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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648822003]Vaccine caused delta? That makes perfect sense, given the first time we found the delta variant was in India in December 2020, which was only a month or two before the first person in India got a vaccine against SARS CoV2.
Oh, wait. Maybe it doesn't.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that doc has his undergrad in political science. Hmmm... I wonder which way he leans. He's also an ophthalmologist who prescribed his patients Hydroxychloroquine back in the hydroxy craze. Dunno, but it seems strange for an ophthalmologist to be getting into that neck of the woods, but the malpractice complaints were dismissed by the TX medical board, so what do I know...
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[QUOTE=7Seconds;1648807783]A lazy description of a complex problem used by talking heads to push the emotional buttons of those on the right.
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Not the center and left?
Also, how do you make a tag line?
I think I should have one that says, "The define that please guy" I'm like a scratched record I say that so often.
[QUOTE=ChazWood;1648824243]
and I for one kinda enjoyed his video. Particularly, the articulate hand and arm movement which is what I look for in an eye doctor. Particularly a surgeon. :)
EDIT: and good to see we're back to civil discourse. For now anyway. :D[/QUOTE]
For now :)
Watching it on my phone, I didn't see that he was an ophthalmologist. I assumed he was an ID doc or intensive care doc because he bragged about treating with steroids fairly early. Based on my assumption, I was actually impressed he could say that stuff with a straight face.
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648825613]Not the center and left?
Also, how do you make a tag line?
I think I should have one that says, "The define that please guy" I'm like a scratched record I say that so often.
For now :)
Watching it on my phone, I didn't see that he was an ophthalmologist. I assumed he was an ID doc or intensive care doc because he bragged about treating with steroids fairly early. Based on my assumption, I was actually impressed he could say that stuff with a straight face.[/QUOTE]
I think we're well past the challenge of keeping a straight face. Moral bankruptcy all but eliminates hope. Without hope, it's all an act I reckon.
and I gotta mention that I appreciate your contributions here. The civil ones, anyway. :D
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648825613]Not the center and left?[/quote]
No they’re are certainly those on the left pushing those same buttons, but the particular wedge issue of border security is generally pushed towards those on the right. Although Biden is definitely hearing from both sides on his handling of the border, as if there is some amazing solution to border policy that doesn't involve the stabilization and prosperity of countries where the migrants are coming from.
Biden does seem to be caught between critics and allies on a lot of issues though. I suppose if most people are criticizing him maybe that’s a sign he’s a moderate. Or it’s a sign he’s incompetent.
[quote]Also, how do you make a tag line?
I think I should have one that says, "The define that please guy" I'm like a scratched record I say that so often.
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Edit signature in you user cp settings.
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648822003]Vaccine caused delta? That makes perfect sense, given the first time we found the delta variant was in India in December 2020, which was only a month or two before the first person in India got a vaccine against SARS CoV2.
Oh, wait. Maybe it doesn't.[/QUOTE]Fair enough. It's just info. No need for all the over the top personal attacks some folks here choose to spew. I find it sad and humorous, these responses. This guy is saying the same thing I've been told by two ID doc professional associates of mine. I'm comfortable with my choices to date. If I make any mistakes, I just want them to be mine to make.
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648822003]Vaccine caused delta? That makes perfect sense, given the first time we found the delta variant was in India in December 2020, which was only a month or two before the first person in India got a vaccine against SARS CoV2.
Oh, wait. Maybe it doesn't.[/QUOTE]
Do you have a source for this. Pretty sure Delta was brought to India by a vaccinated Brit. Delta is a breakthrough case, breakthrough cases happen in vaccinated individuals
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[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1648849423]Do you have a source for this. Pretty sure Delta was brought to India by a vaccinated Brit. Delta is a breakthrough case, breakthrough cases happen in vaccinated individuals[/QUOTE]This is the information I have researched.
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We all still understand that all animals died in the vaccine trials...right..?
How do you think that is gonna play out?
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Posted this in the R/P section but I’m sure others would like to see the information..
First let’s get some history of mRNA/Coronavirus Vaccines & previous animal trials..
-Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus
[url]https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421[/url]
Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of Feline Infectious Peritonitis Virus Infection in Feline Alveolar Macro****es and Human Monocyte Cell Line U937 by Serum of Cats Experimentally or Naturally Infected with Feline Coronavirus
[url]https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jvms/60/1/60_1_49/_article[/url]
Vaccine efficacy in senescent mice challenged with recombinant SARS-CoV bearing epidemic and zoonotic spike variants
[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17194199/[/url]
Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus
[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/[/url]
Prior immunization with severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV) nucleocapsid protein causes severe pneumonia in mice infected with SARS-CoV
[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18941225/[/url]
Evaluation of the mRNA-1273 Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 in Nonhuman Primates
[url]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7449230/[/url]
Immunization with Modified Vaccinia Virus Ankara-Based Recombinant Vaccine against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Is Associated with Enhanced Hepatitis in Ferrets
[url]https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/jvi.78.22.12672-12676.2004?permanently=true[/url]
Cliffs:
Once vaccinated, the animals had an inability to fight off or suffered adverse effects once reinfected.
