Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=LWW;1641940863]I replaced my bagel with a high calorie whey protein drink with milk, get it? But I don't count my calories, I just lift and eat and I eat big at dinner, I don't do all that BB stuff.

The 10# I lost is flab around the waist mostly the rear oblique's because all that bread was stored there, It's a tad noticeable to me, the scale and my wife actually said she noticed and I never said anything, I cut back on ALL breads too.[/QUOTE]

Ok chief - maybe you dropped some water weight but 10lbs? Don’t think so

Are you forgetting two tablespoons of cream Cheese with that bagel? Hnnng. I’m hungry fir a bagel rn

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1641946853]Ok chief - maybe you dropped some water weight but 10lbs? Don’t think so

Are you forgetting two tablespoons of cream Cheese with that bagel? Hnnng. I’m hungry fir a bagel rn[/QUOTE]


I also said I cut back on all breads. Yeah 10# douchebag, my weight has been creeping up to 235 and in the last 5 weeks is now below 225, I have also been dong reps with the dead lifts not only singles.

I really don’t give two fuks what you say anyway, do even lift heavy fuking weights????

So I just watched an 8 min video with Fauci and Judy W discussing the 2 America's, vaccinated and unvaccinated. With Delta spreading faster, he quoted a couple of percentages which I found interesting.
He said that current protection from 1 shot is said to be at 30% and protection from 2 is at 88%.
Now we all are smart enough to know that these numbers are not absolutes but the drop over time as more data comes in is pretty interesting.

YEAh, I also ate Ramen noodles every other day too, I’ve cut them out too. It been a good 5 6 weeks plus I rarely drink anymore like once a month or every 3 weeks it seems.

AOC eats box Mac and cheese she probably likes Ramon too, she’s built like a skinny 12 year old girl. Probially not healthy?

[QUOTE=LWW;1641977283]YEAh, I also ate Ramen noodles every other day too, I’ve cut them out too. It been a good 5 6 weeks plus I rarely drink anymore like once a month or every 3 weeks it seems.

AOC eats box Mac and cheese she probably likes Ramon too, she’s built like a skinny 12 year old girl. Probially not healthy?[/QUOTE]

You see why your weightloss is not just from the one bagel?

Regardless, good for you!

And no, I don’t lift heavy weights

It's not that hard to give up the begals and Ramon when I got tasty Whey shakes and protein bars , but I still eat cream cheese on crackers, but not everyday.

But a whole bagel has over 50grams of carbs, thats a fuking lot, and it all goes to the lower back side and there's no protein there.

I won't give up pasta at dinners, so when I take away that daily bagel from all the heavy carbs at dinner, it makes a difference. But I will pass now on the bread and butter, garlic bread etc at dinner.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1641923343]Sounds like you got a few more brain cells than your brother. Be thankful.[/QUOTE]

There is every reason to be skeptical that EVERYONE needs this vaccine.

With that said, let’s see what happens if Trump gets close to winning another presidency, if he does win the real powers have no reason to launch another scare because Trump will not be able to run again,but they could launch another scare close to the election.

Gotta be a responsible citizen my man!

The Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine provides immunity that lasts at least eight months, and it appears to provide adequate protection against the worrying Delta variant, the company said

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1641958563]So I just watched an 8 min video with Fauci and Judy W discussing the 2 America's, vaccinated and unvaccinated. With Delta spreading faster, he quoted a couple of percentages which I found interesting.
He said that current protection from 1 shot is said to be at 30% and protection from 2 is at 88%.
Now we all are smart enough to know that these numbers are not absolutes but the drop over time as more data comes in is pretty interesting.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what those percentages were.
There is a set of percentages around vaccinated people testing positive (the virus), a set of percentages around vaccinated people contracting Covid (the condition), percentages for people contracting Covid and needing medical assistance of some kind (like family doctor advice or treatment), another set of percentages around needing hospital admission, and likelihood of serious condition including death.
Where I have seen things, which % used was picked and mixed according to the spin of the argument

My wife just got her 2nd shot 3 days ago and she has been sick for 2 days, getting better this morning. She keeps asking me when am I going to get the shot, I dunno man sometimes I wonder about this woman, in September we will make 40 years and she still doesn't know me :D

Unjabbed conspiracy tinfoil checking in.

