Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1637843133]None of those figures are at 2 weeks from first vaccination. The most extensively studied one is AZ and it does absolutely nothing (yet) until 10 days or so when they start seeing a slight drop off in infections, but at the 10 day to 2 weeks stage it's still very minor, you need to wait to you get to 4 weeks to get any significant benefits from the first jab, and the higher percentage they like to tell everyone is from > 2weeks after the second dose. This stuff takes time![/QUOTE]

Aware........ and that is why i posted them.
Long term protection 3 weeks after dose 2, if your particular choice requires 2 shots.

[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1637847533]You're both wrong in a way. Tom, you are mostly right in what you are trying to convey, but you're drawing conclusions we don't have evidence for.

You need to realize how we're running these trials. You have drop outs, you have subjects getting a vaccine outside of the study when their name comes up, you have a small number who get sick during the study at which point you test them for COVID 19, and you get a few infections you pick up that aren't symptomatic. In a study with 35-40,000 subjects, you run your evaluation when you get between 50 and 70 confirmed cases, and then you keep re-analyzing it.

We can't tell you how much protection you got at 1 week vs 2 weeks vs 4 weeks vs 2 weeks post shot # 2. The study data doesn't provide the power to do so statistically and the population data doesn't have a high enough resolution either. It's likely a lot of people, especially younger individuals, have a good start on developing some immunity 10 days after their first shot, but people are different, there are multiple viral strains, and we just don't have a way to analyze the efficacy of their antibody levels yet. So saying the vaccine does nothing at day 10 is wrong. Maybe it provides most people with partial immunity so 99.99% would just get the sniffles instead of .2% of them getting put on a vent.

The number's Ben posted are equally uninformative, because the studies are run in different locations, get exposed to different viral strains, they have different visit schedules and they even measure their outcomes a little differently.

I'd avoid trying to read too much into the limited statistical data you learn about online or trying to explain the odds of anecdotal stories about people getting COVID after their vaccine based on what they got an when. I think everyone on this thread is aware that all the vaccines that have EUA seem to provide a significant level of protection, they all probably decrease the severity of COVID 19 infections if you do happen to get it post vaccine, and they're all looking very safe. They're not perfect, but honestly, they're shockingly good for vaccines regardless of how long it took to develop them.[/QUOTE]


So edit my numbers to a range that you feel more comfortable with; start with J+J and work your way down with ***your best ESTIMATES.***

DON'T CHICKEN OUT, we don't judge. :)

I got J&J cos it's only 66%. I don't want to live my life totally safe, I need some risk.

Can we get the shot up the butt? Asking for a friend.

[QUOTE=steffo99;1637854663]Can we get the shot up the butt? Asking for a friend.[/QUOTE]


[img]https://i.imgur.com/6pSkLHs.jpg[/img]

As one nation under god, we should take this one up the butt...but you go first.

Always wanted to leave a great quote for future generations..

[QUOTE=7Seconds;1637848423]Interesting. But to be fair you’re just a dad.[/QUOTE]

That made me laugh. Thank you.
And I do consider that to be my only full time job.


My part time job is probably more relevant to this thread.

[QUOTE=mgftp;1637844583]Just saw someone I work with who I hadn't seen in awhile which I figured was just because of all the WFH stuff and schedules. She had Covid and was hospitalized, very healthy person around 30 years old.


And if she hadn't gotten the vaccine she might have been hospitalized or dead. There.[/QUOTE]



Maybe skinny fitness people aren't so healthy? I know a lady 43 and can dead lift 385 is not skinny but good thick build that had covid, she didn't have any symptoms except the loss of smell/taste, that's the only reason she suspected and got tested.

I'll likely take the shot, but suspect we will have this thread going a year or two with more shots coming. Could be wrong ofc.

[QUOTE=steffo99;1637862333]I'll likely take the shot, but suspect we will have this thread going a year or two with more shots coming. Could be wrong ofc.[/QUOTE]

Hey my friend say swedes are vaccinating the vulnerable first cos they're so snälla snälla...is it true?

