[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646765123]WTF do you mean that shows the opposite? Do you even understand what the infographic that I posted represents?[/QUOTE]
I do - shows that 76% of PhDs aren't hesitant. But good argument tough guy.
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[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646765123]WTF do you mean that shows the opposite? Do you even understand what the infographic that I posted represents?[/QUOTE]
I do - shows that 76% of PhDs aren't hesitant. But good argument tough guy.
[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646765123]WTF do you mean that shows the opposite? Do you even understand what the infographic that I posted represents?[/QUOTE]
Calm down, mic dropper, geezus. You sound like you need a nap and a binky. I'm seeing the higher the education level, the lower the vaccine hesitancy. But like mgftp says, you can find support for just about anything you want to believe on the internet.
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1646765343]I do - shows that 76% of PhDs aren't hesitant. But good argument tough guy.[/QUOTE]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/K897D7f.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Jtbny;1646765343]I do - shows that 76% of PhDs aren't hesitant. But good argument tough guy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bustasinclair;1646765573]Calm down, mic dropper, geezus. You sound like you need a nap and a binky. I'm seeing the higher the education level, the lower the vaccine hesitancy. But like mgftp says, you can find support for just about anything you want to believe on the internet.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646765783][img]https://i.imgur.com/K897D7f.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
[img]https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif[/img]
It shows that 1/4 of all people that are hesitant are doctors. Not 1/4 of doctors.
Doctors only make up .25% of our population.
Since you guys are so intelligent, do the math.
It amazes me how easy it is to hand you guys your asses. And you think you are the smart ones. LOL
I'm actually getting bored of owning you guys with facts vs your feelings. Have fun in your circle jerk.
I took some Ivermectin yesterday.
The Dr. says I'm in stable condition.
Those last comments speak to a person who is only interested in slam dunking, owning,handing asses, and showing how smart we are not.
That is today's internet for a certain group now.
Ownage....I showed you, I am smarter than you are, I got graphics.
Gtfoh with that immature fkn bs nonsense.
Good riddance!
[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646765903][img]https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif[/img]
It shows that 1/4 of all people that are hesitant are doctors. Not 1/4 of doctors.
Doctors only make up .25% of our population.
Since you guys are so intelligent, do the math.
It amazes me how easy it is to hand you guys your asses. And you think you are the smart ones. LOL
I'm actually getting bored of owning you guys with facts vs your feelings. Have fun in your circle jerk.[/QUOTE]
Quoting this for yet another example of an anti vax idiot not being able to interpret a table.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646752463]The problem is we have this group of people who are anti-vax who want something like ivermectin to be an answer. And those people aren't as educated or in some cases as intelligent as someone like yourself. They see a link or an infographic supporting what they want to be truth and it starts spreading between these like-minded people. It's sad but it's misinformation being fed to the people who are must vulnerable to misinformation by the people who are most vulnerable to misinformation.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646757943]It is a bad situation because some of these things can be pretty convincing, and on top of that I think many people that want to believe something aren't putting in the effort to question if what they want to believe is valid.[/QUOTE]
And what I said plays out
[Img]https://c.tenor.com/C9D0N6UXkzIAAAAC/disappointment-shake-head.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1646766973]Those last comments speak to a person who is only interested in slam dunking, owning,handing asses, and showing how smart we are not.
That is today's internet for a certain group now.
Ownage....I showed you, I am smarter than you are, I got graphics.
Gtfoh with that immature fkn bs nonsense.
Good riddance![/QUOTE]
LOL. Right. You can't have civil discourse with people like that.
[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646762383]Yes. I did.
[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full.pdf[/url]
Like I said, **** you and your superiority complex.[/QUOTE]
A) pre-print
B)
[img]https://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9361813&d=1631298681[/img]
C) Nice that you vetted the data source so carefully, but dig a little into the article and then tell me what it implies. The article discusses the data source. That picture agrees with their finding that about 2% of the people who responded to a ******** survey said they had a PhD, and that 0.46% of the people who responded saying they were hesitant to get a covid vaccine also said they had a PhDs (in something).