Just an FYI. You can buy vaxx card on Amazon and create a fake passport.

You're welcome for my cervix.

[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1642027453]Unjabbed conspiracy tinfoil checking in.

Just an FYI. You can buy vaxx card on Amazon and create a fake passport.

You're welcome for my cervix.[/QUOTE]

Imma need the Vax card as I am going to Aruba in August :D

[QUOTE=bodyhard;1642028363]Imma need the Vax card as I am going to Aruba in August :D[/QUOTE]

You can easily get a fake one if you refuse to take the jab. Just buy blank forms and fill them out with fake names. The molesters at TSA won't take the time to confirm. They are too busy grabbing ballz.

Where there is demand, there is supply.

Free market capitalism all the way bruh. :)

[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1642027453]Unjabbed conspiracy tinfoil checking in.

Just an FYI. You can buy vaxx card on Amazon and create a fake passport.

You're welcome for my cervix.[/QUOTE]

Link?

[QUOTE=mgftp;1642029643]Link?[/QUOTE]

I just looked. Amazon took it down. I should have bought a pack a week ago.

I am sure there are sources where the unjabbed can buy blank forms.

Also, just something to think about. Why are the jabbed worried about the unjabbed? If vaxx is supposed to work, the jabbed should not fear the unjabbed. Knowwhatimsayin?

[QUOTE=mgftp;1642029643]Link?[/QUOTE]

Just print and fill out. And make sure you buy a plastic holder to make it look more legit.

[url]https://s2underground.files.wordpress.com/2021/04/covid-vaccine-card-version-2.pdf[/url]

[QUOTE=bodyhard;1642027083]My wife just got her 2nd shot 3 days ago and she has been sick for 2 days, getting better this morning. She keeps asking me when am I going to get the shot, I dunno man sometimes I wonder about this woman, in September we will make 40 years and she still doesn't know me :D[/QUOTE]

Many women are ruled by fear and worry and you know this already. She just wants you around to get old with her, it is as simple as that!

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1642022593]I don't know what those percentages were.
There is a set of percentages around vaccinated people testing positive (the virus), a set of percentages around vaccinated people contracting Covid (the condition), percentages for people contracting Covid and needing medical assistance of some kind (like family doctor advice or treatment), another set of percentages around needing hospital admission, and likelihood of serious condition including death.
Where I have seen things, which % used was picked and mixed according to the spin of the argument[/QUOTE]

I will find rhe video and post it.

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1642032173]Many women are ruled by fear and worry and you know this already.[/QUOTE]

Yup!! This is why liberals vilify real men with their 'toxic masculinity' goat$hit propaganda and promote effeminate males. Liberals know real men fight for truth and freedom and liberty and all that HOOAH American $hit, while beta cucks will bend over and take it in the sphincter like a bunch of hoe moez.

Come at me, commies.

I Am

The Sovereign Goat Man

[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1642029943]I just looked. Amazon took it down. I should have bought a pack a week ago.

I am sure there are sources where the unjabbed can buy blank forms.

Also, just something to think about. Why are the jabbed worried about the unjabbed? If vaxx is supposed to work, the jabbed should not fear the unjabbed. Knowwhatimsayin?[/QUOTE]With so many jab sites touting "No ID needed", just pay someone to go get the single jab variety and give them your name. Real vaccination card with your name.

I'll second the question: Why do so many vaccinated people CARE who is unvaccinated?

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1642032173]Many women are ruled by fear and worry and you know this already. She just wants you around to get old with her, it is as simple as that![/QUOTE]

I believe BH has had Covid, so he is supposed to have anti bodies, so wats the point of him getting vaccined?

Of course the choice is his, and would understand if he wanted to, but the science points differently?

[QUOTE=CommitmentRulz;1642035963
I'll second the question: Why do so many vaccinated people CARE who is unvaccinated?[/QUOTE]

It’s a return to normal bs that the government has brainwashed people on to turn against each other.

The hero’s in this are the business owners saying fuk u fuk your normalcy treat dangling in front of me, I’m opening even if I get arrested. This is a new type of war.

