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[QUOTE=LWW;1644795953]You only get fat and obese if you do it everyday and slack on training, when one is in the middle of an intense program having an eating contest is fun and the calories are well used in the gym.
It’s not the healthiest thing but I’ve seen guys in the 80s who did this stuff, they held national records and here they are pushing age 70 and are lean.[/QUOTE]
You're fat, does it help you with your lifts?
Also are you pro vaccine or anti vaccine?
[QUOTE=Reliance012;1644786353]They “can” but that doesn’t mean on average they do. The best evidence we have suggests the vaccines still reduce risk of infection.
While the effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing infection has gone down considerably with Delta, and looks to still be waning, vaccination still reduces the odds of infection and thus transmission.
People mistook the “same viral loads” data (which btw a much larger study did not find) to mean that vaccinated hosts are as likely to transmit the virus on average as an unvaccinated. That is not true, because they are less likely to be be infected in the first place, even with Delta. There are other reasons too.
[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1.full.pdf[/url]
[url]https://spiral.imperial.ac.uk/bitstream/10044/1/90800/2/react1_r13_final_preprint_final.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
This appears to be the actual study of the article I read/posted earlier showing the Pfizer vaccine is 42% effective for the delta variant and Moderna appears more effective.
Unfortunately that study covers up to July, which according to the graph is where the delta surpasses the alpha in confirmed cases. This could create the illusion of higher protection factors for the duration of the sample collection. If a vaccinated person is infected and shedding virus, it doesn't really matter that they were part of the 58% of people not protected by the vaccine (using the Pfizer stats in this example). They can still replicate and transmit virus.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644797223]This appears to be the actual study of the article I read/posted earlier showing the Pfizer vaccine is 42% effective for the delta variant and Moderna appears more effective.
Unfortunately that study covers up to July, which according to the graph is where the delta surpasses the alpha in confirmed cases. This could create the illusion of higher protection factors for the duration of the sample collection. If a vaccinated person is infected and shedding virus, it doesn't really matter that they were part of the 58% of people not protected by the vaccine (using the Pfizer stats in this example). They can still replicate and transmit virus.[/QUOTE]
I saw you had posted the same study just after posting mine.
In the results and supporting figs, they stratify effectiveness over time. Even when Delta began increasing in frequency and became the predominant variant, vaccine effectiveness against infection remained significant. These results are also consistent with the second study I posted.
To your second point I agree. There is no question that vaccinated people can still spread the virus. But I believe the data support the claim that they are less likely to do so relative the unvaccinated.
[QUOTE=LWW;1644793483]Many in the weightlifting/strength community are anti vaccine. I don’t need a news report to know this, I read thier ******** pages.
This is not bodybuilding, as usual weight lifters and bodybuilder do not think the same, we not only test each other in the gym, but we have eating contests like who eat the most double cheese burgers, body builders don’t do that stuff, must be lame, lol.
But many of these anti Vaccine lifters have good builds and they hold degrees in exercise science and certified coaching.[/QUOTE]
Sure ill take my advice from folks who pump all sorts of chemicals into their body for aesthetics. /rolleyes
People spend their lives studying this **** but some dumb ass conspiracy nut jobs flood the interweb with bogus info and now we have seemingly smart people acting like the CDC are morons. Fuken LOL.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644796293]You're fat, does it help you with your lifts?
Also are you pro vaccine or anti vaccine?[/QUOTE]
Sure does help me lift the poundages I do more frequently, if you or anyone touches my back it feels like steel. I once got a massage and the girl said she could feel every muscle development like a bodybuilder but I didn’t look like one.
[QUOTE=LWW;1644799743]Sure does help me lift the poundages I do more frequently, if you or anyone touches my back it feels like steel. I once got a massage and the girl said she could feel every muscle development like a bodybuilder but I didn’t look like one.[/QUOTE]
I prefer to look good naked rather than looking at a spare tire in the mirror, I also prefer the health benefits of a lower body fat %, I don't think any amount of double cheeseburgers or lifting a couple of extra pounds can trump that..Lean people who are very active generally have better cardio as well, move faster and longer another great benefit.