The vaccinated animals did not all die; however, many vaccinated animals became sicker than non-vaccinated when exposed to the SARS virus. Some studies included sacrificing the test animals and tissue study---most of the vaccinated animals in the studies developed inflammation in liver or lung or elsewhere.
Now..
COVID Vaccine Trials In Animals Were Stopped Because They Kept Dying, Revealed In Texas Senate Hearing
It was revealed recently during the Texas Senate Committee hearing that COVID-19 vaccine trials in animals were stopped because they kept dying.
This past week the Texas Senate Committee on State Affairs took testimony from Texas physicians regarding mandatory vaccination and Vaccine Passports in Texas – the Senate Bill SB 1669: Stop Forced Vaccination and Vaccine Passports in Texas.
A shocking revelation was made during the course of the senate hearing that animal testing of COVID-19 vaccines were stopped because they kept dying.
Here is what was revealed during the hearing on May 6
[url]https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home/AdvocacyLoginPage/tabid/66/Default.aspx?returnurl=%2fmembers%2fStateTeams%2fMyState%2fActionAlertDetails.aspx%3fitemid%3d2046%26Page%3dTrue[/url]
[url]https://tlcsenate.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?clip_id=15926[/url]
“"Folks, I think that’s important to understand there that what we’re talking about is American people are now the guinea pigs. This is the test program, thats going on.
They didn’t do the human testing and they stopped the animal test because the animals were dying. And then they turned it out for the pubic.
And we’re now looking at businesses that want to mandate that this experimental vaccine be given to people as a condition of their employment. ""
Sen. Hall questioned the doctor: “Has there been another vaccine that had the high incidents of serious hospitalizations and deaths that this vaccine is now showing?
Dr. Farella: “Not to this extent. Not even close.”
Sen. Hall: “Any other vaccine would’ve been pulled from the market?”
Dr. Farella: “Absolutely.”
Sen. Hall: “Have you seen any other vaccine that was put out to the public that skipped the animal test?”
Dr. Farella: “Never before.”
Sen. Hall: “As I have read, they actually started the animal tests, and because the animals were dying, they stopped the tests.”
Dr. Farella: “Correct.”
[url]https://www.bitchute.com/video/sDs3wtkuFnQI/[/url]
“A note regarding animal deaths in coronavirus vaccine tests: According to Dr. Lee Merritt, animal tests on coronavirus vaccines using cats and ferrets resulted in what were at first believed to be successful vaccines. However, after the animals were exposed to the wild virus, instead of weakening the virus, the vaccine’s “stylized immuno-response” caused the virus to enter the animal’s body like a Trojan horse. “And then it replicated without checking and killed the cat with overwhelming sepsis and cardiac failure,” Dr. Merritt said. “And that happened in the ferrets. That happened every time they’ve tried this. We have never made it through an animal study successfully for this type of virus.”
Oh..well would you look at that..EXACT SAME RESULTS AS ALL THE STUDIES UP ABOVE.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
In my horror film Halloween voice...... he is Back!!!!!!!
Friday the 13 music begins.
Man that shingles vaxxx did a number on Paul, this is his life's mission now!
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[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1648850163]^^^^^^^^^^^^
In my horror film Halloween voice...... he is Back!!!!!!!
Friday the 13 music begins.
Man that shingles vaxxx did a number on Paul, this is his life's mission now![/QUOTE]
It’s “They’re back”..that was from Poltergeist. She died on set, 3rd installment.
Now can you address the actual post. I thought we were trusting the Science..?
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[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1648850163]^^^^^^^^^^^^
In my horror film Halloween voice...... he is Back!!!!!!!
Friday the 13 music begins.
Man that shingles vaxxx did a number on Paul, this is his life's mission now![/QUOTE]You're a teenager, right? You must be. And this is the high school hallways? You mock people, while lauding the civility of this forum by those who don't ruffle your feathers. Mock away. I broke my own protocol in recognizing you. And pleeese stop tryin to reach me on PM. That box is full for a reason.
Oops. Gotta go. I have an I doctor's appointment. LOL!
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And now...antibody count falls by 40% monthly post 2nd shot..
[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.19.21262111v1[/url]
“Results A total of 2,653 individuals fully vaccinated by two doses of vaccine during the study period and 4,361 convalescent patients were included. Higher SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibody titers were observed in vaccinated individuals (median 1581 AU/mL IQR [533.8-5644.6]) after the second vaccination, than in convalescent individuals (median 355.3 AU/mL IQR [141.2-998.7]; p<0.001). In vaccinated subjects, antibody titers decreased by up to 40% each subsequent month while in convalescents they decreased by less than 5% per month. Six months after BNT162b2 vaccination 16.1% subjects had antibody levels below the seropositivity threshold of <50 AU/mL, while only 10.8% of convalescent patients were below <50 AU/mL threshold after 9 months from SARS-CoV-2 infection.
Conclusions This study demonstrates individuals who received the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine have different kinetics of antibody levels compared to patients who had been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, with higher initial levels but a much faster exponential decrease in the first group.”
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[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1648849423]Do you have a source for this. Pretty sure Delta was brought to India by a vaccinated Brit. Delta is a breakthrough case, breakthrough cases happen in vaccinated individuals[/QUOTE]
So after the first "Brit", Margaret Keenan got her first shot on December 8, 2020, she hustled her 90 year old self over to India with a new variant of the virus to infect a bunch of people there a couple of weeks later?
