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Pockets I was going to reply to the cold $hit temp. It’s gone, did a mod remove it?
LOL.
[QUOTE=LWW;1638924843]Pockets I was going to reply to the cold $hit temp. It’s gone, did a mod remove it?
LOL.[/QUOTE]
Damn, I did by mistake.. Going back now
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[QUOTE=Jtbny;1638913403]Life is full of choices. Your business made a choice to have it's employees fully vaccinated in order to survive. I'm sure this can be and will be challenged in the courts but in the [b] meantime there isn't an discrimination here [/b]and YOU get to choose to work there or not.
Freedom rocks!
Nothing really scary here you're just so far down the conspiracy rabbit hole you think the sky is falling.
TLDR; you're a clown.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. If someone is not medically able to be vaccinated due to allergic reaction etc., or for qualified religious exemption, both of those would fall under protected classes.
Otherwise, yep employers can set the rules, employees can follow or leave. I do not agree with it in this case, but that's the way it is.
ITT people have passed the moron compliance test with flying colors.
Pretty damn sad...you are all reasonably intelligent.
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1638933863]ITT people have passed the moron compliance test with flying colors.
Pretty damn sad.[/QUOTE]
Aren;t you the same person who says Covid vaccine trials should include patients with Covid antibodies?
[QUOTE=mgftp;1638908363]It's terms of employment. I have had to get flue shots for two decades, dress a certain way, not have tattoos on my face, etc. Not sure why getting a Covid vaccine as terms of employment is anymore offensive than needing to wear a blue polo shirt and a name tag or anything else. Don't like it, you choose to work elsewhere, that simple. Everyone leaves jobs and finds "better" employment for different reasons.
July 12th is nearly two months away, I'd say that's incredibly reasonable. Not like they are mandating vaccination tomorrow. That I could see getting upset about.[/QUOTE]
What if you got a job that did not require vaccinations and all of the sudden they change their policy? Wouldn't that upset you?
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1638933863]ITT people have passed the moron compliance test with flying colors.
Pretty damn sad...you are all reasonably intelligent.[/QUOTE]
If anyone would know about a Moron test, it would be you for sure.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1638934053]Aren;t you the same person who says Covid vaccine trials should include patients with Covid antibodies?[/QUOTE]
Thank you for showing that you clearly did not understand what I posted.
Let’s walk through it step by step..here is what I posted..
Immunity to the Coronavirus May Last Years, New Data Hint
Blood samples from recovered patients suggest a powerful, long-lasting immune response, researchers reported.
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/health/coronavirus-immunity.amp.html[/url]
Persistence of Antibody and Cellular Immune Responses in COVID-19 patients over Nine Months after Infection
[url]https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/infdis/jiab255/6274562[/url]
Now..if the above is true..(here’s the key..so listen up..it IS)
Then why is it that We are told that herd immunity cannot be achieved naturally? according to the CDC & Faucci, natural herd immunity is not enough. And if 90% of the population must be vaccinated (Faucci’s words) then clearly we should be running trials in those that have had CV as well.
I realize that this is all a shame..clearly you do not.
Do you understand now?
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1638936693]Thank you for showing that you clearly did not understand what I posted.
Let’s walk through it step by step..here is what I posted..
Immunity to the Coronavirus May Last Years, New Data Hint
Blood samples from recovered patients suggest a powerful, long-lasting immune response, researchers reported.
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/health/coronavirus-immunity.amp.html[/url]
Persistence of Antibody and Cellular Immune Responses in COVID-19 patients over Nine Months after Infection
[url]https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/infdis/jiab255/6274562[/url]
Now..if the above is true..(here’s the key..so listen up..it fuking IS)
Then why is it that We are told that herd immunity cannot be achieved naturally? according to the CDC & Faucci, natural herd immunity is not enough. And if 90% of the population must be vaccinated (Faucci’s words) then clearly we should be running trials in those that have had CV as well.
I realize that this is all a shame..clearly you do not.
Do you understand now?[/QUOTE]
No offense but clearly don't understand the basic concept of a clinical trial. And those basic concepts are why including patients with antibodies to test a vaccine's effectiveness is silly.
The question of natural heard immunity is irrelevant since vaccines get you there quicker with much less death and hospitalizations even if heard immunity is possible.
All a shame?