You don't need to be fat to lift heavy, there are folks here the same age as you some even older that lift more than you and the fact is if some of them swallowed a grape you would probably see it, they are pretty lean.
I have been both fat and lean, mostly lean. Being lean and lifting good poundage is a lot more difficult than being fat and doing it. IMO fat is the easy/lazy way..
To each their own.
You never answered if you are pro or anti vax. Enquiring minds want to know.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644800753]I prefer to look good naked rather than looking at a spare tire in the mirror, I also prefer the health benefits of a lower body fat %, I don't think any amount of double cheeseburgers or lifting a couple of extra pounds can trump that..Lean people who are very active generally have better cardio as well, move faster and longer another great benefit.
You don't need to be fat to lift heavy, there are folks here the same age as you some even older that lift more than you and the fact is if some of them swallowed a grape you would probably see it, they are pretty lean.
I have been both fat and lean, mostly lean. Being lean and lifting good poundage is a lot more difficult than being fat and doing it. IMO fat is the easy/lazy way..
To each their own.
You never answered if you are pro or anti vax. Enquiring minds want to know.[/QUOTE]
I take it as a high, I don’t care if someone beats me, lastnight when I did my 350 x 11 I was on cloud 10 all night long, and even today. There’s more to come............ your gonna see more and more prs.
I’ve been as low as 160 and lifting was horrible, but I’m sure my form is better these days.
I just a 21 year old skinny 180 with washboard abs dead 475 like lightning, he’s also much taller like 6’1 he’s naturally got better leverage and a good coach who showed him form early.
I’m my mind I’m 21 and just starting now!!!
I bet he can out eat me too.
[QUOTE=LWW;1644802633]I take it as a high, I don’t care if someone beats me, lastnight when I did my 350 x 11 I was on cloud 10 all night long, and even today. There’s more to come............ your gonna see more and more prs.
I’ve been as low as 160 and lifting was horrible, but I’m sure my form is better these days.
I just a 21 year old skinny 180 with washboard abs dead 475 like lightning, he’s also much taller like 6’1 he’s naturally got better leverage and a good coach who showed him form early.
I’m my mind I’m 21 and just starting now!!!
I bet he can out eat me too.[/QUOTE]
You still haven't answered the vax question and you skipped right over JT a couple of times.. Where's your manners Tater?
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1644799563]Sure ill take my advice from folks who pump all sorts of chemicals into their body for aesthetics. /rolleyes
People spend their lives studying this **** but some dumb ass conspiracy nut jobs flood the interweb with bogus info and now we have seemingly smart people acting like the CDC are morons. Fuken LOL.[/QUOTE]
break through
[url]www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html[/url]
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644789653][img]https://i.imgur.com/VF3bUWd.jpg?1[/img][/QUOTE]
Aye aye captain!!
All jokes aside, ICU beds are filling up and just saw in the news twenty something beds available in all of Houston
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT IF MASKS HAVE PROVEN TO REDUCE THE TRANSMISSION AND THE ACTUAL RATE OF TRANSMISSION WHY IN THE WORLD THEY’RE NOT IMPOSTING A MASK MANDATE? Specially with millions of kids going back to school this week? WTAH??
I’m pro Dead lift for high reps. You can join the fun Pockets with a high rep dead and show us your awesome cardio!
I’m not following any pro or anti vaccine label.
I’m also pro cheeseburgers!
[QUOTE=LWW;1644804803]I’m pro Dead lift for high reps. You can join the fun Pockets with a high rep dead and show us your awesome cardio!
I’m not following any pro or anti vaccine label.
I’m also pro cheeseburgers![/QUOTE]
If I told you once I told you 100 times, I learned in grade school I don't have to prove anything to anyone. I do High rep deads and rack pulls on the regular.. I am running a PPL alternating one high rep session followed by, low rep heavier at the next session. I just don't train once a week for a couple minutes you know. That would make me fat, especially if I didn't hike, run, cycle and double fisted double cheeseburgers. :D
The cheeseburger thingie shows.
BTW you skipped JT again, I guess his comments must have shut your cheeseburger hole up good.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1644803933]break through
[url]www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks for the link ben, was interesting
[QUOTE=LWW;1644804803]I’m pro Dead lift for high reps. You can join the fun Pockets with a high rep dead and show us your awesome cardio!