You seem pretty sure about some unknowable stuff. Remember, nobody in the UK had received a second shot at the time we discovered the Delta variant, and very few had even received their first shot before it existed. Also, those were also the most at risk patients in the UK, so they weren't really a bunch of world travelers heading to India.
As far as the other stuff you posted, it is meaningless in a vacuum and doesn't seem to support what you want it too. Seriously, you linked an article that might indicate some increased risk to patients if they're exposed to nucleocapsid proteins before getting COVID. You only get exposed to those proteins from the actual virus, so you posted an article supporting vaccines. It indicates breakthrough infection post vaccination is safer than reinfection after you've had COVID, which is the exact opposite of what you want it to say. You really have to read more carefully
KeepItMoving,
Assuming you're not Paul 2, I have to say the same thing I just said to Paul. Try to read more carefully. Nobody off a clinical trial got a second shot before Christmas of 2020, and very few people who could actually travel had received even their first vaccine. We started with the high risk populations after all.
You could speculate that some first responder or medical provider traveled to India after their first shot and started the Delta pandemic, but that's one huge reach when you look at the numbers. As to the vaccine trial candidates who were fully vaccinated at the time, we were following them for breakthrough infections.
There had already been over 10 million documented infections in India by late December 2020, and if you recall, India was only testing a very small percentage of patients back then. So while we'll never know with 100% certainty, based on the numbers and our understanding of how mutations occur, selection pressure induced by a COVID vaccine is incredibly unlikely to have contributed to the Delta variant occurring in India. As to that ophthalmologist's video, I'm sorry, but he didn't do his research before he opened his mouth and he got a lot wrong with a lot of confidence.
Unfortunately, that's pretty common these days and quite a few people are trying to make this thread an exception to that particular pandemic. Sorry if my tone was rude before. It's tough to have to point out the same stuff over and over politely and without adding snide comments or tone. At least it is for me but I'll work on it. It's SUPER hard to do with Paul though, because he's clearly not making an effort to do better with his reading and posting. That's what you picked up on from Ben, and will catch me on too I'm sure.
Editing to add for Paul's sake, that selection pressure is also caused by the virus itself. It's more likely Delta was caused by a reinfection that might have been prevented by a mask, than that it was caused by selection pressure from a vaccine. Food for thought... .
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[QUOTE=KeepItMoving;1648850803]You're a teenager, right? You must be. And this is the high school hallways? You mock people, while lauding the civility of this forum by those who don't ruffle your feathers. Mock away. I broke my own protocol in recognizing you. And pleeese stop tryin to reach me on PM. That box is full for a reason.
Oops. Gotta go. I have an I doctor's appointment. LOL![/QUOTE]
No........... but Paul and I have a history which you would not understand, good natured ribbing and joking while debating the issues.
At least that is the way i have mostly viewed it, so we tease and joke with no hard feelings, CAPICHE!?
Mock?, nah that only has an impact on thin skinned KARENS, which is no one here.
We are all grown ass men of a certain age that lift and have thick skin.
Pm's for you, uhh neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
You are way to political for my tastes.
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648856763]So after the first "Brit", Margaret Keenan got her first shot on December 8, 2020, she hustled her 90 year old self over to India with a new variant of the virus to infect a bunch of people there a couple of weeks later?
You seem pretty sure about some unknowable stuff. Remember, nobody in the UK had received a second shot at the time we discovered the Delta variant, and very few had even received their first shot before it existed. Also, those were also the most at risk patients in the UK, so they weren't really a bunch of world travelers heading to India.
As far as the other stuff you posted, it is meaningless in a vacuum and doesn't seem to support what you want it too. Seriously, you linked an article that might indicate some increased risk to patients if they're exposed to nucleocapsid proteins before getting COVID. You only get exposed to those proteins from the actual virus, so you posted an article supporting vaccines. It indicates breakthrough infection post vaccination is safer than reinfection after you've had COVID, which is the exact opposite of what you want it to say. You really have to read more carefully
KeepItMoving,
Assuming you're not Paul 2, I have to say the same thing I just said to Paul. Try to read more carefully. Nobody off a clinical trial got a second shot before Christmas of 2020, and very few people who could actually travel had received even their first vaccine. We started with the high risk populations after all.
You could speculate that some first responder or medical provider traveled to India after their first shot and started the Delta pandemic, but that's one huge reach when you look at the numbers. As to the vaccine trial candidates who were fully vaccinated at the time, we were following them for breakthrough infections.
There had already been over 10 million documented infections in India by late December 2020, and if you recall, India was only testing a very small percentage of patients back then. So while we'll never know with 100% certainty, based on the numbers and our understanding of how mutations occur, selection pressure induced by a COVID vaccine is incredibly unlikely to have contributed to the Delta variant occurring in India. As to that ophthalmologist's video, I'm sorry, but he didn't do his research before he opened his mouth and he got a lot wrong with a lot of confidence.
