[QUOTE=vadsie;1650623603]Hi folks! I’m getting my booster shot today. I hope I don’t have sides like last time. Have a good day![/QUOTE]
If it is the same company the pharmacist cautioned that the reaction will be the same, good luck!
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[QUOTE=vadsie;1650623603]Hi folks! I’m getting my booster shot today. I hope I don’t have sides like last time. Have a good day![/QUOTE]
If it is the same company the pharmacist cautioned that the reaction will be the same, good luck!
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1650623863]If it is the same company the pharmacist cautioned that the reaction will be the same, good luck![/QUOTE]
Tnx! I had a mild fever after my 2nd shot
[QUOTE=vadsie;1650623603]Hi folks! I’m getting my booster shot today. I hope I don’t have sides like last time. Have a good day![/QUOTE]
Got mine yesterday (Moderna) and my first was J&J. Been over 24hr and no issues except my arm is sore as hell.
Good luck.
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1650624483]Got mine yesterday (Moderna) and my first was J&J. Been over 24hr and no issues except my arm is sore as hell.
Good luck.[/QUOTE]
Tnx! If a sore arm is all I get I’ll be happy lol
[QUOTE=vadsie;1650623603]Hi folks! I’m getting my booster shot today. I hope I don’t have sides like last time. Have a good day![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=vadsie;1650624023]Tnx! I had a mild fever after my 2nd shot[/QUOTE]
Good luck. Keep us posted. Haven't heard many people complain about the boosters.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1650624853]Good luck. Keep us posted. Haven't heard many people complain about the boosters.[/QUOTE]
Thank you sir! I shall post after I get it
I’m just waiting in the waiting room, I just got my booster and I feel fine so far 😊
[QUOTE=vadsie;1650632243]I’m just waiting in the waiting room, I just got my booster and I feel fine so far [/QUOTE]
Quick, before the nanites lose power, what will the winning lottery numbers be for Saturday's powerball ;)
Hope you keep feeling well :)
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1650633393]Quick, before the nanites lose power, what will the winning lottery numbers be for Saturday's powerball ;)
Hope you keep feeling well :)[/QUOTE]
Haha, Tnx! there’s blizzard conditions out side here in Manitoba
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Remembrance Day in Canada.
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The sore arm thing is strange to me, perhaps my 2 national guard folks/nurses were experts at giving pain free shots.
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[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1650693683]The sore arm thing is strange to me, perhaps my 2 national guard folks/nurses were experts at giving pain free shots.[/QUOTE]
That’s not uncommon. When’s the last time you had a tetanus booster? They are 10 year intervals but usually leave you with a sore arm for several days. They work though, so there’s that :p
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1650700093]That’s not uncommon. When’s the last time you had a tetanus booster? They are 10 year intervals but usually leave you with a sore arm for several days. They work though, so there’s that :p[/QUOTE]
Long overdue for tetanus, i cant even remeber
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1650693683]The sore arm thing is strange to me, perhaps my 2 national guard folks/nurses were experts at giving pain free shots.[/QUOTE]
Why is your arm sore, did you get a booster?
Heard the CDC changed the definition of a vaccine? Since these don't work.
[QUOTE=_zman;1650710513]Heard the CDC changed the definition of a vaccine? Since these don't work.[/QUOTE]
Yes the CDC changed the definition of a vaccine. Webster’s dictionary did too. New science is different than actual science. Actual science is no longer acceptable.
had covid 3 times already.
not going to get vaccinated:)
[QUOTE=merlen90;1650722263]had covid 3 times already.
not going to get vaccinated:)[/QUOTE]
No you didn’t.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1650722703]No you didn’t.[/QUOTE]
Im not kidding
This thread in bonkers lol
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1650704503]Why is your arm sore, did you get a booster?[/QUOTE]
No, my point was that the 2 Pfizers left me with hardly any arm soreness; the pharmacist speculated that it had to do with more deltoid mass, but who really knows why.
I dont want to turn this into a political thread but, didn't we all kind of know this while watching the daily briefings?
The experts facial expressions, the body language, and just observations in general.