I’m not following any pro or anti vaccine label.
I’m also pro cheeseburgers![/QUOTE]
LOL Hey I like burgers too, I take mine without the cheese no mask and NO vaccine with pickles and I'm lean lol
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1644803933]break through
[url]www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Wow. Look at those differences. Poor unvaxxed.
[QUOTE=NorwichGrad;1644779933]This is for all gubmint nuthugging racist statists who think anti vaxxers are a bunch of uneducated red neck hicks who live in trailer parks.
[url]https://summit.news/2021/08/11/study-finds-most-highly-educated-americans-are-also-the-most-vaccine-hesitant/?fbclid=IwAR3lnNoZbdsJ9EhNX2plP-xrH7UL6cR1dixrGTIFM3P25l4UFG0p0ZTjc8U[/url][/QUOTE]
I think you just proved their point with that source
[QUOTE=TryingBB;1644804303]I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT IF MASKS HAVE PROVEN TO REDUCE THE TRANSMISSION AND THE ACTUAL RATE OF TRANSMISSION WHY IN THE WORLD THEY’RE NOT IMPOSTING A MASK MANDATE? Specially with millions of kids going back to school this week? WTAH??[/QUOTE]
No one has time for nuanced rational conversations these days but let me try anyways.
Any sort of public policy has to benefit the potential good (reduced transmission) with the potential harm (reduced freedom, impaired breathing, social interaction consequences of a covered face, etc.) Additionally you need to consider both current and future compliance with any mandates as telling people to do things they're not going to comply with actually lowers your ability to get them to do things in the future. If the risk is high, the harms are low and most people are going to comply then it make sense. If the risk and harms are balanced and compliance is going to be low then it's actually probably not a good idea. Human lives don't have infinite value, for example we don't ban cars just because 60k people a year die in traffic accidents, especially as there is a notion that individuals are allowed to take risks if they choose as long as it doesn't have excessive impact on everyone else.
Risk of death & permanent injury for people who are vaccinated is pretty low, ditto for children. At this point anyone who wanted to be vaccinated has had plenty of opportunity to do so and the rest have made their choices and can take their chances. I'd say broad mask mandates are likely unwarranted, but I think the case can be made is some narrow cases where the risk is especially high. It's time to accept that COVID is going to be with us from now on and things will never completely go back to the way they were before, that doesn't mean every year should look like 2020 in terms of restrictions and mitigation measures.
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1644799563]Sure ill take my advice from folks who pump all sorts of chemicals into their body for aesthetics. /rolleyes
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You mean assclowns like Piana aren't trustworthy...or in his case weren't trustworthy? I have seen videos of his where talks about what is good to use, whats not, denies ever using synthol, etc. What a clown.
[img]http://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.QF5w98iHDdc5158Wi-XwcgHaEK?pid=ImgDet&rs=1[/img]
[QUOTE=mgftp;1644807963]I think you just proved their point with that source[/QUOTE]
Yeah that source ranks right up there alongside this one
[img]https://i.imgur.com/3fk4wS2.jpg[/img]
In my gym we are masking once again. Funny thing they didn't change the pool regulations and now the hot tub is filled with hairy fatties neck to neck..and there was some lady wearing a mask..in the tub..lol. But then when I run in a treadmill, they come remind me I have to put the mask on..sweat dripping on my face..the life we are living.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644806153]If I told you once I told you 100 times, I learned in grade school I don't have to prove anything to anyone. I do High rep deads and rack pulls on the regular.. I am running a PPL alternating one high rep session followed by, low rep heavier at the next session. I just don't train once a week for a couple minutes you know. That would make me fat, especially if I didn't hike, run, cycle and double fisted double cheeseburgers. :D
The cheeseburger thingie shows.
BTW you skipped JT again, I guess his comments must have shut your cheeseburger hole up good.[/QUOTE]
First of all, I train twice a week and train close to my max effort each workout. I train for 1-1/2 hour on Ssturday doing squats and other stuff.