[QUOTE=LWW;1637861983]Maybe skinny fitness people aren't so healthy? I know a lady 43 and can dead lift 385 is not skinny but good thick build that had covid, she didn't have any symptoms except the loss of smell/taste, that's the only reason she suspected and got tested.[/QUOTE]

no end to your bullsh!t

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1637862713]no end to your bullsh!t[/QUOTE]

Well, everyone I know that train with weights and DON't train for fitness looks but more for functional strength and are all considered obese have not had any health issues with Covid, so why is that?

btw, I hear you like Recesses PB cups, did you know their peanut butter was an accident? Yeah, they burned a batch of PB, the owner tasted it and said "make every batch like this".

I just bought a batch of no name PB cups, the kind Recesses was trying to make with creamy PB, yeah I noticed the difference. I think they both have a place but the burnt recipe is better.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1637862563]Hey my friend say swedes are vaccinating the vulnerable first cos they're so snälla snälla...is it true?[/QUOTE]
From what I've seen they just divide it up into nice categories like they know what they're doing and shoot ppl up (mostly in the butt as government do) according to age groups, pretty much with a third of doses being wasted (thrown away) since they open no options for us others to sign up for it. I told them my butt is truly ready and got the silent treatment. Oh, well. Wish Cass40 could administer all this.

[QUOTE=steffo99;1637864443]From what I've seen they just divide it up into nice categories like they know what they're doing and shoot ppl up (mostly in the butt I think) according to age groups, pretty much with a third of doses being wasted (thrown away) since they open no options for us others to sign up for it. I told them my butt is ready and got the silent treatment. Oh, well. Wish Cass40 could administer all this.[/QUOTE]

Lol. Go do some heavy squats if u wanna sore butt. ;)

[QUOTE=steffo99;1637864443]From what I've seen they just divide it up into nice categories like they know what they're doing and shoot ppl up (mostly in the butt as government do) according to age groups, pretty much with a third of doses being wasted (thrown away) since they open no options for us others to sign up for it. I told them my butt is truly ready and got the silent treatment. Oh, well. Wish Cass40 could administer all this.[/QUOTE]

Since Cassie-Lassie is a spy, there is documented but top-secret files showing that Cassie did play a nurse - uhmmm, several times :cool:

This post is top-secret. So, if you are not in the government, please just go to the Big misc.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1637864723]Lol. Go do some heavy squats if u wanna sore butt. ;)[/QUOTE]
Will do.....and return with glorious glutes.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1637852713]I got J&J cos it's only 66%. I don't want to live my life totally safe, I need some risk.[/QUOTE]

Exactly the type of woman I am looking for.

[QUOTE=LWW;1637861983]Maybe skinny fitness people aren't so healthy? I know a lady 43 and can dead lift 385 is not skinny but good thick build that had covid, she didn't have any symptoms except the loss of smell/taste, that's the only reason she suspected and got tested.[/QUOTE]

Maybe some of it is just dumb luck?

I only mention age and the fact she isn't obese because of the thought only the old and fat are at risk.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1637864723]Lol. Go do some heavy squats if u wanna sore butt. ;)[/QUOTE]


Better check with Supra on that? Hinge Lifts are butt and hamstrings:)

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[quote]BETHEL PARK, Pa. — It’s been almost three weeks since 33-year-old Rachael Cecere got the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine. She said 12 hours later, she was paralyzed from the neck down.

Channel 11 sat down with Cecere exclusively in her Bethel Park home.

She said she feels that her strength is back in her upper body except for her left hand, making it hard to pick her 3-year-old up daughter, Bristol.

“When I try to pick my daughter up to put her on my lap my left hand just doesn’t feel the strength to get her,” Cecere explained.