[url]www.politico.com/news/2021/11/12/trump-cdc-covid-521128[/url]
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I have not gotten vaccinated. I've had horrible experiences with forced vaccinations in the past as both a recipient and as an administering health care professional. Though after the massive human trial I've witnessed over past year I may be inclined to receive it. I just didn't want to be part of that trial.
My other half has just received it after her employer complied with the soon to be defunct national mandate. She is an R&D Researcher for big pharma that does validation testing on vaccines. She had/has her concerns as well.
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[QUOTE=acrawlingchaos;1650885833]I have not gotten vaccinated. I've had horrible experiences with forced vaccinations in the past as both a recipient and as an administering health care professional. Though after the massive human trial I've witnessed over past year I may be inclined to receive it. I just didn't want to be part of that trial.
My other half has just received it after her employer complied with the soon to be defunct national mandate. She is an R&D Researcher for big pharma that does validation testing on vaccines. She had/has her concerns as well.[/QUOTE]
Horrible experiences like what?
Plz do share.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1650902353]Horrible experiences like what?
Plz do share.[/QUOTE]Hey Ben, sure thing.
In 1998, I was stationed in Ft. Drum NY as a line medic in a light infantry battalion during the anthrax scare. This was back when it was believed Saddam Hussein was using anthrax as a bioweapon and it was being sent through the mail. The U.S. Army retained the company BioPort to produce a vaccine; BioThrax and began administering the product to soldiers slated for deployment to Iraq almost 17 years before it obtained it's blessing from the FDA (which occurred only after formula changes and further testing in 2015). They had large amount of batches that contained squalene. It was an experimental adjuvant not approved for use and was eventually deemed the culprit.
As a battalion line medic, we began force administration of the vaccine to all personnel. I witnessed nearly every single soldier experience symptoms, from the mild to the severe. Acute symptoms I witnessed included, varying levels of swelling at the site to include allergic type reactions, mobility issues, dizziness, swelling of the throat and face and extensive fatigue. Many of the administered medics voiced concern and one of my fellow medics was removed from duty for failure to comply.
I later found out that the original anthrax vaccine was responsible for cases of multiple sclerosis, Lupus, blindness, neurological conditions and is now being linked to being the cause of Gulf War Syndrome. It was found nearly 85% of soldiers reported some level of side effects. I still harbor guilt over my involvement.
If people want to get the vaccine; I think they should (albeit with caution) and if they have reservations (for whatever reason), than I think that is fine too. However, I whole heartedly believe that anyone that supports a mandate needs to seriously consider realigning their moral compass.
[QUOTE=acrawlingchaos;1650930373]Hey Ben, sure thing.
In 1998, I was stationed in Ft. Drum NY as a line medic in a light infantry battalion during the anthrax scare. This was back when it was believed Saddam Hussein was using anthrax as a bioweapon and it was being sent through the mail. The U.S. Army retained the company BioPort to produce a vaccine; BioThrax and began administering the product to soldiers slated for deployment to Iraq almost 17 years before it obtained it's blessing from the FDA (which occurred only after formula changes and further testing in 2015). They had large amount of batches that contained squalene. It was an experimental adjuvant not approved for use and was eventually deemed the culprit.
As a battalion line medic, we began force administration of the vaccine to all personnel. I witnessed nearly every single soldier experience symptoms, from the mild to the severe. Acute symptoms I witnessed included, varying levels of swelling at the site to include allergic type reactions, mobility issues, dizziness, swelling of the throat and face and extensive fatigue. Many of the administered medics voiced concern and one of my fellow medics was removed from duty for failure to comply.
I later found out that the original anthrax vaccine was responsible for cases of multiple sclerosis, Lupus, blindness, neurological conditions and is now being linked to being the cause of Gulf War Syndrome. It was found nearly 85% of soldiers reported some level of side effects. I still harbor guilt over my involvement.
If people want to get the vaccine; I think they should (albeit with caution) and if they have reservations (for whatever reason), than I think that is fine too. However, I whole heartedly believe that anyone that supports a mandate needs to seriously consider realigning their moral compass.[/QUOTE]
So sad, thanks for sharing though.