I train 1-2sets on the Deads mid week, that’s all I have time for so I make it count, last night I progressed 10# plus got in another rep, there’s zero point in doing a drop set, the goal is increase, not decrease.
As for JT, I’m not wasting my time, I don’t know where he got that idea, I don’t follow drug users on FB? And the so called experts have been full of BS, so his comment means nothing to me.
Besides he hates lifting, my crew are all passionate about lifting and do it for life.
[QUOTE=LWW;1644811773]First of all, I train twice a week and train close to my max effort each workout. I train for 1-1/2 hour on Ssturday doing squats and other stuff.
I train 1-2sets on the Deads mid week, that’s all I have time for so I make it count, last night I progressed 10# plus got in another rep, there’s zero point in doing a drop set, the goal is increase, not decrease.
As for JT, I’m not wasting my time, I don’t know where he got that idea, I don’t follow drug users on FB? And the so called experts have been full of BS, so his comment means nothing to me.
[b]Besides he hates lifting,[/b] my crew are all passionate about lifting and do it for life.[/QUOTE]
Ooh..shots fired!
[QUOTE=LWW;1644811773]First of all, I train twice a week and train close to my max effort each workout. I train for 1-1/2 hour on Ssturday doing squats and other stuff.
I train 1-2sets on the Deads mid week, that’s all I have time for so I make it count, last night I progressed 10# plus got in another rep, there’s zero point in doing a drop set, the goal is increase, not decrease.[/QUOTE]
So you only lift 2 hours a week? Make no wonder you're fat :D
[QUOTE=LWW;1644811773] for JT, I’m not wasting my time, I don’t know where he got that idea, I don’t follow drug users on FB? And the so called experts have been full of BS, so his comment means nothing to me.
Besides he hates lifting, my crew are all passionate about lifting and do it for life.[/QUOTE]
You are the Delray misfits biggest fan, if you turn the lights out, those fukers would glow in the dark with all the junk they have in them. So yeah, you do follow those type of people, mayber not on face book, but you are still a follower :D
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1644813473]So you only lift 2 hours a week? Make no wonder you're fat :D
You are the Delray misfits biggest fan, if you turn the lights out, those fukers would glow in the dark with all the junk they have in them. So yeah, you do follow those type of people, mayber not on face book, but you are still a follower :D[/QUOTE]
You really don’t know so much, there was a time I trained only twice a month doing 50 rep squats and deads that was like an hour of training a month, I weighed 160#.
What you don’t seem to understand is I have experimented and know what to do IF I need to do it, when the time comes, I’m ready.
I find the delay group amusing, seems you missed that too, the lifters I associate with are drug free lifetime lifters and old time strongman, they aren’t into that stupid soap opera defray BS. Those guys don’t even squat to parallel.
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1644799563]Sure ill take my advice from folks who pump all sorts of chemicals into their body for aesthetics. /rolleyes
People spend their lives studying this **** but some dumb ass conspiracy nut jobs flood the interweb with bogus info and now we have seemingly smart people acting like the CDC are morons. Fuken LOL.[/QUOTE]
The cdc has managed to screw up a lot on this. Changes due to administration aside, they can’t keep themselves from saying stupid $hit. Just a couple weeks ago it was there will be no need for boosters, right after well done studies from Israel demonstrated reduced efficacy over time. Now they are walking that back because it’s plainly obvious elderly and immunocompromised will likely need boosters.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/kWJqUGe.png[/img]
[QUOTE=LWW;1644815053]You really don’t know so much,
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What I do know by your own admission is that I probably have more time pissing in gym urinals than you have time in the gym total.
Training once a month or an hour or two a week? Kind of hard to take you serious after that.
I shouldn't even be in the gym this week because I am running a cross country race on Saturday, but here I am doing it because I love it.
You say going to the gym gives you a high, well no sh!t Sherlock, when you go so infrequently, it's like the first time every time :D
[QUOTE=LWW;1644811773]
As for JT, I’m not wasting my time, I don’t know where he got that idea, I don’t follow drug users on FB? And the so called experts have been full of BS, so his comment means nothing to me.
Besides he hates lifting, my crew are all passionate about lifting and do it for life.[/QUOTE]
Damn imagine if I liked it! Even hating it you've never been as strong as me nor near aesthetic. But that said I still lift consistently.