So does it actually prove that 23% of people with PhD's were hesitant to get a COVID vaccine prior to March? And if it does, in your opinion, what does that mean?
edit:
I hadn't read the below quote before I posted, so I didn't realize you had misunderstood the implications of that paper. It was supposed to be joking, but now it seems arrogant. I apologize, but it doesn't say, imply, or demonstrate what you seem to think it does.
[QUOTE=pondus_levo;1646765903]
It shows that 1/4 of all people that are hesitant are doctors. Not 1/4 of doctors.
Doctors only make up .25% of our population.
Since you guys are so intelligent, do the math.
It amazes me how easy it is to hand you guys your asses. And you think you are the smart ones. LOL
I'm actually getting bored of owning you guys with facts vs your feelings. Have fun in your circle jerk.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bustasinclair;1646768343]LOL. Right. You can't have civil discourse with people like that.[/QUOTE]
Can try. Just can't have fun poking fun at some things like I tried to do above, and not look like an arrogant @$$ (which I just managed to do swimmingly).
[quote=pondus_levo;1646760283][img]https://unherd.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/image-8-1.png[/img]
80% have at least some college. 24% are doctors. These people are not stupid.
Such a lib thing to say. "vulnerable to misinformation." when you don't even do 1/3 of the research they do.
**** you and your superiority complex.[/quote]this!
So we're still going to talk about this as if it's about a virus?
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646764553][img]https://i.imgur.com/3unHjZL.jpg?1[/img][/QUOTE]
LoL, love this.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646768713]A) pre-print
B)
[img]https://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9361813&d=1631298681[/img]
C) Nice that you vetted the data source so carefully, but dig a little into the article and then tell me what it implies. The article discusses the data source. That picture agrees with their finding that about 2% of the people who responded to a ******** survey said they had a PhD, and that 0.46% of the people who responded saying they were hesitant to get a covid vaccine also said they had a PhDs (in something).
So does it actually prove that 23% of people with PhD's were hesitant to get a COVID vaccine prior to March? And if it does, in your opinion, what does that mean?
edit:
I hadn't read the below quote before I posted, so I didn't realize you had misunderstood the implications of that paper. It was supposed to be joking, but now it seems arrogant. I apologize, but it doesn't say, imply, or demonstrate what you seem to think it does.
Can try. Just can't have fun poking fun at some things like I tried to do above, and not look like an arrogant @$$ (which I just managed to do swimmingly).[/QUOTE]
I so much admire that you still have the energy to dig into this stuff. I'd assume you are great at your job because of these curiosities. I don't have the energy anymore when it comes to most things Covid. Although I must admit I dug into some ivermectin meta-analysis the other day because it's a topic I haven't explored. The data was horrible and how the findings were presented was downright misleading. After that I've seen a few other ivermectin is the best thing for Covid "studies" or infographics but I don't have the energy to look into them all, as I figure it's more of the same, just like the demographic data this gentleman was posting. I enjoy having you ITT because you do the work I am too lazy to do. And I realize part of that is probably just you get through it quicker being more intelligent, but still, appreciated. May your Volvo keep you safe for us.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646771423]LoL, love this.
I so much admire that you still have the energy to dig into this stuff. I'd assume you are great at your job because of these curiosities. I don't have the energy anymore when it comes to most things Covid. Although I must admit I dug into some ivermectin meta-analysis the other day because it's a topic I haven't explored. The data was horrible and how the findings were presented was downright misleading. After that I've seen a few other ivermectin is the best thing for Covid "studies" or infographics but I don't have the energy to look into them all, as I figure it's more of the same, just like the demographic data this gentleman was posting. I enjoy having you ITT because you do the work I am too lazy to do. And I realize part of that is probably just you get through it quicker being more intelligent, but still, appreciated. May your Volvo keep you safe for us.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. Could be I just get bored reviewing pharma data after about 30 minutes and need a lot of breaks lol.
What I didn't realize before my now snarky sounding post was that he, and apparently a few other people, look at the graph and think it says 23.9% of the people who were hesitant to get the vaccine had a PhD. How could that be possible? It does kind of say 23.9% of people with PhD's were still hesitant to get a COVID vaccine in March.