Got my booster yesterday and went to the gym and benched 315x2. My shoulder felt like hell and a minor headache the next day but that's it.
My first two shots were Moderna, got the Pfizer booster.
[QUOTE=acrawlingchaos;1650930373]Hey Ben, sure thing.
In 1998, I was stationed in Ft. Drum NY as a line medic in a light infantry battalion during the anthrax scare. This was back when it was believed Saddam Hussein was using anthrax as a bioweapon and it was being sent through the mail. The U.S. Army retained the company BioPort to produce a vaccine; BioThrax and began administering the product to soldiers slated for deployment to Iraq almost 17 years before it obtained it's blessing from the FDA (which occurred only after formula changes and further testing in 2015). They had large amount of batches that contained squalene. It was an experimental adjuvant not approved for use and was eventually deemed the culprit.
As a battalion line medic, we began force administration of the vaccine to all personnel. I witnessed nearly every single soldier experience symptoms, from the mild to the severe. Acute symptoms I witnessed included, varying levels of swelling at the site to include allergic type reactions, mobility issues, dizziness, swelling of the throat and face and extensive fatigue. Many of the administered medics voiced concern and one of my fellow medics was removed from duty for failure to comply.
I later found out that the original anthrax vaccine was responsible for cases of multiple sclerosis, Lupus, blindness, neurological conditions and is now being linked to being the cause of Gulf War Syndrome. It was found nearly 85% of soldiers reported some level of side effects. I still harbor guilt over my involvement.
If people want to get the vaccine; I think they should (albeit with caution) and if they have reservations (for whatever reason), than I think that is fine too. However, I whole heartedly believe that anyone that supports a mandate needs to seriously consider realigning their moral compass.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the information, it is very helpful instead of just fear and skepticism like a majority of the posts on the site.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1651037083]Thanks for the information, it is very helpful instead of just fear and skepticism like a majority of the posts on the site.[/QUOTE]No problem. I don't think fear and skepticism is a bad thing. There are a lot of people that seem to want to make this a political divide, but it goes beyond that. There are large numbers of Unionized democrats on the left that have historically been critical of their employers forcing them to do anything (including even work), and large numbers of ethic and religious minorities that have been persecuted by governments and are righteously suspicious, fearful and highly skeptical. Veterans, (regardless of affiliation) have every reason to be distrustful of the government. etc, etc.
It's not just cartoonish redneck Trumptards whose fear and skepticism of the government are (for whatever reason) never warranted.
At the end of the day, I don't trust the government about a lot of little things and quite a few big things. That's what this comes down to. You're trust for our government (for whatever reason) is just greater than mine.
[QUOTE=acrawlingchaos;1650930373] If people want to get the vaccine; I think they should (albeit with caution) and if they have reservations (for whatever reason), than I think that is fine too. However, I whole heartedly believe that anyone that supports a mandate needs to seriously consider realigning their moral compass.[/QUOTE]
Howdy ACC....
I've had the (2) shots.....no issues and I wasn't concerned at all.
[B]No[/B]...I certainly would not endorse/support a mandate.
People are going to do what they want and the cards will fall where they may.
But....I'll throw this out.
My good friend of 45 years and business owner has a daughter (just shy of 30) who is very bright and in the medical field going to college in New York.
She's been there about 5 years or so as she continues on the medical field treadmill pursuing the ''research' path.
Her duties at this time are performing autopsies.
I just spoke with Bob a few days ago and she tells him, and I quote...."97% of Covid deaths were the unvaccinated."....hmmm.
So....if the above is accurate or even very close the thought that comes to my pea brain:
What is the exact percentage of normally (for lack of better words) healthy people that actually had truly adverse, debilitating reactions?
And....if that percentage is very small (say, 5%-7%) is it good logic deciding NOT get vaccinated using such a small sample?
Me...I don't know what to believe anymore nor do I pretend to know any more that anyone else here.
Nor do I don't keep up with all the angst or politics of it all....I'll let the rest of you take that baton. :)
I would never presume to tell anyone what they should, or shouldn't do,
I mind my own business, to each their own decisions and consequences.
But....I've been wrong in the past.
On that note....do carry on.
