



In Alabama, where the nation’s lowest vaccination rate has helped push the state closer to a record number of hospitalizations, a physician has sent a clear message to his patients: Don’t come in for medical treatment if you are unvaccinated.

Jason Valentine, a physician at Diagnostic and Medical Clinic Infirmary Health in Mobile, Ala., posted a photo on ******** this week of him pointing to a sign taped to a door informing patients of his new policy coming Oct. 1.

Hello everyone, I will definitely be vaccinated with the Modern vaccine, in a week, I hope everything will go smoothly. In our city, they promise not to let unvaccinated people anywhere, neither in a cafe nor in a restaurant, not to work. Therefore, while there is an opportunity to get vaccinated, I will do it.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1645257403]An Alabama doctor watched patients reject coronavirus vaccine; now he’s refusing to treat them



In Alabama, where the nation’s lowest vaccination rate has helped push the state closer to a record number of hospitalizations, a physician has sent a clear message to his patients: Don’t come in for medical treatment if you are unvaccinated.

Jason Valentine, a physician at Diagnostic and Medical Clinic Infirmary Health in Mobile, Ala., posted a photo on ******** this week of him pointing to a sign taped to a door informing patients of his new policy coming Oct. 1.[/QUOTE]

Don’t they take an oath to treat those in need?

But then docs should have freedom to choose just like anti vaxxers and all of us also do. No?

Having to provide vaccination proof more and more these days to organizations my company contracts with. One vendor even says no exemptions. RIP unvaxxedcels.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1645258273]Having to provide vaccination proof more and more these days to organizations my company contracts with. One vendor even says no exemptions. RIP unvaxxedcels.[/QUOTE]
You should get a really cool trapper keeper to organize all of your papers. Want to make sure you can find all the boosters in the correct order.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1645260913]You should get a really cool trapper keeper to organize all of your papers. Want to make sure you can find all the boosters in the correct order.[/QUOTE]

Mine is on my phone. Easy peazy.

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1645267083]Mine is on my phone. Easy peazy.[/QUOTE]

NY Master Race

[QUOTE=charlievanriper;1645024263]Yep while the world rushes like sheep to the slaughter me I just continue Un vaxxed Un masked Un Un Un Just moving forward toward my goals without a worry.... Jeesh bro I think your the only one in this forum with any sense... My Covid solution Squat heavy, Puke Squat some more then Relax. See thats Flushing toxins including the flu bu out of your system and improving and strengthening the immune system Seems Reasonable lol[/QUOTE]

I assure you LWW is NOT the only one on this forum with any sense.

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1645257573]Don’t they take an oath to treat those in need?

But then docs should have freedom to choose just like anti vaxxers and all of us also do. No?[/QUOTE]


This was my first though as well

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1645267083]Mine is on my phone. Easy peazy.[/QUOTE]

This is what most people are suggesting so that the card doesn't get ruined.

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1645269613]This is what most people are suggesting so that the card doesn't get ruined.[/QUOTE]

NY has an app.

[QUOTE=charlievanriper;1645024263]Yep while the world rushes like sheep to the slaughter me I just continue Un vaxxed Un masked Un Un Un Just moving forward toward my goals without a worry.... Jeesh bro I think your the only one in this forum with any sense... My Covid solution Squat heavy, Puke Squat some more then Relax. See thats Flushing toxins including the flu bu out of your system and improving and strengthening the immune system Seems Reasonable lol[/QUOTE]


I guess you haven't heard, your lil buddy LWW has joined the flock of sheep. Yep he is part of the vaccinated community. Rolled up his sleeve and got 2 jabs.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1645092343][img]https://i.imgur.com/Yq650Ou.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]


LMAO, I missed this one earlier

[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1645268283]I assure you LWW is NOT the only one on this forum without any common sense.[/QUOTE] Fixed. :)

[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1645268283]I assure you LWW is NOT the only one on this forum with any sense.[/QUOTE]

You're too smart to align with these two fools.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1645257403]An Alabama doctor watched patients reject coronavirus vaccine; now he’s refusing to treat them



In Alabama, where the nation’s lowest vaccination rate has helped push the state closer to a record number of hospitalizations, a physician has sent a clear message to his patients: Don’t come in for medical treatment if you are unvaccinated.

Jason Valentine, a physician at Diagnostic and Medical Clinic Infirmary Health in Mobile, Ala., posted a photo on ******** this week of him pointing to a sign taped to a door informing patients of his new policy coming Oct. 1.[/QUOTE]

And yet the same doctor would treat murderers and child molesters. Makes you think.

Patient reportedly removed from transplant wait list for refusing vaccine.

[url]https://mynorthwest.com/3094868/rantz-uw-medicine-transplant-covid-vaccine/[/url]

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1645257403]An Alabama doctor watched patients reject coronavirus vaccine; now he’s refusing to treat them



In Alabama, where the nation’s lowest vaccination rate has helped push the state closer to a record number of hospitalizations, a physician has sent a clear message to his patients: Don’t come in for medical treatment if you are unvaccinated.

Jason Valentine, a physician at Diagnostic and Medical Clinic Infirmary Health in Mobile, Ala., posted a photo on ******** this week of him pointing to a sign taped to a door informing patients of his new policy coming Oct. 1.[/QUOTE]

From the WaPo article

[quote]"We do not yet have any great treatments for severe disease, but we do have great prevention with vaccines. Unfortunately, many have declined to take the vaccine, and some end up severely ill or dead. I cannot and will not force anyone to take the vaccine, but I also cannot continue to watch my patients suffer and die from an eminently preventable disease," the letter says. "Therefore, as of October 1st, 2021, I will no longer see patients that have not been vaccinated against COVID-19. If you wish to keep me as your physician, documentation of your vaccination will suffice. If you wish to choose another physician, we will be happy to transfer your records."[/quote]

Seems like a logical, common sense explanation regarding his decision. He is a family doctor and treats all ages, I imagine it is fairly common practice for pediatricians and family doctors to not accept patients and families that don't vaccinate. It would make sense... Last thing you want is whooping cough or some preventable disease ripping through your office because Karen’s holistic baby treatment regiment and crystal imbued moonwater bathes didn't keep Timmy from becoming a little plague bomb.