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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646191373]So instead of a vaccine he took a few thousand dollars worth of antibodies and meds and wound up cancelling a show?
That seems pretty lame, and odd since he's only in his 50's, but maybe he has some health issues?? Regardless, it's nice that he's feeling better.[/QUOTE]
Look at Jesse Jackson, he got two doses of Pfizer, got COVID, has been hospitalized/critical for an extended period, which I’m guessing would be over 100k and is evidently improving but not “out of the woods” yet. You just never know.
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[url]www.mediaite.com/podcasts/joe-rogan-has-covid-took-a-ton-of-drugs-to-treat-it-we-threw-the-kitchen-sink-at-it/[/url]
Joe R
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646191373]So instead of a vaccine he took a few thousand dollars worth of antibodies and meds and wound up cancelling a show?
That seems pretty lame, and odd since he's only in his 50's, but maybe he has some health issues?? Regardless, it's nice that he's feeling better.[/QUOTE]
Dunno what his rationale was, he pretty much marches to the beat of his own drum... I do know that a couple a thousand worth of meds won't put him in the poor house, his net worth is around 100 million
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1646194853]Look at Jesse Jackson, he got two doses of Pfizer, got COVID, has been hospitalized/critical for an extended period, which I’m guessing would be over 100k and is evidently improving but not “out of the woods” yet. You just never know.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, there is a big difference between being 79 and 54 in terms of likelihood of developing severe symptoms though.
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646195483]Dunno what his rationale was, he pretty much marches to the beat of his own drum... I do know that a couple a thousand worth of meds won't put him in the poor house, his net worth is around 100 million[/QUOTE]
When i watched that video and read what he took, it reminded me of supplements here.
You order 4 things, and after a while you do not know which of the 4 was the "winner" in helping you improve.
Could you have skipped several of the items in favor of just 1?
We will never know.
1.Monoclonal antibodies,
2.ivermectin,
3.Z-Pak,
4.Prednisone, "everything"
5. NAD drip and a
6. vitamin drip,
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[QUOTE=ectoBgone;1646196483]To be fair, there is a big difference between being 79 and 54 in terms of likelihood of developing severe symptoms though.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. Just playing devils advocate. There was also 36 yo recently in the news double vaxxed and died of covid. Certainly being vaxxed reduces likelihood of a bad outcome, but it is no guarantee.
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1646197703]Absolutely. Just playing devils advocate. There was also 36 yo recently in the news double vaxxed and died of covid. Certainly being vaxxed reduces likelihood of a bad outcome, but it is no guarantee.[/QUOTE]
Yep, I hear ya.
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1646197703]Absolutely. Just playing devils advocate. There was also 36 yo recently in the news double vaxxed and died of covid. Certainly being vaxxed reduces likelihood of a bad outcome, but it is no guarantee.[/QUOTE]
It's all about risk reduction.
[img]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/12/08/science/08SCI-cheese-graphic-REV2/08SCI-cheese-graphic-REV2-superJumbo.png[/img]
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[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1646197333]When i watched that video and read what he took, it reminded me of supplements here.
You order 4 things, and after a while you do not know which of the 4 was the "winner" in helping you improve.
Could you have skipped several of the items in favor of just 1?
We will never know.
1.Monoclonal antibodies,
2.ivermectin,
3.Z-Pak,
4.Prednisone, "everything"
5. NAD drip and a
6. vitamin drip,[/QUOTE]
Could also been had nothing to do with a single thing he took and his recovery would have been the exact same without.
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646188613]Joe Rogan's contracted COVID-19 -- something he's spent countless hours talking about -- but says he's doing better thanks to a laundry list of meds ... but still has to cancel an upcoming show.
The famous podcast host, UFC commentator, conspiracy theorist and hot-take-giver says he got home from being on the road Saturday and felt like hell, so he quarantined from his family and got tested for the coronavirus.
Sure enough, he has COVID, so Rogan says he immediately began consuming all the modern medicine he could get his hands on -- seriously, listen to what he claims he took -- to combat the virus ... and it worked.
Joe says after 3 days on all those meds, he feels great ... but he's canceling his upcoming show in Nashville out of caution and rescheduling for late October.[/QUOTE]
My boss is the same age as him and probably similar fitness level. He was fine after a day as well.
Who knows if Rogan even needed any of those basic meds.
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[QUOTE=Gabbar99;1646199603]It's all about risk reduction.
[img]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/12/08/science/08SCI-cheese-graphic-REV2/08SCI-cheese-graphic-REV2-superJumbo.png[/img][/QUOTE]
One of my primary incident investigation models. Multiple contributing factors aligned rather than a single root cause.
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I like how by the time you get the vaccines there is no more virus getting through. This is proven to be false. It shouldn't even be in there.