[QUOTE=LWW;1642036253]I believe BH has had Covid, so he is supposed to have anti bodies, so wats the point of him getting vaccined?

Of course the choice is his, and would understand if he wanted to, but the science points differently?[/QUOTE]

If someone had Covid and later has the vaccine they will have a stronger and longer lasting immunity and because the vaccine and what they had aren't totally identical they have a broader immune response. These are FACTS

Whether someone who had Covid [i]Needs[/i] to have the vaccine that is OPINION

Now welcome to a world where facts, opinion and partisan politics are all jumbled up and then presented as if everything was fact

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1642040403]If someone had Covid and later has the vaccine they will have a stronger and longer lasting immunity and because the vaccine and what they had aren't totally identical they have a broader immune response. These are FACTS

Whether someone who had Covid [i]Needs[/i] to have the vaccine that is OPINION

Now welcome to a world where facts, opinion and partisan politics are all jumbled up and then presented as if everything was fact[/QUOTE]

I get all my news and education from the misc

:-/

For the record - not srs (maybe semi-Srs)

[QUOTE=LWW;1642036253]I believe BH has had Covid, so he is supposed to have anti bodies, so wats the point of him getting vaccined?

Of course the choice is his, and would understand if he wanted to, but the science points differently?[/QUOTE]

You know the one year that i got the flu shot i got the flu., The reason was because my shot did not cover the particular type or strain of flu that i was exposed to. Same situation here.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Prh3zSr.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1642040403]If someone had Covid and later has the vaccine they will have a stronger and longer lasting immunity and because the vaccine and what they had aren't totally identical they have a broader immune response. These are FACTS

Whether someone who had Covid [i]Needs[/i] to have the vaccine that is OPINION

Now welcome to a world where facts, opinion and partisan politics are all jumbled up and then presented as if everything was fact[/QUOTE]
Those cannot be facts, because it is unknown if post infection vaccination has any effect on contracting covid, because reinfection is essentially nonexistent. It’s much lower than breakthrough cases of covid in vaccinated people. The vaccine doesn’t appear to cause any immediate negative effect to them either considering the high number of people who had covid and were later vaccinated and read that it helped some who had long lasting symptoms get better (not sure if that’s true or not didn’t see a study). So far confirmed reinfection is really low, within the range of one confirming tests being a false positive. I think Sweden did a global study of reinfection and it was under 200 known cases globally as of several months ago.

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1642043743]You know the one year that i got the flu shot i got the flu., The reason was because my shot did not cover the particular type or strain of flu that i was exposed to. Same situation here.[/QUOTE]

And you didn’t die from it. BH didn’t die from Covid, it’s the whole point, this whole hysteria.

Some peeps need vaccine right away, not everyone.

The Covid sounded bad to me when BH has it, but he had it, maybe he will want to get vaccine some day to not experience that the same way someone would a flu, but should be urgent?

Again, the gubmit created hysteria.

[QUOTE=LWW;1642046363]And you didn’t die from it. BH didn’t die from Covid, it’s the whole point, this whole hysteria.

Some peeps need vaccine right away, not everyone.

The Covid sounded bad to me when BH has it, but he had it, maybe he will want to get vaccine some day to not experience that the same way someone would a flu, but should be urgent?

Again, the gubmit created hysteria.[/QUOTE]

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

In the past, it is historically accurate that vaccines have saved lives. We cannot deny this. Nobody is denying it. Right? Right.

But..

Back then America was not the fascist corporatist that it is now. Also back then there was such thing as accountability.


Fast forward to today. Big pharma cannot be sued. Big pharma generates lots of income. And big pharma has injured many over the years. Yet they remained above the law.

The merging of banks and gubmint, education and gubmint, organized religion and gubmint, media and gubmint, hollywood and gubmint, big pharma and gubmint, you get the idea. The merging of all these powerful entities with gubmint created a central power that King George of England could only achieve in his wet dreams.

But nobody wants to talk about the dangerous centralized powers of the neo fascist corporatists...

Because fear got them by the ballz.


Vaccinations had good intentions in the past. But powers that be saw the potential for cha-ching and control. So they paved the way to hell.