Unfortunately, that's pretty common these days and quite a few people are trying to make this thread an exception to that particular pandemic. Sorry if my tone was rude before. It's tough to have to point out the same stuff over and over politely and without adding snide comments or tone. At least it is for me but I'll work on it. It's SUPER hard to do with Paul though, because he's clearly not making an effort to do better with his reading and posting. That's what you picked up on from Ben, and will catch me on too I'm sure.
Editing to add for Paul's sake, that selection pressure is also caused by the virus itself. It's more likely Delta was caused by a reinfection that might have been prevented by a mask, than that it was caused by selection pressure from a vaccine. Food for thought... .[/QUOTE]
I’m sorry but you are factually wrong in everything. We will start with India. They were actually doing great with ivermectin before being forced to use the vaccine..
“What’s Going On? India Sees Surge Of Deaths And Injuries Following COVID-19 Vaccine Roll-Out"
[url]https://luis46pr.wordpress.com/2021/05/13/whats-going-on-india-sees-surge-of-deaths-and-injuries-following-covid-19-vaccine-roll-out/[/url]
And yes Delta is a breakthrough case, do you need to be reminded of the definition of a Breakthrough Case..?
"After seeing relatively good success in handling the COVID crisis with an emphasis on early treatments such as Ivermectin, India is all of a sudden seeing a surge in cases and deaths being attributed to the COVID-19 virus."
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@JustTheDad-Now as far as the Spike Protein..again, I don’t think you have a clue what you are speaking of..It’s been shown that the “novel” spike is the antigen responsible for the worst symptoms that less healthy people experience, not the virus it’s attached to. That sounds insane right? If true it should have been the headline of every news outlet right? Right??
Old Dominion injected the spike alone without it’s Corona companion into humanized mice. The mice experienced all the worst symptoms people do. Salk and university of California SD have also shown this. It creates and exacerbates vascular diseases. There are plenty of others and it’s pretty obvious by now.
So this leads to an obvious question. Why the **** would you code cells to make the “novel” part (that is the ****ing toxic payload of an otherwise run-of-the-mill cold) of a novel virus whose family of viruses are a common endemic nuisance? There are many non-novel Cov Sars2 characteristics that would have presented and allowed for immune response to a wide range of Coronas. Coding for the spike alone is a missed opportunity to target a wide array of Coronas (the way your natural immune system does) and they could have used a non or less toxic element of Coronas and taught your immune system to make and attack it. Let’s not forget where this fancy new chimeric spike amplified tool was created. They know this Frankenstein intimately and have since day 1 and long before that.
This rna program is like installing a smart intruder alert system at your house to alert you to intruders, but programming it to look only for orange shoes to identify them. Thats fine so long as it’s the orange shoe intruder, and by the way your new alert system also releases a toxic, potentially deadly gas into your home but the installer didn’t tell you and your fate depends on how good your air filtration system is working. Yes, this is fine. Let’s do that. (You are also obligated to shame neighbors who don’t install the potentially dangerous orange shoe detector because the TV said your intruder detection only works if everyone has one at their house)
They seem hell bent on getting every human, one way or another, full of this thing they made. Changing science to ignore well established self-evident knowledge of natural immunity and force this concoction is not confidence inspiring. There are only 2 possibilities. Either this is gross unimaginable incompetence and colossal stupidity or it is done maliciously. The former seems less likely every day.
Edit to add for “JustTheDad”-the spike protein creates the same issues within the body. If the body doesnt make the same protein as that on the surface of the virus, the vaccine wont work. Because the immune response will not be to the same thing. So, if its the spike protein thats dangerous, and the spike proteins your body makes are the same (and if they are not, the 'vaccine' is useless anyway) then the spike proteins you make will be dangerous.
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648856763]So after the first "Brit", Margaret Keenan got her first shot on December 8, 2020, she hustled her 90 year old self over to India with a new variant of the virus to infect a bunch of people there a couple of weeks later?
You seem pretty sure about some unknowable stuff. Remember, nobody in the UK had received a second shot at the time we discovered the Delta variant, and very few had even received their first shot before it existed. Also, those were also the most at risk patients in the UK, so they weren't really a bunch of world travelers heading to India.
As far as the other stuff you posted, it is meaningless in a vacuum and doesn't seem to support what you want it too. Seriously, you linked an article that might indicate some increased risk to patients if they're exposed to nucleocapsid proteins before getting COVID. You only get exposed to those proteins from the actual virus, so you posted an article supporting vaccines. It indicates breakthrough infection post vaccination is safer than reinfection after you've had COVID, which is the exact opposite of what you want it to say. You really have to read more carefully
KeepItMoving,
Assuming you're not Paul 2, I have to say the same thing I just said to Paul. Try to read more carefully. Nobody off a clinical trial got a second shot before Christmas of 2020, and very few people who could actually travel had received even their first vaccine. We started with the high risk populations after all.
You could speculate that some first responder or medical provider traveled to India after their first shot and started the Delta pandemic, but that's one huge reach when you look at the numbers. As to the vaccine trial candidates who were fully vaccinated at the time, we were following them for breakthrough infections.