As for cheeseburgers I'm pro cheeseburgers, too.
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1644815733]The cdc has managed to screw up a lot on this. Changes due to administration aside, they can’t keep themselves from saying stupid $hit. Just a couple weeks ago it was there will be no need for boosters, right after well done studies from Israel demonstrated reduced efficacy over time. Now they are walking that back because it’s plainly obvious elderly and immunocompromised will likely need boosters.[/QUOTE]
OK. It's like they change their recommendations based on the science. Crazy :D
Seriously though the point was you have sloths like LWW that would take his advice from gym bros on ******** before actual scientist. Perfect or not that's kinda retarded but whateves. I couldn't care less about what others are doing and I wish the non-vaxxed the best of luck, serious. I don't wish bad on any of them.
New Orleans to require COVID vaccines or negative tests for bars, Superdome, other venues
[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/lollapalooza-covid-19-outbreak-200-cases-linked-to-event-so-far-but-chicagos-top-doctor-says-no-signs-it-was-a-superspreader/ar-AANfDXP?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]
385,000 screaming people packed together like sardines. Public health official - not a super-spreader event. Science.
The outbreak of 203 cases included 127 attendees who had been vaccinated and 76 attendees who had not been immunized
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1644818183]
OK. It's like they change their recommendations based on the science. Crazy :D
Seriously though the point was you have sloths like LWW that would take his advice from gym bros on ******** before actual scientist. Perfect or not that's kinda retarded but whateves. I couldn't care less about what others are doing and I wish the non-vaxxed the best of luck, serious. I don't wish bad on any of them.[/QUOTE]
The science was there before the statement was made. But agree there is misinformation everywhere, unfortunately from sources who we should expect the truth from.
San Francisco Mayor London Breed announced Thursday that customers in “high-contact” indoor sectors, like restaurants and gyms, must show proof of vaccination starting August 20. Employees will need to show proof by October 13.
[B]Persuasion, not coercion or incentivisation, is the best means of promoting COVID-19 vaccination[/B]
[url]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7843207/[/url]
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1644799563]Sure ill take my advice from folks who pump all sorts of chemicals into their body for aesthetics. /rolleyes
People spend their lives studying this **** but some dumb ass conspiracy nut jobs flood the interweb with bogus info and now we have seemingly smart people acting like the CDC are morons. Fuken LOL.[/QUOTE]
For many people it's not being anti-vax, it's being anti-human guinea pig. There's already an established track record of the USG administering dangerous drugs and improper vaccines to the American people. Some of us prefer to wait.
ITs gonna be fun being a sloth and surpassing JT in a couple years. Watch out guy, I’m gomna Cruz pass you y’all!!!
[QUOTE=LWW;1644824183]ITs gonna be fun being a sloth and surpassing JT in a couple years. Watch out guy, I’m gomna Cruz pass you y’all!!![/QUOTE]
haha! Dude, I believe u believe that, which is awesome!
Frankly, this place would likely be deadsville without u and MTP going at it. :D
[QUOTE=ChazWood;1644826673]haha! Dude, I believe u believe that, which is awesome!
Frankly, this place would likely be deadsville without u and MTP going at it. :D[/QUOTE]
I don't know if these guys think someone can't improve or something? When I was 21-22 I was a sloth, I worked up to a 230# bench (which I'm working on now), but I would dead lift 180 for like 8-10 and think that was a workout, with crappy form too. I can do over double that weight now 20 years later and I feel I finally found my form, after 20 years, I'm finally getting it right, so I should be setting the world a blaze in the next few years!
Charlie, right on, and you like to "powercurl":D that's my kind a bodybuilder!!!
[QUOTE=GrouchyUSMC;1644821693]For many people it's not being anti-vax, it's being anti-human guinea pig. There's already an established track record of the USG administering dangerous drugs and improper vaccines to the American people. Some of us prefer to wait.[/QUOTE]Spot on! All I've ever wanted was more time to obtain and decipher information about how these injections ultimately affect people. (Medically speaking, this is not a vaccine. If you don't know what I'm talking about, and you're vaccinated, don't tell me you made an informed decision)
I know there are severe side affects for many. There are breathing issues, blood clotting issues, and death for some.