[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1642048893]"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

In the past, it is historically accurate that vaccines have saved lives. We cannot deny this. Nobody is denying it. Right? Right.

But..

Back then America was not the fascist corporatist that it is now. Also back then there was such thing as accountability.


Fast forward to today. Big pharma cannot be sued. Big pharma generates lots of income. And big pharma has injured many over the years. Yet they remained above the law.

The merging of banks and gubmint, education and gubmint, organized religion and gubmint, media and gubmint, hollywood and gubmint, big pharma and gubmint, you get the idea. The merging of all these powerful entities with gubmint created a central power that King George of England could only achieve in his wet dreams.

But nobody wants to talk about the dangerous centralized powers of the neo fascist corporatists...

Because fear got them by the ballz.


Vaccinations had good intentions in the past. But powers that be saw the potential for cha-ching and control. So they paved the way to hell.[/QUOTE]

The vaccines are good now, especially for vulnerable / higher risk people. There would be a lot more deaths without them. That said, big pharma does have a lot of influence in government, they are a powerful and rich lobbyist.

[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1642030203]Just print and fill out. And make sure you buy a plastic holder to make it look more legit.

[url]https://s2underground.files.wordpress.com/2021/04/covid-vaccine-card-version-2.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]

Got it! Awesome thank you!!!


[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1642032173]Many women are ruled by fear and worry and you know this already. She just wants you around to get old with her, it is as simple as that![/QUOTE]

Yeah I know her intentions are always good, she is my rock, but at the same time she should know I am not going to do something for anyone else, it is in my DNA, it is how I am wired.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1642045743]Those cannot be facts...[/QUOTE] Will dig up some supporting link when I get chance.

Maybe some things presented to me as researched facts are also opinion. The closer we look the more politics and opinions replace supposed facts :(

It's a sad world when WHO is moving to put traditional Chinese medicine on an equal status to evidence based medicine. Here's a link to nature on that not alt media [url]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-06782-7[/url] we really are left with a "who do you trust" situation that only inflates the conspiracy nonsense

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1642045743]Those cannot be facts, because it is unknown if post infection vaccination has any effect on contracting covid, because reinfection is essentially nonexistent. It’s much lower than breakthrough cases of covid in vaccinated people. The vaccine doesn’t appear to cause any immediate negative effect to them either considering the high number of people who had covid and were later vaccinated and read that it helped some who had long lasting symptoms get better (not sure if that’s true or not didn’t see a study). So far confirmed reinfection is really low, within the range of one confirming tests being a false positive. I think Sweden did a global study of reinfection and it was under 200 known cases globally as of several months ago.[/QUOTE]
Reinfection is certainly possible but is rare, in the UK there is no officially released data but there is active surveillance program [url]https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-covid-19-reinfection-surveillance/information-on-covid-19-reinfection-surveillance-in-england[/url] to quantify this.

The *speculation* is that reinfection of people who had Covid but no vaccination will increase over time as immunity wears off, although so far immunity seems to remain robust. On that topic I read [url]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9[/url] which seems more positive that early assumptions

With long Covid I heard that 30% of people had improved after both doses of vaccination but I can't attribute that statistic to an underlying study

Despite still being presented as "fact" in NHS faq - which you clarify as opinion and assumption - thank you even your CDC states "...Studies have shown that vaccination provides a strong boost in protection in people who have recovered from COVID-19.." [url]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html[/url] but I find no studies on that

Apologies that my post will read like an anti Vax conspiracy theorists (which I am definitely not). It does seem there's no actual evidence. You're right what I though was fact is actually opinion and part of a campaign to encourage vaccination of those who already had Covid, which may well be unnecessary.

The main benefit of blanket vaccination is that it's easier to track who's been vaccinated than who may have had Covid. So bureaucratic reasons not clinical?

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1642102033]Reinfection is certainly possible but is rare, in the UK there is no officially released data but there is active surveillance program [url]https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-covid-19-reinfection-surveillance/information-on-covid-19-reinfection-surveillance-in-england[/url] to quantify this.

