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[QUOTE=Bando;1632380093]I can get the vaccine if I drive 40 miles to the other end of the county and miss leg day on Saturday. I'm like no thanks and my Wife is pissy about it.
The trend here is that it's like a golden ticket on Willy Wonka, no, I'll wait till it becomes available at my local pharmacy. It's just a vaccine.[/QUOTE]
I got moved up the vaccine list at the Fairgrounds. This Sunday 4:45am, wife and I (she's in healthcare). One shot JJ vaccine. No need to miss anything with 24hr times available.
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[QUOTE=Corbets;1632847863]Yup. A lot of us out here support the concept as a way to get life back to normal as quickly as possible. No idea if it’s going to happen, but I wouldn’t at all be surprised, given the high dependency of some countries (e.g. Greece) on tourism and the economic need to get people traveling again.
If all stays on schedule, I should get an invitation for the vaccine in April or May. Unfortunately, my breastfeeding wife can’t get it, so... I guess it’s vacations alone for a while. :P[/QUOTE]
Your wife is ineligible because she is chest-feeding?
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But seriously...
Why would anyone under the age of 45 get the vaccine?
Things that are weird:
- negative association/labeling to people who don’t want to take it (anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorists, selfish) and very weird propaganda surrounding this
- sense of urgency: “getting shots into arms as quickly as possible” rhetoric
- data for side-effects and mortality REALLY hard to find anywhere. Simply saying “safe and effective” or “no one has died” is just BS. Let’s see the collective data. VAERS attempts to do this, but it’s only a fraction of the real data, and the data they have compiled only makes the “hiding of this data” more suspicious. Why can’t we see it?
- why is an inactivated vaccine (dead virus particles — CoronaVac) only available to China, while the rest of the world has to use mRNA experimental vaccine. No option for inactivated vaccine? Why?
- potentiality of using social pressure to reward vaccinated people while punishing/discriminating against unvaccinated people
- no good explanation as to why low-risk people [u]must[/u] get the vaccine. And before ‘hur durrr long term effects” — The long term effects of the vaccine are also a mystery. No option of continuing to avoid getting sick either by the virus or the vax
- oh look, just to reduce skepticism, check out all the former presidents receiving their alleged vaccines on TV. I’m 100% sure they have the rushed experimental vaccine going into their arms. They’re so relatable and trustworthy... it’s not like Bill Clinton or Obama or Bush have a history of lying to the people or anything. They wouldn’t do that! They’re masticated by a sense of altruism to unify people so we can beat this thing! Lol
- No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the vaccine
- if a person chooses to be vaccinated, how does someone who is not vaccinated present a threat to them. Aren’t they “covered” by their vaccine?
Not everyone trusts the the mega billionaires who have invested in these vaccines, or the governments who are ensuring that these billionaires profit off of everyone regardless of their health/safety
The mortality rate for covid does not justify the need of a vaccine for most of the population, especially children.
These vaccines were rushed, and the likelihood of humans making mistakes with such time constraints... especially
When they’re monetarily incentivized to produce the vax before all the other manufacturers...
Should be optional. Governments should never have been allowed to overstep as far as they had. This has been nothing less than tyranny using daily fear-propaganda and now society is becoming a medical police state.
And since a lot of dumb asses are dumb as fuk, they support it as if it’s actually for our own good.
I’m starting to think some of you guys don’t actually want to go back to normal.
If people are that scared, stay home. Do whatever you gotta do. Take your vaccine and live in fear, continue to treat everyone as if they are diseased like some type of *******.
“If you want to participate in society, you need to come take your medicine.”
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[QUOTE=exyl;1632999053]
- if a person chooses to be vaccinated, how does someone who is not vaccinated present a threat to them. Aren’t they “covered” by their vaccine?
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Ding ding ding ding ding!!
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[QUOTE=exyl;1632999053]But seriously...
Why would anyone under the age of 45 get the vaccine?
Things that are weird:
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Nothing really weird about most of that if you remove your blinders and take off your tin foil hat.
But if you're scared don't get the shot. No one is forcing you.
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[QUOTE=Jtbny;1633013533]Nothing really weird about most of that if you remove your blinders and take off your tin foil hat.