Cecere is a single mother and Bristol has been her motivation through it all. Right now, Cecere is doing occupational and physical therapy at Jefferson Hospital yet still has no feeling in either leg and can only move the left one. This is why doctors gave her a prosthetic brace and knee support to keep her leg straight.

“It’s discouraging not having the feeling or sensation in my legs it’s just difficult for me to grasp and understand like when is this going to get better,” Cecere stated.

She was previously at the Cleveland Clinic looking for answers as to what happened.

“I was told multiple times that the diagnosis was an acute distress to the nervous system brought on the COVID-19 vaccine Pfizer,” Cecere explained.

However, she showed Channel 11 her discharge papers and nothing in her diagnosis mentions the COVID-19 vaccine. We spoke with a local infectious disease doctor who said the diagnosis is very vague.

“It doesn’t sound like they are willing to attribute it to the vaccine or any specific medical diagnosis,” Dr. Dave Weber said.

Channel 11 reached back out to Pfizer and received the following additional statement:

“We take adverse events that are potentially associated with our COVID-19 vaccine, BNT162b2, very seriously. We closely monitor all such events and collect relevant information to share with global regulatory authorities. At this time, our ongoing review has not identified any safety signals with paralysis and the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine. To date, more than 200 million people around the world have been vaccinated with our vaccine. It is important to note that serious adverse events that are unrelated to the vaccine are unfortunately likely to occur at a similar rate as they would in the general population.”[/quote]

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None of these azzholes cares about her, BUT if she had covid and had this reaction you'd get ALOT of "this is horrible" BS comments.

[QUOTE=LWW;1637873643]None of these azzholes cares about her, BUT if she had covid and had this reaction you'd get ALOT of "this is horrible" BS comments.[/QUOTE]
yes....

So I'm getting my 1st vaccination shot tomorrow and if I dont return you will know what happened.

Please only think of me as I was young, strong and beautiful, and know that I went down making jokes right up until the moment the conspiracy enriched serum entered my shredded, bowling ball sized deltoid and did its conspiracy thing.

and know that I thought of you all as more than a sequence of glowing pixel bulbs on a screen. Oh my... I feel the words to a beautiful song coming on. Nope, that was gas. :D

[QUOTE=ChazWood;1637876913]yes....

So I'm getting my 1st vaccination shot tomorrow and if I dont return you will know what happened.

Please only think of me as I was young, strong and beautiful, and know that I went down making jokes right up until the moment the conspiracy enriched serum entered my shredded, bowling ball sized deltoid and did its conspiracy thing.

and know that I thought of you all as more than a sequence of glowing pixel bulbs on a screen. Oh my... I feel the words to a beautiful song coming on. Nope, that was gas. :D[/QUOTE]

Thank you for clarifying that if we won't hear from you after today, that it was the vaccine and not cos you're still mad at me and protesting.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1637878463]Thank you for clarifying that if we won't hear from you after today, that it was the vaccine and not cos you're still mad at me and protesting.[/QUOTE]

Why can't it be both? Sometimes it is all Aboot you.

[QUOTE=Corbi;1637878603]Why can't it be both? Sometimes it is all Aboot you.[/QUOTE]

Cos he can't be both mad and ded.

[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1637873263][url]https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/every-day-that-i-work-hard-i-get-closer-being-whole-bethel-park-woman-shares-her-recovery-story-since-being-paralyzed/RVFB5HRHSVAUHCVH56O7YDPZTM/[/url][/QUOTE]

So she suffered from seizures before, it may have had something to do with this.

[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1637873263][url]https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/every-day-that-i-work-hard-i-get-closer-being-whole-bethel-park-woman-shares-her-rec
overy-story-since-being-paralyzed/RVFB5HRHSVAUHCVH56O7YDPZTM/[/url][/QUOTE]

One of my colleagues suffered partial paralysis 12 days post her first AZ vaccine shot. She has been hospitalised for the past 4 weeks and is thankfully recovering, she has been diagnosed with Guillain-Barrie syndrome, an extremely rare condition which can cause partial or even complete paralysis. The doctors cannot directly attribute the condition to the AZ vaccine, however they are not able to rule it out.