The *speculation* is that reinfection of people who had Covid but no vaccination will increase over time as immunity wears off, although so far immunity seems to remain robust. On that topic I read [url]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9[/url] which seems more positive that early assumptions

With long Covid I heard that 30% of people had improved after both doses of vaccination but I can't attribute that statistic to an underlying study

Despite still being presented as "fact" in NHS faq - which you clarify as opinion and assumption - thank you even your CDC states "...Studies have shown that vaccination provides a strong boost in protection in people who have recovered from COVID-19.." [url]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html[/url] but I find no studies on that

Apologies that my post will read like an anti Vax conspiracy theorists (which I am definitely not). It does seem there's no actual evidence. You're right what I though was fact is actually opinion and part of a campaign to encourage vaccination of those who already had Covid, which may well be unnecessary.

The main benefit of blanket vaccination is that it's easier to track who's been vaccinated than who may have had Covid. So bureaucratic reasons not clinical?[/QUOTE]

Yes, bureaucratic and financial. There could be “proof” that a vaccination of people who had infection will cause an immune response (this is likely) however it doesn’t mean anything because reinfection is essentially nonexistent in real terms. I am guessing that immunity will also be essentially permanent. We don’t get reinfected with the other 7-8 coronaviruses either. The “science” on this is all in the $hitter at this point, it is tightly controlled, information is suppressed and things that are expressed by the CDC and similar entities don’t fit into the physics of how microbiology/pathology/immunology work. There is the potential for an actual variant that causes enough genetic change that we are back to square one, but it is highly unlikely. Coronaviruses don’t swap genetic material as freely as influenza viruses do (genetic recombination) which is why we have annual flu outbreaks but do not have annual coronavirus outbreaks of the other common strains that affect humans.

I am pro vaccine for everyone who wants it. I think it’s a good idea for everyone that hasn’t had covid, because it can kill even low risk people who likely have a genetic trait that makes them more vulnerable. I am very much apposed to forced vaccination especially in people who had covid. They appear to be the group who have a higher percentage of adverse reactions to the vaccines too, likely because they are already immune and natural exposure to the virus would not be the same as inoculation with a vaccine designed to initiate an immune response. Covid is going to be a minor disease, likely forever. Those who get it will likely be fine, those who get vaccinated will likely be fine, some will die from it in both groups. Groups who haven’t had it or been vaccinated will still allow the virus to continue on, albeit at a low level. That is the reason for the push for vaccines and I understand that, but it should be presented differently than the way it has been. The only thing being accomplished now is creating division, and the loss of credibility for people who understand how diseases work when horse$hit narratives and fake science are pushed.

Remember folks: FOLLOW THE SCIENCE - but only the science we are touting at any given time.

Masks don't work.
Masks DO work.
If you get the vaccine, you still need to wear a mask and social distance.
If you get the vaccine, you do not still need to wear a mask and social distance.
The idea that the virus started in a lab in China is a conspiracy theory.
There is REAL PROOF that the virus started in a lab in China.
Joe Biden got 81 million real, legal votes.

[QUOTE=CommitmentRulz;1642105703]Remember folks: FOLLOW THE SCIENCE - but only the science we are touting at any given time.

Masks don't work.
Masks DO work.
If you get the vaccine, you still need to wear a mask and social distance.
If you get the vaccine, you do not still need to wear a mask and social distance.
The idea that the virus started in a lab in China is a conspiracy theory.
There is REAL PROOF that the virus started in a lab in China.
Joe Biden got 81 million real, legal votes.[/QUOTE]

Recovered from covid, fully vaxxed, and still wearing masks outdoors. Science...

[youtube]sde3p19Zd7U[/youtube]

Guys, I lost another pound this week, went from 234 to 222 in like 6 weeks........

I’m gonna buy a pack bagels now!

I’ll eat one like every two days!!!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/KLefrie.png[/img]

[QUOTE=LWW;1642107193]Guys, I lost another pound this week, went from 234 to 222 in like 6 weeks........

I’m gonna buy a pack bagels now!

I’ll eat one like every two days!!![/QUOTE]
Congrats.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1642107233] snip ][/QUOTE]

I was telling my wife and kids about you when we were hiking through the mountains the other day. How even at 62 (guess 63 now, happy birthday)you just get dropped off in the middle of nowhere and hike back solo. I loved the hikes we did in the mountains, but I can’t even fathom carrying enough stuff for a week and trekking solo. I’d need a mule like that guy on grizzly adams.