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1638936693]Thank you for showing that you clearly did not understand what I posted.
Let’s walk through it step by step..here is what I posted..
Immunity to the Coronavirus May Last Years, New Data Hint
Blood samples from recovered patients suggest a powerful, long-lasting immune response, researchers reported.
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/health/coronavirus-immunity.amp.html[/url]
Persistence of Antibody and Cellular Immune Responses in COVID-19 patients over Nine Months after Infection
[url]https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/infdis/jiab255/6274562[/url]
Now..if the above is true..(here’s the key..so listen up..it IS)
Then why is it that We are told that herd immunity cannot be achieved naturally? according to the CDC & Faucci, natural herd immunity is not enough. And if 90% of the population must be vaccinated (Faucci’s words) then clearly we should be running trials in those that have had CV as well.
I realize that this is all a shame..clearly you do not.
Do you understand now?[/QUOTE]
Paul you have been at this for a year, how much are the Kennedy's paying you?
At this late stage in the Covid 19 game, what is your purpose?
Minds are already made up on both sides.
Do you understand now?
[QUOTE=mgftp;1638937313]No offense but clearly don't understand the basic concept of a clinical trial. And those basic concepts are why including patients with antibodies to test a vaccine's effectiveness is silly.
The question of natural heard immunity is irrelevant since vaccines get you there quicker with much less death and hospitalizations even if heard immunity is possible.
All a shame?[/QUOTE]
Yea..you still aren’t getting it. Ubiquitous viruses are fought and defeated primarily by the T-Cell lymphocytes within our immune systems, Not from natural or artificially implanted antibodies.
If those that had Covid, do not need the vaccine (as they are not in the trial testing)...then why does 90% of the population need to be vaccinated?
There are currently five VOCs in the United States:
B.1.1.7: This variant was first identified in the US in December 2020. It was initially detected in the UK.
B.1.351: This variant was first identified in the US at the end of January 2021. It was initially detected in South Africa in December 2020.
P.1: This variant was first detected in the US in January 2021. P.1 was initially identified in travelers from Brazil, who were tested during routine screening at an airport in Japan, in early January.
B.1.427 and B.1.429: These two variants were first identified in California in February 2021 and were classified as VOCs in March 2021.
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1638937923]Yea..you still aren’t getting it. Ubiquitous viruses are fought and defeated primarily by the T-Cell lymphocytes within our immune systems, Not from natural or artificially implanted antibodies.
If those that had Covid, do not need the vaccine (as they are not in the trial testing)...then why does 90% of the population need to be vaccinated?[/QUOTE]
Cell mediated response, T-cells, helper Ts and a host of other immunoglobulins result from post-infection and vaccine induced immunity. That is why kids get sick so frequently, their immune systems are developing. That is also why breast fed babies get a jump start in immune system efficiency from both direct protection from antibodies in colostrum as well as exposure to bacteria on the skin while nursing. Vaccine induced immune responses are still a natural immune response, just safer than exposure to the actual pathogen (in intent). You are WAY out of your depth, no mater how many google searches you run.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1638939473]There are currently five VOCs in the United States:
B.1.1.7: This variant was first identified in the US in December 2020. It was initially detected in the UK.
B.1.351: This variant was first identified in the US at the end of January 2021. It was initially detected in South Africa in December 2020.
P.1: This variant was first detected in the US in January 2021. P.1 was initially identified in travelers from Brazil, who were tested during routine screening at an airport in Japan, in early January.
B.1.427 and B.1.429: These two variants were first identified in California in February 2021 and were classified as VOCs in March 2021.[/QUOTE]
Remember that line I said about passing the moron compliance test with flying colors..?
April 22, 2020..
“Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 variants”
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20200422/Coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-strains.aspx[/url]
April 21,2020
“Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains, Chinese study finds”
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/04/21/coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-different-strains-study/amp/[/url]
April 21,2020
“Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains new study finds”
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/health-science/coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-different-strains-new-study-finds-625333/amp[/url]
April 22,2020
“Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains, study finds”
[url]https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-different-strains-study-finds.amp[/url]
May 5, 2020
“Scientists say a now-dominant strain of the coronavirus could be more contagious than original”
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original%3f_amp=true[/url]
Welcome to the collapse of the narrative
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1638939823]Cell mediated response, T-cells, helper Ts and a host of other immunoglobulins result from post-infection and vaccine induced immunity. That is why kids get sick so frequently, their immune systems are developing. That is also why breast fed babies get a jump start in immune system efficiency from both direct protection from antibodies in colostrum as well as exposure to bacteria on the skin while nursing. Vaccine induced immune responses are still a natural immune response, just safer than exposure to the actual pathogen (in intent). You are WAY out of your depth, no mater how many google searches you run.[/QUOTE]
That was a lot of words that did not answer the question whatsoever. A+ for deflection though..I’ll ask again..