There had already been over 10 million documented infections in India by late December 2020, and if you recall, India was only testing a very small percentage of patients back then. So while we'll never know with 100% certainty, based on the numbers and our understanding of how mutations occur, selection pressure induced by a COVID vaccine is incredibly unlikely to have contributed to the Delta variant occurring in India. As to that ophthalmologist's video, I'm sorry, but he didn't do his research before he opened his mouth and he got a lot wrong with a lot of confidence.
Unfortunately, that's pretty common these days and quite a few people are trying to make this thread an exception to that particular pandemic. Sorry if my tone was rude before. It's tough to have to point out the same stuff over and over politely and without adding snide comments or tone. At least it is for me but I'll work on it. It's SUPER hard to do with Paul though, because he's clearly not making an effort to do better with his reading and posting. That's what you picked up on from Ben, and will catch me on too I'm sure.
Editing to add for Paul's sake, that selection pressure is also caused by the virus itself. It's more likely Delta was caused by a reinfection that might have been prevented by a mask, than that it was caused by selection pressure from a vaccine. Food for thought... .[/QUOTE]Will do. Be well. Mind you, I am not against the shots. I am against being forced by the power of government to get them. Protect the known vulnerable, educate all, and let free people decide.
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Uh-huh..
[url]https://healthimpactnews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/india-covid-deaths-3.png[/url]
“As far as the other stuff you posted, it is meaningless in a vacuum and doesn't seem to support what you want it too. Seriously, you linked an article that might indicate some increased risk to patients if they're exposed to nucleocapsid proteins before getting COVID. You only get exposed to those proteins from the actual virus, so you posted an article supporting vaccines. It indicates breakthrough infection post vaccination is safer than reinfection after you've had COVID, which is the exact opposite of what you want it to say. You really have to read more carefully”
Did you not go through the Animal Studies? Are you just choosing to ignore what they all confirmed as well as the Texas Senate Hearing?
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“A note regarding animal deaths in coronavirus vaccine tests: According to Dr. Lee Merritt, animal tests on coronavirus vaccines using cats and ferrets resulted in what were at first believed to be successful vaccines. However, after the animals were exposed to the wild virus, instead of weakening the virus, the vaccine’s “stylized immuno-response” caused the virus to enter the animal’s body like a Trojan horse. “And then it replicated without checking and killed the cat with overwhelming sepsis and cardiac failure,” Dr. Merritt said. “And that happened in the ferrets. That happened every time they’ve tried this. We have never made it through an animal study successfully for this type of virus.”
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India sure loves them some vaccines, look at this chart: [url]https://www.mygov.in/covid-19/[/url]
i wonder which one they are using..... 4.677 million yesterday
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Welcome back Paul
[Img]https://c.tenor.com/_0cv0UNf6TYAAAAM/bill-hader-watching.gif[/img]
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[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1648858293]India sure loves them some vaccines, look at this chart: [url]https://www.mygov.in/covid-19/[/url]
i wonder which one they are using..... 4.677 million yesterday[/QUOTE]
Weird..India State That Pushed Ivermectin Now Free of Active COVID-19 Cases
Ivermectin for the win?
UTTAR PRADESH, INDIA – Last Friday, the State government of Uttar Pradesh announced that 33 districts in the state are at zero active cases of COVID-19, and 67 districts had not reported any new cases in the past 24 hours.
In total, the state had 199 active cases, with a total estimated population of over 202 million people (as of 2012). The positivity rate, the State confirmed, is at 0.01%, while the recovery rate is holding at 98.7%.
[url]https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/lucknow-news/33-districts-in-uttar-pradesh-are-now-covid-free-state-govt-101631267966925.html[/url]
As of early August, a senior official told The Times of India that 31.3% of the eligible population in the state has taken at least the first dose of a vaccine, and 5.8% of the population was considered fully vaccinated. They also reported an expected uptick in second doses in August.
With such a low vaccination rate, the State has pointed to its early use of Ivermectin as having kept cases and the death rate low.
The Indian Express reported in May that Uttar Pradesh had been giving Ivermectin to patients both as a way to prevent disease and as a way to treat it.
“Uttar Pradesh was the first state in the country to introduce large-scale prophylactic and therapeutic use of Ivermectin,” Uttar Pradesh State Surveillance Officer Vikssendu Agrawal said. “In May-June 2020, a team at [the City of] Agra, led by Dr. Anshul Pareek, administered Ivermectin to all RRT team members in the district on an experimental basis. It was observed that none of them developed Covid-19 despite being in daily contact with patients who had tested positive for the virus.”
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Use both then, the goal is to keep folks alive right?
These indians are not Ferrets ,mice, cats, they are human beings. :)
India recommends homegrown COVID-19 vaccine for kids aged 2 and above
[url]www.reuters.com/world/india/india-recommends-emergency-use-bharat-biotechs-covid-19-shot-kids-2021-10-12/[/url]
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1648858733]Weird..India State That Pushed Ivermectin Now Free of Active COVID-19 Cases
Ivermectin for the win?
UTTAR PRADESH, INDIA – Last Friday, the State government of Uttar Pradesh announced that 33 districts in the state are at zero active cases of COVID-19, and 67 districts had not reported any new cases in the past 24 hours.
In total, the state had 199 active cases, with a total estimated population of over 202 million people (as of 2012). The positivity rate, the State confirmed, is at 0.01%, while the recovery rate is holding at 98.7%.
