Will you get vaccinated?

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1644818183]
OK. It's like they change their recommendations based on the science. Crazy :D

Seriously though the point was you have sloths like LWW that would take his advice from gym bros on ******** before actual scientist. Perfect or not that's kinda retarded but whateves. I couldn't care less about what others are doing and I wish the non-vaxxed the best of luck, serious. I don't wish bad on any of them.[/QUOTE]
The science was there before the statement was made. But agree there is misinformation everywhere, unfortunately from sources who we should expect the truth from.

San Francisco Mayor London Breed announced Thursday that customers in “high-contact” indoor sectors, like restaurants and gyms, must show proof of vaccination starting August 20. Employees will need to show proof by October 13.

[B]Persuasion, not coercion or incentivisation, is the best means of promoting COVID-19 vaccination[/B]

[url]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7843207/[/url]

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1644799563]Sure ill take my advice from folks who pump all sorts of chemicals into their body for aesthetics. /rolleyes

People spend their lives studying this **** but some dumb ass conspiracy nut jobs flood the interweb with bogus info and now we have seemingly smart people acting like the CDC are morons. Fuken LOL.[/QUOTE]

For many people it's not being anti-vax, it's being anti-human guinea pig. There's already an established track record of the USG administering dangerous drugs and improper vaccines to the American people. Some of us prefer to wait.

ITs gonna be fun being a sloth and surpassing JT in a couple years. Watch out guy, I’m gomna Cruz pass you y’all!!!

[QUOTE=LWW;1644824183]ITs gonna be fun being a sloth and surpassing JT in a couple years. Watch out guy, I’m gomna Cruz pass you y’all!!![/QUOTE]
haha! Dude, I believe u believe that, which is awesome!

Frankly, this place would likely be deadsville without u and MTP going at it. :D

[QUOTE=ChazWood;1644826673]haha! Dude, I believe u believe that, which is awesome!

Frankly, this place would likely be deadsville without u and MTP going at it. :D[/QUOTE]


I don't know if these guys think someone can't improve or something? When I was 21-22 I was a sloth, I worked up to a 230# bench (which I'm working on now), but I would dead lift 180 for like 8-10 and think that was a workout, with crappy form too. I can do over double that weight now 20 years later and I feel I finally found my form, after 20 years, I'm finally getting it right, so I should be setting the world a blaze in the next few years!

Charlie, right on, and you like to "powercurl":D that's my kind a bodybuilder!!!

[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1644821693]For many people it's not being anti-vax, it's being anti-human guinea pig. There's already an established track record of the USG administering dangerous drugs and improper vaccines to the American people. Some of us prefer to wait.[/QUOTE]Spot on! All I've ever wanted was more time to obtain and decipher information about how these injections ultimately affect people. (Medically speaking, this is not a vaccine. If you don't know what I'm talking about, and you're vaccinated, don't tell me you made an informed decision)

I know there are severe side affects for many. There are breathing issues, blood clotting issues, and death for some.

I know, 'statistically it's not that many' who suffer and/or die post injections. So, no big deal. Really? Well, statistically, not many are presently dying from COVID.

But what else? What more information? Well, ya gotta dig for it.

A study out of Israel recently raised the question of whether the current variants are not being caused by those who have acquired natural immunity, but by those who have gotten the shots. Numerous virologists are saying that this makes the most sense, given how viruses, immunity, and variants work. Interesting, the vaccinated are the spreaders of variants. Personally, I'm still looking into this. I actually have access to a couple of expert infectious disease experts, which is a good thing.

[QUOTE=LWW;1644832323]I don't know if these guys think someone can't improve or something? When I was 21-22 I was a sloth, I worked up to a 230# bench (which I'm working on now), but I would dead lift 180 for like 8-10 and think that was a workout, with crappy form too. I can do over double that weight now 20 years later and I feel I finally found my form, after 20 years, I'm finally getting it right, so I should be setting the world a blaze in the next few years!