The stuff I brought barely fit in the cabin and most of it didn’t get used. I’d be like one of those AT through hikers that ditches thousand $ in gear because they bring too much unnecessary $hit and need to lighten their packs 7 miles in :p

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1642104823]Yes, bureaucratic and financial. There could be “proof” that a vaccination of people who had infection will cause an immune response (this is likely) however it doesn’t mean anything because reinfection is essentially nonexistent in real terms. I am guessing that immunity will also be essentially permanent. We don’t get reinfected with the other 7-8 coronaviruses either. The “science” on this is all in the $hitter at this point, it is tightly controlled, information is suppressed and things that are expressed by the CDC and similar entities don’t fit into the physics of how microbiology/pathology/immunology work. There is the potential for an actual variant that causes enough genetic change that we are back to square one, but it is highly unlikely. Coronaviruses don’t swap genetic material as freely as influenza viruses do (genetic recombination) which is why we have annual flu outbreaks but do not have annual coronavirus outbreaks of the other common strains that affect humans.

I am pro vaccine for everyone who wants it. I think it’s a good idea for everyone that hasn’t had covid, because it can kill even low risk people who likely have a genetic trait that makes them more vulnerable. I am very much apposed to forced vaccination especially in people who had covid. They appear to be the group who have a higher percentage of adverse reactions to the vaccines too, likely because they are already immune and natural exposure to the virus would not be the same as inoculation with a vaccine designed to initiate an immune response. Covid is going to be a minor disease, likely forever. Those who get it will likely be fine, those who get vaccinated will likely be fine, some will die from it in both groups. Groups who haven’t had it or been vaccinated will still allow the virus to continue on, albeit at a low level. That is the reason for the push for vaccines and I understand that, but it should be presented differently than the way it has been. The only thing being accomplished now is creating division, and the loss of credibility for people who understand how diseases work when horse$hit narratives and fake science are pushed.[/QUOTE]


The other 4 coronavirus clades circulating in humans commonly infect the same host many times over because each clade has extensive genetic diversity. They would be extinct if not. You may have immunity for very long periods of time against a single genetic variant, but not against all variants within the clade. The same thing will likely happen with SARSCOV2.

We need seasonal influenza vaccines because of antigenic drift — point mutations. Antigenic shift is rare and is not the reason we need annual flu vaccines. Shift leads to events like 2009 pandemic.

We see seasonal outbreaks of Coronaviruses 229E, NL63, OC43, HKU1 in the same way we see seasonality of influenza. Yes they are more genetically stable, but that doesn’t mean you have life long immunity to the clade after one infection lol. SARSCOV2 annual vaccines… prob not. Every few years, probably.

[QUOTE=Reliance012;1642113083]The other 4 coronavirus clades circulating in humans commonly infect the same host many times over because each clade has extensive genetic diversity. They would be extinct if not. You may have immunity for very long periods of time against a single genetic variant, but not against all variants within the clade. The same thing will likely happen with SARSCOV2.

We need seasonal influenza vaccines because of antigenic drift — point mutations. Antigenic shift is rare and is not the reason we need annual flu vaccines. Shift leads to events like 2009 pandemic.

We see seasonal outbreaks of Coronaviruses 229E, NL63, OC43, HKU1 in the same way we see seasonality of influenza. Yes they are more genetically stable, but that doesn’t mean you have life long immunity to the clade after one infection lol. SARSCOV2 annual vaccines… prob not. Every few years, probably.[/QUOTE]

You do not catch the same coronavirus strain over and over. Influenza viruses are able to share genes between various types that can infect multiple hosts, hence crossing of bird and swine types of influenza viruses then jump8ng to humans. The saying you don’t catch the same cold twice is actually very true. There are a lot of cold viruses that circulate. As time goes on, covid will be nothing more than that. Before that point, the level of death from it will make it inconsequential in terms of overall mortality (we are at that point now, but many are clinging on, and selling fear to advance profits and agendas). Of the 8,000 or so deaths everyday in the US, 300 attributed to covid is actually pretty low in comparison to risks of obesity, smoking etc.