[url]https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/lucknow-news/33-districts-in-uttar-pradesh-are-now-covid-free-state-govt-101631267966925.html[/url]
As of early August, a senior official told The Times of India that 31.3% of the eligible population in the state has taken at least the first dose of a vaccine, and 5.8% of the population was considered fully vaccinated. They also reported an expected uptick in second doses in August.
With such a low vaccination rate, the State has pointed to its early use of Ivermectin as having kept cases and the death rate low.
The Indian Express reported in May that Uttar Pradesh had been giving Ivermectin to patients both as a way to prevent disease and as a way to treat it.
“Uttar Pradesh was the first state in the country to introduce large-scale prophylactic and therapeutic use of Ivermectin,” Uttar Pradesh State Surveillance Officer Vikssendu Agrawal said. “In May-June 2020, a team at [the City of] Agra, led by Dr. Anshul Pareek, administered Ivermectin to all RRT team members in the district on an experimental basis. It was observed that none of them developed Covid-19 despite being in daily contact with patients who had tested positive for the virus.”[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1648859133]Use both then, the goal is to keep folks alive right?
These indians are not Ferrets ,mice, cats, they are human beings. :)[/QUOTE]
Why would you jab yourself with something that decreases your antibodies by 40%..& more with each “booster”..?
Srs question
& come on man..Reuter’s..?
Da fuk..
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[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1648859273]Why would you jab yourself with something that decreases your antibodies by 40%..& more with each “booster”..?
Srs question
& come on man..Reuter’s..?
Da fuk..[/QUOTE]
i dissected that article...... Da Fuk..
1. Ok, so 2600, double vaxxed, never had covid before, were checked after 6 months and 16% had antibody levels below (84%above) the seropositivity threshold of <50 AU/mL
So out of 2,600 double vaxed 416 were below 50 and
2,184 were above that, but it does not say how high.
2. And 4,400 10.8% of convalescent patients were below (89.2%% above) <50 AU/mL threshold after 9 months from SARS-CoV-2 infection.
and 484 were below 50
while 3,916 were above, but it does not say how high.
Conclusions: 84-89% (6,100 people) are above 50 Au/ml, but we don't have their exact numbers.
if double vaxxed you have an 84% chance of being above 50 au/ml in this *non peer reviewed study*
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[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1648860303]i dissected that article...... Da Fuk..
1. Ok, so 2600, double vaxxed, never had covid before, were checked after 6 months and 16% had antibody levels below (84%above) the seropositivity threshold of <50 AU/mL
So out of 2,600 double vaxed 416 were below 50 and
2,184 were above that, but it does not say how high.
2. And 4,400 10.8% of convalescent patients were below (89.2%% above) <50 AU/mL threshold after 9 months from SARS-CoV-2 infection.
and 484 were below 50
while 3,916 were above, but it does not say how high.
Conclusions: 85-89% (6,100 people) are above 50 Au/ml, but we don't have their exact numbers.[/QUOTE]
Actually the conclusions were:Conclusions This study demonstrates individuals who received the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine have different kinetics of antibody levels compared to patients who had been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, with higher initial levels but a much faster exponential decrease in the first group.”
Even the most recent Pfizer disclosure confirms (in their apparently limited studies a 6% per month decline in efficacy. That's about 16 months before it does nothing (except the adverse reactions of course.)
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[QUOTE=mgftp;1648858493]Welcome back Paul
[Img]https://c.tenor.com/_0cv0UNf6TYAAAAM/bill-hader-watching.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
What's that meme from? And I'm truly envious if you can do that.
He makes me sad, though. It would be easy, albeit really time consuming, to correct and explain everything, but I honestly don't think it would help.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1648860303]i dissected that article...... Da Fuk..
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Nice you're still willing to try
Edit: I did get curious about the docs being sited. One ophthalmologist, one orthopedic surgeon, and a pediatrician. This came up on the orthopod: [url]https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/back-away-americas-frontline-doctors[/url]
Seems she's in the same association as the alien dna/evil spirits doc, and the pediatrician: [url]https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/scicheck-instagram-posts-spread-texas-lawmakers-false-claims-on-vaccine-testing/[/url]
sigh....
ChazWood, you must be loving this lol.
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[img]https://i.imgur.com/63HhIcj.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648860643]What's that meme from? And I'm truly envious if you can do that.
He makes me sad, though. It would be easy, albeit really time consuming, to correct and explain everything, but I honestly don't think it would help.
Nice you're still willing to try
Edit: I did get curious about the docs being sited. One ophthalmologist, one orthopedic surgeon, and a pediatrician. This came up on the orthopod: [url]https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/back-away-americas-frontline-doctors[/url]
Seems she's in the same association as the alien dna/evil spirits doc, and the pediatrician: [url]https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/scicheck-instagram-posts-spread-texas-lawmakers-false-claims-on-vaccine-testing/[/url]
sigh....
ChazWood, you must be loving this lol.[/QUOTE]
Nice deflection..I’ve seen MudBloods post the “witch doctor “ over & over again..unfortunately that’s not the one that spoke at the Senate Hearing, & has absolutely nothing to do with the actual trials..care to try again..?
And are saying that the animal trials are manipulated somehow?