But if you're scared don't get the shot. No one is forcing you.[/QUOTE]
More like of you're scared, take the shot. If you're not scared, the govt send intent on finding other ways to make you scared.
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[QUOTE=exyl;1632999053] if a person chooses to be vaccinated, how does someone who is not vaccinated present a threat to them. Aren’t they “covered” by their vaccine?[/img][/QUOTE]
I am not looking to debate the issue but some food for thought on this is the efficacy of the vaccine, from what I have read they are not 100% and some are as low as 62%
Perhaps someone with more knowledge can chime in.. Points elbow at PP
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1633013783]I am not looking to debate the issue but some food for thought on this is the efficacy of the vaccine, [b]from what I have read they are not 100% and some are as low as 62%[/b]
Perhaps someone with more knowledge can chime in.. Points elbow at PP[/QUOTE]
Oh I forgot to add this to my list,
Thanks!
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[QUOTE=TolerantLactose;1633013743]More like of you're scared, take the shot. If you're not scared, the govt send intent on finding other ways to make you scared.[/QUOTE]
I roll around with others 3-5 days a week no masks and am getting the shot Sunday. I'm getting the shot to protect others from me.
If you're scared of the big bad gov't don't get one. Again, no one is forcing you.
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1633013783]I am not looking to debate the issue but some food for thought on this is the efficacy of the vaccine, from what I have read they are not 100% and some are as low as 62%
Perhaps someone with more knowledge can chime in.. Points elbow at PP[/QUOTE]
I don’t know anything anymore lol, they are just making $hit up at this point. The moderna and Pfizer vaccines were initially around 90-95% effective in the studies with two doses. Then they started to determine, or hint at least, that they were nearly that effective with a single dose.
I have seen ranges of 60-65% effective for J&J on prevention of illness (which is still really really good considering 40% effective is a good year for a flu vaccine). However, the J&J vaccine while less effective for complete prevention, would still offer protection from a serious disease that would require hospitalization or medical care so it greatly reduces the severity if you are in the 40% that aren’t completely protected. I have also read that they believe the J&J was appearing more effective for some of the “more concerning” variants. I’m not sure how much of this is horse $hit propaganda...I think they are touting the J&J because it is faster to produce, doesn’t require extreme temps (they are now rolling back that requirement for short term storage on at least one of them Moderna or Pfizer) and it only requires a single dose cutting the workload in half instantly.
Imo everyone under 65 should just get the J&J if they choose to get one. Save the more effective stuff for the people at higher risk. I haven’t heard much about reactions to J&J either and I’ve known a lot of people including my new hire who came from a major hospital who said she was wrecked after both doses of moderna (late 20s) which makes you wonder how well a 90 yo would tolerate a pretty uncomfortable 24 hours of fever / illness.
They all work and have advantages and disadvantages. If I were to get one it would be J&J but I’ll likely not since my suspected post infection immunity has worked so far and I have been in close contact with at least 30-40 people who tested positive through work (one of the fringe benefits of being in health/safety lol).
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[QUOTE=Jtbny;1633035763]I roll around with others 3-5 days a week no masks and am getting the shot Sunday. I'm getting the shot to protect others from me.
If you're scared of the big bad gov't don't get one. Again, no one is forcing you.[/QUOTE]
I don't have much of a choice whether I get a government or not
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[QUOTE=TolerantLactose;1633036703]I don't have much of a choice whether I get a government or not[/QUOTE]
Cute, but you know what I meant.
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1633036513]I don’t know anything anymore lol they are just making $hit up at this point. The moderna and Pfizer vaccines were initially around 90-95% effective in the studies with two doses. Then they started to determine or hint at least that they were nearly that effective with a single dose. I have seen ranges of 60-65% effective for J&J on prevention of illness (which is still really really good considering 40% effective is a good year for a flu vaccine). However, the J&J vaccine while less effective for complete prevention, would still offer protection from a serious disease that would require hospitalization or medical care so it greatly reduces the severity if you are in the 40% that aren’t completely protected. I have also read that they believe the J&J was appearing mire effective for some of the “more concerning” variants. I’m not sure how much of this is horse $hit propaganda...I think they are touting the J&J because it is faster to produce, doesn’t require extreme temps (they are now rolling back that requirement for short term storage on at least one of them Moderna or Pfizer) and it only requires a single dose cutting the workload in half instantly. Imo everyone under 65 should just get the J&J if they choose to get one. Save the more effective stuff for the at risk people. I haven’t heard much about reactions to J&J either and I’ve known a lot of people including my new hire who came from a major hospital who said she was wrecked after both doses of moderna (late 20s) which makes you wonder how well a 90 yo would tolerate a pretty uncomfortable 24 hours of fever / illness.