Generally paralysis occurs after a virus or infection, but it has been linked to a number of vaccines, including the flu jab.

[url]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/guillain-barre-syndrome.html[/url]

[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1637873263][url]https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/every-day-that-i-work-hard-i-get-closer-being-whole-bethel-park-woman-shares-her-recovery-story-since-being-paralyzed/RVFB5HRHSVAUHCVH56O7YDPZTM/[/url][/QUOTE]

Looked at the article and this one sounds psycho****tic. It happened too quickly and doesn't fit with Guillain-Barre or a transverse myelitis. Sad either way. That said, if you want to find some actual scary complications that could be associated with a vaccine, those two, GB and a transverse myelitis would be good ones. A stroke would be another. It's scary to think that those could be brought on by a vaccine you willing get, isn't it? In the J&J trials, I believe they actually had two cases of Guillain-Barre. Of course only one was in the active arm, and the other one was in the placebo arm. So can we say the vaccine caused the one in the active arm? Nope. We don't have enough evidence. But it might have contributed.

Again, scary...

So now think about the mechanism of action for those potential reactions to the vaccine. We give you a vaccine that causes you to produce some antigen that's present on the virus, and your immune response to the antigen also triggers an auto immune reaction. That would suck, but if you'd caught the actual virus, you would have had even more of that antigen floating around your body for a significantly longer period of time, and who knows how bad it could have been.

Back in the seventies when we tried to vaccinate everyone against H1N1, one of the vaccines was associated with an increase in Guillain Barre, and my understanding is that the association derailed the vaccine program. What the stat's later showed is that the actual virus probably also caused an increase in GB. But that increase gets drowned out by the background noise. If your incidence of GB goes from 20/million to 22/million this year because of COVID 19, you probably won't know. You'll go from 6000 to 6600, and the annual variability drowns that out. Also, it could just be due to stress and not the virus.

We've had 30 million documented COVID 19 infections, and if we divide 600 increased cases of GB by 30, the risk would be around 20/million, so it would double the baseline for that population. If we pretend only 30million people have been infected, your risk of getting COVID would be about 10%/year, so your GB risk would be increased 2/million/year. We've vaccinated over 8million people with the J&J vaccine, but we aren't hearing about an increased incidence of GB in that population.

So be logical. Think about how the vaccine causes these serious reactions, and what the relative risk of having a reaction from the vaccine is versus the risk of having that reaction due to the virus. It's likely you'll be fine if you don't get vaccinated. But the vaccines are so much safer than the virus that unless you live in a plastic bubble, the probability you'll be fine are much better if you do get the vaccine. As an analogy, you can gamble like an amateur who doesn't use statistics or you can think like a professional poker player and count the cards. Up to you.

Richard,
I've had this post window open for over an hour and typed this between meetings and calls, so I didn't see your post until after I hit OK to post mine. I didn't choose to discuss GB because of your friend, and want you to know it wasn't to minimalize or deny the possible relationship. I would definitely be suspicious it could be associated. In my trials, we consider it possibly related, and report it as a SUSAR. Hope your friend makes a fast and complete recovery.

I overheard in a New York City sewer:

Rat #1: Yo, bro. Did you take the rona jab?

Rat #2: Not yet, bruh. I am still waiting for the human test results.

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1637849083]So edit my numbers to a range that you feel more comfortable with; start with J+J and work your way down with ***your best ESTIMATES.***

DON'T CHICKEN OUT, we don't judge. :)[/QUOTE]

I really can't Ben. This explains why better than I could in a post:

[url]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext#:~:text=Ranking%20by%20reported%20efficacy%20gives,for%20the%20AstraZeneca%E2%80%93Oxford%20vaccines[/url].