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1642131603]You do not catch the same coronavirus strain over and over. Influenza viruses are able to share genes between various types that can infect multiple hosts, hence crossing of bird and swine types of influenza viruses then jump8ng to humans. The saying you don’t catch the same cold twice is actually very true. There are a lot of cold viruses that circulate. As time goes on, covid will be nothing more than that. Before that point, the level of death from it will make it inconsequential in terms of overall mortality (we are at that point now, but many are clinging on, and selling fear to advance profits and agendas). Of the 8,000 or so deaths everyday in the US, 300 attributed to covid is actually pretty low in comparison to risks of obesity, smoking etc.[/QUOTE]

I didn’t say strain. I said clade. Many strains exist within any one monophyletic clade of endemic human coronavirus. I guess my point was SARSCOV2 is a clade, and because many strains of the virus will be generated over time, permanent immunity to “SARSCOV2” after one infection or vaccine is unlikely.

And what you described with influenza is called antigenic shift. I was pointing out that counter to what you said, that is not the reason we need vaccines annually for influenza. But you’re right, influenza can swap genes with entirely unrelated influenza viruses and this is pretty unusual with viruses. It’s due in part to the segmented genome.

I hope you’re right and that SARSCOV2 does become another common cold culprit. But I’m not as confident as you are.

[QUOTE=Reliance012;1642132913]I didn’t say strain....[/QUOTE]
Informative knowledge based post, with sensible discussion letting readers learn something. That's unfortunately a rarity, not even NHS or CDC guidance seem willing to do that.

THANK YOU! Reliance and PP

[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1642108253]I was telling my wife and kids about you when we were hiking through the mountains the other day. How even at 62 (guess 63 now, happy birthday)you just get dropped off in the middle of nowhere and hike back solo. I loved the hikes we did in the mountains, but I can’t even fathom carrying enough stuff for a week and trekking solo. I’d need a mule like that guy on grizzly adams.

The stuff I brought barely fit in the cabin and most of it didn’t get used. I’d be like one of those AT through hikers that ditches thousand $ in gear because they bring too much unnecessary $hit and need to lighten their packs 7 miles in :p[/QUOTE]





Sounds like you guys are having a great time on your vacation. That's just wonderful. Yeah, we all have a tendency to take more gear than we need, after all these years I still struggle with it lol. Enjoy the vacation, hope the weather cooperates for you guys..

[QUOTE=Reliance012;1642132913]I didn’t say strain. I said clade. Many strains exist within any one monophyletic clade of endemic human coronavirus. I guess my point was SARSCOV2 is a clade, and because many strains of the virus will be generated over time, permanent immunity to “SARSCOV2” after one infection or vaccine is unlikely.

And what you described with influenza is called antigenic shift. I was pointing out that counter to what you said, that is not the reason we need vaccines annually for influenza. But you’re right, influenza can swap genes with entirely unrelated influenza viruses and this is pretty unusual with viruses. It’s due in part to the segmented genome.

I hope you’re right and that SARSCOV2 does become another common cold culprit. But I’m not as confident as you are.[/QUOTE]

I’ve had two lengthy responses disappear due to site crashing. Overall, I agree the virus will not be eradicated and will persist in small outbreaks primarily in rural areas where low post infection immunity and low vaccine uptake are common. That said, with the numbers already infected and vaccinated it is no longer a public health priority in terms of deaths. Communicable diseases, even mild respiratory diseases kill people, especially elderly and immunocompromised groups. This will be no different than many other diseases that take lives every year.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1642138583]Sounds like you guys are having a great time on your vacation. That's just wonderful. Yeah, we all have a tendency to take more gear than we need, after all these years I still struggle with it lol. Enjoy the vacation, hope the weather cooperates for you guys..[/QUOTE]
We’re back, we checked out on Thursday and drove straight through. It was a long drive back, 10 hrs or so, it poured all the way through Kentucky. It was great and we are planning to book a week next year to do more hiking. We didn’t have enough time, but it was the only dates we found without hopping from one air b&b to another. I wouldn’t move to the immediate area, but would highly consider the surrounding areas for a retirement location. Really loved the views and the weather is reportedly more temperate than many mountainous areas I’ve been to.

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