If those that had Covid, do not need the vaccine (as they are not in the trial testing)...then why does 90% of the population need to be vaccinated?
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1638939823]Cell mediated response, T-cells, helper Ts and a host of other immunoglobulins result from post-infection and vaccine induced immunity. That is why kids get sick so frequently, their immune systems are developing. That is also why breast fed babies get a jump start in immune system efficiency from both direct protection from antibodies in colostrum as well as exposure to bacteria on the skin while nursing. Vaccine induced immune responses are still a natural immune response, just safer than exposure to the actual pathogen (in intent). You are WAY out of your depth, no mater how many google searches you run.[/QUOTE]
You realize you're arguing with someone who thinks we "implant" antibodies in people, couldn't understand why the vaccine studies excluded post infection subjects and still believes measles and polio were almost gone by the time we developed vaccines to them... .
So yeah i went to the CDC website DIRECTLY and did a copy/paste; i dont trust the "Paul Agenga" for facts any longer.
ANY PERSON THAT SPENDS TIME BELITTLING OTHERS HAS SOME MAJOR INSECURITIES AND IS OVERCOMPENSATING.
"Remember that line I said about passing the moron compliance test with flying colors"
"Yea..you still aren’t getting it"
"Thank you for showing that you clearly did not understand what I posted."
"Let’s walk through it step by step"
"ITT people have passed the moron compliance test with flying colors.
Pretty damn sad...you are all reasonably intelligent."
"Um.. the paper is about viral shedding..you do understand that..right?"
"I knew you’d be that guy"
Phone
CDC Health Line
1-800-CDC-INFO (1-800-232-4636)
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1638940023]Remember that line I said about passing the moron compliance test with flying colors..?
April 22, 2020..
“Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 variants”
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20200422/Coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-strains.aspx[/url]
April 21,2020
“Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains, Chinese study finds”
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/04/21/coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-different-strains-study/amp/[/url]
April 21,2020
“Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains new study finds”
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/health-science/coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-different-strains-new-study-finds-625333/amp[/url]
April 22,2020
“Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains, study finds”
[url]https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-different-strains-study-finds.amp[/url]
May 5, 2020
“Scientists say a now-dominant strain of the coronavirus could be more contagious than original”
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original%3f_amp=true[/url]
Welcome to the collapse of the narrative[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1638944643]You realize you're arguing with someone who thinks we "implant" antibodies in people, couldn't understand why the vaccine studies excluded post infection subjects and still believes measles and polio were almost gone by the time we developed vaccines to them... .[/QUOTE]
They produce them..strong knowledge of implant
Clearly you are not burdened by an abundance of an education
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1638945143]So yeah i went to the CDC website DIRECTLY and did a copy/paste; i dont trust the "Paul Agenga" for facts any longer.
ANY PERSON THAT SPENDS TIME BELITTLING OTHERS HAS SOME MAJOR INSECURITIES AND IS OVERCOMPENSATING.
"Remember that line I said about passing the moron compliance test with flying colors"
"Yea..you still aren’t getting it"
"Thank you for showing that you clearly did not understand what I posted."
"Let’s walk through it step by step"
"ITT people have passed the moron compliance test with flying colors.
Pretty damn sad...you are all reasonably intelligent."
"Um.. the paper is about viral shedding..you do understand that..right?"
"I knew you’d be that guy"
Phone
CDC Health Line
1-800-CDC-INFO (1-800-232-4636)[/QUOTE]
Are you claiming that all those links are wrong then?
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1638945523]Are you claiming that all those links are wrong then?[/QUOTE]
1.First, i was highlighting your tone to many of us, and how condescending it is... even though you may disagree.( see direct quotes in a list)
2. I posted my own link *******with no commentary*********( from the cdc webpage) for others to read, that was it, no more,no less.