They all work and have advantages and disadvantages. If I were to get one it would be J&J but I’ll likely not since my suspected post infection immunity has worked so far and I have been in close contact with at least 30-40 people who tested positive through work (one of the fringe benefits of being in health/safety lol).[/QUOTE]
Thanks my man, informative as always, dang brother that's a lot of contact with positive cases.
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[QUOTE=TolerantLactose;1633036703]I don't have much of a choice whether I get a government or not[/QUOTE]
I don't know why but this made me laugh way harder than it should have.
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[QUOTE=Jtbny;1633036823]Cute, but you know what I meant.[/QUOTE]
I'm not intending to get the shot but if the government institutes a vaccine passport or allow employers to fire people who don't vaccinate or for businesses to require proof of vaccination...
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1633037053]Thanks my man, informative as always, dang brother that's a lot of contact with positive cases.[/QUOTE]
Ya I have been “on point” since the beginning, including screening people who would come to work with symptoms because evidently they didn’t understand the first 300 times they were told to not report to work with ANY of the symptoms. I also conducted and oversaw CDC disinfection protocols in confined areas that are required to be staffed 24/7 where positive people were before learning they were “hot”. We have had 76 confirmed positive cases at my work so far. Several of them in people who got tested as a requirement for routine medical procedures, come to work feeling fine then get a call they are secret COVID carriers. I think we are heading toward the end of this. Glad it wasn’t as serious as it could have been, but I’m still nervous about the longer term economic repercussions.
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[QUOTE=TolerantLactose;1633037993]I'm not intending to get the shot but [B]if[/B] the government institutes a vaccine passport or allow employers to fire people who don't vaccinate or for businesses to require proof of vaccination...[/QUOTE]
[B]If[/B] I had wings I could fly. Making arguments based on "what if's" is pointless and what you are mentioning is fear mongering- the same crap you're preaching against ITT. If this happens then I'd understand your argument. Right now its a excuse to justify your narrative because you're scared the shots are microchipped or some other nonsense.
As far as work - you do realize employers can fire you for just about anything, right?
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1633038213]Ya I have been “on point” since the beginning, including screening people who would come to work with symptoms because evidently they didn’t understand the first 300 times they were told to not report to work with ANY of the symptoms. I also conducted and oversaw CDC disinfection protocols in confined areas that are required to be staffed 24/7 where positive people were before learning they were “hot”. We have had 76 confirmed positive cases at my work so far. Several of them in people who got tested as a requirement for routine medical procedures, come to work feeling fine then get a call they are secret COVID carriers. I think we are heading toward the end of this. Glad it wasn’t as serious as it could have been, but I’m still nervous about the longer term economic repercussions.[/QUOTE]
Holy Crap Batman, that's crazy. I am starting to think maybe I shouldn't even be typing to you lol..
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1633039043]Holy Crap Batman, that's crazy. I am starting to think maybe I shouldn't even be typing to you lol..[/QUOTE]
Just don’t lick your screen where the words I typed with my diseased hands are :p
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1633039573]Just don’t lick your screen where the words I typed with my diseased hands are :p[/QUOTE]
ha ha
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[QUOTE=Jtbny;1633038483][B]If[/B] I had wings I could fly. Making arguments based on "what if's" is pointless and what you are mentioning is fear mongering- the same crap you're preaching against ITT. If this happens then I'd understand your argument. Right now its a excuse to justify your narrative because you're scared the shots are microchipped or some other nonsense. [/QUOTE]
I wouldn't be worried if government officials didn't float these ideas.
I work with public health. We're linking covid vaccinations to patient health records. This is the first vaccine we've done this with on such a wide scale
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[QUOTE=Jtbny;1633013533]Nothing really weird about most of that if you remove your blinders and take off your tin foil hat.