Charlie, right on, and you like to "powercurl":D that's my kind a bodybuilder!!![/QUOTE]
Haha! Right on, brother. Maintaining vitality is the key to aging optimally, IMHO. We've done all the dumbchit and can really focus on constructive priorities, thanks to the wisdom gained from doing the dumbchit. :D

As for setting the world ablaze, well, u may just have to settle for torching this place. :p

[QUOTE=KeepItMoving;1644832493]Spot on! All I've ever wanted was more time to obtain and decipher information about how these injections ultimately affect people. (Medically speaking, this is not a vaccine. If you don't know what I'm talking about, and you're vaccinated, don't tell me you made an informed decision)

I know there are severe side affects for many. There are breathing issues, blood clotting issues, and death for some.

I know, 'statistically it's not that many' who suffer and/or die post injections. So, no big deal. Really? Well, statistically, not many are presently dying from COVID.

But what else? What more information? Well, ya gotta dig for it.

A study out of Israel recently raised the question of whether the current variants are not being caused by those who have acquired natural immunity, but by those who have gotten the shots. Numerous virologists are saying that this makes the most sense, given how viruses, immunity, and variants work. Interesting, the vaccinated are the spreaders of variants. Personally, I'm still looking into this. I actually have access to a couple of expert infectious disease experts, which is a good thing.[/QUOTE]
Dude, OMG! u should hold a symposium!

I would totally stream it. u always entertain me. :D

[QUOTE=LWW;1644832323]I don't know if these guys think someone can't improve or something? When I was 21-22 I was a sloth, I worked up to a 230# bench (which I'm working on now), but I would dead lift 180 for like 8-10 and think that was a workout, with crappy form too. I can do over double that weight now 20 years later and I feel I finally found my form, after 20 years, I'm finally getting it right, so I should be setting the world a blaze in the next few years!

Charlie, right on, and you like to "powercurl":D that's my kind a bodybuilder!!![/QUOTE]

Dam right young bro

[QUOTE=blue9steel;1644808043]No one has time for nuanced rational conversations these days but let me try anyways.

Any sort of public policy has to benefit the potential good (reduced transmission) with the potential harm (reduced freedom, impaired breathing, social interaction consequences of a covered face, etc.) Additionally you need to consider both current and future compliance with any mandates as telling people to do things they're not going to comply with actually lowers your ability to get them to do things in the future. If the risk is high, the harms are low and most people are going to comply then it make sense. If the risk and harms are balanced and compliance is going to be low then it's actually probably not a good idea. Human lives don't have infinite value, for example we don't ban cars just because 60k people a year die in traffic accidents, especially as there is a notion that individuals are allowed to take risks if they choose as long as it doesn't have excessive impact on everyone else.

Risk of death & permanent injury for people who are vaccinated is pretty low, ditto for children. At this point anyone who wanted to be vaccinated has had plenty of opportunity to do so and the rest have made their choices and can take their chances. I'd say broad mask mandates are likely unwarranted, but I think the case can be made is some narrow cases where the risk is especially high. It's time to accept that COVID is going to be with us from now on and things will never completely go back to the way they were before, that doesn't mean every year should look like 2020 in terms of restrictions and mitigation measures.[/QUOTE]

Kudos!! Makes sense…

For those that are skeptical about the vaccine, ask everyone that you know who had it to describe in detail what it was like for them. It varies widely, but some experiences are real eye openers. It isn't something to be toyed with unless you are one of the lucky ones, and so far, no one can tell us or predict with accuracy who will be lucky.

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1644849863]For those that are skeptical about the vaccine, ask everyone that you know who had it to describe in detail what it was like for them. It varies widely, but some experiences are real eye openers. It isn't something to be toyed with unless you are one of the lucky ones, and so far, no one can tell us or predict with accuracy who will be lucky.[/QUOTE]

Dunno which world you live in.

I know several people who got moderna/pfizer/JJ.

Even know some overseas who got the China vaccine.