3. I don't need to claim anything this is not an editorial, i just made a post.
4. When the CDC updates, i will as well.
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1638937923]Yea..you still aren’t getting it. Ubiquitous viruses are fought and defeated primarily by the T-Cell lymphocytes within our immune systems, Not from natural or artificially implanted antibodies.
If those that had Covid, do not need the vaccine (as they are not in the trial testing)...then why does 90% of the population need to be vaccinated?[/QUOTE]
No, you aren't getting it. Forget all your other ramblings, when it comes to clinical trial design alone, you don't get it. Again, no offense, your average person probably doesn't get it. But your average person isn't talking about it like they do. It's silly to read you continue to post things based upon flawed ideas due to lack of understanding of core concepts. You are obviously deep into some misinformation hole that I'd encourage you to find your way out of. It's like having a conversation with someone who believes the earth is flat.
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1638940023]Remember that line I said about passing the moron compliance test with flying colors..?
April 22, 2020..
“Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 variants”
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20200422/Coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-strains.aspx[/url]
April 21,2020
“Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains, Chinese study finds”
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/04/21/coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-different-strains-study/amp/[/url]
April 21,2020
“Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains new study finds”
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/health-science/coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-different-strains-new-study-finds-625333/amp[/url]
April 22,2020
“Coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different strains, study finds”
[url]https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-different-strains-study-finds.amp[/url]
May 5, 2020
“Scientists say a now-dominant strain of the coronavirus could be more contagious than original”
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original%3f_amp=true[/url]
Welcome to the collapse of the narrative[/QUOTE]
You really gotta stop name calling in relation to the intelligence of others considering the stuff you are posting.
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1638945463]They produce them..strong knowledge of implant
Clearly you are not burdened by an abundance of an education[/QUOTE]
Isn't he an MD? What exactly is your education? Very curious. SrS
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1638899173]We don’t have to hypothetically suppose anything..if you had Covid..you don’t need the vaccine..
“Persistence of Antibody and Cellular Immune Responses in COVID-19 patients over Nine Months after Infection”
[url]https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/infdis/jiab255/6274562[/url]
“Immunity to the Coronavirus May Last Years, New Data Hint
Blood samples from recovered patients suggest a powerful, long-lasting immune response, researchers reported.”
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/health/coronavirus-immunity.amp.html[/url][/QUOTE]
As a kid I had
pertussis
measles
chickenpox
mumps
Those are all viruses and therefore they do what viruses do, they mutate. And since when I was a kid nobody got vaccinated for those diseases, the viruses circulated. A lot. And they tell us infection = mutation. Oddly though, I never had a recurrence of any of those diseases. Not one. How is it possible if viruses mutate? Curious minds want to know. Also they don't seem to make such a big deal about mutations for other vaccines, like polio, diphtheria or tetanus. Why not? Diphtheria is a hell of a lot worse than covid, shouldn't we worry about mutations? Or is it that only COVID mutates and invalidates the vaccine? Wow that's one special virus...
[QUOTE=Plateauplower;1638933523]I disagree. If someone is not medically able to be vaccinated due to allergic reaction etc., or for qualified religious exemption, both of those would fall under protected classes.
Otherwise, yep employers can set the rules, employees can follow or leave. I do not agree with it in this case, but that's the way it is.[/QUOTE]
How would anyone KNOW they would get an allergic reaction unless they’ve been fully vaccinated, I know they could get only one shot and find that out, but the whole concept is strange.
Can’t someone just say they are terrified of getting a vaccine like a phobia?
This whole thing sucks big time, I call for people to boycott any company that forces this chit......
I’m creating dozens of fake FB accounts to spread this boycott!!!!
[QUOTE=mgftp;1638947763]No, you aren't getting it. Forget all your other ramblings, when it comes to clinical trial design alone, you don't get it. Again, no offense, your average person probably doesn't get it. But your average person isn't talking about it like they do. It's silly to read you continue to post things based upon flawed ideas due to lack of understanding of core concepts. You are obviously deep into some misinformation hole that I'd encourage you to find your way out of. It's like having a conversation with someone who believes the earth is flat.
You really gotta stop name calling in relation to the intelligence of others considering the stuff you are posting.
