[QUOTE=mtpockets;1652540683]Biden: U.S. has ordered enough Pfizer anti-viral pills to treat 10 million Americans
Not nearly enough, mofo's be fighting over them[/QUOTE] They probably just repackaged Ivermectin and called it "Job Done"
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1652540683]Biden: U.S. has ordered enough Pfizer anti-viral pills to treat 10 million Americans
Not nearly enough, mofo's be fighting over them[/QUOTE] They probably just repackaged Ivermectin and called it "Job Done"
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1652535173]To me, it is a simple answer: The media would have reported it as such. Not up to me to define "super-spreader." Of the literally hundreds of thousands of people who have gone to games, packed shoulder-to-shoulder, there would have been massive outbreaks beyond our imagination already.[/QUOTE]
"Not up to (you) to define", but you did just set the criteria. "massive outbreaks beyond our imagination"
Also, are you really asking the media to define something we don't have a good way to watch for and saying it doesn't exist because we don't have a way to do that?
Or, are you saying you won't define it, but that you are imposing a condition on the definition that's impossible to fulfill? Because this isn't a movie virus where an entire seating section at the stadium is going to dissolve into a puddle of goo.
I'd probably define a super spreader event as a situation where one person infects several at a single event. So If one person shows up with SARS CoV2 at a football game and 5 people or more are infected by them, that would have been a super spreader event to me. It'll get lost in the wash even if it occurs 20 times at the same game which is one reason I don't think concerts or sporting events are going to have a huge impact on this pandemic. Heck, I've been to the Garth Brooks concert fiasco and a Gabriel Iglesias show this year as well as college football games, and I'm going to the UNC game in a week or so. I also bought Live Nation's stock a week or two ago when it dipped. None of which means I recommend the risks or would downplay them to others like you seem to. I just don't worry about it much for myself because I'm careful. I'm vaccinated and I wear an N95 mask when I have any concerns.
[QUOTE=Tommy W.;1652541913]They probably just repackaged Ivermectin and called it "Job Done"[/QUOTE]
I just ordered a bunch of that today.
Granted it's called Heart Guard and it's for the pups, but I really did. 6 month supply for 3 dogs. $$$
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652544053]I just don't worry about it much for myself because I'm careful. I'm vaccinated and I wear an N95 mask when I have any concerns.
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this is pointless if you believe the rhetoric...
the powers that be have convinced us that masks only stop the virus from being exhaled as opposed to being inhaled...
that's the premise of all of this..
zero accountability expected from the individual, therefore EVERYONE must adhere to the golden rule because we're all idiots...
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652544053]"Not up to (you) to define", but you did just set the criteria. "massive outbreaks beyond our imagination"
Also, are you really asking the media to define something we don't have a good way to watch for and saying it doesn't exist because we don't have a way to do that?
Or, are you saying you won't define it, but that you are imposing a condition on the definition that's impossible to fulfill? Because this isn't a movie virus where an entire seating section at the stadium is going to dissolve into a puddle of goo.
I'd probably define a super spreader event as a situation where one person infects several at a single event. So If one person shows up with SARS CoV2 at a football game and 5 people or more are infected by them, that would have been a super spreader event to me. It'll get lost in the wash even if it occurs 20 times at the same game which is one reason I don't think concerts or sporting events are going to have a huge impact on this pandemic. Heck, I've been to the Garth Brooks concert fiasco and a Gabriel Iglesias show this year as well as college football games, and I'm going to the UNC game in a week or so. I also bought Live Nation's stock a week or two ago when it dipped. None of which means I recommend the risks or would downplay them to others like you seem to. I just don't worry about it much for myself because I'm careful. I'm vaccinated and I wear an N95 mask when I have any concerns.
I just ordered a bunch of that today.
Granted it's called Heart Guard and it's for the pups, but I really did. 6 month supply for 3 dogs. $$$[/QUOTE]
If the NBA, NFL, MLB, MLS, NHL all thought that the now millions of people packed into their stadiums are causing any kind of spreader event, you would think the alarms will go off. They haven't stopped anything.
Not asking the media to define anything, but they have in the recent past projected that stadiums filled with people would probably cause super-spreader events, but they were wrong.