No severe or adverse reactions from the vaccine. Did get some symptoms for a day or so maybe.

Also know people who got covid. They regret not getting the vaccine while they were suffering…

I am vaccined and will get booster also if one comes out cuz this chit is real. Hundreds of millions have gotten the vaccine and are doing fine. This might be different in 2 to 5 yrs lol but till then this is the choice I made

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1644849863]For those that are skeptical about the vaccine, ask everyone that you know who had it to describe in detail what it was like for them. It varies widely, but some experiences are real eye openers. It isn't something to be toyed with unless you are one of the lucky ones, and so far, no one can tell us or predict with accuracy who will be lucky.[/QUOTE]

Why? About 200 million people in the US have had that vaccine, why would asking random experiences be of any interest to me?

[QUOTE=TryingBB;1644850443]Dunno which world you live in.

I know several people who got moderna/pfizer/JJ.

Even know some overseas who got the China vaccine.

No severe or adverse reactions from the vaccine. Did get some symptoms for a day or so maybe.

Also know people who got covid. They regret not getting the vaccine while they were suffering…

I am vaccined and will get booster also if one comes out cuz this chit is real. Hundreds of millions have gotten the vaccine and are doing fine. This might be different in 2 to 5 yrs lol but till then this is the choice I made[/QUOTE]

I live in both and am Pfizered.
The point was that it is interesting to see and learn what some people have gone through.
I find the information interesting because it varies so widely. Even the duration of taste and smell vanishing varies from person to person.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1644850673]Why? About 200 million people in the US have had that vaccine, why would asking random experiences be of any interest to me?[/QUOTE]

This would be from people that you actually like and care about. I have found that experiences vary widely and I find it interesting.
The way they describe the breathing difficulties is particularly captivating, small steps walking, weight loss from not tasting food. If this thing is gonna be around for some time, then we might as well get our heads around all of the pieces.

[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1644851323]This would be from people that you actually like and care about. I have found that experiences vary widely and I find it interesting.
The way they describe the breathing difficulties is particularly captivating, small steps walking, weight loss from not tasting food. If this thing is gonna be around for some time, then we might as well get our heads around all of the pieces.[/QUOTE]

Oh I see what you're saying. Yes, that's why I never wanted the flu shot because of the side effects. Didn't make sense to intentionally make you sick when you never get sick. From the J&J I never got any side effects so I thought people are faking their symptoms but I can see this becoming a thing, and just because someone had the vaccine once, doesn't mean they want to keep taking it every year, especially if they get horrible side effects.

[QUOTE=Cass40;1644852183]Oh I see what you're saying. Yes, that's why I never wanted the flu shot because of the side effects. Didn't make sense to intentionally make you sick when you never get sick. From the J&J I never got any side effects so I thought people are faking their symptoms but I can see this becoming a thing, and just because someone had the vaccine once, doesn't mean they want to keep taking it every year, especially if they get horrible side effects.[/QUOTE]

My experience with the flu shot was getting the flu badly that year so I never did it again, but this thing is a little different based on my many friends and family's stories. I am addicted to breathing :) and although there is no guarantee from a vax, the alternative sounds pretty bad. It hasn't really stopped me from doing things, but the people around me definitely stopped many many activities.

If this thing keeps mutating and changing then I guess I will have to consider vax number 3 if my antibodies are super low or gone. Oh well......

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[QUOTE=Cass40;1644850673]Why? About 200 million people in the US have had that vaccine, why would asking random experiences be of any interest to me?[/QUOTE]

I thought 350 million Americans got the vaccine?

[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1644821693]For many people it's not being anti-vax, it's being anti-human guinea pig. There's already an established track record of the USG administering dangerous drugs and improper vaccines to the American people. Some of us prefer to wait.[/QUOTE]

I never used the term anti-vax? I don't conflate those who don't get the c19 shot to that group of asshats. I understood the logic behind it when they first rolled out but now...I'm thinking many are just doubling down to double down.