I know, 'statistically it's not that many' who suffer and/or die post injections. So, no big deal. Really? Well, statistically, not many are presently dying from COVID.
But what else? What more information? Well, ya gotta dig for it.
A study out of Israel recently raised the question of whether the current variants are not being caused by those who have acquired natural immunity, but by those who have gotten the shots. Numerous virologists are saying that this makes the most sense, given how viruses, immunity, and variants work. Interesting, the vaccinated are the spreaders of variants. Personally, I'm still looking into this. I actually have access to a couple of expert infectious disease experts, which is a good thing.
[QUOTE=LWW;1644832323]I don't know if these guys think someone can't improve or something? When I was 21-22 I was a sloth, I worked up to a 230# bench (which I'm working on now), but I would dead lift 180 for like 8-10 and think that was a workout, with crappy form too. I can do over double that weight now 20 years later and I feel I finally found my form, after 20 years, I'm finally getting it right, so I should be setting the world a blaze in the next few years!
Charlie, right on, and you like to "powercurl":D that's my kind a bodybuilder!!![/QUOTE]
Haha! Right on, brother. Maintaining vitality is the key to aging optimally, IMHO. We've done all the dumbchit and can really focus on constructive priorities, thanks to the wisdom gained from doing the dumbchit. :D
As for setting the world ablaze, well, u may just have to settle for torching this place. :p
[QUOTE=KeepItMoving;1644832493]Spot on! All I've ever wanted was more time to obtain and decipher information about how these injections ultimately affect people. (Medically speaking, this is not a vaccine. If you don't know what I'm talking about, and you're vaccinated, don't tell me you made an informed decision)
I know there are severe side affects for many. There are breathing issues, blood clotting issues, and death for some.
I know, 'statistically it's not that many' who suffer and/or die post injections. So, no big deal. Really? Well, statistically, not many are presently dying from COVID.
But what else? What more information? Well, ya gotta dig for it.
A study out of Israel recently raised the question of whether the current variants are not being caused by those who have acquired natural immunity, but by those who have gotten the shots. Numerous virologists are saying that this makes the most sense, given how viruses, immunity, and variants work. Interesting, the vaccinated are the spreaders of variants. Personally, I'm still looking into this. I actually have access to a couple of expert infectious disease experts, which is a good thing.[/QUOTE]
Dude, OMG! u should hold a symposium!
I would totally stream it. u always entertain me. :D
[QUOTE=LWW;1644832323]I don't know if these guys think someone can't improve or something? When I was 21-22 I was a sloth, I worked up to a 230# bench (which I'm working on now), but I would dead lift 180 for like 8-10 and think that was a workout, with crappy form too. I can do over double that weight now 20 years later and I feel I finally found my form, after 20 years, I'm finally getting it right, so I should be setting the world a blaze in the next few years!
Charlie, right on, and you like to "powercurl":D that's my kind a bodybuilder!!![/QUOTE]
Dam right young bro
[QUOTE=blue9steel;1644808043]No one has time for nuanced rational conversations these days but let me try anyways.
Any sort of public policy has to benefit the potential good (reduced transmission) with the potential harm (reduced freedom, impaired breathing, social interaction consequences of a covered face, etc.) Additionally you need to consider both current and future compliance with any mandates as telling people to do things they're not going to comply with actually lowers your ability to get them to do things in the future. If the risk is high, the harms are low and most people are going to comply then it make sense. If the risk and harms are balanced and compliance is going to be low then it's actually probably not a good idea. Human lives don't have infinite value, for example we don't ban cars just because 60k people a year die in traffic accidents, especially as there is a notion that individuals are allowed to take risks if they choose as long as it doesn't have excessive impact on everyone else.