Here is one definition of super-spreader event and defined as a little more serious than your definition:
[i]A superspreading event is one in which a single infected individual infects an "unusually high" number of secondary cases (Lloyd-Smith et al. 2005); what constitutes unusually high varies by disease, but as an example, tracing of 77 SARS cases in Beijing in 2004 showed that four patients transmitted to eight or more other individuals, seven transmitted to there or fewer contacts, and the remaining patients had no evidence of onward transmission (Shen et al. 2004). Superspreading events have been documented for many infectious diseases. For example, during the 2003 SARS epidemic, based on mathematical modeling, it was estimated that nearly 75% of infections in Hong Kong and Singapore were the result of superspreading events (Li et al. 2004). Further, London researchers have estimated that around 10% of infectious individuals may be responsible for approximately 80% of secondary SARS-CoV-2 transmissions (Endo et al. 2020). [/i]
[url]https://advances.massgeneral.org/pulmonary/article.aspx?id=1285[/url]
[QUOTE=PlanoLifter;1652520323]After 18 months he's running again (he was able to start 1-2 months back). Not marathon distances yet - just 1-2 km. But he's on the right track.[/QUOTE]
Awesome!
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1652548653]If the NBA, NFL, MLB, MLS, NHL all thought that the now millions of people packed into their stadiums are causing any kind of spreader event, you would think the alarms will go off. They haven't stopped anything.
Not asking the media to define anything, but they have in the recent past projected that stadiums filled with people would probably cause super-spreader events, but they were wrong.
Here is one definition of super-spreader event and defined as a little more serious than your definition:
[i]A superspreading event is one in which a single infected individual infects an "unusually high" number of secondary cases (Lloyd-Smith et al. 2005); what constitutes unusually high varies by disease, but as an example, tracing of 77 SARS cases in Beijing in 2004 showed that four patients transmitted to eight or more other individuals, seven transmitted to there or fewer contacts, and the remaining patients had no evidence of onward transmission (Shen et al. 2004). Superspreading events have been documented for many infectious diseases. For example, during the 2003 SARS epidemic, based on mathematical modeling, it was estimated that nearly 75% of infections in Hong Kong and Singapore were the result of superspreading events (Li et al. 2004). Further, London researchers have estimated that around 10% of infectious individuals may be responsible for approximately 80% of secondary SARS-CoV-2 transmissions (Endo et al. 2020). [/i]
[url]https://advances.massgeneral.org/pulmonary/article.aspx?id=1285[/url][/QUOTE]
Food for thought.
A state like MD has 6 million people and a daily covid positive count of 1,800 now +/-, so the odds of contracting it are fairly small unless exposure was direct and intense with no super duper filtration system.
Many of the stadiums in the metro DC area are open stadiums except basketball and hockey, so fresh air is a bonus "safety" measure.
Oceanside
I'm not sure what the rhetoric on masks is now, but I do know Tony et al screwed up a bit trying to prevent people from hording N95s early on by implying they weren't necessary to protect yourself. I did donate quite a few to a hospital in Florida after all theirs were stolen, but I also found some that are really comfortable so why not...
Mark, by the math in that paragraph, my 20 individuals passing the virus to 5 each seems to meet the criteria. Those patients described spread SARS to less than 5 per on average.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652553863] Tony et al screwed up a bit trying to prevent people from hording N95s early on by implying they weren't necessary to protect yourself. [/QUOTE]
No you are incorrect, Tony knew it was fuking bull$hit as a professional scientist. But he later on learned he had to go with what crazy china would do.
Watch his expression if you can still find the video, he was talk real talk there, he even laughed. The majority of the public didn't give a fuk or even know what N95 mask is, a piece of thin cloth was all the panic stricken nutz cared about.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1652535463]Weird, you don't need to be married to be a man. Many men are unmarried, In some respects they are more of a man than someone who is hitched and does something against their wishes because someone else wanted them to or runs and hides not to do it, that doesn't sound manly to me, just the opposite.
What about couples living together? Can you be a man in your world if you haven't said I do? Just how does it work under your rock anyways?
Pretty much how a relationship should work, respect each others choices. At the end of the day it's their body, their choice. That doesn't mean you have to agree with their decision, but respect and support it in the end.
What's a boaster? If you mean booster, Time will tell.
Sad, you should be able to be honest about it not run and hide to avoid getting a shot.[/QUOTE]
I had a whole bunch of whaling BS in this post and with a :D it was about you being married to the military, whatever it's been said over and over.
After reading Chaz's post in the BH thread, I decided to remove it and work on the chill game...............
Lawrence Dude, u just made my day. That's how we're going to make it. Baby steps like in the movie "What aboot Bob" haha! However u get there, it's aboot Love. Starts with yurself, and grows from there. I reckon it's as much as u can fill yur heart with. Hate is control.