But if you're scared don't get the shot. No one is forcing you.[/QUOTE]
Some businesses already are requiring their employees to get the vaccine.
[QUOTE=TolerantLactose;1633037993]I'm not intending to get the shot but if the government institutes a vaccine passport or allow employers to fire people who don't vaccinate or for businesses to require proof of vaccination...[/QUOTE]
Its coming, I guarantee proof of having the vaccine will be required in order to fly.
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I'm getting one on the 16th. Indiana just opened it up to 50 and older. My adult daughter and my wife received some of the first vaccines since they're RNs.
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[QUOTE=Corbi;1633049663]Some businesses already are requiring their employees to get the vaccine.
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Some business require you to wear a tie too.
[quote]Its coming, I guarantee proof of having the vaccine will be required in order to fly.[/QUOTE]
Maybe. Still, no one is forcing you to fly or get the vaccine.
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[QUOTE=Jtbny;1633038483]
As far as work - you do realize employers can fire you for just about anything, right?[/QUOTE]
Depends on the state.
Exyl makes a lot of good points, but you seem to be picking the low hanging fruit here.
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1633058183]Some business require you to wear a tie too.
Maybe. Still, no one is forcing you to fly or get the vaccine.[/QUOTE]
No one should be forced to get a vaccine or not allowed to cross borders via flight minus a vaccine, but maybe you don't believe in basic American values? No vaccine, no job as well? Really? Local medical center isn't requiring their employees to get it, because people are already leaving in droves because they simply don't like the authoritarian atmosphere of people with opinions like yours.
Requiring people to do anything against their will is a slippery slope. Especially when it comes to what they want to do with their own health. Sounds reasonable..../sarcasm. Sounds totalitarian to me.
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[QUOTE=_zman;1633058713]Depends on the state.
Exyl makes a lot of good points, but you seem to be picking the low hanging fruit here.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't depend much on the state. Right to work are the easiest but what I said also applies to blue states as well unless you're covered by a bargaining agreement.
I'm really not going to argue each point about the vaccines especially with those who subscribe to conspiracy talking points. IDGAF who gets one or what info they use to justify not getting one. Bottom line is if you're scared to get one don't.
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[QUOTE=_zman;1633058713]
No one should be forced to get a vaccine[/QUOTE]
Great we agree.
[QUOTE]or not allowed to cross borders via flight minus a vaccine, [/QUOTE]
Ha this is good. "Via flight" but not walking across the boarder? FFS...
[QUOTE]but maybe you don't believe in basic American values? [/QUOTE]
You only know what I've said in this thread. Maybe our ideas of what American values differ. I won't question yours like you did mine. Have at it.
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No vaccine, no job as well? Really? Local medical center isn't requiring their employees to get it, because people are already leaving in droves because they simply don't like the authoritarian atmosphere of people with opinions like yours.[/QUOTE]
So what you're saying is the market works? Imagine that!
[QUOTE]Requiring people to do anything against their will is a slippery slope. Especially when it comes to what they want to do with their own health. Sounds reasonable..../sarcasm. Sounds totalitarian to me.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it should be mandatory, like I've said numerous times. So we do agree on that. I think people should choose what's best for them. Freedom of choice doesn't come w/o consequences. Your job wants vaccinated employees but you don't want the shot? Great, don't get one. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and find an employer who aligns with your values.
But I'm too high to discuss further :D
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[QUOTE=Jtbny;1633059013]Doesn't depend much on the state. Right to work are the easiest but what I said also applies to blue states as well unless you're covered by a bargaining agreement.
I'm really not going to argue each point about the vaccines especially with those who subscribe to conspiracy talking points. IDGAF who gets one or what info they use to justify not getting one. Bottom line is if you're scared to get one don't.[/QUOTE]
Conspiracy talking points? I think the questions are pretty valid. Saying I’m a conspiracy theorist for things I can observe and question is lazy.
I just don’t think it’s necessary. I think we agree that it should be a choice — I do think we will probably see segregation in businesses with the vaccine passport. There will probably be businesses who only allow vaccinated people to shop or work there, as well as businesses who don’t enforce these types of measures
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Since this is an individual choice it just like voting, we don't have to tell anyone.
:)
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Waiting till some children are born to vaccinated parents and have more Data at hand. Srs