Risk of death & permanent injury for people who are vaccinated is pretty low, ditto for children. At this point anyone who wanted to be vaccinated has had plenty of opportunity to do so and the rest have made their choices and can take their chances. I'd say broad mask mandates are likely unwarranted, but I think the case can be made is some narrow cases where the risk is especially high. It's time to accept that COVID is going to be with us from now on and things will never completely go back to the way they were before, that doesn't mean every year should look like 2020 in terms of restrictions and mitigation measures.[/QUOTE]
Kudos!! Makes sense…
For those that are skeptical about the vaccine, ask everyone that you know who had it to describe in detail what it was like for them. It varies widely, but some experiences are real eye openers. It isn't something to be toyed with unless you are one of the lucky ones, and so far, no one can tell us or predict with accuracy who will be lucky.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1644849863]For those that are skeptical about the vaccine, ask everyone that you know who had it to describe in detail what it was like for them. It varies widely, but some experiences are real eye openers. It isn't something to be toyed with unless you are one of the lucky ones, and so far, no one can tell us or predict with accuracy who will be lucky.[/QUOTE]
Dunno which world you live in.
I know several people who got moderna/pfizer/JJ.
Even know some overseas who got the China vaccine.
No severe or adverse reactions from the vaccine. Did get some symptoms for a day or so maybe.
Also know people who got covid. They regret not getting the vaccine while they were suffering…
I am vaccined and will get booster also if one comes out cuz this chit is real. Hundreds of millions have gotten the vaccine and are doing fine. This might be different in 2 to 5 yrs lol but till then this is the choice I made
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1644849863]For those that are skeptical about the vaccine, ask everyone that you know who had it to describe in detail what it was like for them. It varies widely, but some experiences are real eye openers. It isn't something to be toyed with unless you are one of the lucky ones, and so far, no one can tell us or predict with accuracy who will be lucky.[/QUOTE]
Why? About 200 million people in the US have had that vaccine, why would asking random experiences be of any interest to me?
[QUOTE=TryingBB;1644850443]Dunno which world you live in.
I know several people who got moderna/pfizer/JJ.
Even know some overseas who got the China vaccine.
No severe or adverse reactions from the vaccine. Did get some symptoms for a day or so maybe.
Also know people who got covid. They regret not getting the vaccine while they were suffering…
I am vaccined and will get booster also if one comes out cuz this chit is real. Hundreds of millions have gotten the vaccine and are doing fine. This might be different in 2 to 5 yrs lol but till then this is the choice I made[/QUOTE]
I live in both and am Pfizered.
The point was that it is interesting to see and learn what some people have gone through.
I find the information interesting because it varies so widely. Even the duration of taste and smell vanishing varies from person to person.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1644850673]Why? About 200 million people in the US have had that vaccine, why would asking random experiences be of any interest to me?[/QUOTE]
This would be from people that you actually like and care about. I have found that experiences vary widely and I find it interesting.
The way they describe the breathing difficulties is particularly captivating, small steps walking, weight loss from not tasting food. If this thing is gonna be around for some time, then we might as well get our heads around all of the pieces.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1644851323]This would be from people that you actually like and care about. I have found that experiences vary widely and I find it interesting.
The way they describe the breathing difficulties is particularly captivating, small steps walking, weight loss from not tasting food. If this thing is gonna be around for some time, then we might as well get our heads around all of the pieces.[/QUOTE]
Oh I see what you're saying. Yes, that's why I never wanted the flu shot because of the side effects. Didn't make sense to intentionally make you sick when you never get sick. From the J&J I never got any side effects so I thought people are faking their symptoms but I can see this becoming a thing, and just because someone had the vaccine once, doesn't mean they want to keep taking it every year, especially if they get horrible side effects.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1644852183]Oh I see what you're saying. Yes, that's why I never wanted the flu shot because of the side effects. Didn't make sense to intentionally make you sick when you never get sick. From the J&J I never got any side effects so I thought people are faking their symptoms but I can see this becoming a thing, and just because someone had the vaccine once, doesn't mean they want to keep taking it every year, especially if they get horrible side effects.[/QUOTE]
My experience with the flu shot was getting the flu badly that year so I never did it again, but this thing is a little different based on my many friends and family's stories. I am addicted to breathing :) and although there is no guarantee from a vax, the alternative sounds pretty bad. It hasn't really stopped me from doing things, but the people around me definitely stopped many many activities.
If this thing keeps mutating and changing then I guess I will have to consider vax number 3 if my antibodies are super low or gone. Oh well......
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