DO NOT punish me for this vulnerability, plz. Cass.... :D
EDIT: and I saw what u did with the edit Lawrence, butt that's cool. :D
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1652553143]Food for thought.
A state like MD has 6 million people and a daily covid positive count of 1,800 now +/-, so the odds of contracting it are fairly small unless exposure was direct and intense with no super duper filtration system.
Many of the stadiums in the metro DC area are open stadiums except basketball and hockey, so fresh air is a bonus "safety" measure.[/QUOTE]
How many basketball stadiums are open? Or, maybe that doesn't count. Really doesn't matter if open if people are packed together like sardines.
Open, but packed = safety? Please.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1652512803]Right on Plano, let us know how it goes with any side effects..
I have mine booked for the 23rd, Pfizer as well, 5 and a half months since my 2nd shot[/QUOTE]
So far (14 hours post jab) no side effects other than very mild discomfort at the injection site when I raise my arm above my shoulder. Same for my wife.
Speaking about being safe in events didn’t they stop just letting people crowd in concerts after people at The Who concerts died in the 70s that very thing happened recently.
And then there was that VEgas massacre.
Seems like Covid is the least of the problems with events safety.
[QUOTE=LWW;1652559343]I decided to remove it and work on the chill game...............[/QUOTE]
Awesome, I am looking forward to Tater Tot 2.0
[QUOTE=PlanoLifter;1652575963]So far (14 hours post jab) no side effects other than very mild discomfort at the injection site when I raise my arm above my shoulder. Same for my wife.[/QUOTE]
That's great Plano for the both of you guys, hope it continues... If anything changes let us know.
My booster is scheduled for the 23rd so I still have time to chicken out :D
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1652519773]You're right and wrong. Close contact will increase the risk of getting a high load of the virus, but .5 micron particles can take hours to settle and are large enough to carry the virus. The mall would be low risk if you stay out of stores and avoid everyone, but people can draw the line wherever they like. That said, if a business or person asks you to wear a mask, you should wear one without complaining. It's just common courtesy now and you look foolish getting your panties in a bunch over something so easy to do.
I was at a guitar store buying my son's Christmas present yesterday and this guy and his wife, probably mid 70's, read the sign on the door which said masks are required. The guy opened the door, asked the owner if masks were really required, and then said he was going to the guitar center 20 minutes away. His wife gave him an annoyed look and we laughed as they drove off. They were going to find the same policy at the guitar center and every music store in Raleigh. I'd actually come from the guitar center. So basically that couple can't try any instruments before they buy and were just wasting time and gas driving around while he annoyed his wife. They did put on seat belts when they got into their car and drove off though.[/QUOTE]
Is that a business, local, or state mandate for that business? He could likely drive far enough to find a business without any mandates. Here, you can drive 30 min to another business that doesn't have mandates on masks, which aren't proven to work or be effective.
JRE 1747 sure was an interesting listen. [url]https://open.spotify.com/episode/0aZte37vtFTkYT7b0b04Qz?si=9e8f43a405704aac[/url]
I'd love for someone to refute this well-published doctor on the plandemic.
i'm 2.5yrs from 20 years time in service (reserves), gonna have to if i want to finish it out.
fukkin blows but throwing all of it away, a retirement, base access, conus & oconus space a flights and retirement healthcare for the rest of my life...? nah. as much as its sum bullchit, it is what it is.
[QUOTE=friesbruh;1652578743]i'm 2.5yrs from 20 years time in service (reserves), gonna have to if i want to finish it out.
fukkin blows but throwing all of it away, a retirement, base access, conus & oconus space a flights and retirement healthcare for the rest of my life...? nah. as much as its sum bullchit, it is what it is.[/QUOTE]
It is what it is I suppose, I would do the same in your shoes. Good luck Brother
Is there a tax that we can pay to stop COVID, or does that only work for climate change?
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1652580433]Is there a tax that we can pay to stop COVID, or does that only work for climate change?[/QUOTE]
If those damn republicans just sign on, it will prevent more tornadoes and hurricanes.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1652581663]If those damn republicans just sign on, it will prevent more tornadoes and hurricanes.
Thanks![/QUOTE]
We just got the tail end of those tornadoes, here and there's a couple of hundred thousand without electricity and trees down all over the place.
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1652574143]How many basketball stadiums are open? Or, maybe that doesn't count. Really doesn't matter if open if people are packed together like sardines.
Open, but packed = safety? Please.[/QUOTE]
Well my point is that if i attend a Wizards game in a closed stadium people are masked and vaccinated and told not to come if symptoms exist. Plus if only 2,000 cases a day exist currently the odds are low.