[QUOTE=Wayne Evans;1651046023]Howdy ACC....
I've had the (2) shots.....no issues and I wasn't concerned at all.
[B]No[/B]...I certainly would not endorse/support a mandate.
People are going to do what they want and the cards will fall where they may.
But....I'll throw this out.
My good friend of 45 years and business owner has a daughter (just shy of 30) who is very bright and in the medical field going to college in New York.
She's been there about 5 years or so as she continues on the medical field treadmill pursuing the ''research' path.
Her duties at this time are performing autopsies.
I just spoke with Bob a few days ago and she tells him, and I quote...."97% of Covid deaths were the unvaccinated."....hmmm.
So....if the above is accurate or even very close the thought that comes to my pea brain:
What is the exact percentage of normally (for lack of better words) healthy people that actually had truly adverse, debilitating reactions?
And....if that percentage is very small (say, 5%-7%) is it good logic deciding NOT get vaccinated using such a small sample?
Me...I don't know what to believe anymore nor do I pretend to know any more that anyone else here.
Nor do I don't keep up with all the angst or politics of it all....I'll let the rest of you take that baton. :)
I would never presume to tell anyone what they should, or shouldn't do,
I mind my own business, to each their own decisions and consequences.
But....I've been wrong in the past.
On that note....do carry on.[/QUOTE]
I have completely lost faith in the US Public Health System. They have proven to be nothing more than a partisan mouthpiece rather than relying on actual science. Further, I also do not trust much of the "research" being done currently. Without calling your friend's daughter a liar regarding the number of deaths in vaccinated vs unvaccinated, I'd recommend people expand their research to other countries using the same vaccines. That research also suggests a benefit in vaccination in the prevention of death and hospitalization, but it is by no means anywhere near 97% are unvaccinated. Perhaps your friends medical researcher daughter works in a highly unvaccinated area or has seen few covid related deaths, but vaccinated deaths are FAR higher than 3%. However, these vaccinated deaths are occurring in people that are highly susceptible to death by many causes due to age and/or significant underlying medical conditions.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1651048063]I have completely lost faith in the US Public Health System. They have proven to be nothing more than a partisan mouthpiece rather than relying on actual science. Further, I also do not trust much of the "research" being done currently. .[/QUOTE]
Ha....I hope your not looking for an argument from me on the above. :)
I hear you....my degree of "faith" in this context matches yours....it's not moving the meter at all.
At the youthful age of 74 I'm sure you can imagine my jaded cynicism.
Back to it...
[QUOTE=Wayne Evans;1651048473]Ha....I hope your not looking for an argument from me on the above. :)
I hear you....my degree of "faith" in this context matches yours....it's not moving the meter at all.
At the youthful age of 74 I'm sure you can imagine my jaded cynicism.
Back to it...[/QUOTE]
Not looking for an argument at all Wayne. You always seem like a very even keeled dude that enjoys doing your thing, much respect for that. I believe there is a reason for many people to get vaccinated despite its extremely evident shortcomings in efficacy (when the CDC has to change a long-standing scientific definition of what a vaccine is to accommodate what is essentially a pre-emptive treatment it should raise a lot of eyebrows). People in higher risk categories should absolutely consider it, and it is available to everyone, that is where it should end.
My opinion is pretty much aligned with the Fifth Circuit court decision regarding the partisan weaponization of yet another Federal Agency linked below.
[url]https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/21/21-60845-CV0.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1651051943][B]Not looking for an argument at all Wayne[/B]. You always seem like a very even keeled dude that enjoys doing your thing, much respect for that. My opinion is pretty much aligned with the Fifth Circuit court decision regarding the partisan weaponization of yet another Federal Agency linked below. [/QUOTE]
Ha....I knew that amigo.
My poor attempt at humor in a...shall we say....very [I]polarizing[/I] context.
I'll peruse that link....looks like a long muther so I may need a libation to tackle it.
Carry on....
[QUOTE=Wayne Evans;1651052923]Ha....I knew that amigo.
My poor attempt at humor in a...shall we say....very [I]polarizing[/I] context.
I'll peruse that link....looks like a long muther so I may need a libation to tackle it.