To me, it says .46% of the people who said they were still hesitant to get the vaccine on a ******** survey also said they had a PhD. So 1 in 200 people who didn't want to get the vaccine and were willing to say that also said they had a PhD. I think the data source is reasonable and the group and CMU is probably very good at looking at their data. But even if I believe it's accurate, it doesn't mean much until you spin it. I'll be interested to see how it evolves though, because that may tell us something about how rigid people can be in their thinking.
Thanks too for the kind safety wish, but my kids have the Volvo's. How'd you even remember the Volvo thing though? Impressive! I've still got my wife's 2014 hand me down Durango, and I like it. It has the ventilated front seats for our NC summers and I can abuse it and not care.
France just banned unvaccinated American travelers
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646773023]Thanks. Could be I just get bored reviewing pharma data after about 30 minutes and need a lot of breaks lol.
What I didn't realize before my now snarky sounding post was that he, and apparently a few other people, look at the graph and think it says 23.9% of the people who were hesitant to get the vaccine had a PhD. How could that be possible? It does kind of say 23.9% of people with PhD's were still hesitant to get a COVID vaccine in March.
To me, it says .46% of the people who said they were still hesitant to get the vaccine on a ******** survey also said they had a PhD. So 1 in 200 people who didn't want to get the vaccine and were willing to say that also said they had a PhD. I think the data source is reasonable and the group and CMU is probably very good at looking at their data. But even if I believe it's accurate, it doesn't mean much until you spin it. I'll be interested to see how it evolves though, because that may tell us something about how rigid people can be in their thinking.
Thanks too for the kind safety wish, but my kids have the Volvo's. How'd you even remember the Volvo thing though? Impressive! I've still got my wife's 2014 hand me down Durango, and I like it. It has the ventilated front seats for our NC summers and I can abuse it and not care.[/QUOTE]
You would have gotten a kick out of the Ivermectin infographic that was floating around the misc not long ago. Had about 20 "studies" which varried in sample size from single digits to hundreds. The larger studies actually showed zero to negative effect of ivermectin in treating Covid yet the infographic said something to the effect of 70-80% effective based upon the fact that 70-80% of the studies showed positive effect, meanwhile total patient effect was probably insignificant at best if patient data was pooled. I didn't even bother to do the math or to look into the individual "studies" once I saw how the data was being presented. Yet 90% of miscers instantly grabbed onto it as truth and absolute reason ivermectin is effective at treating Covid. That same infographic was shared in these forums for days. Again, the vulnerable to misinformation sharing with others vulnerable to misinformation.
You can definitely get a Volvo for yourself with cooled seats. You deserve it. Treat yourself.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646777683]You can definitely get a Volvo for yourself with cooled seats. You deserve it. Treat yourself.[/QUOTE]
You're like my wife in that if I listen to you, I may never save enough to retire lol.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646779023]You're like my wife in that if I listen to you, I may never save enough to retire lol.[/QUOTE]
You two will be happy together, no matter what. ;)
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646775983]France just banned unvaccinated American travelers[/QUOTE]
Wee?
France probably did that because they are not able to contain the level of socialist resistance they are seeing. Don’t need anymore crazy’s going there, it’s been intense. I guess those type of hooligans are everywhere…. People that think they should be able to decide their own medical decisions or caste. SMH
[img]https://i.imgur.com/zeqB9bR.jpg?1[/img]
[url]https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/covid-19-daily-video[/url]
Cliffs, 260,000 cases and 4,400 deaths.
[QUOTE=exrepubusa;1646813753]the us has thousands of people killed daily by the virus because of extremist anti vaxxers[/QUOTE]
Looks like your account, like all of your 7000 bogus accounts, got teh Covid :)
People are becoming crazier and crazier if it's even possible. Antivaxxers saying they hope vaxxed will die and the vaxxed saying the antivaxxers shouldn't get medical care. I'm not even talking about just the misc but mainstream media. It is just insane. I love Jimmy Kimmel but how can he say even jokingly that people who are not vaccinated should die at the side of the road? I don't have TV so I don't really know what's going on but I see little clips and I'm shocked. I thought it was just misc but it's not.