Additionally how long must I breathe in their carbon dioxide to catch it if they are asymptomatic.?
At least a packed open stadium has massive air changes.
I have sports talk on all day while working and they just said that the air filtration system at the arena was changed and upgraded.
[QUOTE=supramax;1652582313]We just got the tail end of those tornadoes, here and there's a couple of hundred thousand without electricity and trees down all over the place.[/QUOTE]
Hoping you and your community are safe.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1652582653]Well my point is that if i attend a Wizards game in a closed stadium people are masked and vaccinated and told not to come if symptoms exist. Plus if only 2,000 cases a day exist currently the odds are low.
Additionally how long must I breathe in their carbon dioxide to catch it if they are asymptomatic.?
At least a packed open stadium has massive air changes.
I have sports talk on all day while working and they just said that the air filtration system at the arena was changed and upgraded.[/QUOTE]
Your points are always respected, Ben. I just think that some of the rationale of our politicians and media are hypocritical because of the obvious.
Happy Holidays.
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1652583003]Hoping you and your community are safe... Happy Holidays.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. We lost power for two hours, the big oak lost quite a few branches and enough tiles came off the roof that we'll need a new roof in the Spring. It's minor compared to the devastation in Kentucky and other places in the States.
So the Calgary flames have 17 people in covid protocol, the Rams 11, and the Redskins have 16, this thing isn't going away soon.
How can they even play a game?
[QUOTE=Mark1T;1652583003]Hoping you and your community are safe.
Your points are always respected, Ben. I just think that some of the rationale of our politicians and media are hypocritical because of the obvious.
Happy Holidays.[/QUOTE]
Well politicians and the media work for eachother so I never look to them.
Ok maybe the local politicians.
Happy holidays to you also.
I just made an appointment for my 78 year old Dad to get the booster after Christmas. He refused it for awhile but his Dr. wants him to get it.
He would say that he was waiting for Sleepy Joe and Giggles to come to his house and give him the booster :)
[QUOTE=_zman;1652578463]Is that a business, local, or state mandate for that business? He could likely drive far enough to find a business without any mandates. Here, you can drive 30 min to another business that doesn't have mandates on masks, which aren't proven to work or be effective.
JRE 1747 sure was an interesting listen. [url]https://open.spotify.com/episode/0aZte37vtFTkYT7b0b04Qz?si=9e8f43a405704aac[/url]
I'd love for someone to refute this well-published doctor on the plandemic.[/QUOTE]
If you have the time, it's worth the listen. I haven't finished it yet, but it's been interesting to say the least.
[QUOTE=litljay;1652584673]If you have the time, it's worth the listen. I haven't finished it yet, but it's been interesting to say the least.[/QUOTE]
I'll likely listen to it again. I liked how he danced around it being one big conspiracy but all his facts and knowledge clearly point towards it.
[QUOTE=_zman;1652578463]Is that a business, local, or state mandate for that business? He could likely drive far enough to find a business without any mandates. Here, you can drive 30 min to another business that doesn't have mandates on masks, which aren't proven to work or be effective.
[/QUOTE]
There's a mandate.
Also, I had been to every guitar shop within an hours drive of that one before I bought a(nuther) guitar. They all have mask requirements and that shop, which is quite nice, even had a box of masks sitting by the door with a sign saying feel free to take one.
The guy was just making his and his wife's lives more difficult and limiting his options. They said he was the second person to do that in the past week.
[QUOTE=_zman;1652578463]JRE 1747 sure was an interesting listen. [url]https://open.spotify.com/episode/0aZte37vtFTkYT7b0b04Qz?si=9e8f43a405704aac[/url][/QUOTE]
That's the cardiologist who is getting in trouble for continuing to pretend he's affiliated with Baylor but doing quite well for himself by pretending he knows something about COVID and epidemiology. Bayor actually had to get a restraining order against him since he's no longer with them.
I've heard him speak but wasn't even slightly impressed. Being very familiar with his material, it was easy to see that a lot of what he said was laughable. The only question is whether it's intentional misinterpretation of data or he's got something else going on. I'm not going to listen to him again. I'll stick with Joe Rogan for that type scientific data ;)
One of my co workers is out with Covid for the second time. He had it just before I did last year. He's only 26 years old and unvaccinated (not that it matters). He's working from home with mild symptoms. No idea if he has the new variant or not. I wonder how rare it is to get Covid twice? Think I'll do a quick search..........