Explain
I’ll wait
Surely you’ll deliver
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[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1648861943]Nice deflection..I’ve seen MudBloods post the “witch doctor “ over & over again..unfortunately that’s not the one that spoke at the Senate Hearing, & has absolutely nothing to do with the actual trials..care to try again..?
And are saying that the animal trials are manipulated somehow?
Explain
I’ll wait
Surely you’ll deliver[/QUOTE]
Which was the wrong doc, and who is the correct one? At least one seemed to have quotes you put in.
As far as what happened on the animal trials, go look up the results, as opposed to the inaccurate info on them. You keep posting he said/she said about these studies, but never the actual links to the data. Check the data and then get back to us, and I'll be happy to explain anything in the results you don't understand. But I'm not going to do the work for you this time.
PS(edit) don't know who MudBlood is, but that link was from the head of a department on science and society at McGill University.
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[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1648860573]Actually the conclusions were:Conclusions This study demonstrates individuals who received the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine have different kinetics of antibody levels compared to patients who had been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, with higher initial levels but a much faster exponential decrease in the first group.”
Even the most recent Pfizer disclosure confirms (in their apparently limited studies a 6% per month decline in efficacy. That's about 16 months before it does nothing (except the adverse reactions of course.)[/QUOTE]
Ok but this is too vague, "different kinetics of antibody levels"?
Wouldn't this be like most things in life, it depends how you react or respond?
Some will be in the below 84% group and some will be in the above 84% group?
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648860643]What's that meme from? And I'm truly envious if you can do that.
He makes me sad, though. It would be easy, albeit really time consuming, to correct and explain everything, but I honestly don't think it would help.
Nice you're still willing to try
Edit: I did get curious about the docs being sited. One ophthalmologist, one orthopedic surgeon, and a pediatrician. This came up on the orthopod: [url]https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/back-away-americas-frontline-doctors[/url]
Seems she's in the same association as the alien dna/evil spirits doc, and the pediatrician: [url]https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/scicheck-instagram-posts-spread-texas-lawmakers-false-claims-on-vaccine-testing/[/url]
sigh....
ChazWood, you must be loving this lol.[/QUOTE]
Great find!
Thanks
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648862253]Which was the wrong doc, and who is the correct one? At least one seemed to have quotes you put in.
As far as what happened on the animal trials, go look up the results, as opposed to the inaccurate info on them. You keep posting he said/she said about these studies, but never the actual links to the data. Check the data and then get back to us, and I'll be happy to explain anything in the results you don't understand. But I'm not going to do the work for you this time.
PS(edit) don't know who MudBlood is, but that link was from the head of a department on science and society at McGill University.[/QUOTE]
Sure I can do that, could you first point to any successful mRNA study done on animals..?
MudBlood’s are those that took the vaccines
PureBloods are those that did not
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[img]https://i.imgur.com/HPLDA5r.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1648864173][img]https://i.imgur.com/HPLDA5r.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]Lol.
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[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1648863533]Sure I can do that, could you first point to any successful mRNA study done on animals..?
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Sure. 30 seconds I can spare.
Here are 3.
[url]https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abi4506[/url]
[url]https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-06-mrna-vaccine-yields-full-malaria.html[/url]
[url]https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.08.280818v1[/url]
and here's one on a vector vaccine, just for good luck.
[url]https://www.pnas.org/content/118/12/e2026785118[/url]
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648864423]Sure. 30 seconds I can spare.
Here are 3.
[url]https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abi4506[/url]
[url]https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-06-mrna-vaccine-yields-full-malaria.html[/url]
[url]https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.08.280818v1[/url]
and here's one on a vector vaccine, just for good luck.
[url]https://www.pnas.org/content/118/12/e2026785118[/url][/QUOTE]Ethered.
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I don't know what Ethered means in this context, but in other news, Captain Kirk (90 years old and vaccinated) flew into space today.
Do you guys think he'll give the Vulcan's the Damnation COVID Strain or the Omega Glory COVID Strain?
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648865423]I don't know what Ethered means in this context[/QUOTE]
It means professional scientist soul-crushed conspiratorial hobby scientist.
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648860643]What's that meme from? And I'm truly envious if you can do that.
He makes me sad, though. It would be easy, albeit really time consuming, to correct and explain everything, but I honestly don't think it would help.
Nice you're still willing to try
Edit: I did get curious about the docs being sited. One ophthalmologist, one orthopedic surgeon, and a pediatrician. This came up on the orthopod: [url]https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/back-away-americas-frontline-doctors[/url]
Seems she's in the same association as the alien dna/evil spirits doc, and the pediatrician: [url]https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/scicheck-instagram-posts-spread-texas-lawmakers-false-claims-on-vaccine-testing/[/url]
sigh....
ChazWood, you must be loving this lol.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea on the gif. I just Google "popcorn gif", lol.
And I just don't have the time or energy anymore for these people who want to believe a certain thing. I've seen Paul post enough nonsense ITT and the main forums that I don't even want to waste my time coming the conclusion that that latest post is also nonsense. Very true one day something could be posted that is very legitimate and I wrongfully dismiss it, but it's a boy who cried wolf at this point for me unless I find myself in great need of procrastination.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648865423]I don't know what Ethered means in this context, but in other news, Captain Kirk (90 years old and vaccinated) flew into space today.