If someone hopes me to die, I would never listen to them. I pretty much block 99% of the misc out for that reason. But do they think they'll get people vaccinated by saying hope they'll die if they don't? Like that's a good stragedy? I want you to do something so I persuade you by saying I hope you die if you don't. Do you think anyone would listen someone like that after that. Like ever? About anything? I wouldn't.
I know people are saying things out of frustration too but I don't think media or people in charge should show that.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1646816303]People are becoming crazier and crazier if it's even possible. Antivaxxers saying they hope vaxxed will die and the vaxxed saying the antivaxxers shouldn't get medical care. I'm not even talking about just the misc but mainstream media. It is just insane. I love Jimmy Kimmel but how can he say even jokingly that people who are not vaccinated should die at the side of the road? I don't have TV so I don't really know what's going on but I see little clips and I'm shocked. I thought it was just misc but it's not.
If someone hopes me to die, I would never listen to them. I pretty much block 99% of the misc out for that reason. But do they think they'll get people vaccinated by saying hope they'll die if they don't? Like that's a good stragedy? I want you to do something so I persuade you by saying I hope you die if you don't. Do you think anyone would listen someone like that after that. Like ever? About anything? I wouldn't.
I know people are saying things out of frustration too but I don't think media or people in charge should show that.[/QUOTE]
I agree it's sad to see the division and hatred.
Rhetorical question
If there is only 1 ICU bed available. A Heart attack patient and an unvaxxed Covid patient show up at the same time buth requiring it ASAP, who gets the bed?
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646816703]I agree it's sad to see the division and hatred.
Rhetorical question
If there is only 1 ICU bed available. A Heart attack patient and an unvaxxed Covid patient show up at the same time buth requiring it ASAP, who gets the bed?[/QUOTE]
First come first served?
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646816703]I agree it's sad to see the division and hatred.
Rhetorical question
If there is only 1 ICU bed available. A Heart attack patient and an unvaxxed Covid patient show up at the same time buth requiring it ASAP, who gets the bed?[/QUOTE]
that wont happen
covid beds are already spoken for, even if empty. would be best to have some ER staff chime in.
the heart attack patient will have to wait for an ICU bed and the covid patient for a covid ICU bed
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1646816793]First come first served?[/QUOTE]
They arrived at the same time... Like the teacher used to write on my exam RTFQ Read The Fukin Question LMAO
[QUOTE=ManwittaPlan;1646817103]that wont happen
covid beds are already spoken for, even if empty. would be best to have some ER staff chime in.
the heart attack patient will have to wait for an ICU bed and the covid patient for a covid ICU bed[/QUOTE]
Of course it probably won't happen, it was a hypothetical... chose one
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646816703]I agree it's sad to see the division and hatred.
Rhetorical question
If there is only 1 ICU bed available. A Heart attack patient and an unvaxxed Covid patient show up at the same time buth requiring it ASAP, who gets the bed?[/QUOTE]
Well I could ask the same rhetorical question what if there's a person needing ICU cos lungs collapsing, should the smoker get it or the one who never smoked?
Or two heart attacks and one person is obese and another one a gym rat? Are we treating the gym rat because he has made better life choices?
I'm all for it.
[QUOTE=mtpockets;1646817123]They arrived at the same time... Like the teacher used to write on my exam RTFQ Read The Fukin Question LMAO[/QUOTE]
Sorry i was distracted arguing with Covidiots in another section, my bad.
Now what is hospital policy?
Therein lies the answer.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1646817613]Well I could ask the same rhetorical question what if there's a person needing ICU cos lungs collapsing, should the smoker get it or the one who never smoked?
Or two heart attacks and one person is obese and another one a gym rat? Are we treating the gym rat because he has made better life choices?
I'm all for it.[/QUOTE]
What if they ask, like they asked me, did you ever take stirooooohids?
I truly would like to know who gets the best service and who is top priority.
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1646817953]Sorry i was distracted arguing with Covidiots in another section, my bad.
Now what is hospital policy?
Therein lies the answer.[/QUOTE]
This was my point. If you call someone an idiot, do you think they'll ever listen to you? I wouldn't.