Isn't he an MD? What exactly is your education? Very curious. SrS[/QUOTE]
Why is it so difficult for you to answer a simple question?
If those that had Covid, do not need the vaccine (as they are not in the trial testing)...then why does 90% of the population need to be vaccinated?
Can you just please answer this one question.
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1638945463]They produce them..strong knowledge of implant
Clearly you are not burdened by an abundance of an education[/QUOTE]
So you're saying he should bow to your superior medical education???
Please go back up some of the posts in this thread and see if you can figure out his level of education.
Paul, I'm more than happy to agree to disagree on a lot of stuff but that post has strayed over the line. I can't politely smile and ignore.[i] I have to call it out as complete BS[/i]
The idea is that people who historically had Covid (or rather infection by SARS-CoV-2) get the vaccine as a kind of booster. I'd prefer to hear it from him, but unless he has superhuman patience he's probably checked out of the thread or has you on ignore so that's my answer in case we never see him again
[QUOTE=OldFartTom;1638948373]So you're saying he should bow to your superior medical education???
Please go back up some of the posts in this thread and see if you can figure out his level of education.
Paul, I'm more than happy to agree to disagree on a lot of stuff but that post has strayed over the line. I can't politely smile and ignore.[i] I have to call it out as complete BS[/i]
The idea is that people who historically had Covid (or rather infection by SARS-CoV-2) get the vaccine as a kind of booster. I'd prefer to hear it from him, but unless he has superhuman patience he's probably checked out of the thread or has you on ignore so that's my answer in case we never see him again[/QUOTE]
Yes, that was just me being snarky
I apologize
I wish you fellers would give old Paul a break. Not that I am a fan or anything, but I haven't been able to get on google all afternoon :D
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1638945463]They produce them..strong knowledge of implant
Clearly you are not burdened by an abundance of an education[/QUOTE]
Actually, just finished reading and commenting on a device protocol synopsis because we have a request for a proposal to run it for someone.
You might be surprised at what is considered a new drug vs a device or what it means to implant something. Anyway, questioning things is good. The problem is you post about things you don't understand and get a lot of things wrong. I apologize if it's insulting, but I'm not going to take the time to correct you anymore unless I think your posts might actually convince somebody about something that could harm them.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1638947763]No, you aren't getting it. Forget all your other ramblings, when it comes to clinical trial design alone, you don't get it. Again, no offense, your average person probably doesn't get it. But your average person isn't talking about it like they do. It's silly to read you continue to post things based upon flawed ideas due to lack of understanding of core concepts. You are obviously deep into some misinformation hole that I'd encourage you to find your way out of. It's like having a conversation with someone who believes the earth is flat.
You really gotta stop name calling in relation to the intelligence of others considering the stuff you are posting.
Isn't he an MD? What exactly is your education? Very curious. SrS[/QUOTE]
I am, and I appreciate the thought, but since I'm also some unknown person posting on a website, his skepticism is reasonable. If you think about it, it's the one thing he's getting right. On the other stuff, unfortunately, I don't think he actually wants to understand.
Editing to to add:
I don't mean that last as an insult Paul. I'm just convinced you have some other reason for sticking to your theories despite all the evidence against most of them. But it's nice that you are consistent and questioning. More people should put in as much effort as you do.
[QUOTE=sy2502;1638935913]What if you got a job that did not require vaccinations and all of the sudden they change their policy? Wouldn't that upset you?[/QUOTE]
On the surface of course. Any change at work is frustrating.
But I think the reality is unless you are hired somewhere after Covid vaccines are available and they stated they aren't required before you accepted and offer it's just the way it is. Environments change and employers change job requirements. All work is at will, and anyone can leave when they like. For the past two weeks my boss's boss has been a clueless a-hole and I've thought about walking, lol.
[QUOTE=Paul Kreul;1638948003]Why is it so difficult for you to answer a simple question?
If those that had Covid, do not need the vaccine (as they are not in the trial testing)...then why does 90% of the population need to be vaccinated?
Can you just please answer this one question.[/QUOTE]
Because the question is irrelevant to your original "point" I was criticizing. Beyond that I am puzzled halfway through, "If those that had Covid, do not need the vaccine"... Where are you even getting that? I certainly never said it.
Can you please disclose your education since you keep claiming others are uneducated. Thank you.