Do you guys think he'll give the Vulcan's the Damnation COVID Strain or the Omega Glory COVID Strain?[/QUOTE]
People who think the Covid vaccine is unsafe need to look no further than Biden. 120 years old, can barely walk or form a sentence yet 3 shots later and he is no worse off than before his first.
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[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1648864423]Sure. 30 seconds I can spare.
Here are 3.
[url]https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abi4506[/url]
[url]https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-06-mrna-vaccine-yields-full-malaria.html[/url]
[url]https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.08.280818v1[/url]
and here's one on a vector vaccine, just for good luck.
[url]https://www.pnas.org/content/118/12/e2026785118[/url][/QUOTE]
And that’s what I thought..None of these studies address the concern of all those that I posted, & that of the senate hearing..reinfection.
That is the concern & what I’m trying to address..
Remember this bit..
“note regarding animal deaths in coronavirus vaccine tests: According to Dr. Lee Merritt, animal tests on coronavirus vaccines using cats and ferrets resulted in what were at first believed to be successful vaccines. However, after the animals were exposed to the wild virus, instead of weakening the virus, the vaccine’s “stylized immuno-response” caused the virus to enter the animal’s body like a Trojan horse. “And then it replicated without checking and killed the cat with overwhelming sepsis and cardiac failure,” Dr. Merritt said. “And that happened in the ferrets. That happened every time they’ve tried this. We have never made it through an animal study successfully for this type of virus.”
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[QUOTE=mgftp;1648866183]
People who think the Covid vaccine is unsafe need to look no further than Biden. 120 years old, can barely walk or form a sentence yet 3 shots later and he is no worse off than before his first.[/QUOTE]
Funny lol
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[QUOTE=mtpockets;1648867313]Funny lol[/QUOTE]
You people actually think Biden got vaccinated..you really think they would risk that...FFS
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How did the Mice do, i am not a Cat or Ferret kind of guy?
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[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1648867463]You people actually think Biden got vaccinated..you really think they would risk that...FFS[/QUOTE]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/VAs2zP1.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=mgftp;1648866183]People who think the Covid vaccine is unsafe need to look no further than Biden. 120 years old, can barely walk or form a sentence yet 3 shots later and he is no worse off than before his first.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1648867313]Funny lol[/QUOTE]
Guy doesn't look a day over 95 most of the time. Wonder if the Spike protein made him more prickly though, because he sure is grumpy lately.
Also, if you think about how much each term seems to have aged previous presidents, and look at Biden, how old will he be in 3 more years? It's kinda scary!
Worst job in the world if your not Jed Bartlet.
Edit: Popcorn = Bill Hader on SNL. Guy's impressions are amazing. Arnold and Tom C !
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[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1648868523]How did the Mice do, i am not a Cat or Ferret kind of guy?[/QUOTE]
Sure
Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus
study on mice from 2002
[url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1648866883]And that’s what I thought..None of these studies address the concern of all those that I posted, & that of the senate hearing..reinfection.
That is the concern & what I’m trying to address..
Remember this bit..
“note regarding animal deaths in coronavirus vaccine tests: According to Dr. Lee Merritt, animal tests on coronavirus vaccines using cats and ferrets resulted in what were at first believed to be successful vaccines. However, after the animals were exposed to the wild virus, instead of weakening the virus, the vaccine’s “stylized immuno-response” caused the virus to enter the animal’s body like a Trojan horse. “And then it replicated without checking and killed the cat with overwhelming sepsis and cardiac failure,” Dr. Merritt said. “And that happened in the ferrets. That happened every time they’ve tried this. We have never made it through an animal study successfully for this type of virus.”[/QUOTE]
Paul, if the people were going to die from a wild strain post vaccination, don’t you think the numbers would be off the charts right now? There are lots of “breakthrough” infections, so that indicates vaccinated people are becoming infected. Sure some die, but it’s the same folks that would have died anyway without the vaccine more than likely. It’s not young healthy people…
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[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1648870553]Paul, if the people were going to die from a wild strain post vaccination, don’t you think the numbers would be off the charts right now? There are lots of “breakthrough” infections, so that indicates vaccinated people are becoming infected. Sure some die, but it’s the same folks that would have died anyway without the vaccine more than likely. It’s not young healthy people…[/QUOTE]
A couple of things here..”Sure some die, but it’s the same folks that would have died anyway without the vaccine ”.. it’s the same with Covid..at a 99.997% survival rate tell me why we are vaccinatating..? I mean if you are going to argue..”but the elderly” ..Viruses are living organisms that adapt to survive. Giving the vaccine to the weakest people first was actually stupid.
Second, the whole argument is reinfection..that’s the point of all the studies & senate hearings..
Do you realize how many deaths & adverse reactions have been because of the vaccines? You saw my thread on the young athletes..
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[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1648866883]According to Dr. Lee Merritt......snip[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, good ol' Dr. Lee Merritt the "Medical Rebel" as she calls herself....you know, the one who has been blocked from the Hospital webpage where she used to be the Chief of Staff. Her webpage reads like the National Enquirer.