So my point is what are people trying to accomplish by calling people they are arguing with names, hoping they die etc. Like what's the point?
[QUOTE=exrepubusa;1646818253]you’re a piece of garbage[/QUOTE]
You are loved beyond your ability to comprehend.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1646818203]This was my point. If you call someone an idiot, do you think they'll ever listen to you? I wouldn't.
So my point is what are people trying to accomplish by calling people they are arguing with names, hoping they die etc. Like what's the point?[/QUOTE]
I wasn't calling them idiot for not agreeing with me and my opinion, i was calling them that for the way in which they argue 1 way or the other.
We seem to have 2 tribes and no gray area, and i occupy the middle ground or gray area.
I have read the science , talked to as many people as i could and have ideas and thoughts, but i do not really care what others do because i know my body very very well.
A person could have the best , most compelling argument ever constructed and still a group will shrug and say, eh no bueno.
18 months into this, why bother!?
[QUOTE=Cass40;1646818203]This was my point. If you call someone an idiot, do you think they'll ever listen to you? I wouldn't.
So my point is what are people trying to accomplish by calling people they are arguing with names, hoping they die etc. Like what's the point?[/QUOTE]
Just frustration with the other side. The reality is at this point nobody on either side is going to change their minds regardless of what they see or how they are treated at this point,
[QUOTE=x-trainer ben;1646818793]I wasn't calling them idiot for not agreeing with me and my opinion, i was calling them that for the way in which they argue 1 way or the other.
We seem to have 2 tribes and no gray area, and i occupy the middle ground or gray area.
I have read the science , talked to as many people as i could and have ideas and thoughts, but i do not really care what others do because i know my body very very well.[/QUOTE]
That's why I don't argue with people who are that level. I can't lower myself any lower lol.
Can you imagine Jordan Peterson arguing with someone and the other person is trying to beat Jordan with an argument and you're holding onto your seat just to hear Jordan's rebuttal..thinking now he's going destroy his opponent and Jordan goes "you're and old ugly hag who will die alone". It would be funny though..
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646819053]Just frustration with the other side. The reality is at this point nobody on either side is going to change their minds regardless of what they see or how they are treated at this point,[/QUOTE]
I know it's frustration and I doubt anyone really wants anyone to die etc. but it's not getting better, it's just getting worse to a level that's scary.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/QWvD6j2.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646819053]Just frustration with the other side. The reality is at this point nobody on either side is going to change their minds regardless of what they see or how they are treated at this point,[/QUOTE]
Yup, and at this point with yesterdays numbers(260,00/4,200) i just throw my hands up.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1646819313]I know it's frustration and I doubt anyone really wants anyone to die etc. but it's not getting better, it's just getting worse to a level that's scary.[/QUOTE]
Civil war incoming? Perhaps.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646820003]Civil war incoming? Perhaps.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I guess I'm scared cos my grandmas dad actually had to dig his own grave and they shot him during our civil war a while back.
[QUOTE=mgftp;1646819053]Just frustration with the other side. The reality is at this point nobody on either side is going to change their minds regardless of what they see or how they are treated at this point,[/QUOTE]
It's not mere frustration though, it's provocation, and honestly you are part of the problem.
[QUOTE=Cass40;1646820353]Yeah I guess I'm scared cos my grandmas dad actually had to dig his own grave and they shot him during our civil war a while back.[/QUOTE]
Hopefully cooler heads prevail before all out war but I wouldn't be surprised if we saw more violence over vax. Just look how heated a large group of people are from Biden's recent actions. It's not getting any better :/
[QUOTE=ectoBgone;1646820563]It's not mere frustration though, it's provocation, and honestly you are part of the problem.[/QUOTE]
Me individually? Ha. Well I guess you are judging that on me posting ITT? You aren't wrong. I could be more even in many of my responses and statements but I do like to think in an exchange with another person I am usually the calmer less name-calling of the two parties. I know I certainly was yesterday with whoever that guy was ITT, as he was unhinged before the conversation started. But with that said, yes I could do better, everyone I have seen regularly post ITT could do better, some more than others and on that level we are all part of the problem. I wouldn't say a major one though, in the grand scheme of what is going on in this world.