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[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646210133]I like how by the time you get the vaccines there is no more virus getting through. This is proven to be false. It shouldn't even be in there.[/QUOTE]
Totally, dude. Except maybe if the virus is blowing from the right side.
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1646154073]I think we are getting close to that now, but it’s not from the virus. The only thing that’s being washed more than hands during the last 18 months is brains :p
I don’t think covid zombies would feed on the living, they can’t really taste anything so no point. They will just limp around not respecting social distancing coughing on people, making more zombies.[/QUOTE]
U paint a very dismal picture, PP Dude, but I'm still holding out a sliver of hope that we're gonna get to bash some genuine zombies before this virus business is over. Actually, I think it may be just what we need to unite living humanity in a effort to rid the world of evil infected zombies while having some fun in the process. I mean, have you ever seen someone go easy on a piñata? Even freakin kids try to smash the absolute crap of of them. I reckon we're hardwired to wanna smash $hit. I know I am. :D
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[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646210133]I like how by the time you get the vaccines there is no more virus getting through. This is proven to be false. It shouldn't even be in there.[/QUOTE]Homie didn't understand the illustration. No surprise, though.
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[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646210133]I like how by the time you get the vaccines there is no more virus getting through. This is proven to be false. It shouldn't even be in there.[/QUOTE]
In Reason’s Swiss Cheese Theory model, the holes in the cheese are not stationary. When a series of holes line up the conditions for an incident exist. Basically multiple small failures of components of a process resulting in an incident.
[QUOTE=ChazWood;1646212253]U paint a very dismal picture, PP Dude, but I'm still holding out a sliver of hope that we're gonna get to bash some genuine zombies before this virus business is over. Actually, I think it may be just what we need to unite living humanity in a effort to rid the world of evil infected zombies while having some fun in the process. I mean, have you ever seen someone go easy on a piñata? Even freakin kids try to smash the absolute crap of of them. I reckon we're hardwired to wanna smash $hit. I know I am. :D[/QUOTE]
I think the “science” is going to suggest bashing unvaccinated skulls in before too much longer, or maybe gas chambers.
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Some may find this interesting
[url]www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-study-reveals-rate-of-breakthrough-covid-cases/ar-AANZMnz?ocid=msedgntp[/url]
The data, gathered from December 8, 2020, through July 4, 2021, show that of more than 1.2 million adults who received a first dose, fewer than 0.5% reported contracting breakthrough infections two weeks or more after getting the jab. Among those who got both shots, fewer than 0.2% experienced a breakthrough infection a week or more after getting their second shot.
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[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1646226023]Some may find this interesting
[url]www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-study-reveals-rate-of-breakthrough-covid-cases/ar-AANZMnz?ocid=msedgntp[/url]
The data, gathered from December 8, 2020, through July 4, 2021, show that of more than 1.2 million adults who received a first dose, fewer than 0.5% reported contracting breakthrough infections two weeks or more after getting the jab. Among those who got both shots, fewer than 0.2% experienced a breakthrough infection a week or more after getting their second shot.[/QUOTE]
The validity of data would be improved if they didn't stop tracking positive cases in vaccinated people lol. Since May, covid positives in vaccinated people "don't count" unless they end up critical/dead, whereas asymptomatic positive cases do count for unvaccinated people. Simple data manipulation. The numbers aren't wrong, the way they are generating them is misleading, at best.
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1646227033]The validity of data would be improved if they didn't stop tracking positive cases in vaccinated people lol. Since May, covid positives in vaccinated people "don't count" unless they end up critical/dead, whereas asymptomatic positive cases do count for unvaccinated people. Simple data manipulation. The numbers aren't wrong, the way they are generating them is misleading, at best.[/QUOTE]
Gotcha and a very very good point.
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1646227033]The validity of data would be improved if they didn't stop tracking positive cases in vaccinated people lol. Since May, covid positives in vaccinated people "don't count" unless they end up critical/dead, whereas asymptomatic positive cases do count for unvaccinated people. Simple data manipulation. The numbers aren't wrong, the way they are generating them is misleading, at best.[/QUOTE]
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the CDC death counts also manipulated based on their footnotes on their website? And co-morbidities were not taken into account.
[url]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm[/url]
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[QUOTE=z4v4;1646212823]Homie didn't understand the illustration. No surprise, though.[/QUOTE]
You liberal ****g0ts are way to literal all the time.