Carry on....[/QUOTE]
It is a rather dry 22 page court opinion on the OSHA emergency temporary standard, but there are some interesting highlights on why we have checks and balances and why allowing the partisan weaponization of Federal agencies who should be acting in good faith is a bad thing.
[QUOTE=acrawlingchaos;1651041413]No problem. I don't think fear and skepticism is a bad thing. There are a lot of people that seem to want to make this a political divide, but it goes beyond that. There are large numbers of Unionized democrats on the left that have historically been critical of their employers forcing them to do anything (including even work), and large numbers of ethic and religious minorities that have been persecuted by governments and are righteously suspicious, fearful and highly skeptical. Veterans, (regardless of affiliation) have every reason to be distrustful of the government. etc, etc.
It's not just cartoonish redneck Trumptards whose fear and skepticism of the government are (for whatever reason) never warranted.
At the end of the day, I don't trust the government about a lot of little things and quite a few big things. That's what this comes down to. You're trust for our government (for whatever reason) is just greater than mine.[/QUOTE]
I hear ya about the different skeptical groups( blind gov trust), hell, i was one of them in the beginning.
After reading endless national and international articles, research studies, talking to friends, MD's, people who had covid badly version 1.0 and a few who said it was a breeze, i decided for me and my sickly folks it was worth it.
I know i am healthy but the guilt from "wrecking" one of them would lead me down a bad path.
Thanks for the unemotional talk, because the rest of the site doesn't play by your sensible rules.
This is a interesting watch, it’s a long video. It’s a lot to digest, has a lot of points and ask a lot of good questions and has a time line. Some will hate it and discredit it some may find it interesting and spark some more thought and questions into it.
[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=91Ib5NjSZ-o[/url]
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MT, thanks for always making me laugh, my friend ;)
This is a sad story...2 in the house vaxxed, 2 who weren't died. Bad luck I guess.
[url]https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2021/11/upstate-ny-family-hit-by-covid-unvaccinated-father-son-die-days-apart-vaccinated-mom-son-recover.html[/url]
[quote]“My husband and son were vaccine-hesitant. ... They didn’t have any physical health problems and they were not at particular risk.”[/quote]
We can all have our opinions but for some this is their reality. This sucks and I feel for this woman and her family.
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1651168663]This is a sad story...2 in the house vaxxed, 2 who weren't died. Bad luck I guess.
[url]https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2021/11/upstate-ny-family-hit-by-covid-unvaccinated-father-son-die-days-apart-vaccinated-mom-son-recover.html[/url]
We can all have our opinions but for some this is their reality. This sucks and I feel for this woman and her family.[/QUOTE]Looks like the son had this happen.
[url]https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/09/another-possible-covid-complication-punctured-lung[/url]
I didn't even know that was a covid problem.
[QUOTE=deadwoodgregg;1651170613]Looks like the son had this happen.
[url]https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/09/another-possible-covid-complication-punctured-lung[/url]
I didn't even know that was a covid problem.[/QUOTE]
That can happen with fatal lung infections. I’m guessing his lungs were probably pretty heavily damaged from the infection, lungs were probably like hamburger. All of the infected cells typically burst (cellular lysis) so having that happen on a massive scale is going to cause physical trauma. A lot of the autopsies on military people who died from the 1918 flu noted their lungs were physically damaged like they got gassed and some had broken ribs from coughing.
Bad things can happen and it’s unfortunate. Maybe the vaccine would have saved those two, maybe it wouldn’t have.
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1651168663]This is a sad story...2 in the house vaxxed, 2 who weren't died. Bad luck I guess.
[url]https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2021/11/upstate-ny-family-hit-by-covid-unvaccinated-father-son-die-days-apart-vaccinated-mom-son-recover.html[/url]
We can all have our opinions but for some this is their reality. This sucks and I feel for this woman and her family.[/QUOTE]
Yeah this part got to me...
"What happened next, she said, “was horrifying.” Six hours apart, she dropped each loved one off at the curb at the emergency room entrance. Because she was infected and in quarantine, she was barred from going in with them.
“That broke me,” she said.
It was the last time she saw them upright and conscious. “You don’t know if they are .......