I'm all for you or anyone making the choice you think is right for you. Me, I got the vax because I'm anti covid and was willing to take the chance. If that's not you - great. I'll live with my consequences if the vax fuks me up down the road while those who choose not to get it need to live with their choices.

Not sure why I've not seen this before but I quite like the reasonable and more big picture approach advocated here:

[url=https://gbdeclaration.org/]Great Barrington Declaration[/url]

I don't know why the concept of "Focused Protection" hasn't gotten more traction. If we started with a sensible message like this, I think we could have avoided some of the fallacious and extreme options that are being baked into pro-vax and anti-vax camps. Well, I guess I do know why and that's because non-sensational and nuanced thinking doesn't get good ratings or make for good politics.

[quote]
The Great Barrington Declaration – As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.

Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.

Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.

As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.

The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection.

Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.

Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity[/quote]

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1644856683]I never used the term anti-vax? I don't conflate those who don't get the c19 shot to that group of asshats. I understood the logic behind it when they first rolled out but now...I'm thinking many are just doubling down to double down.

I'm all for you or anyone making the choice you think is right for you. Me, I got the vax because I'm anti covid and was willing to take the chance. If that's not you - great. I'll live with my consequences if the vax fuks me up down the road while those who choose not to get it need to live with their choices.[/QUOTE]

Well written. I am the same. I got the vax, but I don't judge anyone, nor do I call people who don't get the vax "anti-vaxxers." It just sows more division and it is what the politicians and MSM want. It is a phenomenon that social media like ******** and Twitter people take sides and make it political and they argue all day and all night.

I will debate about certain subjects, but in the right place and only if I can back up my thoughts.

[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1644779933]This is for all gubmint nuthugging racist statists who think [b]anti vaxxers are a bunch of uneducated red neck hicks who live in trailer parks[/b].



[url]https://summit.news/2021/08/11/study-finds-most-highly-educated-americans-are-also-the-most-vaccine-hesitant/?fbclid=IwAR3lnNoZbdsJ9EhNX2plP-xrH7UL6cR1dixrGTIFM3P25l4UFG0p0ZTjc8U[/url][/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Mark1T;1644861393]Well written. I am the same. I got the vax, but I don't judge anyone, nor do I call people who don't get the vax "anti-vaxxers." It just sows more division and it is what the politicians and MSM want. It is a phenomenon that social media like ******** and Twitter people take sides and make it political and they argue all day and all night.

I will debate about certain subjects, but in the right place and only if I can back up my thoughts.[/QUOTE]

Yes exactly and this can be summarized in the phrase "you do you"

You don't have to ask is someone is anti mask or vax, similar to vegans, they will tell you immediately

Someone asked me if my parents got vaxxed. I didn't answer. He muttered something about anti-vaxxers. Funny (not really) how his thinking is.

My parents are vaxxed. I thought it was none of his business. I'm weird that way.

[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644862713]You don't have to ask is someone is anti mask or vax, similar to vegans, they will tell you immediately[/QUOTE]

I never bring it up, i just follow the rules from last year and hope they still apply in 2021.

[QUOTE=Jtbny;1644856683]I never used the term anti-vax? I don't conflate those who don't get the c19 shot to that group of asshats. I understood the logic behind it when they first rolled out but now...I'm thinking many are just doubling down to double down.

I'm all for you or anyone making the choice you think is right for you. Me, I got the vax because I'm anti covid and was willing to take the chance. If that's not you - great. I'll live with my consequences if the vax fuks me up down the road while those who choose not to get it need to live with their choices.[/QUOTE]

Good post, and if you don't have any lasting side effects after a few weeks, you're good to go. We've never had a long term side effect show up months or years later even with the traditional vaccines like J&J's, and it's essentially impossible with the mRNA ones since they can't get into the cell nucleus.
I have wondered about people now refusing the vaccine because they are trying to be consistent with what they have said or done in the past. Kinda sad if that's really what's happening.