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1646227033]The validity of data would be improved if they didn't stop tracking positive cases in vaccinated people lol. Since May, covid positives in vaccinated people "don't count" unless they end up critical/dead, whereas asymptomatic positive cases do count for unvaccinated people. Simple data manipulation. The numbers aren't wrong, the way they are generating them is misleading, at best.[/QUOTE]
Who is they? The referenced study
isn’t from the CDC. From the article itself:
“The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, for instance, doesn't have good data on how many people catch COVID-19 after being vaccinated, as it decided in the spring to track only serious, symptomatic breakthrough cases. The British study, on the other hand, used mass-testing data to determine how many breakthrough cases there actually are and how sick those people get.”
The link to the primary study is in the article.
And there are numerous studies that have implemented random sampling methodology to examine the effect of the vaccines on infection.
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[QUOTE=Reliance012;1646233403]Who is they? The referenced study
isn’t from the CDC. From the article itself:
“The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, for instance, doesn't have good data on how many people catch COVID-19 after being vaccinated, as it decided in the spring to track only serious, symptomatic breakthrough cases. The British study, on the other hand, used mass-testing data to determine how many breakthrough cases there actually are and how sick those people get.”
The link to the primary study is in the article.
And there are numerous studies that have implemented random sampling methodology to examine the effect of the vaccines on infection.[/QUOTE]
Random sampling and studies conducted since the rise of the Delta variant would be more relevant at present.
Here's a more recent snapshot in the UK.
"However, after adjusting for a range of variables, the researchers found that vaccine effectiveness was 49%. This is a reduction from the previous round of analysis, which found the vaccines to be 64% effective."
[url]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-in-england-rising-infections-as-delta-variant-takes-hold[/url]
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1646238143]Random sampling and studies conducted since the rise of the Delta variant would be more relevant at present.
Here's a more recent snapshot in the UK.
"However, after adjusting for a range of variables, the researchers found that vaccine effectiveness was 49%. This is a reduction from the previous round of analysis, which found the vaccines to be 64% effective."
[url]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-in-england-rising-infections-as-delta-variant-takes-hold[/url][/QUOTE]
There are studies that have looked specifically at Delta. Most have shown a relative reduction in infection between 40-60%, similar to what you posted. Here are a few.
[url]https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/files/coron...ve20210816.pdf[/url]
[url]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...mm7034e4-H.pdf[/url]
[url]https://spiral.imperial.ac.uk/bitstr...rint_final.pdf[/url]
On another note, protection against disease remains very high.
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[QUOTE=Reliance012;1646240413]There are studies that have looked specifically at Delta. Most have shown a relative reduction in infection between 40-60%, similar to what you posted. Here are a few.
[url]https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/files/coron...ve20210816.pdf[/url]
[url]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...mm7034e4-H.pdf[/url]
[url]https://spiral.imperial.ac.uk/bitstr...rint_final.pdf[/url]
On another note, protection against disease remains very high.[/QUOTE]
None of those links work for me, but from what I've seen, I agree 40-60% seems to be the current consensus.
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1646194853]Look at Jesse Jackson, he got two doses of Pfizer, got COVID, has been hospitalized/critical for an extended period, which I’m guessing would be over 100k and is evidently improving but not “out of the woods” yet. You just never know.[/QUOTE]
Well, one is much older and got very sick, so him getting a bunch of treatments seems reasonable.
Or are you pointing out that if he didn't have the vaccine, he might have already died and the vaccine therefore wasn't cost effective? ;)
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646242143]Well, one is much older and got very sick, so him getting a bunch of treatments seems reasonable.
Or are you pointing out that if he didn't have the vaccine, he might have already died and the vaccine therefore wasn't cost effective? ;)[/QUOTE]
The latter :p
His wife was not vaxxed, also in serious/critical condition. Not sure how that worked out, one vaxxed on TV one not?
Vaccine leads to another loss of life here in IL.
[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/illinois-man-killed-half-brother-during-vaccine-dispute-police/ar-AANZOBn?ocid=uxbndlbing[/url]
okay that was a stretch...
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646195483]Dunno what his rationale was, he pretty much marches to the beat of his own drum... I do know that a couple a thousand worth of meds won't put him in the poor house, his net worth is around 100 million[/QUOTE]
I know, but not everyone who he offers his advice to has that net worth or the ability to over treat at the first sign of the virus. Didn't he decline the vaccine because he didn't think he was at risk of anything serious, and also say it wasn't necessary unless the concern was transmitting it to others?
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1646241573]None of those links work for me, but from what I've seen, I agree 40-60% seems to be the current consensus.[/QUOTE]
Apologies. Just realized they’re not working anymore.
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646242683]I know, but not everyone who he offers his advice to has that net worth or the ability to over treat at the first sign of the virus. Didn't he decline the vaccine because he didn't think he was at risk of anything serious, and also say it wasn't necessary unless the concern was transmitting it to others?[/QUOTE]
I don't remember what exactly he said but I remember him saying something really stupid about the vaccine and having to apologize with some statement that he isn't a doctor, lol.