Any legit thoughts on this?
[QUOTE]
Healthy boys more likely to be hospitalised with Pfizer side-effect than Covid-19: Study
The UK’s advisory body on vaccination recently said there is “considerable uncertainty regarding the magnitude of the potential harms.”
Healthy adolescent boys are more likely to be hospitalised with a rare side-effect after the second dose of Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine than the virus itself, claims a new study. US researchers studied the rate of post-vaccination cardiac myocarditis cases in the 12-15 and 16-17 age groups to analyse the benefits and risk of administering mRNA vaccines among adolescents.
The researchers identified a total of 257 vaccine-related cardiac adverse events (CAEs) following the second dose of the mRNA vaccine. The rate of the CAEs per million among 12-15-year-old boys was 162.2, while it was 94.0 in 16-17-year-old boys. Among girls, the equivalent rates were 13.0 and 13.4 per million respectively.
The study suggests that the rate of CAE was 3.7 to 6.1 times higher among healthy 12-15-year-old boys than their risk of hospitalisation from Covid-19 in 120 days as of August 21. The rate of CAE was 2.6-4.3-fold higher at times of high weekly hospitalization risk, such as during January 2021.
“For boys 16-17 without medical comorbidities, the rate of CAE is currently 2.1 to 3.5 times higher than their 120-day Covid-19 hospitalization risk, and 1.5 to 2.5 times higher at times of high weekly Covid-19 hospitalization,” the study says.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/healthy-boys-more-likely-to-be-hospitalised-with-pfizer-side-effect-than-covid-study-101631353224894.html[/url]
Full study:
[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1[/url]
Not sure if re-post
[QUOTE=gachase21;1646829773]Any legit thoughts on this?
[url]https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/healthy-boys-more-likely-to-be-hospitalised-with-pfizer-side-effect-than-covid-study-101631353224894.html[/url]
Full study:
[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1[/url]
Not sure if re-post[/QUOTE]
That was interesting, I never did think healthy young people should be vaxxed
[QUOTE=gachase21;1646829773]Any legit thoughts on this?
[url]https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/healthy-boys-more-likely-to-be-hospitalised-with-pfizer-side-effect-than-covid-study-101631353224894.html[/url]
Full study:
[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1[/url]
Not sure if re-post[/QUOTE]
Adult adverse reactions are likely being massively suppressed as well. My wife’s mom had a heart attack within a few days of second dose, as did someone I work with. Of course neither were attributed to the vaccine, and perhaps they were just happenstance. 400 deaths attributed to covid in 17 and younger and those were likely all death with rather than from covid (cancer etc). People are brainwashed if they think the vaccine is as safe or effective as indicated by the media etc. 50% of the current cases at my work are in vaccinated people. I personally see very little upside to mandating vaccinations considering the real world efficacy of the currently available vaccines. Of course that is not the message from the loud speaker, so my personal feelings are do whatever you want. I don’t think the country is going survive this blunder of an administration with the direction things are heading.
[QUOTE=JustTheDad;1646542083]If most neutralizing antibodies to a virus ... ....[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the explanation!
[QUOTE=exrepubusa;1646836233]if anti vaxxers have their way, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, polio, chicken pox, etc will all come roaring back, but the stupid pos anti vaxxers will still blame biden like they do for everything else, trump has done immeasurable damage to the us and the world[/QUOTE]
Don't conflate anti-vaxxers with people not wanting a C19 vax. They are not the same.
How many adverse medical reactions are allowable?
In this case 257/2,000,000( 26 girls and 162+94 boys) and news reports show myocarditis resolves relatively quickly with no long term issues. But no I wouldn't want my kid to be 1 of the 257.
Pretty good percentages if you ask me.
1,743,000 did not have a bad reaction
[QUOTE=ManwittaPlan;1646817103]that wont happen
covid beds are already spoken for, even if empty. would be best to have some ER staff chime in.
the heart attack patient will have to wait for an ICU bed and the covid patient for a covid ICU bed[/QUOTE]
This ER Doc said he had to hold on to non covid emergency cases that needed ICU beds and none were available because of covid.
[url]https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1436826925234860034[/url]